tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 15, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT
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died. when the flood came man and beast ended up in the same boat. jeanne moos cnn, new york. >> a sad story when you think about what's happening there. thank you so much for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record the show so you can watch us at any time. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thanks very much for joining us. we have breaking news in the prison escape. new information tonight about the search and a deadly detail of the escape plan one that might land joyce mitchell the prison seem stress known as tilly, in a lot more legal trouble if she had a part in it. word that had she not gotten cold feet about being the get-away driver her husband might not be alive today. randy kay has just confirmed that potential. >> they did indeed have a plan
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to kill lyle mitchell. as you know he is the husband of joyce mitchell the prison steamstress now accused in helping these two men get away from that prison. what's unclear is why they intended to kill lyle mitchell when they intended to kill lyle mitchell and how much joyce mitchell actually knew about that plan. we know she was aware of it but the question is did she know all the details that there was a plan in place to kill her husband? the same source also telling me tonight, anderson that joyce mitchell was having a sexual relationship with richard. he killed and dismembered his neighbor. it's unclear, anderson tonight how long that sexual relationship was going on but all of this new information coming to us tonight as we are learning more about their stunning escape. >> reporter: they could practically taste freedom, but that didn't stop convicted killers david and richard from leaving a series of snarky
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post-it notes for authorities to see. >> the one that says have a nice day on it. i have heard through the investigation that other notes were there, but that's the only note that i've seen. >> reporter: once on the outside wasth plan was for escapees to jump into joyce mitchell's family car. >> we need a four-wheel drive vehicle, and i believe she has a jeep four-wheel drive vehicle. away every what brand and model it is we don't know. >> they would have been using her car? >> she would have been using her car. they would have used her car as the get-away car to leave the area travel at least on this first, you know, portion about seven hours away. >> and she was planning to go with them? >> up until friday afternoon or friday early evening. based on her statements, she was ready to go. >> this is where they were supposed to meet. this power plant is just a few hundred yards away from the manhole where the men emerged from. the power plant smokestack i'm told is visible from the tailor shop at the prison where the two men worked with joyce mitchell.
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the d.a. says that smokestack was likely a marker for their meeting place. the plan from there? drive. >> seven hours from this area. she didn't know whether it was somewhere in new york pennsylvania vermont, canada. >> why would a prison steamstress agree to help these men? a source with knowledge of the investigation says she had a relationship with both of them and richard matt in particular was able to charm joyce mitchell making her feel "special." all in view of her husband lyle who did maintenance in the tailor shop. lyle is also under investigation. he has been questioned about his knowledge of the escape and whether he helped plan it. >> any more clarity on what his role might have been? >> want at all. >> meanwhile, the hunt for the two men continues. authorities now expanding the search zone. blood hounds are still picking up their scent, but it's considerably weaker. >> search teams are resorting to other means, using motion detectors similar to this one.
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they have cameras on them, and they can be attached to any tree here in the woods. when the sensors pick up activity they snap a photo. still, even with nearly 900 tips and more than 800 law enforcement personnel on the lookout, no luck. >> so randy, this idea that she knew about the threat against her husband, i guess there's two options, or at least two that i can think of. one, she was not only aware, but she was in on it and perhaps may have requested it that they tried to kill her husband, or that this was a threat by one or both of these men in order to get her to help them. >> absolutely. we don't know the answer to that yet, and we know the d.a. has a lot more questions. clearly, she was made to feel question by richard. she was interested in possibly going away -- running away with
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these two guys. maybe she was looking out for him. he might have had knowledge of this as well that there was a plot against him. all questions of the d.a. still trying to answer. >> joyce mitchell was back before a judge today. what happened in court? >> she was in court with her new attorney a private attorney. she appeared in the black and white prison garb. she was also wearing some sort of vest. the d.a. referred to it as a safety vest. he waept sure if it was a bulletproof vest but we know she has not been officially indicted yet. she is being held on bond and she may not be back in court for another month as this case gets kicked up to the county which hasn't set a date yet. >> appreciate the breaking news. more on that and joyce mitchell possibly dashening legal picture as well and how inmates crew re-krut people like it. retired criminal psychologist matt logan and former corrects officer matt gangi, host of tier talk a program on corrections
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and law enforcement issues, and senior legal analyst jeffrey tubin. jeff let me start with you. this news of this murder plot against joyce's mitch, if she knew about it. how does this complicate things for her legally? could this bring additional charges against her? >> her legal situation is about as dark as it can get. she has one option which is somehow to help them find these two fugitives. other than that she really is not of any use to the authorities, and they are going to throw the book at her. they may well have an additional charge if she somehow involved in a conspiracy to hurt her husband. simply by helping the escape if it is true she supplied the power tools if she did this she is in such a world of hurt from that that there is no way she can dig herself out. >> anthony, her alleged relationship with both of these guys obviously that's something corrections officers are trained to watch out for to try to you
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know prevent. if she's a civilian in this environment, does that make it all the more difficult? is it a different form of training? >> well the thing is with civilians is that they come in with -- they want to help. that's their prescribed role. it's very important that they do receive the training in regards to how to avoid manipulation because it's a different environment. it's not the environment that you would see out on the streets. correctional officers are trained to obviously look for certain signs that gets you close to that inmate. what kind of conversations are they having? >> corrects officer would even be on the lookout of an inmate being too close to a civilian employee? >> yes. you have to realize something too. we have a big area that we have to walk around. within that big area it could become routine. they have look-outs. while we're on one area over here they're playing their game over here. the thing is the game will start very subtle how we know. she may think it's an innocent question asked by the inmate and it's not rshgs and if it's
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not brought to our attention, we see everything back to normal. even when it comes to religious services we have -- they're allowed to interact with the inmates, but tooz the context to what their conversation is, unless we're there listening to every word and if we were, they wouldn't they would be saying what they're supposed to say. >> the inappropriate relationships that happen you've seen it happen several times. in your experience what are the commonalities? why does it occur? >> the first commonality is the perpetrator. the psychopath is the one we typically see that is able to pull the victim in this case over to the dark side. now, i can refer to her as a victim. obviously she made some bad choices. she may have gotten more involved. it's amazing the charm and the manipulation and the grooming process that goes on with the more psychopathic inmate to be able to pull fairly normal
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looking and seeming people that are employed there over to the dark side and help them become involved sexually and in this case to be able to help them bring instruments of escape into prison. >> go ahead, jeff. >> it's not just psychopathic defendants who do this. i wrote a story for "the new yorker" about baltimore city jail where the black guerrilla family. they were not psychopaths wrrn they were just criminals. they took over the jail, and they were sleeping with the guards all the time. one of the inmates impregnated four different guards in baltimore. it was completely widespread. very well known. these relationships are far more common than most people think. >> with all respect, sir, we're not guards. we're correctional officers. that term is very insulting to us. i do understand with what you are saying. we are not guards. we're correctional officers. having said that most inmates aren't psychopathic or
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sociopathic. it involves the vulnerability of the individual or the -- sometimes we'll put the perfect situation out where manipulation can occur, but have you to look at the vulnerabilities of the target. when i train inmate manipulation where we're doing training in atlantic city we're going to train about situational factors and the person's vulnerabilities. if you need to work corrections, you need to be aware of your own vulnerabilities because the inmates will find it out within a day or two of who you are. >> that's the interesting thing. corrections officers which are law enforcement officers whatever training they have and as much training as they may have, just as they are watching prisoners, prisoners are watching them 24 hours a day, and are probably even more highly motivated to watch every single move that they make. >> the number one rule is you aren't going to know the environment as best as they do. we're there eight hours a day. they're there 24 hours a day. they know more about the system. they know how to play the system to work to their advantage. sometimes the policy and
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procedure becomes so routine, can do because they know our next step. we become predictable. >> those gloves that this woman apparently brought in in october of 2013 you know could that have been one of the early steps in grooming process bringing in something relatively innocuous? some gloves i want to use for boxing, and that's kind of the first step? it starts with something small. >> absolutely. i believe it probably started even before that. the grooming process is incredible and, you know having been a prison psychologist for years, i can't disagree with what these other two gentlemen are saying but you do have to really look for the more psychopathic individual. they have that ability to charm and to manipulate that the normal everyday inmate doesn't, and it's true. there's only maybe 20% of the inmate population that might be psychopathic but in my experience these are the ones that really use that charm and manipulation to bring their
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person over to their side and i think that's relevant in this case. >> another point is that correction officers are often very poorly paid and they are not very well trained. you have to -- it starts with you know very minor requests. oh bring me food. bring me cigarettes. then as you say, the grooming process continues, and that's what leads to situations like this. >> first off, anybody can be manipulated. you ever watch the movie "shaw shank redemption?" they don't p the guys -- you associate with them more than with staff in some cases. my disagreement here is not that we're vulnerable. it has nothing to do with us getting paid less. it has nothing to do with any of that. it has to do with the fact -- first of all, we're professionals, and second thing is we have a job to do and sometimes when people aren't aware of who they are, could be anybody because there have been psychologist that is have been caught up there and people at a higher status administration that have been caught up there.
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>> hold on, sir. >> to single sdmroosh i think there have been attorneys as well. >> attorneys. for you to say -- hold on. it's my opinion. you're belittling a profession that's in the shadows. sir, hold on. what you said it's insulting. you are belittling a profession that's in the shadows. mr. cooper was nice enough to bring us out to for once -- for corrections to be seen in a light because we're not. we're not recognized. when you say something like that for somebody that's been in the shadows for so long we get frustrated. >> i want you to respond, and then we have to go. >> the correction officers in baltimore, which i wrote about, were 18 and 19 years old. they were kids being paid absurdly low wages who came from the same community as the inmates, and they were manipulated. that does happen. that's not an insult to the whole profession. i don't mean that at all. it happens, and i don't think i would describe joyce mitchell
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from what i have seen as a professional anything. >> wropt to get too far off topic on this but i appreciate all your perspectives anthony. great to have you on again. >> thank you. >> matt logan as well. jeff tubin as well. make sure to set your dvr. coming up just more breaking news. new reporting on the intimidation angle. the possibility, possibility, that joyce mitchell was the terrified victim of a horrible threat. that's one of really two options tonight. we'll look at that head. later, she stepped down from her post at the naacp, and her brother speaking out telling us what he thinks are her claiming to be black. 123w50irs you
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. >> breaking news in the prison escape. new reporting in the angle. namely the possibility that the killing of prison steamstress joyce mitchell's husband was a part of their plan. the question is was it also part of her plan as well? or was she a victim? were they using this for some sort of cooperation if it's in fact true? she's been yet to be charged with anything along those lines. what if she was forced? more on that from miguel marquez. what do we know about the possibility that joyce mitchell may have been forced into helping these guys? is that a possibility? >> well, this is -- it is, and this is somebody she has talked
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to investigators about, and an official is telling cnn she may have started to help them, started down the road to befriending them, and this relationship they say, existed and at some point the relationship turned. they use that information against her to say if you don't keep helping us we're going to use it against you. essentially blackmailing her into helping them further and that's where she may have gotten into trouble. cold feet. couldn't move forward anymore. couldn't go backward and also didn't tell authorities which may be the real problem. anderson. >> just to be clear, do authorities believe that joyce mitchell's husband had knowledge of this escape plot? >> well this may also be part of the problem. he worked at the prison remember and they may have been threatening his life as well. it's not clear whether or not he had knowledge of the escape plot or at some point they begin to tell her that his life was at stake if she didn't help them. state officials saying that she had agreed to be their get-away driver but at the last minute got cold feet. couldn't go forward with the
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plan. couldn't back out. literally just stopped. anderson. >> miguel appreciate the update. now a pair of individuals that know the malenkz of tracking down fugitives, whether they had willing accomplices or not. lenny dupaul, the regional fugitive fafk tors for new york and new jersey, and -- covering the washington d.c. area. lenny, you and i were talking before we went on air. there's a lot of focus on the steamstress and what she knew. was she a victim of this plot? was she in on the plot? you brought up the whole idea that perhaps she was just plan b all along. that she was not the main focus, that there was a whole other getaway plan. essentially that's what we're hearing that the trail has gone cold. >> it's essential a possibility. there is that intense manhunt going on. i hope i'm wroj wrong. high pressure they're contained within that perimeter. they certainly -- i know the martial service. they're casting a wider net.
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they let her hear what she wanted to hear, and they knew law enforcement, she would be a target. she had a prior -- authorities are listening to what she's been saying, and she's apparently been cooperating up until now, giving them information. if the information she's been giving them is all sort of a red herring, that would actually be quite a clever thing. >> it's certainly something you can't rule out. i know the investigators, i'm sure that's come up in question in the roundtables at every meeting they're having. you can't just focus. there's an intense manhunt, and there's also a fugitive investigation going on.
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>> as time goes by it looks more and more possible that they either slipped out of the perimeter or did have help. somebody else gave them help. i would like to address anybody directly who may have given them help. i mean we -- you heard the major. law enforcement will not stop until these guys are caught. someone helped them from the point of their skaes escape to the point of their arrest that will come to light. anybody that helped them they could be possibly prosecuted and also possibly held liable for any crimes they did after they escape. go talk to the police right now. i can assure you that the state's attorney is going to look favorably on the fact that you came in voluntary because if not, once we arrest them and everything comes to light, the heavy hand of law is going to come down on you, and you have zero oping at that point to help
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yourself. hem yourself now. >> there is a reward that jovl a huge inducement. >> absolutely. hopefully with all the leads that are coming in any tip that is the task force is receiving, that's huge. the public needs to stay diligent. >> and diligent not just in this area. that's the point both uf gentlemen have been making. ot been opened up. still locked up for -- until the summer arrives up. that's the intense manhunt. the investigation itself has been ongoing since day one.
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as an agency you know the u.s. martials do it best. friends, family who's who in the zoo. >> what? >> who's who in the zoo. it's -- yeah. anyhow -- >> cast of characters that are involved. >> absolutely. >> commander, you know you think about the idea that given all this length of time if these two guys are just given out in the forest i mean, that seems highly unlikely given not only the huge numbers of people looking, but just the conditions that they would have to deal with without having to preposition supplies. the elements the rain that's been up there. the bugs without having bug spray. it sounds like a minor thing, but, you know if anyone has spent time in the forest for days at a time it can be brutal.
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>> they could possibly be hidden away in some honey comb hide-out but i'm sure the new york state police have been thorough with their search up there. as time goes by it does seem to be the lead of the possibility that they either slipped away or maybe even the night of the escape they might have just called somebody else to come pick them up. there was sometime -- there was a time lapse. >> or had somebody else there waiting as you said she was -- >> >> rachel steps down from the naacp from her post but she still has not answered the allegations that prompted her resignation that for years she's lied about her race. saying she's black when her
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>> rachel hatdz resigned of the chapter of the naacp. for days she's been under growing pressure to address allegations by her own parents, among others that, she's lied for years about her race. she says she's black. her parents say she's white. they've released photos of her daughter when she was young, as well as her own birth certificate. in a letter posted on the naacp spokane facebook page she, a long-time civil rights activist wrote "please know i will never stop fighting for human rights. i will do everything in my power whether it means stepping up or stepping down because this is not about me. it's about justice. it's not me quitting. this is a continuum." a lot of people want more answers than the letter provides. she was expected to explain herself today at a meeting which the naacp postponed. our stephanie elam joins me now.
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what else did we hear from her today? >> it's the lengthiest note that we've seen from her since this scandal broke. it's a lengthy letter where she talks about what she's accomplished. she also says she should not be detracting from the work that needs to be at the forefront of what the naacp here in spokane and nationally does. her letter in part said she's waited in deference as others expressed their feelings beliefs, confusion, and even conclusions absent the full story. what she did not do is apologize, nor did she completely explain this whole brouhaha about whether or not she is black or white. there's bun letter -- one sentence of this letter that i do think is very key here. it says "while challenging the vukt of race is at the forefront of evolving human consciousness." i think that may be what the focus of her defense will be when we hear more from her because this goes back to that idea that a lot of people have been putting forth. this idea of being trans-racial
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that one can flow between races as they feel an afint toward them. what some people are saying about that is that it's not up to one person to decide when we are over as americans racine though it is a human construct. >> what is the naacp saying about all this? initially they have come forward. didn't really address whether or not she had lied. they simply said you know that she's done good work. >> yeah. they say they've done good work. they also say you don't have to be black to work within the naacp, and they're standing behind that. the president and ceo of the naacp was on cnn earlier this afternoon and saying that you know she's done good work but at the same time anything that has distracted or detracted from the work that the naacp is doing is something that does hurt and is painful, and anything that would help them get beyond that ie an apology, would be helpful as well. still, overall sounding like they're supportive of dolezal.
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>> it's not just rachel dolezal's parents speaking out. tonight her brother zach who is african-american is sharing his side of the story, adding his voice to the controversy. he sat down with us. zoo. >> reporter: there is zero ambiguity when zach dolezal describes his sister rachel. >> what race is rachel? >> she's white. like german. a little czech. i believe my mom's side. >> zach was born in haiti and adopted by larry and ruthan when he was an infant. he now services oil wells in north dakota. >> you love your parents very much? >> oh, wrau. i would do anything for them. >> this is a photo to rachel's wedding to an african-american man she has since divorced. her parents surround the newly married couple. her little brother zach 16 years younger than rachel is on the lower right. one of four children they adopted. >> when you first heard her describe herself as african-american to somebody else and you heard about it
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what was your feeling? >> confusion all the way around. i mean it's -- it didn't make sense. >> zach says several years ago rachel told him -- >> she didn't consider them her parents and, you know if we were to talk about them they were larry and ruth ann. not mom and dad. >> she told you to refer to them as larry and ruthan? >> yes, larry and ruth ann. and, i mean, i was old enough to know what i was doing, but at the same time it was my older sister, and i hadn't seen her in a while, and i was just there, so i -- water off the duck's back. >> but she told you that you believed because she didn't want people to know that these white people were her parents. >> yes. >> zach attended north idaho college in idaho a couple of years back. he says at the same time his sister was an instrurgtor there. he eventually left to head out
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here to the oilfields of north dakota where hard work leads to very good money. >> zach says his parents taught their children the importance of being respectful. he says he feels his sister rachel, has forgotten part of that lesson. zach says he doesn't know why his sister has been so misleading. he says she could have succeeded anyway because she's smart, creative and talented. he says he misses her being part of his life. >> do you still love rachel? >> oh most definitely. most definitely. no doubt about it. >> what would you like her to do right now? >> come back and be part of our family. >> gary i mean he told you that rachel mentioned to him not to call their parents mom and dad. did she say anything else to him about what he should do? >> yeah zach told me he had a conversation with rachel a little while back that concerned him. he said his sister talked to him about his tendency to wear
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cowboy boots, to wear wrangler jeans and to ride bulls. he likes to ride bulls. he felt the implication of that conversation he felt he was trying -- she was trying to tell him that he acted too white. either way, he still wears the boots, still wears the jeans, still rides the bulls, and he still wants his sister to come back to the family. >> hmm, fascinating. gary appreciate it. just ahead, a care free day at the beach. taking a near deadly turn. two vacationing teenagers attacked by sharks. possibly the same shark along the same stretch of ocean. i'll talk to an off duty paramedic whose quick thinking and skills helped save one of the victim's lives.
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tonight a popular north carolina vacation spot is reeling from two nearly fatal shark attacks. just over 24 hours ago a beach packed with swimmers and sun bathers became a makeshift trauma ward with bystanders and bathing suits scrambling to help the young victims. we've all heard the statistics that tell us shark attacks are extremely rare. they are. that is true. when they happen they are certainly terrifying. tom foreman reports.
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>> reporter: at 4:40 p.m. the first call came in. a 13-year-old girl attacked by a shark while swimming at the popular oak island beach in north carolina. >> left arm is completely missing, and also a bite to the left leg. 13-year-old, weak pulse. >> left arm is completely missing with pulse -- >> that's a bite to the left leg. >> reporter: terrified beach goers tried to help the young victim after she is brought to shore. one onlooker borrows the cell phone from a family member to call 911. the family too distraught to call themselves. >> are any of the fingers completely amputated? >> it looks like her entire hand is gone. >> okay. if you can, just make sure they tail a clean dry cloth and wrap it around the wound and place pressure on it. >> reporter: and the nightmare didn't end there. less than 90 minutes after the first attack another one at the same beach. this victim a 16-year-old boy. >> what is it?
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a shark? >> it bit his arm off. >> he has three people around him that's holding pressure to his arm. >> tell them do not use a tourniquet. listen carefully to make sure we do it right. tell them to make sure they have a clean, dry cloth or towel and place it right on the wound. if you can, tell them to let him rest in the most comfortable position and keep reassuring him that help is on the way soon okay? >> both victims were airlifted to a local hospital. both in critical condition. >> they said the head was about that big, i think the kid said and estimated six to eight foot -- seven to eight. blood in the water coming over with the white wash. kid was in shock. he was still coherent. lost -- took it clean off. >> you saw that? >> right. i saw what was left of what he had. >> this beach is not only a popular swimming spot but also the site of a busy fishing pier.
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that means a lot of bait in the water and a lot of fish to draw sharks in. authorities do believe one shark was responsible for both of these attacks, although they don't yet know what kind it was. both victims are out of surgery. each lost a limb. the 13-year-old lost her arm below the elbow, and also suffered damage to her leg. the 16-year-old lost his arm below the shoulder. >> i've been here 16 years. it's the first time something as major as this has happened. >> it's incredible. tom foreman joins us from the oak island north carolina. if it is the same shark that attacked these two teens, what if anything can authorities do about it? >> really they admit, anderson they don't know. probably not much. i mean this is really one of the prime times in which a shark might attack. right around twilight like this. there's a lot of water out here and actually after these attacks authorities say from helicopters they spotted two sharks about the size of the shark believed
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to be involved in the general vicinity of the attacks. they don't know if they were the sharks. even if they were they're not sure what they could do about them other than try to warn people further away from the water. right now what they're mainly doing is watching to see if there are any more warning signs. anderson. >> in our next hour we're going talk to a shark expert about these kind of attacks, but we should also point out that the quick action of bystanders is being credited with saving both teens' lives. monty was one of those good samaritans. she's a paramedic from charlotte, north carolina. she was is he beach vacationing with her family luckily, and in the moments after the 13-year-old girl was attacked she began giving first-aid using whatever is available. i spoke to monty shortly before air. >> take us through what happened. i understand you were swimming and someone close to you yelled "shark where i "what happened next? >> well they basically -- a lady came running down to where we were and yelled "shark." we were throwing footballs in the water xshgs we all got out, and in the state of north carolina we have a duty to act,
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so as a paramedic. i have to go over to -- i mean i had to but is also wanted to go over to where it happened and i noticed that nobody else was trained or had any ability of helping. i jumped in and just kind of saw what was going on. i saw the injuries, and based on the hemorrhaging that was happening to reduce hype yesvellemia i put two turniquets on her on two different limbs and that stopped the bleeding. to reduce that. continue talking to her, continuing to try to do things. someone provided me with iv materials and i was able to start iv before medic and fire was able to show up. >> that's really critical what you did. most deaths from shark bites occur from people bleeding out before they're able to get help. it's not that the shark actually eats somebody. i know you made one for the leg, one for the arm. what did you make them out of? >> i took strings. i think one from a boogie board
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and one from an actual tent that was sitting right in the area. i just kind of yelled for help and everybody was wonderful on the scene. started grabbing things and helping me out. i just took the strings and tied them as tight as i can based on our training until i had the appropriate tourniquits that the fire department carried it. i used those and then took off my kind of makeshift ones once the proper equipment was used. >> it's incredible. obviously, as you said you have training but have you ever had to jump in when you are off duty and deal with something like this before? >> nothing to this extent. you know you'll see a traffic accident here there. usually it's not a big teal. something like this definitely it's a whole different situation. you know it's -- one thing when i get up in the morning and put on a uniform and i'm ready. i know what i'm getting myself into and this was definitely caught me out of left field. >> i know you don't consider yourself special. i'm sure there are certainly two parents out there who are very thankful to you and consider you to be very special. i'm sure a lot of our viewers as
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well. >> well i mean i appreciate that. i really do. i do have to say that the parents were amazing. they were so strong, and they did such an amazing job for their daughter. they kept calm which kept her calm which is the biggest difference in taking care of a patient. the other is you know there's people all along the way that help save her. first responders nurses doctors, ed's surgeons you know, and i feel like i was just one piece of the whole puzzle that helped save her life. >> i got to ask, just having seen this and having been so close to where a shark was, does it make you fearful of getting back in the water? i mean, obviously you know the statistics and stuff. >> yes. to be very honest my family and i are probably not going to go any farther than ankle deep for the rest of the week. it's probably not going to prevent me for the rest of my life going in the ocean, but since it's just so close, i'll give it a little time before i actually get my knees wet again. >> yeah. well i can understand that. monty, thank you so much for talking to us and thank you for
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your quick response. >> yeah. no problem. i appreciate it and i was grateful that i was able to help. >> well enjoy the rest of your vacation. >> thank you. >> lucky she was there. up next breaking news. word two terror master minds were apparently killed in separate u.s. air strikes. also ahead, bears, big cats even a hippopotamus on the loose after escaping from a flooded zoo.
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breaking news. the u.s. has apparently scored another major victory in the war on terror. yemeni officials say a top leader of laid in the arabian peninsula has died in a suspected u.s. drone attack. this comes after they confirmed another master mind was targeted in libya. it's believed he was behind an attack on a gas facility in algeria back in 2013. you may remember there's 37 hostages that were killed including three americans. jim joins us now from washington with more. the drone strike that killed the number two leader of al qaeda, what do we know about that? >> u.s. intelligence officials telling cnn that the u.s. is still looking to confirm that he was killed so no confirmation yet from the u.s. you have yemeni officials saying that he was killed, and you have many jihady web sites and supporters saying not only that
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he is dead but he has already been replaced. this is significant. he is number one in al qaeda, the arabian peninsula. one of the two chief terror threats to the u.s. in terms of capability. he is number two in the other most threatening group. he is ayman zal away hery's deputy. he was a deputy of bin laden going back to tora bora around 2001. replaceable in name but very difficult to replace in credibility if he is indeed dead. >> the separate air strike in libya over the weekend, the libyan officials are saying that a key tore target was killed. su officials, though they are not confirming that right? >> they are not confirming yet, but u.s. officials are confident in their intelligence. they've been watching this compound for some two months. they believe he was in the compound having a meeting at the time he was killed. they don't have hard evidence he was killed but the u.s. traditionally takes longer to confirm with certainty when you have targets of drone strikes. just one thing i would add, anderson, if you look just in the last several weeks, you have major leaders in isis and syria
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killed. that was abu sayaff in this group in the northern -- formerly al qaeda. he is now in another group. killed in libya. and now the leader of al qaeda and the arabian peninsula killed in yemen. u.s. officials say there is no tie between all those killings, but really remarkable timing and really remarkable victories against three of the principle terror threats against the u.s. >> jim, i appreciate the update. thank you. there is a lot more happening. >> anderson relatives of a 17-year-old british boy say they devastated and heartbroken after isis released photos of him and in one he is smiling in front of an isis flag. they claim the terror group exploited him. here at home jeb bush officially launched his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech in miami. the former florida governor hopes to be the third bush to move into the white house. he faces a tough battle that so far ten other gop contenders. a system in the gulf of mexico
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that could become a tropical storm is taking aim at texas just a couple of weeks after massive flood in the state. killed about 30 people. overseas raging floodwaters destroyed a zoo in the country of georgia setting many of the animals free. now, this includes a hippo, bears, lions, tigers and more. the hippo was eventually subdued by a tranquilizer. other animals were also rounded up but some were killed in the floodwaters or are still missing. at least 12 residents were also killed in the flooding. anderson. >> thank you very much. incredible pictures there. our continuing coverage in the next hour. we're on through the 10:00 hour tonight. more of the breaking news. word that a murderer of prison worker joyce mitchell's husband might have been part of two killer's escape plan. the question did they threaten her with that or tempt her or was it all just a diversion? we'll be right back.
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it's 9:00. do you know where two fugitive killers are? authorities don't right now. it's been a week and a half since they broke out of prison. their trail -- late word that david and richard were planning to kill prison seemstress joyce mitch e's husband when they got out. the big question was it a bonus for her help or was it a threat if she refused to help or a red herring to divert attention from their real get-away plan? a tangled web, no doubt about it. one that we'll try to untangle starting with randi kay's reporting. what do you know about this plot? >> this is new information coming to us from a source with direct knowledge of this investigation. this source telling me that the two escapees richard
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