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president that god ever created. i tell you that. >> we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off today. i'm brianna keilar. you're in "the situation room." >> this is breaking news. an isis-linked plot to explode bombs in the new york city area exposed and we are digging deeper into the just unsealed criminal complaint against a 20-year-old man. he is charged in helping to conspire with isis terrorists. the obama administration confirming that a senior leader with american blood on his hands was killed in a u.s. strike. this is being called the biggest loss to al qaeda since osama bin laden's death. i'll ask adam schiff what he's learning and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by as we cover all of the news that is breaking now. >> first we want to go to our pentagon correspondent barbara star. >> barbara?

>> good evening, brianna. in libya and yemen, places where the u.s. does not have a presence on the ground how are they making it all work? nashwar al hechy taken out by a drone in a swift strike a new success in a series of high-profile attacks against al qaeda and isis. sources tell cnn he wasn't specifically targeted this was more than just luck. >> i think there's no question that the vast majority of the explanation for the targeting range of individuals including al haishi is very very hard work. >> another tough target. mucktar bell mucktar the leader of al qaeda in north africa dropping 500-pound bombs on a compound in eastern libya. the u.s. had looked for him for

years. >> it appears that he got sloppy that he moved in a way that he could be tracked. classified high-tech clear making strikes possible monitoring social media is at an all-time high. drones and satellites are often called in. some now equipped with full-motion video. that's a powerful tool in making that final decision to strike. >> you can watch a compound for hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks. >> reporter: consider the third major strike in recent weeks. the delta force raid into syria that killed abu sayyaf a top isis operative, a woman who escaped from his provided an initial tip and then the u.s. spied on him for months watching and waiting for the right time to strike. now, not every mission succeeds of course. several months ago u.s. special operations forces tried to

rescue american hostages being held by isis in syria and when they got to the site where their intelligence indicated the hostages were they had already been moved. intelligence timely intelligence is what drives all of this brianna? >> so important. barbara starr at the pentagon thank you. a closer look at the man known as al qaeda's crown prince. he was expected to take charge of the terror network built by osama bin laden. jim sciutto joins us live from the national geospashltial in northern virginia. >> reporter: the intelligence agency that analyzes and control controlscontrol controls all of the satellite imagery essential in strikes like this against al wuhayshi says this is a tremendous blow to the organization because whayshi had charisma and the draw to recruit to the organization and they'll be watching now, the u.s.

intelligence community, disruption within the organization that follows this strike. that said aqap like other al qaeda-affiliated groups they are always in these instances have someone follow the other, someone to fill the shoes and we have this deputy quickly moving in to do that but when you look at wuhay sshi and what they are, and the bombs in printer cartridges coming to the u.s. as well as an attack on the u.s. embassy in yemen, these had his marks and you cannot underestimate the effects of the organization to lose someone of this power. >> jim sciutto for us. thank you. >> wuhayshi was the leading light of the al qaeda network. he wasn't even 40 years old, but already he had established a really impressive jihad i track record, and a kind of biography of jihadi achievement.

>> reporter: now they do have his replacement in line and he's been announced, qasm al rimi and he has a formidable reputation as a strong leader but also a brutal one, perhaps, if you can imagine it brianna, more brutal than his predecessor and you have this constant one upmanship. one change not expected with this change in leadership is aqap's rivalry with isis in yemen. they've lost some recruiters and recruits to isis into the jihadi movement and that will be a continuing challenge for aqap going forward. >> those two groups are at each other's throats. jim sciutto, thank you very much for the report. i want to talk with the senior democrat of the committee. thanks so much congressman for being with us. >> you bet. >> i want to talk to you about, of course the death of this aqap leader the number two of

al qaeda and i want to talk about what we are just learning a 20-year-old man charged with planning to detonate an explosive device in new york in the name of isis. what can you tell us about this? >> we are still getting information on this latest domestic plot and unfortunately, we have seen a proliferation of these from the plot in boston from this one in new york to the one in garland, texas. a lot of it is fed by sophisticated isis propaganda and i don't know if that was the case with respect to the new york plot but we're trying to gather all of the facts as we can as quickly as we can and it's imperative in these investigations is to make sure we run the ground whether there are other people involved and whether there is a continuing threat to the public but it just highlights the continual threat and pressure that we face from this homegrown radicalism and the power of social media to communicate that violent message. >> know for u.s. officials you

can't overstate the symbolic importance of getting al wuhayshi and he trained in the '90s and he was in the tora bora caves after 9/11 before fleeing the country, but he warrant the target for this strike. so do you think the u.s. intel gets credit for this? >> i think we do. i think the community does because, look we have a variety of sources of intelligence even in these very harsh impermissible spaces like yemen and it's a combination of human intelligence after we had to remove a lot of our people with the civil war going on there, but we have strong signals intelligence. we have strong overhead intelligence and we put that together to identify people that we believe that are in the leadership of aqap and we may not know all of the time precisely which leaders have gathered but you know statistically if you're going after the top leadership ultimately you're going to get

them as we did here and this is quite a big successful counterterrorism operation because some of these figures are not easily replaceable. it is disruptive toft organization and this was heir apparent to the al zawahiri someone who led the most dangerous franchise of aqap and it's a significant achievement. >> this isn't the only aqap official taken out in recent months. since the beginning of this year there have been a number of them to the point that we understand there are rumors inside of the terrorist organization that there may be spies that have infiltrated. what do you think about that? >> well and this is part of what makes these counterterrorism operations successful is you not only gain insights from them in how you see the organization respond, but it also shows a lot of discord within the terrorist organization as they all begin to look at each other and wonder okay who might be a source of information? but here if you look at aqap they just lost their top leader

they lost their top prop grandist in al awlaki. the one dangerous figure in the successor is al zawahiri the bomb maker who was very much on our priority list as well. a lot of dangerous people coming out of aqap that are really key to the remaining vitality of core al qaeda. >> and al asiri responsible and the mastermind behind that very close to happening underwear bombing in 2000 -- or a few years ago here. i think what we've heard from experts is that knowledge that is so a marker of aqap they expect it even with al asiri that that will remain and how close is the u.s. to taking him out and would it even matter? >> and it does matter. al awlaki who was good at what he did with the propaganda.

he is not easily replaceable and they have stepped into his shoe but they're not necessarily as effective and he may have a printsises but those apprentices may not have been as good as the master bombmaker himself. i think you point out a very important issue and that is this has to be only one piece of a counterterrorism strategy. you can't rely simply on operations to take out leadership. it has to be accompanied by an attack on the ideology on the recruitment, on the financing and really all across the spectrum. >> all right. we have much more to go in this conversation but i've got to get in a quick break, congressman pp congressman. we'll be back with more with the top democrat on the house intel committee.

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democrat on the house intelligence committee, congressman adam schiff and we are talking about a huge new setback for al qaeda. this is the death of a senior leader in the u.s. strike the number two in al qaeda, the leader of aqap perhaps the most active branch of al qaeda. so congressman, we've seen this string of successful strikes in recent weeks in yemen against al

wuhayshi and we've seen this strike in libya recently. these are very important, and it makes people wonder if the intel community, are they doing something different? is there some sort of like code they've cracked in a way on some of this? >> well i think the intelligence community is continuing to improve its capabilities in some of these very difficult spaces like yemen, like libya, and while i can't comment on the precise nature of the counterterrorism operations that may have been undertaken in yemen, i can say that you know i think over time intelligence ends up building on itself so you get information from particular sources that lead you to new sources. you learn information from signals intelligence of a particular communications that helps you build on other communications, and i think the fact is we're getting better at this. we obviously had good information about where abu say sayyaf in syria that enabled us

to capture him. we had pretty good information in libya with respect to someone who had american blood on his hands as well as the blood of many dozens of softages es agehostages and with respect to the top leadership with aqap we've been successful in going after them as well. we're good at it and we're getting better at it and this has to be just one piece of a broader, counterterrorism strategy. >> there is the big guy, the leader of al qaeda, aim an al zawahiri. what is the prospect of a lot of terror leaders are worrisome, or sort of wary of being caught? they may be being careful? >> well his time will come. we strnt forgotten about zawahiri. he was the number two to bin laden and was a very direct actor in the deaths of scores of americans. so we will take as long as is necessary, and we will turn over

every rock and go to every expense and every effort to track him down so i'm confident his time is coming and i'm not able to say more than that. >> before i let you go i do want to talk about russia because vladimir putin is saying he's switching out switching out nuclear weapons for 40 new nuclear warheads that can stop anti -- anti-missile defense which is obviously a big warning to the u.s. and he's talking about putting some weapons near the border there with russia. is this a fight between the u.s. and russia or is this a fight between the u.s. and putin? >> well i think this is really a fight between the international community and -- and russia and putin. this is a -- an authoritarian ruler who has invaded his neighbor who has annexed territory of his neighbor and

now who has resorted to throwing nuclear threats on the table in a way that is -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt you, congressman. i want to clarify my question. i guess my question is do you see this as being personality-driven by putin? do you think that russians en masse are backing him on this or do you think this is just -- this is just putin? >> honestly i think it's a combination of both. it's certainly driven by putin and his personality and his paranoia many would say, but he enjoys a very high degree of popularity among the russian people. the arguments that putin makes that russia has been belittled, it's been stabbed in the back that russia has to go protect other ethnic russians in other parts of the world, that russia is encircled by its enemies and all of these arguments appeal to russian sentiments and they have made his policies very popular. i think that, you know that popularity is thin in the sense that it will only take him so far, and if the economy continues to degrade, i think his popularity will degrade with

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the former local naacp leader who resigned over the uproar over her race is speaking out for the first time. rachel dolezal has been at the center of a racially charged controversy since it was revealed her parents are white although she portrays herself as black. just listen to what she told matt lauer on nbc's "today" show. >> are you an african-american woman? >> i identify as black. >> you identify as black. let me put a picture up of you in your early 20s, though and when you see this picture is this an african-american woman or is that a caucasian woman? >> that's not in my early 20s. >> that's a little younger, i guess. >> yes. 16 in that picture. >> is she a caucasian woman or

an african-american woman. >> i would say visually she would be white by people who see her. >> cnn correspondent suzanne malveaux is following this controversy. give us the reaction. >> it's kind of all over the place. people are outraged and fascinated. this is not going to go away. she's rather calm cool and unapologetic in her interview with matt lauer embracing her identity from black and it is a far cry from what we saw from that deer in the headlights ss look that the civil rights activist displayed in a gotcha moment with the local reporter. she began identifying as black as early as 5 years old, drawing herself, she says with a brown crayon instead of a peach crayon with black, curly hair. and she goes on to say that she tans and specializes in black hairstyling, but she categorically rejects this accusation that is made by one of her adopted black siblings as

critics, as well that she is in black face. >> i have a huge issue with black face. this is not some free birth of a nation mockery black face performance. this is on a very real connected level, how i've actually go there with the experience. >> and her estranged white parents lawrence and ruthann were on cnn today and they are rather frustrated with her and they say they hope she comes to truth with the truth, the reality and apologize to everybody who she's lied to and that there is an identity issue, but there is also this credibility issue, as well. so they dismissed many of her claims as untrue including living in a teepee going to africa with them and hunting with bows and arrows. things that she has allegedly said in the past. she's saying they're trying to discredit the good civil rights work she's done and she failed to correct article that refer to

her as biracial or black because her situation is more complex. >> there are probably a couple of interviews that i would do a little differently if circumstances, in retrospect i knew what i know now, but overall, you know my life has been one of survival and the decisions that i have made along the way including my identification have been to survive, and to you know carry forward in my journey and life continuum. and her journey includes marrying and divorcing an african-american man with whom she had a son and taking custody of one of her adopted black brothers isaiah whom she now considers her own. she has always brianna, sparked this conversation about racial identity and that is a part of her journey and a part of her history now. >> suzanne, great report. thank you. fascinating and i want to dig

deeper now with psychologist jeff gardere and community activist john haskin and you heard rachel dolezal say her life has been one of survival. you're a psychologist and you heard what she said today and it gave us more information to work on. what was your take on this? >> ding ding ding ding! about survival? that really went off for me as a psychologist because it tells me well look maybe this identification with being african-american which, by the way, i don't think is abnormal in any way. it's not so atypical believe it or not, but it does tell me is this a healthy transition which it can be or is there something else going on when you're talking about survival. is this a coping or defense mechanism and as we see the struggle with the parents, with family members, it tells me there were some things that has happened that may have happened

in her childhood that may have pushed her towards this identification. it's very interesting. she says i identify as a black woman. she says that to matt lauer. that's healthy, but when you are checking off boxes that say biologically you're black or part black and you're not, then now you go from a reality of your mind to now a lie and that's where the slippery slope begins. >> sunny, we heard rachel dolezal explain why she considers herself to be black. let's listen. >> i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it -- what it means to experience and live black -- blackness. >> what's your reaction to that? she's gone there? >> i find it shocking especially because she connotes being the mother of black boys to being a

black woman. i mean my mother is puerto rican and white. she certainly isn't a black woman. she doesn't identify as a black woman, but she raised me who is a black woman. heidi klum is not saying she's black because she has black children. i am surprised that she is claiming that at this point, and i think what we're also talking about is you know, a lack of authenticity because we know that she sued howard university for discrimination because she felt that she was being discriminated against as a white woman. this wasn't too long ago, and so now the suggestion somehow that she has always identified as being a black person just rings disingenuously to me because it seems it is more opportunistic and she got the scholarship to howard university but then she also got a position as the president of the naacp. she's also a professor of

africana studies. so that tells me that she is black when it is a good opportunity for her, but white when it isn't, and so i think what we're seeing is a lack of authenticity and quite frankly, just someone that is lying. >> john gaskin if she had been honest and i know that's a large chunk of this, but let's put that to the side and she's obviously told a lot of lies and as you see in the introduce continues to is there a constructive conversation to have about the racial identity and to have about the idea of being transracial. >> i want to make it clear just because rachel happens to be caucasian doesn't mean she can't be an effective leader in the civil rights community. you look at someone like walter white in the naacp who was not african-american but was a very influential civil rights leader especially in the naacp. her track record in terms of

civil rights advocacy is quite commendable, but you are looking at an issue of someone who was not honest and you're looking at an issue of someone who was essentially unethical, but brianna, this does open up the question of racial identity but it also does open the question when you identify with a particular race you have to identify that and take on the good and the bad and the pros and the cons. as sunny mentioned, you cannot be a part of the race and only participate in that race when it is convenient for you whether that means scholarship dollars, whether that means taking a position in a corporation or taking a position in the private or public sector. you have to be willing to be honest and take on the good and the bad, whichever racial identity you're identifying with of course. >> really quick, sunny. should she have said she was sorry? >> i think so. i think it would have gone a long way at least for many

people including myself had she said you know i have lied about my race my ethnicity. i am a caucasian woman, but i identify at this point in time as black, and i am sorry if you know my lies have somehow impacted negatively the people that have genuinely struggled with being black in america. had i heard something like that i think that would have been very different for me, but having heard what amounted to me to just more lies and more clever sort of skirting around the real issues i -- i'm disappointed in what i've heard from her. >> all right, sunny, john jeff thanks so much to all of you. i suspect we may continue to talk about this in the coming days. i appreciate you being with us. just ahead, a live update on the search for the two escaped murderers and new details on the prison employee accused of

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escaped from a new york prison 11 days ago is expanding because officials say at this point they're redeploying more than 800 law enforcement officers hunting for richard matt and david sweat, and we are learning new details about the female prison employee accused of helping them break out. cnn national correspondent pablo sandoval is in west platsburg, new york for us. what is the latest you're picking up there? >> reporter: yeah brianna, this really shifted tactics in this redeployment coming because there is not a whole lot of physical evidence in the search area in new york that's one headline. the other surfacing on the one person behind bars right now. joyce mitchell got an unexpected visit to her jail cell today. joyce mitchell's first jailhouse visitor today, her husband lyle. the two spent an hour speaking over a phone separated by a glass wall. the clinton county sheriff describing mitchell as being, quote, comforted by her

husband's support. >> as of late yesterday she was pretty distraught. all i know is that he said that he's standing by her. so that's what he told me when i spoke to him. >> the visit comes as authorities investigate joyce mitchell's husband, as well. they still can't say for sure if he played a role in the plot to help them escape last week. the two convicted killers planned to kill mitchell after last week's escape. sources also tlsz joyce mitchell had relationships with matt and sweat and that the relationship with at least one of them was sexual sexual. the trail for the escaped killers is getting colder by the day. >> as of right now there's not an awful lot of new information. there hasn't been an awful lot of physical information indicating whether they're here or whether they're outside the area. >> despite the efforts of more than 800 officers and hundreds of potential leads, no solid break in the case. an extended family member of richard matt spoke for the first time to cnn over the phone, but

wanted to remain anonymous telling us the family had contact with matt before the prison break, quote, he was doing good in honor block, but please turn himself in and do the right thing. we don't want anyone to get hurt. >> reporter: and at this hour we know that joyce mitchell has now been relocated to a jail near albany. the local sheriffs are saying that keeping her in custody here is even more of a distraction given the sheer attention of this case brianna. we are told she'll be transferred to and from clinton county for any of her future court appearances. polo sandoval reporting for us from platsburg, new york. atf special agent in charge matt horace and we have cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and retired chief deputy u.s. marshal matthew fog. matthew, you have mitchell. she's got a new attorney who says she is quote, distraught and, quote, probably shocked to

be in the limelight. i mean this is a woman who as we know now might have been plotting to kill her husband with the prison escapees. do you buy what her attorney says? >> i don't understand why she would be shocked other than the fact she tried to help two guys get out of prison. so if anything she's shocked about the fact that she's being charged, but when it comes to what they're saying about trying to kill her husband and all of that he's there to visit her today. so what do we get out of that? >> what do we get out of that tom? he visits today. he now has a lawyer. initially the d.a. thought that he might have been involved and now it turns out that there was a plot to kill him. so where does that leave him? >> we don't know if any of that stuff's true. just because she said -- everything that has gone on in this case all of the source information. >> she could be lying. >> it's from her. >> for all we know the husband was bringing her a hacksaw for her to break out. no but you know the idea that he was going to be murdered by her, we don't know that.

or by them i should say, we don't know that for sure. we don't know if any of the things she said so far are true other than she admitted to bringing a hacksaw and drill bits and some of that. we know it wasn't enough to do the sawing and cutting they needed done to get through the thick walls inside and they've had other people they were in contact with other people they were calling by phone. so even if she's being completely honest we still don't know if that was actually true or whether they were lying to her in the first place. >> day 11 in this man hunt. at what point do you start pulling resources? it seems like they'll start moving some of these 800 officers who were there and this is costing a $1 million a day. >> i think what you're seeing is a redeployment of resources because we're at day 11. the first 24 to 48 hours are the most critical time in an investigation like this and we were behind by 12 hours. so if anything and everything that she is saying is untrue we were still behind.

i think you're going to see the investigation expand. you're going to see the leads followed and you'll see an increased emphasis in other areas and hopefully law enforcement will come up with some answers. >> matt tom, matthew, always great to have a conversation with you and the story continues. we'll be talking more. thanks guys. just ahead, donald trump joins the race for the white house and comes out swinging with a speech that really only he could make. >> how stupid are our leaders? how stupid are they? our president doesn't have a clue.

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heading to iowa after one of the most unusual most rambling and politically presidential campaign launches in memory and now that he's officially in the republican race there is no telling with the billionaire mogul and reality tv star will do or say next. joe johns is here with more on trump's announcement. >> this was just about as raw and unfiltered as it gets for the modern american presidential candidate. donald trump says what is on his mind and did not let the scrip for his kick off speech get in the way today. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created, i tell you that. >> the billionaire businessman donald trump made it official never shy or modest about why he is running. >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using lobbyist or donors i don't care. i'm really rich. >> by any standard an unusual

kick off speech. >> when did we beat japan at anything? >> omitting the critical words except for world war ii. trump was clear on who he sees as bad and good starting with the current occupant of the white house. >> our president doesn't have a clue. he's a bad negotiator. >> trump slayed from remarks roofing from top pick to top pick. >> free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people but we have people that the are stupid. i would build a great wall and nobody builds walls better than me believe me. nobody would be tougher on isis than donald trump. >> he missionnced no words about fellow republicans. >> you look at bush. it took him five days to answer the question on iraq. he couldn't answer the question. i said is he intelligent. i looked at rubio, is iraq good or bad? he didn't know. he couldn't answer the question.

how are these people going to lead us? >> classic donald trump embarking on perhaps the biggest selling job ever, heading to the early voting states he goes to iowa tonight where 57% of republican responresponding they would never vote for him. >> that's a lot of people saying they won't vote for him there. joe johns, thanks for the report donald trump will be the guest sunday at 9:00. i want to bring in gloria borger and dana bash and cnn national political reporter mabe rustin. let's listen to more of what trump said today. >> i know the best negotiators in the world and i would put one for each country, we'll do very very well. very very well.

>> okay. that's foreign policy this was like a jump ball. react, okay? do you think? >> i mean that was just -- >> you have the floor. >> i mean. >> i don't know where to start with that but it's so interesting because it showed a lot of what voters like about donald trump, the one whose actually like donald trump, he's blunt and plain spoken and no idea what direction he'll go in. obviously has huge hurdles in new hampshire and iowa even if he is in the middle of the pact now, there are so many people that dislike him and think he's only doing this for attention. >> on that note i've been texting with a lot of sources and a lot of the republican presidential campaigns, and the overwhelming feeling is number one, the this was not an accident. that he did this today to try to blunt what they say in the business as earn media for jeb bush and what that means is you know basically the bump any candidate gets after they give a big announcement. he did to this try to distract

from that. clearly, jeb bush was his main target in this and probably will be in the future and the other question is going to be is he going to be on the debate stage? the answer according to republican strategist i talked to probably. the criteria are what they are. as somebody said there is no as strict that says everybody can be on unless you're a reality tv star. >> that's right, you have to get in the top ten. what does that look like gloria? >> first of all, this isn't good for the republican party and everybody in every campaign knows whether they like it or not, if he gets on that stage, he's going to affect the top tier candidates and how they are regarded. this is you know you're judged by the come pankomcomepany you keep. they wanted to get rid of the clown car last time and now they got donald trump here because of name recognition, not favor favorability ratings could wind

up on that stage. he's his own reality tv show. this is show biz. it's not serious politics they know that but have to figure how to deal with him because in the end, donald trump could affect how they are regarded and that's important. >> are republicans really worried about him? those things gloria mentioned, are they afraid of that coming to be? >> i think that they are afraid of exactly what gloria was talking about which is the clown car effect. he's going to drive rubio, jeb, others to talk about things they don't want to talk about and he's going to distract from what they were hoping was going to be a more ordinarily process this time that would leave their, you know their nominee less damaged than romney was. >> exactly, not just that not just the clown car but substance of what he's saying. the republican party in general is trying to get away from the barack obama wasn't born here.

he's the guy who stoked that for so long. >> sure. >> and pretty stark terms. that's another problem talking to republicans. >> a huge headache in 2012. >> gloria to that point, the birth certificate where he was demanding that those things he's going to be asked about that. what -- >> sure. >> what is he going to say other than maybe what we would expect is to come off as dismissive. >> he'll be a trump and dismissive. he can't dismisif other republicans attack him on experience and on his bravado but jeb bush knows better than candidates out there that third party sort of unaffiliated out there candidates can affect main stream. ross affected hiss father. you don't have to tell al gore about ralph nader and i'm not putting him in that category but

he'll have an impact on the feeling and texture of the race because don't forget he can sell fund. if he's worth $9 billion, and we don't know he is, he can certainly chip in and fund his own campaign for awhile. >> i want to talk about a poll conducted between june 11th and june 15th that shows hillary clinton is leading bernie sanders by ten points that's 41-31. is that surprising to you guys? and should we take it to the bank? some of these polls miss the mark. >> of course the polls miss the mark often. the reason i think this might be a little bit of a rut-row moment he seems to be rather successfully getting the, anybody but hilary voters on the left. elizabeth warren voters. >> hearing ging him for the first time is different, bernie has room to grow and everybody knows

donald. >> when people in new hampshire hear him speak, are they liking? is he impressing? >> absolutely. >> he's impressing them for than hillary clinton? >> this is what we're getting but great. it's the anybody but hilary democratic voter. >> the problem for hillary clinton regarding bernie sanders is he's the most relatable guy you ever want to meet. once you're in a room with him, you know him and he embraces you and he's fun, and he also knows how to get under people's skin and in a debate with hillary clinton, i talked to a democrat whose close to him, he said you know watch bernie sanders get under hillary clinton's skin. he relates to her room and he'll be able to figure out what to do to get her going. >> all right. we will -- you think he's going to get under her skin? >> i mean sure if he keeps going up on the numbers, absolutely. already there. [ laughter ] >> that's what they are calling

him, bernie mentum. >> thank you, appreciate it. thank you for watching. i'm breanna keeler. erin "outfront" starts now. "outfront" next breaking news for the man haunt for the two convicted killers. we're learning more about joyce mitchell's relationship with the prisoners, was she in on the plan or a victim? plus donald trump running for president. why he could be jeb bush's biggest nightmare. we'll go live to trump on the stump in iowa tonight. and a young mother of two, flesh eating bacteria taking over her body. doctors tonight do not know how she got infected. her husband is my guest. let's go "outfront".." good evening. i'm erin burnett.