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t's what they are calling him, bernie mentum. >> thank you, appreciate it. thank you for watching. i'm breanna keeler. erin "outfront" starts now. "outfront" next breaking news for the man haunt for the two convicted killers. we're learning more about joyce mitchell's relationship with the prisoners, was she in on the plan or a victim? plus donald trump running for president. why he could be jeb bush's biggest nightmare. we'll go live to trump on the stump in iowa tonight. and a young mother of two, flesh eating bacteria taking over her body. doctors tonight do not know how she got infected. her husband is my guest. let's go "outfront".." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" hundreds of officers
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on the move now combing a new area near the prison where the two convicted killers escaped. police announcing this massive shift just moments ago. here is what is happening. authorities are redeploying searchers that shut down the main road in the area warning residents that heavily-armed officers will be in and around their homes. right now we know there are about 800 officers following up on 1200 leads. also tonight, joyce mitchell the disgraced prison worker accused of helping the inmates escaped sees her husband for the first time since her arrest. his visit behind bars comes as we're learning new and disturbing details about mitchell's intimate relationship with the fugitives. jason carroll is "outfront" live and jason, what are you learning tonight? >> well erin we're learning more about why joyce mitchell may have agreed to believe the get away driver. she may have had this inappropriate relationship with two men and may have been part
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of the escape plan but may not have been the only one. despite the manpower despite more than 1,000 leads, still no sign of richard matt and david sweat. their trail at least for now, has gone cold. >> i've gone over the charges with ms. mitchell. >> reporter: the woman investigators say aided the two in the daring escape behind bars and feeling the weight of what happened. this according to her attorney. >> she's distraught. she's weeping and upset. >> reporter: joyce mitchell's only visitor today, her husband lisle that went to see her today t. that visit lasted about an hour. there was no physical contact between the two. they spoke over the phone and they were separated by a glass partition. >> all i know is that he said he's standing by her, so that's what he told me when i spoke to him. >> reporter: joyce mitchell's role in the escape becoming for clear. investigators say she may have agreed to be the duo's get away
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driver after matt and/or sweat threatened her and her husband. law enforce the looking at loyal mitchell with he may have known something about the escape plan. the mitchell's daughter-in-law that defended joyce mitchell told cnn by phone today, i have nothing to say about my mother-in-law's arrest and paige mitchell said she would not comment on allegations her father in law is under investigation. one alleged accomplice facing charges, the investigation may turn up more. >> i can't conceive how these two people could put together such an elaborate escape route and have the understandings and thoroughly follow through with the mechanics of this elaborate escape without having multiple people involved. >> reporter: joyce mitchell is going to be moved from the facility where she's being kept in this area to one further south near albany. for that manhunt, tomorrow searchers will redeploy their efforts near the prison but again, as for now, the trail
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seems to have gone somewhat cold. erin? >> jason carroll, thank you very much live where that hunt is going on tonight. "outfront" now, my guests. all right. joe, moments ago, i want to start with the breaking news on the search police announcing that hundreds of officers are moving to a new area still around the prison but looking in a new area. could this be a breakthrough or is this just a sign that they are at a complete loss? >> it could mean they might have found something that could have been long gone now. you know so they aren't going to take chances. they are going to comb the area and do the crime scene search and make sure they can find anything. >> right now, the only person jim, they have been talking to that knows anything is joyce mitchell. look there could be other people involved. she obviously doesn't seem to know where they are but every bit of information we get about her and them is crucial, and now we're learning she had a sexual relationship with both men.
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do you think this was part of their plan they knew about the other? >> it could be. there are two teams working the case tactical search teams and investigative teams. what the investigative teams are doing is leaving no stone urn turn -- unturned the that matt or sweat had. any communication they might have had with them i guarantee mitchell was not the only person that matt and sweat were trying to manipulate and explode to get ma for yells or communication out. >> which would mean they didn't have a lot of trust in her if they tried multiple people. >> nobody has complete trust in the prison they are trying to con. i think this is really like a layer cake or a three-dimensional tic tac toe board. we have to know if she's telling truth or lying to help them whether or not they told her lies thinking well if she's ever caught, this is what we would like them to think we are
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doing, and whether they just told her the truth and that, you know, this is why they are having a hard time finding her is because of the layers of deceit. >> the clinton county sheriff actually on this point said he thinks using mitchell as the get away driver was not the plan a. he thinks it was the plan b and they are actually going ahead presumably with plan a while the world is down the joyce mitchell plan b wrong track. could it be? >> yeah i believe we talked about this last night. these guys set a lot of things up and a lot of wheels in motion and wanted the cops to go on a different direction to make their escape and go undetected. >> i mean which would be incredible and show a lot of planning more than possibly people gave them credit for. casey, officials are saying mitchell may have been forced they threatened to kill her husband and that's how they got her to help them. doesn't explain why she told police or she being the one in jail she would be the one intimidated but yet, that's possible, isn't it? >> i think the fact she made
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that statement is possible. i mean she didn't make that statement until she got charged and got a lawyer. now suddenly she has a theory she was co-horsed. that's good lawyering. there are procedures and protocols in place for every prison worker they are well-trained in regard. what happens if an inmate threatens you co-horsed you. the inmates are in prison. you have nothing to lose by going to the warden saying this happened or is happening and that's what you're supposed to do. >> so you don't buy that? >> no. >> her husband, lisle, visited his wife lease lawyer today. abc news caught it on tape. we'll show you how that confrontation went down. the lawyer says lisle is standing by his wife. now i'm curious as to your view as a profiler why he would be doing that especially given that we don't get no whether she was in on a plot to kill him or
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not. >> well we don't know what the relationship is like. we don't know how much of this you know denial on his part, and, you know we really don't know what is going on with her. itself report with her. they will be trying to verify this. >> joe, you think these, i mean these men could possibly be psychopaths, right? >> sure look at the crimes they have done yeah. >> so could they have killed each other by this point? i'm sort of curious about the dynamics between these guys on the run right now? >> no they need each other more than not. they need to stick, listen if i was them i would be splitting up too, at this point to make it more difficult to find me and if they find one guy, they won't get the other. they need to figure out if they are on the run in regards to in that area, food water the basics to try to get out from underneath what the cops are doing. >> when you hear the search area is shifting at this hour hundreds of police moving to the a new area by the prison what
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is your interpretation of that? they have a clue or that's a sign they don't know anything and they are just trying something new, why not throw a dart at the board. >> no that means they have cleared the areas they looked at and shifting resources to move to secondariry airy ryareas. >> casey, do you think they will make a mistake? >> yes, i agree they should flight up but phycologically they need to feed each other and this could not have happened one of them couldn't pull it off but together they made it happen. i think they are together and i think they will get caught. >> next the new york city governor says the killers could be in mexico and others say they are in a major city boston or new york city. the number two man taken out by an american drone. how dangerous is his deputy taking over? plus donald trump is live right now in iowa. he says he's running and he's fairly confident, fairly, but he can do the job.
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breaking news in the manhunt for two escaped prisoners. police are on the move moving to a new search area but after 11 days on the run, do police really have any idea where richard matt and sweat are? the answer is probably now. pablo sandoval is covering the manhunt and he's up front. >> reporter: the early search for richard matt and david sweat focussing on the immediate area 250 officers covering the prison and the manhunt shifted.
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in police guarded the terminals for the ferries that cross to vermont. the two could have found easy passage, another possibility, canada just 20 miles north of the prison but a former fbi agent says the killers would not try to drive past boarder check points and going on foot is even harder. >> those woods are very thick, it's kind of a hash environment, cold at night, they are instantly setting themselves up for fall. >> reporter: searchers are scouring parts in upstate new york, it's a 6 million acre wilderness filled with hundreds of cabins, many abandoned the offseason. the pair could be hold up in one of them or warn they could invade a home and take hostages. >> that's a big chance to go in and do that even if you leave, now you've set a footprint for the police to latch on to. >> reporter: at least one escape plan called for joyce mitchell to supply a get away car. shes matt and
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sweat kept their destination vague. >> seven hours away, no specified location. >> reporter: an average 60 miles per hour they could get for than 400 miles away putting boston new york and philadelphia within reach, maybe the easiest place to disappear. >> small townspeople are aware who is around them and what other people are doing. once you get into a larger city people just stop paying attention. >> reporter: now even new york's governor has to admit the trail has gone cold. >> we don't know if they are still in the immediate area or if they are in mexico by now. >> reporter: and mexico about 2,000 miles away could be a real possibility. in 1997 matt brutally murdered a man near buffalo new york and back then fled to mexico and killed another man before being captured. now time may be on the killer's killer's side.
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>> you can't sustain this manhunt for too long. it's a vacuum of all of the resources. >> reporter: tonight this shift in resources means these hundreds of officers will be focussing their attention on an area closer to the clinton correctional facility seven miles from where we are tonight. as for this increase in police patrols, they don't expect those to go away any time soon erin. >> thank you very much. live tonight and out front now, the former inspector for the u.s. marshal service, craig cane and a member of the regional fugueitive task force. good to have both of you with us. craig, you think they have not just a plan a, b, c, d, e and f and this could have been a big conspiracy? >> yes, i do believe when these guys are finally captured they will find out there was a big conspiracy and that money had been funneled to these guys to make their escape, and they are
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going to know that prison workers, staff members, or family members, they are going to start unpeeling the layers okay and as they unpeel, unravel every layer, a knows b who knows c who knows d, they will find a common thread at some point and that common thread is going to the lead them to the person that will break that case and give law enforcement the tip they need. >> and right now that's obviously not joyce mitchell at this point. >> no but it does take a lot of time perseverance and methodical police work. >> you think they could be hiding in plain sight. when you say that what do you mean? >> a couple of scenarios could be if all those plans, you know went to pot they could literally be where do you hide a needle? the hay stake. they could very well be in a homeless shelter, if they have no avenue to escape think about
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this they don't ask for ids in a homeless shelter. shave your beard, shave your head butt on a ball cap and nice and warm and cozy. >> change your appearance. >> expect them not to look like they look here. >> which is interesting. i like the that. hide a need until a box of needles. craig, what about as polo was reporting, the different, if they had a car or walking, right? if they were walking with the lead time they had even if they got only 19 20 miles, that's the canadian boarder. they could be there tonight? >> absolutely. i'm not a big fan of the canadian boarder but a human being could walk three miles, three miles per hour okay? that's a normal human being. that's on concrete pavement pretty well fit. okay? cut that in half with wooded terrain. they still between the time they busted out of the jail and the time they found them from the point of origin they could be 20 or so miles. by the time they set up a perimeter and by the time they started putting the dogs out and
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getting the game plan and quadrants set up to search they could have been another 15 miles, okay? that being said they could have very well made it over canadian boarder north, hang a left out into the wilderness of canada. but like i said earlier, i believe they were being helped but there is also the possibility like my partner here said they could be and nobody knows. that's the million dollar question. >> nobody knows. >> time is their friend in this. >> right, because you can't have 800 people looking. you have to scale it back. >> once this goes away they don't need to run away, they just need to walk away. >> they need to walk away and you're saying it's possible they could have hostages now. >> right, i mean they should be checking in the circles who is not reporting into work for the last seven or eight business days because if they can't find an empty place, summer or winter home you know they could be in
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there holding them, sending one out while holding the other bringing in food and money. >> and get them everything they needed. >> craig, in terms of joyce mitchell you've described her as excess baggage. >> that's what i said. two is company, three is a crowd. they were playing her, okay? i believe that the best thing that she did was get cold feet if that's true. like i said she would have been found on the side of a highway at some point. as for the part -- >> they would have killed her. >> they would eliminate her because the human brain right now, they are focussing on two guys okay? and that's what most people are concentrating on. >> yeah. >> when you have now, the word gets out there is a blonde haired woman with them and driving along the interstate trying to be unnoticeable the eyes focus on the blonde hair
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girl and maybe make a connection. i think she would be dangerous for them to have with. unless she was supplying them money. >> right. >> and contacts out of state or what have you. >> yeah. >> she was gone. >> all right. so you're saying they could be nearby and in a homeless shelter and could be in can canada or midwest. they could be anymore. >> you found a fugitive 40 years after he escaped. could they pull that off? >> this gentleman in 1950 escaped from a virginia road gang cut the ball and chain off like a movie and ran through the swamps and never heard from again. he you know made himself up to come to new york he co-mingled with everybody in brooklyn.
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nobody knew he existed. >> the crowd. >> made a mistake by registering a vehicle of 40 years in his own name and through some police work the that we've done and some of our little secrets that we don't give out over the air, we were able to find this guy. >> find him. >> these two were smart mental morans. they will get caught eventually. >> smart mental morans. interesting description. thanks so much to both of you and "outfront" next donald trump live in iowa. this is his first afternoon as a presidential candidate. here is the thing, he might actually be a major spoiler in the gop race. >> i'm not using lobbyist and donors i don't care. i'm really rich. >> and a young mom, two small kids perfectly healthy one day, the next inflected by flesh-eating bacteria. she's fighting for her life tonight. her story incredible and i'll
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talk to her husband
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p's first campaign rally, the newest republican presidential candidate will be taking the stage any second n. iowa he's on the trail. trump threatened before. joe johns is with me "outfront" and joe, a lot of people did knot think trump would actually do it. he has often flirted with this idea but never actually done it but this time it was serious. >> right, a lot of people were very concerned this was all a roos. this is the first time he made it official and with a raw, unfiltered speech that jumped off script repeatedly. the donald is in, delivering a jolt to the already crowded 2016 presidential race. >> i will be the greatest jobs president god created.
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>> donald trump kicking off in new york by to thing wealth as a selling point. >> i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using bobbylobbiest or donors. i'm really rich. >> and foreign policy. >> nobody would be tougher on isis than donald trump. i'll bring back our jobs from china, from mexico from japan, from so many places i'll bring back our jobs and i'll bring back our money. >> he's long been a favorite target of late-night tv for behaving exactly the way he did today. >> of course most of you know who i am already, because i'm rich and i'm handsome in. >> this isn't the first time trump flirted with it. >> i am seriously thinking about it. >> i've never taken it seriously like this. >> i think you'll be surprised at what my announcement is.
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>> now that he's officially in the race he's quickly taking aim at gop rivals. >> you looked at bush it took him five days to answer the question on iraq. he couldn't answer the question. he didn't know. >> and president obama. >> our president doesn't have a clue. he's a bad negotiator. >> up next for trump, a trip to iowa tonight where he already - has an uphill battle, a recent iowa poll showing 58% saying they would never vote for him and on to new hampshire tomorrow and his numbers will rise now that he's in the race and hope he doesn't use the catch phrase. >> you're fired. >> he backed up climbs by releasing a financial statement that puts his net worth at $9 billion and iowa tonight, new hampshire tomorrow working on what very well may be the greatest sales job of his lifetime selling himself to the voters. >> well he's right about one thing, if he submitted those
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papers and that $9 billion is real he doesn't have to raise money. >> i bet it will be scrutinized. >> i'm sure. there is always questions able the number. thank you joe johns and now ben ferguson a republican commentator and radio host of the ben ferguson show and former senior advisor to president obama. you come on polar opposite sides of the spear but agree a bit. how big of a problem is trump for the gop field? >> the biggest problem period out there right now because this is a side show people are unfortunately going to have to take seriously and they better all these campaigns better get together and do everything they can to push him out of this as quickly as possible because the longer he stays around the more of a threat it is to the actual policies the actual positions of the real candidates. it's also going to take somebody off stage with the top ten and that could ruin someone's chance to make a difference. donald trump is not going to get
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elected. >> just to interrupt, this point about there is too many people running to fit in the debates, right, he right now is in the top ten on the krus pcusp. you could see rubio, trump, jeb bush in a row on stage at the first debate. >> yeah it would be an embarrassment and a disaster because donald trump today would spend as much time talking about isis and foreign policy about his great golf courses and how rich he is. that's not going to connect with voters but you look how republicans are rejecting him and that number will get bigger. majority of republican voters do not look at him as an even remotely close to the a possible of anybody they would vote for and yet, the other candidates now will have to play a game with him. >> he's polling with santorum, christie right not range. donald trump is famous for repeatedly infamous might be the appropriate word calling for president obama to release the birth certificate. took credit. you were there that day in the
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briefing room and yeah had to release the document and the question to you is he forced that to happen and the people who are ignoring trump or laughing at him underestimating the guy? >> look i agree with ben. he'll bnot be the president or republican nominee. he is not going to be president and the entire media world stoped to watch him. there is a chance he'll pull the republican field not to the right or left but absurd. that's bad for serious candidates like bush, walker, rubio and bad for the lesser candidates trying to get attention or get drowned out by trump's constant very loud talking here. >> so today he talked about immigration, he talked about isis and iran and he did it in a characteristically trump way. here he is. >> i would build a great wall and nobody builds walls better than me believe me, and i'll have mexico pay for that wall.
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nobody would be tougher on isis than donald trump. nobody. i will stop iran from getting nuclear weapons and we won't be using a man like secretary kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, whose making a horrible and laughable deal and then goes into a bicycle race at 72 years old and falls and breaks his leg. i won't be doing that. >> dan, is this a giant expensive publicity stunt? >> publicity is like oxygen to trump. i'm confident he's doing this for publicity. there is clearly a lack of self-awareness but he's going to get more attention and he loves attention and it will come at a cost for serious republican candidates it's bad for the republican party. >> it's narcotic sisissim.
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it's real reactionry. there are real candidates at the bottom lower half of these polls. many of them are governors trying to get in this and have great ideas but when you have donald trump up there taking away from that i think this may be the first time in a primary that you see every candidate work together to destroy donald trump as fast as they can and get him as far away from the stage as possible because they don't want him around. it's bad for the party. it's bad for the election process and an embarrassment and you'll see a lot of these guys that may not get along on stage after the fact totally work together to destroy him early on. >> i have to say, i found something on which you two agree, so i will take that as a win for this program. thanks very much to both of you. >> thank you, erin. >> thanks. "outfront" next confirm add top al qaeda leader killed by a drone. a young mother strike within
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al qaeda's commander dead nasir al wuhayshi is dead. he's said to be responsible for the deaths of many westerners including americans but a successor is in place, the man considered the brains of the operation. is this kill a game-changer or not? jim sciutto is "outfront." >> reporter: the white house said wuhayshi's death removes an experienced terrorist leader and degrading and ultimately defeating these groups. one of alibi da's heavy weights was adored by many fighters. and he was the lead likely to
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one day take over al qaeda from the current global chief. under his leadership, grew into a terror affiliate capable of planning sophisticated attacks including the underwear bomb. the plot to blow up planes with printer bombs and attack on yemen and the paris attack on charlie charlie charlie hebdo. there was a reward of $10 million for information on his whereabouts. the same prize they put on the head of isis header. he was last seen in public with dozens of jihads in a video released last year telling the group we must eliminate the cross, the barer of the cross is
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america. >> he was not 40 but established an impressive jihad track record. >> reporter: aqap acknowledged wuhayshi's death and named a military command erer successor. >> somebody that's seen as the trains somebody who played a key military and operational role in the group and not somebody to be under estimated. >> you know jim, you talk about that replacement already, stanley mccrystal told me go ahead, cut off the head of the snake, the snake won't die. you'll get more snake heads popping up immediately. does this kill change the war on terror? >> i spoke to the head of the nga, one of the intelligence agencies and their imagery helps lead to an assassination like this where they said listen powerful in term thes of command
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and control and charisma attracting supporters and recruits. they will look for disruption inside the organization following this but this group replaces one with another. the replacement is there. this replacement in someways more brutal than the guy just killed so east organizations survive the assassinations. >> the replacement more brutal than the man killed. >> thank you. >> thank you. the mother of two fighting for her life against a mysterious flesh-eating bacteria. tonight, her husband is my guest next and geea fast food fried nightmare.
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tonight a form ermaer marine mother of two is fighting for her leaf. it started as a simple shoulder pain but now, cindy martinez is facing multiple amputations and doctors have no idea how she got the infection. she didn't go swimming in any kind of water, nothing. some strains more than one-third of cases are fatal and i'll speak to cindy's husband in a moment. first, "outfront" with cindy's story. >> reporter: cindy martinez a georgia mother of two is fighting to recover from a potentially deadly infection and facing possible amputations after being infected with a flesh-eating bacteria. >> i love her more than ever before. >> reporter: her husband unsure of how she got sick. >> she didn't have any injury and when i initially at home when she was feeling the pain i looked at where the pain was at and didn't notice anything. that is what is you know troubling. >> the cdc says a few hundred
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people are affected every year nationwide. infections from the various strains of flesh-eating bacteria are rare but can be deadly. >> these are very sneaky infections and when we talk about pain being the leading simmons, it's really pain beyond what you would think would be warranted. >> reporter: according to the cdc, a majority of flesh-eating bacteria is found in the gulf coast region. in florida two people have died after being exposed to the bacteria in warm coastal waters where one strain normally lives. the cases sparked a warning from the state health department alerting beach going gers with open wounds to avoid the water and wear protective clothes. a specialist says wounds are one way to get sick. >> the other is more subtle because the bacteria sometimes can find their way under your skin without an obvious wound.
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>> reporter: that seemed to be the case with lona kirk ken doll. she under went more than 20 surgical procedures as doctors tried to repair the damage done by the bacteria. she didn't need amputations but others aren't as fortunate. >> this feels freeing, more like weight. >> amy copeland lives with prosthetics after losing both hands, leg and foot in 2012 when the bacteria entered her body through a gash in her leg. she hopes her growlueling recovery can be an inspiration. >> it's important to bring hope to those and give a voice to those who can't speak. i'm definitely willing to take on that role. >> copeland is reportedly looking forward to meeting cindy martinez and sharing some hope with her.
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>> "outfront" tonight cindy's husband david martinez. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> impossible to know what your wife is >> she's in good spirits. it's been a long battle for her. over the last few days maybe the last week she's finally been in a position where she can actually understand and be coherent as to what's going on. it's been hard. i had to explain everything to her. about a week ago, i was having a conversation and asking her what she thought about what was going on. she told me she thought she was going home in a few days. that's when i knew i had to tell her everything. what exactly occurred and how she almost lost her life and where we're at now and what's going to happen, or possibly happen in the future. >> when you talk about what might happen she could be facing multiple amputations,
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which is simply impossible for anyone to imagine that it could happen to their family and, yet, it's happening to you. is there still hope that that might happen? when will you know what you and cindy are facing? >> there's no exact time frame right now. unfortunately, we just have to wait and let time take its course and see what her body is actually going to -- what's going to happen to her body in the next few days. it could be the next few weeks. of course, there's been an an onset, as certain things will have to be amputated. you can tell because of dryness on her fingers and toes. >> how, david, do you think this happened in i mean i know that a lot of people when they get this they get it from swimming or being in a stream or a lake.
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that's not what happened to her. >> right. >> she didn't do anything like that. do you have any idea how she could have gotten this infection? >> we have no idea. we're just a normal regular family doing day to day activities just like everyone else. it's just going to and from work picking up the kids from school probably going grocery shopping going outside and having fun with the kids. again, it's nothing out of the ordinary that we did. that is the mystery. we don't know exactly how she got it. >> you have two young children ages 2 and 5. >> yes. >> i know they're the center of their life and the center of hers, as you said. that was what her life was about. she worked and she was also a full-time at work and full-time mother. >> yes. >> they're 2 and 5. do they understand what's happening at all? >> they don't understand. all they know is mom hasn't been there for a while. i explained to them that mom is still not going to be there for even a longer time. it's kind of hard for them to
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comprehend but i can see the fear and them a little scared. of course i read them their children's bible and tell them to have faith and believe in god, but i also incorporate them into the act tiftivities. let them know when mom comes home we have to help her with things. i want them to participate and know they can do the right thing and we can overcome this as a family. >> i know faith is so important to you and everyone watches this program is going to be thinking about you, praying for you and her. >> thank you. >> as she gets better hopefully it's minimal and she can come home and go back to that wonderful life you've built together. david, thank you. >> thank you. i appreciate you.
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it's something you joke about but never think will happen. you go to a restaurant and get served what looks like a rat. that's one customer's story. >> reporter: a fast food chain has taken a licken for its finger licken good chicken shaped like a rat. >> hard and rubbery. >> reporter: a california security guard says he bought a three-piece box of tenders at a kfc in l.a. on the radio show he described taking a bite. >> it was nasty. i spit it out. i realized it was in the shape of a rat with a tail and everything in it. >> reporter: dixon posted photos on his facebook page and put the tender in the freezer. he says he returned to the restaurant with photos and his receipt receipt. >> the manager freaked out to confirm it was a rat. they apologized and offered me a free meal. >> reporter: which he declined. he said he's lawyering up. this is what a chicken tender tends to look like.
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shape alone is not enough to prove a chicken tender guilty of being a bred rat. kfc says our chicken tenders often vary in size and shape and currently have no evidence to support dixon's claim. reminds us of the flap over a bred chicken head that showed up amid mcdonald's wings. in the case of the supposed rat, the unanswered question what's lurking under the breading? we sure don't know. dixon isn't returning our messages. so good. kfc tells cnn, we've made various attempts to contact him, but he's refusing to talk to us personally or through a lawyer nor has he come north with the chicken piece in question for verification which kfc offered to have done free of charge at an independent lab. he says that bite affected his appetite. >> nauseous can't eat.
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>> reporter: heck if we know who is the chicken and who is the rat in this story. cnn, new york. >> that looks more like a mouse. thanks for joining us. set your dvr to watch the show any time. ac 360 is next. good evening. we begin with breaking news in upstate new york. police are shifting the focused on the search for david sweat and richard matt. search teams are being deployed to surrounding areas. this after days of scouring an area near the prison. a prison worker is charged with helping sweat and matt escape. accord together a course mitchell's husband, lyle visited her today. we don't know what the visit was like how long it lasted or what was said. tonight, we are learning a lot more about what went on between mitchell and the killers she befriended. she should say more. we also have