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investigators covering 16 square miles around the prison. but they now say they will pursue individual leads based on whatever information is coming in. after more than a thousand leads, authorities are expanding and shifting their search around upstate new york. >> these are criminals, okay? they're going to rely on what they know best. there's been no reports of carjackings, any break-ins. that's not to say they might not be holding someone at bay in a house somewhere. >> reporter: former prison worker joyce mitchell who they say gave richard matt and david sweat tools to escape is feeling the weight of her actions according to her attorney. >> she's distraught upset, weepy. >> mitchell's husband lyle worked in the same tailoring shop inside the prison. yesterday he visited mitchell in jail and had a private, unmonitored conversation. >> all i know is he said he's
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standing by her. that's what he told me when i spoke to him. >> but lyle's lawyer says he has no plans to testify on her behalf. while both worked at the tailor shop mitchell had a sexual relationship with richard matt dating as far back as 2013. a source also telling cnn joyce mitchell was aware of a plot to dill kill her husband by the prisoners and she warned him his life could be in danger. leading up to the elaborate escape officials say mitchell could have agreed to be the get away driver after matt and/or sweat threatened her or her husband. >> reporter: investigators are looking at the possibility that the inmates inside the prison could have created some type of distraction that enabled the two men to pull off the escape. at the same time they have not ruled tout possibility that
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could have been other employees with knowledge of the plan. >> one man who knows more than most about getting high profile fuj fugitives is -- thanks so much for being here. >> you're welcome. good morning, allison. >> good morning. do you think these two guys are still in the area of the prison? >> as long as they develop no information that puts them outside of that area they have a good presumption they can continue the search there. tactically i think what they're doing is sound and is a good idea. >> so what's going on that we don't see? and how can this be a nationwide hunt if they don't have any other clues as to any other city where they could be? >> what you're seeing is kind of
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the first part of the spear that they're doing is the tactical search. they're going through the woods and changing the grid because they're looking for any sign that these men may be out there. they're also investigating everything they know about these people. and since they've been in jail most of their life they know a lot about their friends, about their habits. proactively they're also trying to anticipate if these people were trying to get out of the jail and get out of the area then they had to have a plan to do that. so what might that plan have been? and where might they have sought transportation? they're trying to proactively look at that and place themselves in those situations. all of that is going on. literally overnight all of this comes together, the interviews of joyce mitchell all of that information comes together and really goes through about four or five people who look at it,
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the go out in the morning and brief these tactical teams. they start their day again and this whole cycle goes on again. all of these things are going on behind the scenes but all we really see are the tactical people going out and searching the woods. >> you searched for eric rudolph and that took a lot of time and you knew or suspected that he was in that area because there kept being break-ins where items of necessity were taken from local homes. why aren't we seeing any of that here? >> that's one of unusual things about this. there's been a scarcity of information that reveals to us that these men are break into cab ins cabins or stealing things. perhaps they are hunkering down in one place and we haven't found them or perhaps they have fled the area. in eric rudolph we literally tracked him across the mountains
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breaking into cabins and stealing everything from underwear to books he was going to read to take up the time and food. in every one of these you're always hearing people say the trail's gone cold. but with respect to rudolph, remember he had murdered a police officer in birmingham got into the wood.swoods. an even though we felt he was there, it was five months before he made a run for it stole a truck, stole some food and kind of confirmed for us this is exactly where i'm at now come and find me. >> this requires a lot of patience. and similar to that hunt this is also in a remote area where there is lots of woods around. i believe you said you could hide an army of people in the woods around this prison and not find them. that is a big challenge. >> you're absolutely right.
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we actually brought a u.s. army expert in tracking and concealing troops. he said look if somebody doesn't want to be found, even if they're not a survivalist, it's very very difficult to find them. that's what you're seeing now is kind of a change in strategy. they're expanding the search. they're looking at different areas. that's to be expected. they'll probably keep doing that. after all, even when they decide to withdraw much of the tactical support, they're going to have to leave some proactive teams and people there in the event that once they do pull out they get that call from the public that changes it all again and they have to get somewhere fast within those areas. >> the public is so instrumental as you point out in things like this. i'm always astounded when some member of the public can spot a fugitive even though they're changed their appearance. they could be bald they could have facial hair.
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that's what fugitives are known for doing. >> that's right. that's why the media performs a great public service here. that's why the media is vital in fugitive tracking. all of these cases we've had, going back to rudolph, christopher dorner in 2013. all of those cases involved calls from the public. the local police making observations and getting in pursuits with these people at differing points in time. that's what's going to happen here. and that's a great part of the ongoing case as well. and that is to go to the public continue going to the public nationwide. in fact world wide showing these men's pictures. eventually the cold trail will turn hot again because that one call will come in that will bring all of this together. >> absolutely. it always does. if you have any information on the whereabouts of these inmates
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contact the u.s. marshals tip line at 1-800-336-0102. you can stay anonymous. big headline in politics. trump went all trump as he announced he's running for president. never has a man had so much coverage and been so unpopular? why? >> today, chris, he goes on to new hampshire to the early voting state where he'll be at manchester community college for an event around 5:30 p.m. eastern. trump's campaign kick off speech here in new york was over the top, creating enormous buzz in social media, seizing the spotlight in the trump way. last night in iowa at his very first campaign stop he kept up the drum beat slamming president obama for his health care plan and negotiating
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skills talking tough about republican contender taos erers too, including a comment about how he has better hair than florida nor marco rubio. and there was more on foreign policy. listen to what he said about isis. >> isis. isis has the oil. and isis is rich. and what we should do right now is go blast the hell out of that -- >> trump's biggest problem in iowa appears on the his approval rates. a recent poll said 58% of republican respondents said they would never vote for him. >> the question is do those number stay there. he must be thinking something, otherwise he'd be setting himself up for great embarrassment. a big selling point is his money, right? just the puffery of it. >> it's interesting. four years ago romney kind of walked away from all his money.
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not so with donald trump. in fact he put out a statement saying his net worth is about $9 billion. he sees this as a selling point to the american public to show people how successful he is and he thinks that will sell as something to help the country. >> thank you very much. we'll see. a major boost to the u.s. effort to destroy isis kurdish fighters and rebels taking control of a syrian border town from isis. it chokes off the supply line to isis's self-proclaimed capital. >> a man arrested in the draw mohammed plat incontest in texas. the man is charged with supplying weapons to the two would be terrorists who opened fire outside the draw mohammed contest.
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the teens who survived back to back shark attacks on north carolina's coast. the family of the girl say she should be able to keep her leg. meanwhile 16-year-old hunter lost his arm and he is now speaking out about that attack. >> one of the victims of that brutal pair of shark attacks off the coast of north carolina speaking out for the first time from his hospital bed. the 16-year-old recounting that traumatic encount their cost him his arm. >> i was in waist deep water, i would say, playing with my cousin like i said and i felt this kind of hit on my left leg. like it felt like it was a big fish coming near you or something. that was the first i saw, when it was biting at my left arm. >> the teen from colorado was swimming in the waters off oak island when the shark attacked mgts. >> i didn't see it coming.
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like i said i i felt it on my leg. this happened 90 minutes after another shark attack unfolded on the same beach less than two miles away. a 13-year-old had her arm torn off by a shark. >> he just got his arm bit off. >> are you with the person now? >> my husband is. he's got it wrapped up in a towel as tight as he can. >> just two days after that life-changing attack hunter vows to remain positive. >> i have kind of two options. i can try to live my life the way i was and make an effort to do that even though i don't have an arm or i can kind of just let this be completely debilitating and bring my life down and ruin it in a way. out of those two, there's really only one that i would actually choose and that's to try to fight and live a normal life with the cards i've been dealt. >> it often takes people a long time to get to this place.
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this happened over the weekend. incredible that he has this philosophy. >> it's so profound what he's saying the ing saying. the attitude is so inspirational. >> if he wants it we'll give him a little boost and wait for him to get to that next phase of recovery and show people how he's doing. do well my friend. do well. when we come back is trump the trans fat of the 2016 race. he makes things tasty, but bad for your heart. why the media loves a man who's so low in the polls and what serious impact he might have on other candidates all ahead. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet grew up in a family of boys... married my high school sweetheart... and pursued a degree in education. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and she prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain.
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. we have an incompetent president. we have pundits that sit around around theorize all day. he built one of the great reality companies of the world and i don't qualify. but some third rate senator that hasn't done a thing qualifies for an election. give me a break. >> what company is that? trump discussed. here to weigh in on what is happening in the campaign mr. john avlon. what's your take away. is anything he said sustainable or true? >> sustainable, yes. true no.
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our long national nightmare is just beginning, people. >> something he said is true? >> he clearly has a truth-telling problem. clearly it is all about him. this is a massive ego that tells anyone who disagrees with him an idiot or a loser. he will crowd serious candidates off the stage because he will get some tea party support. >> i watched your response to his press conference yesterday. i think it's fair to say you were gobsmacked. >> are americans ever gobsmacked? >> she was. what's your take away? >> i was sitting right here in this studio watching it. >> she hasn't moved. >> i haven't moved in realtime. i'm hoping he'll come back and talk some more. i experienced what has to be the greatest day of my political career and a day that will never be topped. it was entertaining. it was a mess. jonathan's right.
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it was a rambling mess. what's sad is trump is right. he is qualified. he has qualifications that would make him an interesting person to run for president. i don't know why it seems as though he's decided not to run as a serious candidate. instead he's decided to run as a marketer. that's a decision. he could run a serious campaign. i think he's decided not to. >> on the kreshlcredential basis, the shady businesses the bankruptcies how does that make you real? >> i don't think that makes you real. i think being real is coming out and sounding like a real person. one of my favorite radio shows is the bobby boensnes show. it's kaunta can'tountry show. they said we're not going to vote for trump, but he is the
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only guy that sounds like a real person. what they're hoping is that he signals to the other serious candidates that you've got to start talking a little more straight. you've got to sound less like a politician. and when donald trump is pull nothing punches, even if it's crazy, it might make someone like scott walker or chris christie or marco rubio have to sound a little less packaged. >> i totally agree that authenticity is what people want from their politicians and they congenitally can't do it. donald trump who is a character ka -- that's not what's happening here. it's shameless self-promotion on the biggest stage the marketer could ever find. >> in terms of his effect on other candidates. let's listen to what he had to said about some of his
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competitors. >> all of these politicians that i'm running against, they're trying to -- you look at bush. it took him five days to answer the question on iraq. then i looked at rubio. he was unable to answer the question. how are these people going to lead us? how are we going to go back and make it great again? we can't. they don't have a clue. >> see, people do think he's the nonpolitician candidate. >> yeah. he's a reality tv star running for president. >> you're wearing the same outfit he is. you've trumped out already. i'm working on that comb over. >> we should overcome comb one of his possible slogans. this will be fun to watch. but there is a civic cost. and let's not mess around with that. >> the cost is that you think he will shunt out --
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>> cheapen. look he will probably be on that stage and a three-term governor won't. careful what you wish for. >> like i said there's an appeal there. while voters like straight talk they also want to see someone that is capable of a little discipline. that's where trump i think frightens most people. there's no discipline there. i think it's going to be fun to watch. and i think there is an opportunity for him to pull the other candidates toward reality and less about the political packaging of how everything is usually presented. the interesting thing i will say is i don't know how fact checkers are going to deal with donald trump, a man who speaks almost entirely in hyperbole.
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>> jeb bush was on jimmy fallon last night and he slow jammed the news. here it is. >> we face an important election in 2016. whoever we choose will be tasks with changing the course of our country and whipping america into shape. >> you hear that america? jeb bush said he wants to whip you "50 shades of gray" style. >> jimmy, i think i speak for all americans when i say ew. >> jimmy just got bush whacked. >> america needs a bold new vision. it's time for the country to make a decision. ♪ the country's direction is still 16 months until we have the election in 2016 who will we choose ♪ ♪ and that is how we slow jam
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the news ♪ >> john what's happened to our country? what's happening right now? >> what's happening to us? i feel creepy. no. listen look an important point, the risk of authenticity the risk of intimacy is actually the most powerful thing a politics can do in an era of over spin. showing a sense of humor about yourself is actually very powerful. when jeb slow jammed the news in spanish last night -- there are two different ways to do that. there's the actual straight talk and then there's the canned unhinged rambling. i think it's important to make that -- >> you're making a very valuable point. part of me hates that you're right about it. but these people up on the stage, they're going to want to
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stay in lock step on what their message is. and trump will be very disruptive on that score if he's allowed to be up there because he does say a lot of things people in this country feel. >> yeah. and he says it in a way that normal people talk. trump looks a lot like our uncles or dads. right? i mean this is how people talk love it or hate it. and certainly it's not a qualification to run a serious campaign for the presidency. but there is an appeal. and i think other politicians would be wise to remember that along with the disciplined and the canned messages and the unwillingness to make mistakes people also want the straight talk. you have to have both. the most successful candidates have a combination of the two and know when to turn which one on. >> thank you for this. we have a lot of time to be entertained by this 509 days 16 hours, 34 minutes.
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time is flying. 12 second now. >> >> gosh i remember when it was 511 days just like two days ago. so weird. still ahead here in the news a really tense encounter with police in nashville. a group of teens were taunting officers trying to make an arrest. was the force used by these officers justified? we've got the video ahead. to craft a more luxurious vehicle, you use the most skilled hands on earth. like ones that spend 38 days creating a lexus ls steering wheel. or 2,000 hours calibrating an available mark levinson audio system. the high-tech, handcrafted lexus ls. luxury, uncompromised. this is the pursuit of perfection.
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. here we go with your five things on this wednesday. police in new york again expanding that search area for two convicted escaped convicts. we have just learned the clinton county district attorney is going to hold a news conference later today regarding that prison break. tropical storm bill dumping brain on water logged texas for 24 hours. the state under the threat of severe flooding for the next several days. donald trump hosting his
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first town hall after launching his presidential campaign with trademark bluster. 16-year-old hunter tresh treschl who lost his arm is speaking out, saying he didn't see it coming. he's saying he's going to try to live a normal life. golden state's long basketball drought is over. it is that team's first championship in 40 years. my goodness. for more on the five things to know be sure to go to "new day"cnn.com for the latest. >> young iraq war veteran trying to help other vets heal their physical and emotional wounds using sports. dr. sanjay gupta has this week's human factor. >> it's his job to motivate others as a pergesonal trainer. but not long ago the 29-year-old needed motivation himself.
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in 2006 he was in the army administration stationed in iraq when his humvee hit two bombs. he survived the blast was his right leg was severely injured. >> my leg was completely useless. we fought for ten years. i had ten to 12 surgeries to try to fix it. >> after amputation surgery, he had a tough time adjusting to civilian life. >> that's when the ptsd hit me hard. started trying to drink the pain away. i didn't want to die, but i didn't want to live anymore. >> he got counseling and hit the gym and started volunteering. >> he and two other veterans were inspired to start the nonprofit vet sports. >> we help vets transition back into civilian life through team sports. >> it's a camaraderie that
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heals. >> i'm finally in a place where i'm genuinely recovered and happy. >> dr. sanjay gupta, cnn reporting. >> you've got to love it. not because the man just jumped on a 30-foot box with one leg, but because of how they're all coming together. amazing story. when we come back resisting arrest in the extreme. we wanted you to watch this video and show you what it means not just for the cops but for the people taking this video. let's celebrate these moments... this woman... this cancer patient... christine... living her life... loving her family. moments made possible in part by the breakthrough science of advanced genomic testing. after christine exhausted the standard treatment options for her disease, doctors working with the
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. now, we've shown you a lot of video of police and whether it's right or wrong what's going on. we're going to show you one now that really strikes at the core of issues about what police are dealing with. this involves cops in nashville and a group of teens during a recent arrest. watch what happens to them and
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watch how the cops have to respond. and think about what you would do and what the job of policing is all about. here's a look at the story. >> [ bleep ]. >> guys back up. >> we ain't doing it man. we got it all on cam are. >> cell phone video reveals nashville police officer kelly cantrell and partner nicholas kulp trying to arrest tondrique fitzgerald wanting on an outstanding warrant for violating probation as a juvenile. >> that's fine. >> as long as you don't put your hands on [ bleep ]. >> the officers are confronted by the suspect's friends who begin taunting them while recording the whole thing. >> they ain't going to do nothing to you, bro. we right here. we'll take that bullet. >> when a group of teens challenges the officers to
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shoot, they both remain calm even as fitzgerald resists arrest. >> [ bleep ]. >> back up. move on. >> we ain't going. you got that gun, that badge. they got the right, don't they? >> at a time of heightens frustration surrounding police conduct and mistrust of local authorities, these officers are being applauded for not escalating an already tense and dangerous situation. >> i tell you. you can't even argue with the way that was framed at the end of the story. these officers are being applauded for not escalating the situation. how about what they just had to deal with? let's bring in harry houk. we teed this story up earlier in the show by saying we're going to show you video.
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i don't even think it's a question as to what the cops were doing. what is this a window into for you? >> i'm really glad we're finally showing some good video in the way the officers were restrained and how they reacted to this crowd. this happens all the time especially in the inner city. this has happened to me hundreds of times when i made arrests out this. there. and it's still going on now because of all the anti-police rhetoric. these officers should have call called for backup. that one female officer had to keep the crowd back be and a lot of times these kids will listen to a female officer more than a mail male officer. >> why? >> i don't know. i've seen it time and time again. this is how useful women are in law enforcement for things like this. that other officer had to
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basically take that person and put him into the rear of the car by himself until she came around to help him while she's still keeping that crowd back. they should have called for backup. at any time that crowd could have attacked these officers. >> there are two different aspects to what's going on there. one is the kid with the cell phone talking trash to the officer. he's a punk kid. he can say wafrhatever he wants. but you as the cop can't return fire excuse the expression, the way a normal person would. >> right. but you've also got to perceive there's a potential threat there also. you don't know if that kid is going to come at you. >> you have to assess it. talk's not enough. >> right. you have to assess what's going on. and that's why these officers should have called for backup. they have the element of surprise. the police officers don't. they've got to wait for them to
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react first before they can react. that's what makes this a very dangerous situation. >> the second thing is the force they used to affect the arrest. you talk about this a lot. this one, could you make the case that because they're on video and very sensitive to the scrutiny they're not using the force they needed to to get this done as quickly as they should have. >> the fact is they could have done some more force on this -- >> he's fighting. he's showing off for his friends. >> and even one of his friends says get in the car, let it go. they could have used a lot more force to get him into the rear of the car. that's what made this a very very dangerous situation here. >> and when people see this the reaction is going to be that's what cops are supposed to do. >> this is the duty. this is what police officers deal with every day. and people don't realize this. all they see is the bad things. this is what cops have to deal with every day, especially in the inner city when they make an
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arrest. >> there's an assumption that the cop comes on the scene, if you don't do exactly what they say right away they beat your [ bleep ]. that's the assumption that they come into this video with. he didn't want to get in the car, which is wrong. so what's the difference between a situation like this and a situation like that? >> each situation is different in the way an officer will react. the law says a police officer can use whatever force is necessary to effect an arrest. it doesn't mean you can't kick a guy, doesn't mean you can't punch him in the face doesn't mean you can't hit him with a night stick. but once the handcuffs are on it's over. >> it also shows the risk you're right. but it also shows the standard which is you're a proe, you have. you have to deal with this. harry, thanks for being here for it. >> thanks for having me. >> former naacp leader rachel dolezal creating a big stir
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black or white, i'm black. i'm more black than i'm white. >> the firestorm over former naacp leader rachel dolezal who identifies herself as black despite being born white has prompted big questions about race itself and whether a person can identify as a race different from their own. let's discuss this the charles blow and tim weiss. he's an anti-racism writer. gentlemen, great to have you here for this conversation that has not stopped since this story of rachel dolezal became public. you heard her. she says i'm more black than i am white. that's how she identifies herself. what's the problem with that, charles, in your mind? >> i don't know if it's necessarily that self-identification becomes a problem on its face right? that people have a right to present themselves however they would like physically. there is a difference i think in
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kind of a lot of the other language she's used about appropriation appropriation. there's deception. this is not about lying and telling the truth. this is at its base about a person who has just lied not just think about but about a lot of things and creating an entire back story. the entire concept of owning the plaque experience is not even something that's available to other people. racial people can take that weave out or stay in out of the sun as she put it and revert to the privilege of being white in america, right? >> sort of. though she says she has earned the black experience and she has lived it. it's not just her hair and her skin tone. let me tell you what she's done. she went to howard university, a predominantly black college, she married a black man, she has
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black children. she was the president of the naacp. her friends and colleagues thought she was black. so she has lived an experience different than a typical white woman. >> typical but with an out clause. >> i went to preschool at a historically black college childhood ed program. that didn't make me black. i've done civil rights work and anti-racism work for 25 years, but would never claim that i was black. the problem with identifying with blackness is not the problem. i do that. i think those of us who try to be allies connect to blackness as a politic, as a culture. but the folks who helped co-found the naacp, who were white, many of them also would have said that. but when you claim to be black you're doing more than connecting to the culture. you're claiming an experience. last november she wrote an article talking about the black lives matter movement.
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she said we had hoped -- using "we" the royal we. we had hoped that the toil of our ancestors would have protecting our children. whose ancestors? for her to say that raising black children makes her black is like me saying because i've got two daughters i know what it is to be a wochlman. that's absurdity. >> what do you think about the caitlyn jenner analogy. that bruce jenner identified as a woman. he became caitlyn jenner. for the most part the country has accepted that even though he has a different chromosome than women, but he was on the cover of a magazine. is there something as transracial? >> i had never heard of this term. i had to look it up. the only context that i saw where it even made a little bit of sense was in the content of interracial adoption.
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but the idea that this is the same as -- i don't believe that that's true. one reason i don't believe it's true is it is not available to everyone right? >> why not? why isn't it available to everyone? >> you can't pull this glove inside out. whiteness in america has traditional been incredibly narrowly defined. and that was enforced by legislatures legislatures. it was enforced by liverpolice officers and judges all the way up to the sprout.upreme court. >> white people can become black. black people can't become white. is that what you're saying? >> starting from her lineage, the deception is possible because blackness has always been defined very broadly because anybody who wasn't 100%
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black was moved into the category as -- >> so you have to have dark skin to call yourself black? >> absolutely not. it has nothing to do with that. there have been plenty of lielgght skinned black folks -- keep in mind this is a woman who has climbed to be black and living as black since about 2007. so she's eight in black jeeryears. i would suggest that the average eight-year-old black child knows more about being black than she has. the caitlyn jenner is -- caitlyn jenner is not lying. there is actual scientific evidence that there are both more moan hormonal and brain differences. this transracial thing is made up. >> some people believe there is not a genetic link necessarily
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for race and that it's geographical. >> i agree with that. race is not genetic. >> race is not general ettic. what is race then? >> it's experience it's historic. when tiger woods moved on the scene he said he didn't want to identify with one race. let's not forget when tiger woods got in trouble for what he got in trouble with i happened to go on these sports chat boards nobody said this running around with women that's just what asian guys do. even though the world has seen her for seven years as a black person -- when she was at howard she knew he was white. that's why she sued them for
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