that push and the white house said the president is not likely to try for it again during his remaining time in office. >> jim acosta thanks so much. that's it for "the lead" on this grim day. i tinge you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thank you for watching. \s happening now, captured. the alleged gunman is now in custody, arrested 250 miles away from are the charleston south carolina crime scene after a citizen's tip. the suspect, a 21-year-old whiteman with a police record and reputation as quiet and strange. we're hearing from some who knew him. the motive -- the gunman reportedly announced he came to kill black people was he connected to white supremacists was he self-radicalized? why federal authorities are investigating in as a hate crime. and the victims, a pastor a librarian, a college grad an

87-year-old woman. police say they and others were murdered because of their race. we're looking at their lives and their legacies. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." breaking news as yet another american community grieves tonight and the entire country recoils in shock and horror, the youngman who police say gunned down nine worshippers at a historic church is now in custody. 21-year-old dylann roof was arrested. according to police the suspect sat in a prayer meeting before standing up and saying he was there to shoot black people. all of the victims, including the church's pastor were black. the alleged gunman is white. federal authorities are now investigating this as a hate crime. we have complete coverage

tonight. i'll speak with south carolina congressman, the former governor mark sanford, and our correspondents analysts and guests. they're standing by with the latest de tails. let's begin with john berman he's he site of the church. john, tell us what happened. >> reporter: wolf we just learned this suspect has waived extradition, and he will be back on his way here to south carolina. where police say shortly after 9:00 in this church behind me emanuel a.m.e. mother emanuel as it's called is accused of opening fire after a bible study class of prayer service, killing nine people six women, three men, and what many are now calling a hate crime. tonight the first glimpse of the alleged gunman. authorities transporting 21-year-old dylann roof shortly

after his capture. >> a terrible human being, who would go into a place of worship where people were praying and kill them, is now in custody. >> reporter: he was nabbed in north carolina about 250 miles from charleston in the emanuel a.m.e. church less than 24 hours after the shooting. police were tipped off by a citizen after a huge manhunt. >> ems command page active shooter, multiple people down. >> reporter: police say the shooter spent almost an hour inside the church with a dozen others attending a bible study class before he pulled out his weapon. sources say it may have been a handgun given to him business his father as a birthday gift. according to witnesses, the gunman said he was there to shoot black people telling victims, quote, you rape our women and are taking over our

country, and you have to go. >> acts like this one had no place in our country, and no place in a civilized society, and i want to be clear, the individual who committed these acts will be found and will face justice. >> reporter: among the dead church pastor and state senator clementa pinckney. witnesses say he was preaching when he was shot. a black cloth is now draped over his seat in the legislature. >> this is someone who should be revered and respected, and we all want ants it is why did this man choose this choose? >> reporter: three got out alive. a 5-year-old reportedly survived by plays dead. a local naacp leader says one was spared because the shooter wanted her to tell the world what he had done. >> there's something particular heartbreaking about a death happening in a place in which we

seek solace and peace. a place of worship. >> emanuel a.m.e. is one of the largest and oldest african-american congregations in the south. it was once burned to the ground because its worshippers worked to end slavery. president obama calls it a sacred place in america's history. tonight, the people here at charleston are grieving. >> we woke up today -- and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. >> reporter: an emotion so understandable. i can tell you there was a palpable sense of relief when officials had this suspect. they got him in custody. there was a great deal of fear here overnight into the early morning hours, because someone went into this church behind me and said he wanted to kill black people and did.

yes, there is anger, there are questions, but more than anything people in this community are now looking to each other and want to move forward together. wolf? >> john thank you, john berman on the scene for us, the alleged gunman is 21 years old with a prior report and an online profile that suggests extremist views. let's go to brian todd. he joins us from south carolina with more on this part of the story. brian? >> reporter: wolf we've been talking to people here in the columbia south carolina area which is the hometown of dylann roof. we have more information on his recent arrest record. according to cord records, he was arrested in february at a south carolina mall not far from here when employees at a bath & bodyworks complained that a white male dressed all in black was asking quote out of the ordinary questions about how many associates were working at the story and when they would be leaving. the police officer who responded to that call said roof was

arrested after he found illegal drugs that are used to treat addictions on his -- in his possession. two months later, dylann roof was arrested again for trespass trespassing at the same mall apparently ignoring -- we also found out information about his schooling. this is white nol high school in lexington, south carolina. we found he bounced around the school system here in lexington and richland county nearby. he went here to white knoll high school just for the ninth grade, but an official said he had to repeat the ninth grade, but left in february of 2010 in the middle of his second ninth-grade year then went to drayer high school in richland county. we're trying to dig as to where he might have gone after that but there's no record of him attending school after that.

now, as for his schooling here i spoke to john mullins, a friend of his in the ninth grade here at white knoll high school and i asked him a key question about dylann roof basically given what we know now. did he ever exhibit any racist tendencies? >> he said some like jokes before but they weren't too serious. i didn't think of them as serious. >> reporter: what kind of jokes? >> i'm really going to say them but they were just racist slurs in a sense, just as a joke. i don't know how else to explain it but i never took it seriously, but now if he showed his other side, maybe it should have been taken more seriously. >> reporter: john mullins said he is sick and devastated over this incident in charleston south carolina. we have also just found out,

wolf that dylann roof has waived extradition and he's being flown back tonight to charleston. wolf? >> brian todd, thanks very much. let's stay at the massacre scene. don lemon has a breaking development. don, what are you learning? >> reporter: wolf you have an exclusive for you and our viewers. it is from inside of this church during the bible study. i want to put the picture up on the screen. the first one, the first image you'll see inside of this church during the bible study. this is if you look at the corner of your screen the man in gray the person you see in the gray sweatshirt is 21-year-old dylann roof in this bible study before any of that shooting started. we got this from one of the victim's his snapchat account,

tywanza sanders, a friend contacted us and sent him this image. the other image, and it's shocking to see him among this group. this is another victim in this state senator and the pastor at this church clementa pinckney inside the bible study, leading the bible study. these are the only images that we know exist now from inside this church when this happened. it's just amazing to see that this young man came into the church made himself a sat there for an hour calmly listened to these people lulled them in made them believe he was part of the group and that he wanted to seek got in some way and he needed some studying from the bible, and then he shoots and kills nine people. wolf the images are startling. we're working to get more but

it's unbelievable to see the calm in the room. the young man among the group before all this shooting and think chaos and act of terror started. >> and they welcomed into this bible study class. he sat there, as you point out, don, for an hour then he took out a gun and he just brutally killed six women and three men? that's what happened, right? >> yeah absolutely and then according to someone who was there, she said she was speared. he allegedly told her, i want you had to go back and tell everyone what happened wanted her to be a witness, to be the conduit to the world as to what happened but the images are startling. this is believed to be 21-year-old dylann roof inside the emanuel a.m.e. church just moments, moments before he murdered really massacred nine people in an act of terror

inside this church. and then the other image that is on your screen that you are looking at is another victim here the pastor of the church state senator and pastor clementa pinckney welcoming this young man into the fold and all of the people whomp there that evening into the fold trying to teach them to do good teach them from the bible, teach them god's way, the holy way. amongst them was a devil, this young man, who is accused of this horrible act, wolf. all right. don lemon reporting, we're going to get back to you, of course and don will have full coverage of this church massacre and the aftermath at 10:00 p.m. eastern later tonight on cnn tonight. joining us now is republican congressman mark sanford of south carolina a former governor of that state. when you heard that report from don lemon, he sat there for an hour, this not only was a mass murder congressman, it was a hate crime, and also an act of terror, right?

>> i don't know what was going through the kid's man, but certainly the act of a de ranged human being, and this level of malice i think is unfathomable in this community, in this nation. i mean it is -- i think your correspondent last talking said the work of the devil? clearly the work of the devil. >> what are your people there on the scene told you about this shooter dylann roof. >> i don't know. eve obviously inundated with phone calls, texts e-mails saying, did you hear? are you aware of? starting early this morning and beginning late last night. you know i've had conversations with folks in leadership you know in the white and black community here at home but in terms of knowing the ins and outs of what made this kid tick i don't have a clue. i know that proof is in the

pudding. he was a terribly disturbed union person who in this case perpetrated an unimaginable crime. >> do you know if he had any connections to hate groups white supremacist groups, anything along those lines? >> i don't have a clue. i don't know but again i know what he did, and that is the part that has brought all these cameras into place, that's what's brought the leadership from the black and white community. that's what's inflicted unimagine abe pain. i no el what he did. >> i want you to stand by. we have more to discuss, including i know you knew the pastor at this church in charleston. stand by. we'll continue our breaking news coverage right after this. it wouldn't make sense if you turned on something in one room and it turned on everywhere else. but that's exactly how traditional cooling and heating systems work. so you pay more than you should. but mitsubishi electric systems

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let's get back to the breaking news the allegeside church massacre gunman is now in custody, 250 miles away from the historic church in charleston south carolina where he murdered nine people apparently just because they were black. we're back with the south carolina congressman, the former governor mark sanford. tell us a bit about the reverend clementa pinckney the pastor here. you knew him, right? >> i did. we overlapped by eight yours during the eight years i was governor he was a south carolina senator. he was a remarkable human being.

you talk about walking the walk with regard to one's faith, he walked the walk. i think, you know you talk to anybody who knew him, he had a real gravitas about him in the way he approached his faith, in the way he tried to help folks in his community. >> when you hear that a 5-year-old representative a 5-year-old pretended to be dead in order to avoid being shot what goes through your mind about what happened at this historic church? >> the obvious. i didn't get to see the images you were showing, but i heard you talking through them. clearly absolute mayhem and again diabolical intent that somebody would go into a bible study, listen for an hour and decide to shoot everybody in there? i think it's horrific. i admire that child's, you know survival instincts to say i'm going to blade dead and hope

this devil of a human being doesn't shoot me? just absolute mayhem. you can only imagine what that child must be thinking today. >> is it time to tighten security at black churches in south carolina? >> i think, again, there will be all kinds of different legal, legislative and judicial remedies offered. i think right now is the time for mourning. i think it's a time for the community to come together around this congregation that has absolutely devastatingly impacted. >> the president spoke out, he was obviously very moved, as all of us have been but he also said it was time to focus attention on gun control. listen to this. >> at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. it doesn't happen in other

places with this kind of frequency. and it is in our power to do something about it. >> congressman, your response? >> my response would be in a free and open society, which is something that does mark our society, one who is willing to in essence kill themselves in the process of killing others will always be able to do so. it's the tension that's existed for 1,000 years between security and freedom. again we'll have a long political debate on whether or not we have that calibration right. what i do know is too obvious in the wake of tragedies advocates on both sides of the debate use the debate to their own ends. again, i think it's premature. we need to focus on the families whose lives have been forever impacted to think about the quality of the life that reverend pinckney lived and how we might model his life. think about race relations in

this state and this country. there are a lot of things to think about, moving to larger debate on gun control i don't think should come in the immediate aftermath. the other issue that's come up and because there's a photo of dylann roof setting on his car with a plate reading confederate states of america. today the u.s. supreme court ruled that texas is allow to do lee ject a license plate design with a confederate flag. on the grounds of the south carolina statehouse they still fly a confederate flag. congress madge, is it time for south carolina to make a change? >> again another intense debate within south carolina. for some folks that represents heritage. for others it represents hate. it's for that reasons that the confederate flag was brought down off the state capitol and put in a place of memorial for the statehouse grounds. that was a compromise formed some years ago.

i think you have to be attentive to where my brothers in christ are coming from on this debate. lonie randolph reverend darby, a long list of friends who believe passionately it still ought to come down from that place, but i have an equal number of friends who say, wait a minute my great uncle died in this particular effort. for me it wasn't about slavery, it was about states' rights. it's an intense debate. what i do know is a compromise was formed. i was the first governor in the history of south carolina to apologize for the orangeburg massacre. i think there are things we can do but it's premature to go into an intention emotionally drank debate on what we might do there, before we first have time to mourn the passionng of these people. this is a huge very tragic development. congressman, thank you.

>> yes, sir, a pleasure. coming up was it chance or did a gunman intentionally target one of the charleston's most historic african-american churches? plus lines of distinction cut shot. stay with us for more on the shooting victims, including a pastor who is being called the moral conscience of the south carolina state legislature. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. with the tools and the network you need to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. hi, my name is cliff. i'm tom. my name is eric. and i help make beneful. i help make beneful. i help make beneful. after working here, there's no other food i'd feed my pets.

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our breaking news the alleged gunman is in custody after the massacre of nine worshippers at an history church in charleston south carolina. we have exclusive images taken by one of the victims as the gunman sat in on the class before opening fire. let's get a closer look at the nine victims slaughtered by a man who reportedly declared he had come to shoot black people. alina machado joins us live from charleston. tell me about these people wonderful people all. >> reporter: all of them by all accounts wonderful people wolf. this massacre happened at the church right down the street from where we are. all day we've got seeing a steady stream showing up to pay respects, some of them even holding flowers to honor victims. now, they people about a dozen

people had gathered for a bible study when the gunman opened fire. this community is still reels. witnesses tell us that one of the victims, reverend clementa pinckney the pastor of this church was preaching inside the church when he was shot and killed. he was just 41 years old, the father of two. he was also a state senator. he had been serving in the state legislature, wolf for nearly two decades. >> tell us a bit about the other victims. because we simply want to know -- >> reporter: well you know the other eight victims of this massacre have varied background but they were all united by their faith. the youngest was tywanza sanders, 26 years old, a graduate of allen university everyone theled owes was susie

jackson. de payne middleton doctor also died here. her friends told me she was an exceptional woman, and worked at southern wesleyan university at the learning center here in charleston. she leaves behind four daughters, wolf. >> alina, thanks very much. as alina just reported reverend pinckney is among the dead. he began preaching when he was just a teenager. he became the youngest black person ever elected to the south carolina house of representatives. he was 27 when he became a state senator. today pastor pinckney's senate desk is covered in black. his fellow state senator marlon kimson is joining us. thanks very much for joining us. our deepest condolences. i know his was a good friend. tell us a bit about him. >> well i think you've

accurately described him. he was a giant of a man. he was truly the moral conscience and the moral compass of the general assembly. we would often go to senator pinckney at times when we were negotiating key pieces of legislation as it made their way through both bodies. when we would reach an impasse, he would provide spiritual guidance as well as the experience and leadership based on his experiences with being a pastor about what the right thing to do in south carolina would be. and so he will be definitely missed. this community is in mourning but so will the eight other family members who suffered the death at the hands of this criminal. >> let me ask you two questions i just asked congressman sanford. the first one on what the

president said it's time for tighter, tougher gun control. are you with the president on that? >> correct, i am solely with the president on that. south carolina's laws need to mirror the federal laws. the federal laws restrict -- are much tighter restrictions on gun ownership. in addition we need to repeal some of the gun law that is we have passed recently in the general assembly for example, we now have citizens who can carry guns in bars where there's alcohol. that's not good common-sense legislation. i opposed it at the time and will seriously consider bringing that issue up. we spend too much too many in south carolina advocating for gun right owners. don't get me wrong, i believe in the second amendment, right to carry, but there's also a constitutional right for a state to exercise its police powers

particularly when we have a large violent deaths occurring here in south carolina. >> as you know senator, there's a photo of dylann roof setting in his car with a plate reading confederates states. today a supreme court ruled that texas is allowed to reject a license plate design but in south carolina at the statehouse they still fly a confederate flag. is it is it time to make a change? >> it's long time for us to remove the flag. that flag was put in front of the statehouse as a compromise back before -- when el got in the general assembly. it is a divisive symbol it agitates citizens and it's offensive. it's time for the confederate flag to come down but in south carolina we have to figure out a way to gain bipartisan

support, much like we did with the body camera bill which was a significant piece of legislation we passed. so we are going to have to make that appeal to the business community and the various groups that come to south carolina because it needs to be a groundswell of support and one that we can build a bipartisan coalition. >> should african-american churches in south carolina beef up their security? >> no. you know the church has historically been a place of security peace, a bastion where we could interact with one another and all worship god. i don't want us -- i want us to be very vigilant and patrol the grounds, be more cog any savrnt of who comes in our facilities but we still need to maintain an open door. because we want to make sure

that people who want to give embedments in coming in the church door. today we had a very powerful ceremony all we are welcome. there was a heightened level of security, but we've got to maintain the essence of the black church and that is in all churches quite frankly, where there's a spirit of openness and come one, come all. we can't let this criminal change the way that we worship. it's very, very important. he wins if we do that. >> state senator marlon kimpson, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> our deepest condolences. the suspect in the charleston church massacre is on the move. we are waiting for a plane to take him back to south carolina from north carolina where he was arrested. coming up we'll have de tails on what's going on. you're looking at live pictures

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killing nine people. that plane will be taking roof back to charleston. cnn's martin savidge is in charleston for us. he has more on what's going on. update our viewers, martin. >> well certainly the fact he's going to be returned in custody less than 24 hours after this whole horrific shooting went down in some respects is relief for law enforcement, but it is nothing to dissuade the grief that the community is feeling. still, that said they have their man and they plan to prosecute him fully. tonight 21-year-old dylann roof is in custody, caught in north carolina armed with a gun. >> that terrible human being, who would go into a place of worship where people were praying, and kill them -- >> reporter: roof is suspected of killing nine people inside the church in charleston south

carolina. >> we woke up today -- and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. >> reporter: just at 8:00 p.m. wednesday night, roof entered the church. he was invited to join a bible study group. >> he sat next to my cousin reverend pinckney throughout the entire bible study. it is conclusion of the bible study, from what i understand they just started hearing loud noises just ringing out. >> witnesses told police at around 9:00 p.m. roof stood up and said he was there to shoot black people. he allegedly took out his handgun and opened fire killing nine. >> ems command page advising of active shooter, multiple people down. >> first responders rushed to the scene. >> several people involved in the active shooter.

>> give me at least four medics units plus two supervisors on the call please. >> a family member said one survivors received a chilling message from the shooter who told her, quote, i'm not going to kill you. i'm going to spare you so you can tell them what happened tonight authorities are looking into roof's background and if he had help in orchestrating what is being investigated as a hate crime. >> we will do search warrants do interviews we'll go back and try to put together why this might have been happened. >> reporter: a law enforcement official tells cnn that his father had recently bought him a gun for his 21st birthday. the real question is now that they have found him is finding out more about him. >> lots of questions need to be answered, we're staying on top of the story. thanks very much martin. coming up our

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. breaking news we're following. there are many unanswered questions in the wake of the charleston church shootings. let's bring in the former fbi assistant director, law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. the criminal defense horn hln legal analyst joey jackson. former atf special agent in charge matthew horace. this alleged killer he went to this bible study where there are

a limited number of people. if he wanted to kill a lot of people he could have gone to the church on a sunday morning. >> it could be we don't know all the answers to that why that particular as much as at that particular time. maybe we'll never know. but they'll be looking to try to talk about that with him. >> if these churches asked you for advice whether to beef up security at this sensitive moment what would you say? >> i'd say maybe temporarily. for a short time just because of a copycat killer that might be out there. not for the long run. >> i agree with tom. we're hoping this was a one-off, one-time deal with a real bad guy and hoping no one else is going to do a copycat crime. >> as you know roof was targeting these victims allegedly because of their race. in this picture you see him wearing a jacket. that's not the picture i want to show. there's a jacket of him with a sweatshirt he's got an apartheid-era south africa flag he's got a flag of row indonesia sha. there he is right there.

he's got a confederate flag on his car. clearly he must have been inspired by hate if you will by racism. how do you find out if he's actually connected to any hate groups? >> there's a couple different ways. as tom knows there are databases that we keep that fbi has, southern poverty law center to tie in these individuals and see if they're involved with hate groups. >> joey south carolina has the death penalty. but no hate crime laws. so what's the difference there? explain from the legal perspective why the death penalty is apparently not enough you also need hate crime laws as well? >> sure. well as a practical matter because he engaged in the act of murder the penalty is going to be significant. it doesn't get any more significant than the death penalty. and in fact what ends up happening is for a hate crime to be proven at the federal level or any other level, you have to demonstrate what the base sister was for committing

the act. why did you engage in it? did it have anything to do with racial intolerance, with intimidation? so you have to establish that. as a practical matter wolf when it comes to simply establishing murder that you need to show as a motive why he would have gained in this act. and that is the state of mind. but you otherwise don't have to demonstrate for a murder charge that it was predicated upon hate. what's needs to be mentioned is that he's eligible for the death penalty because of what we call an aggravating circumstance. he killed two or more people at the same time. and so either way, whether it's prosecuted federally as a hate crime or whether it's prosecuted at the state level without any hate legislation but simply as a result of a murder charge the penalty is significant and could result in his death. >> and matthew, could he also be charged with an act of terror? >> i'm not quite sure on that one, wolf. i think we're going to have to look and see if he was a prohibited person with a gun or

not, what his intent was. it all comes down to intent. >> what do you think, tom? >> matthew's correct. if it's because of ideology or some political, religious, ethnic belief it could be an act of terror. as joey was mentioning you'd have to prove that additional element. premeditated murder is going to be much easier. the gun, his bullets, into the people he killed. premeditation, he sat there an hour. not road rage or sudden impulse. he thought about it had another hour to think about it then cooley calmly killed those people. >> you think there's anything in his background that would fit a profile of a mass murderer this we know he was charged with drug possession trespassing, 21 years old. but people don't remember him necessarily as being a potential mass murderer, if you will. >> wolf you look at the profile of other active shooters throughout the last decade or two. most single lone wolf attackers, most male most in that same age

range. i think the more we dig, the more we're going to find over the next couple of days and weeks and months to try to determine what sparked this individual to do this. >> matthew horace tom fuentes, joey jackson thanks very much. coming up we'll have more on the breaking news, the alleged gunman in the massacre of nine worshippers at a historic black church in custody, arrested 250 miles away from the charleston south carolina crime scene. new details coming into "the situation room" about the suspect, the victims, and the investigation. doesn't it seem like the wireless world today could use a smile? at cricket wireless, we think so. that's why prices for our plans are all in taxes and fees included. and we've got more 4g lte coverage nationwide than t- mobile or sprint. it's what makes cricket the happiest place in the whole wireless world.

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happening now, breaking news. in custody, the alleged shooter in the charleston church massacre is being flown back to south carolina to face charges just hours after his capture. was he solely driven by racism and hate? or something else? exclusive images show the suspect, dylann roof posing as a worshipper apparently before the fatal shots were fired. in mourning worshippers praying for the nine churchgoers who were gunned down. tonight we're learning more about their lives and their deaths and the surprising ways that a few others survived. historic church. one of the south's olders african-american congregations now a murder scene. tonight, emotional comments from president obama about the