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i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you, and have mercy on your soul. >> i forgive you and my family one of the people there, it

was an actual survivor of the shooting. >> we didn't know that at first. it's pretty typical of this. this woman is extraordinary. there was no advanced list that told us who was going to be the representative families of the victims. it was only until they began speaking who might be who. she was there. she was a survivor. and now she had gone from staring down the barrel of a gun to staring at that suspect in custody and confronting them. in custody and confronting him. and listen to her words. they're just absolutely haunting. >> we welcomed you wednesday night in our bible study with open arms. you have killed some of the most prettifulest people that i know. every fiber in my body hurts. and i'll never be the same. tywanza sanders was my son, but

tywanza was my hero. tywanza was my hero. but as we said at bible study, we enjoyed you. but may god have mercy on you. >> those words, you can see, are over the imagery of her son. her son died there. this is the mother who had watched it happen. >> her son died in front of her. >> right. and, you know, you just cannot begin to imagine the suffering, and yet they are confronting the suspect now. >> and not only confronting, but talking about forgiveness. i talked to one family member, and we'll play some of that later, who said, look, it's too early for me to talk about forgiveness, but we heard that repeatedly today in this bond hearing.

>> and that was the word, i've got to say, first thing, i did not expect to hear, not so soon after this event. you're talking about people of deep faith. that's why they were inside that church, studying the bible on that night. but to hear forgiveness and to hear them say it so strongly. again, listen from inside the courtroom. >> and i would like to thank you on behalf of my family for not allowing hate to win. for me, i'm a work in progress, and i'm very angry. but one thing depayne has always joined in our family is that she taught me that we are the family that love built. we have no room for hate. we have to forgive. and i pray god on your soul and i also thank god that i won't be around when your judgment day come with him. may god bless you. >> the reason you don't see these families making the statements is out of respect, the camera did not focus on them, but every word was heartbreak.

>> just extraordinary. martin savage, i appreciate the reporting. we also want to talk about some of the things the judge said today in that bond hearing. but i want to give you a sense of what is happening here, right now. the vigil that many people attended, the hundreds or thousands of people attended, which is not too far from here, that has ended. and so many of the people who were at that vigil have now started to come here to the ame church. there are hundreds of people right now who have shown up, just in the last 15 minutes or so. the street, itself, has actually now closed off, as people are just milling in the street. many or hundreds of people are waiting in line to try to get to the makeshift memorial, which is out in front of that church. now, all throughout the day, hundreds of people have been coming to lay flowers, to lay wreaths, to leave hand-written

signs. when i was there earlier, i saw a little girl laying a sign that she had written, with some drawings on it. people were leaving teddy bears. people were saying prayers. they just want to take part and show their solidarity with the people here, with the survivors, and with those who lost their lives. but this is a scene. we have not seen this many people outside the church. and it is likely to last for quite some time, because there are long lines and i see, just looking down the block, i see at least 100 more people on their way here, if not more. talking about that bond hearing, though, one of the things that got a lot of attention today at the bond hearing was the judge himself. the judge early on asked for sympathy for the killer's family. here's what charleston county magistrate, james gosnell jr. said. >> charleston is a very strong community. we have big hearts. we're a very loving community.

>> and we are going to reach out to everyone, all victims, and we will touch them. we have victims, nine of them, but we also have victims on the other side. there are victims on this young man's side of the family. nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they have been thrown into. we must find it in our heart, at some point in time, not only to help those that are victims, but to also help his family as well. >> i just want to show you what's happening right now. and let's listen in, a bagpipe player, and a crowd impromptu singing "amazing grace." let's listen in. ♪ ♪ i once was lost ♪ but now i'm found

♪ was blind, but now i see ♪ ♪ amazing grace ♪ ♪ was lost but now i'm free

♪ >> one of the extraordinary moments that we have witnessed over the last two days here in charleston. people come up to you and right now they're handing out flowers. these are also handed out during the vigils. i know people handed you flowers as well. have you ever seen anything like this? there is this sense of shock, of grief, there is certainly anger, there is confusion about perhaps how this could have happened. but to see all these people here, coming together, and in just an inpromp too moment, singing "amazing grace," it's extraordinary. >> i've never seen anything like

it. certainly, as a prosecutor, i've been around communities that have experienced tremendous grief, tremendous tragedy, victims of terrible crimes. i have never seen a community come together like this so quickly. let's remember, this just happened just a few days ago. and all day today, people have been coming up to me and saying that this community was a strong community, a loving community, and that they would be coming together. >> there was a lot of controversy about what that judge said early on at the bond hearing, talking about the victims on the killer's family, that they were victims as well. you've been looking at his past statements. he's actually made some pretty controversial statements in the past. >> he has. it's quite extraordinary, actually, anderson. in november of 2003, during a reduction bond hearing, this judge, judge gosnell, told an african-american defendant, and he says he said these things to sort of force him to change his path of life, but he said, and i'm quoting here, he said, there are four kinds of people in this world. black people, white people,

rednecks, and then he used the n-word. and because of that, that horrible statement, and in addition to other misconduct, this judge actually, in 2005, was publicly reprimanded by the state supreme court. now, the court had about three options. one was a confidential reprimand, two was this public reprimand, which is very serious, three would have been a suspension of 60 days. he got sort of the mid-level reprimand, but still, very, very significant. but, again, tells you a little bit about this judge. >> to have a judge sitting on a bench, using the n-word to an african-american defendant -- >> in court, during a legal proceeding. and he retains his role on the bench. >> in fact, he's one of the most senior jurists now on the bench. >> that's correct. and i think t goes to show you, his words were so outrageous and unusual. you never a judge during a pro forma bond hearing say something like that. it goes to show you that he should not have been the judge dealing, even on a magistrate level, with a potential hate crime. >> in terms of any trial that occurs, will he be the judge sitting on that trial? >> if there's ever a silver lining, i suppose that is the silver lining. his role is over. as a magistrate judge, he only

handles a bond hearing. but you see what's going on here tonight. my goodness. >> people now singing "this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine." again, we've seen so many things over the last 48 hours. and we're going to be bringing them to you in the next two hours tonight, because there is such grace here, such amazing grace here. it's not just song, it is a sentiment here. it is a belief that we have heard from the mouths of those who have lost their sisters, their loved ones, and we're going to bring some of those people to you in the next two hours. and in the days ahead, funerals, of course, will be held for the nine people who were murdered inside the church behind me. their lives, their legacies will, of course, be celebrated. sharonda coleman singleton was just 45 years old. she wore many different hats. she was a mom, a coach, a high school speech therapist.

by all accounts, beloved no matter which hat she had on. she was incredibly hardworking. she leaves behind three children and countless friends. she was also a reverend here at the church. and shortly before she was murdered here, she had visited homebound people who weren't able to make it to the church. that's the kind of woman she was. i spoke to her daughter, cameron singleton, and her best friend from college, rita whitney, earlier. >> rita, for you, you've been lifelong friends. >> 28 years of friendship. this is probably one of the hardest things i've ever had to deal with. sharon was like my heartbeat. >> you met in college? >> 1987, day one of college. we were both on the track team,

and that's the day our friendship flourished and began. >> and you've been friends ever since? >> we have been the very best of friends ever since 1987. there are actually four of us that are very close. we have been at each other's weddings, we have been at the delivery room for each other's babies. >> she was in the delivery room -- >> she was this the delivery room for five of mine. >> she was coaching you? >> no, she didn't coach, just there for support. everybody wants to see what's being born into our new family. so, yes, we were in her delivery -- >> you were in cameron's delivery? >> yes. >> so we have a bond. >> what do you want people -- cameron, what do you want people to know about your mom? >> she was a great lady. like, everyone already knows that she was great. they have no bad things to say about her, you know. i just want them to remember her smile, how good she was, how she'd like wake you up in the morning, she was just great. always happy. >> always happy. >> yeah. >> i bet she was the kind of friend you could call up and say, hey, i need you, you'd be there? >> my call to sharonda would be -- all i had to do when she answered -- my key words would be when times were tough and i need her to pray, all i had to say was, i need to go in the closet, and she would sit down and start praying. and her words always changed the situation. but it wasn't just like that for me, it was like that for everyone she knows. it was like she was given the gift to be able to give you the soothing word, whatever the word you needed for that moment, she would be able to give it to you. >> that's a power, that's a gift. >> it's a gift. she was definitely god's child. he sent her here with a purpose. she definitely had a purpose. >> when you heard the news, where were you? >> we were across the street from the hotel. the day it happened, she was doing a lot of stuff. i didn't see her that much that day. she left early in the morning. i saw her in the morning, said by, went back to sleep, and she went to work, did summer school, because she's a speech teacher, and went to go see visits, then went to bible study. >> wow. >> she went to visit people who were sick and shut in. >> members of the church. >> took care of the community. >> is that right? >> for people who couldn't get to the church, she would bring the church to them. >> yes. yes. >> she was definitely a spiritual woman.

and the thing is, she may have received her call to ministry maybe about eight or so years ago, but even in 1987 when we met her, you could see it in her. >> is that right? >> most definitely. she didn't need to wear the robes. she didn't need to have to be ordained to have the title reverend in front of her name. it's who she was. and you knew it. you felt it through her spirit and saw it in her smile. everything about her was infectious. no matter what type of day you were having, even if you just got close to her, things would be a whole lot better. that's what sharonda was about. >> what do you want to -- i don't want to use this person's name, what do you want to see happen to the person who did this? >> you know, the thing is, it is not up to me to decide what your fate is. that's going to be a conversation he and god are going to need to have. but i just want him to know and understand that he may have taken her from this world, but he'll never remove the words she left behind. he'll never be able to change the people's lives she affected, he'll never be able to take away the memories that all of us have. these children, they've lost a significant piece of their life. a significant piece of their life, but you know, the thing about it is, she always kept her children in the faith. she taught them well, and to trust and believe with the support system they have, not only will they flourish, they will follow in her footsteps. >> is that something you feel you want to do? follow in her footsteps? >> i don't know about preaching, but i want to make people feel special. if you knew her for five minutes, you felt like y'all could have been friends forever. >> there was this bond hearing today and some people spoke and said things to this person and some people spoke about forgiveness.

were you surprised to hear that? >> um, no. one thing she taught us was to love and forgive. when she was punishing us, we say, wait, y'all say we deserve a second chance, second chance. >> you tried to use that to get out of punishment? >> sometimes it would work. we all do deserve a second chance. >> even somebody who's done something horrific? >> yeah. we all deserve to be forgiven. >> thank you both so much for talking to us. appreciate it. thank you. >> imagine that, a 15-year-old girl who has just lost her mother, talking about giving somebody, a killer, a second chance. talking about forgiveness. it is extraordinary. a lot more ahead tonight, including the latest on the investigations into the murder that took place here in charleston. you'll hear from a friend of the shooter who took his gun away from him and then you'll hear why he gave it back to him when "360" continues. 6 father's day is this weekend. and who's better than dad? now, at t-mobile, get the new lg tablet on us when you get a new data plan. no money down. no monthly payments.

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ask your doctor about otezla today. otezla. show more of you. welcome back. we are here outside the ame church. again, i just want to show you, the scene, because it is just extraordinary. the crowds continue to grow, the street has been blocked off. there are now, i can't tell how many hundreds, i'm guessing, 400, perhaps, maybe 500 people here. they're just standing in the street, milling around, talking to one another. you hear people kind of greeting each other, friends who maybe haven't seen each other since the attack took place. and a lot of it is just strangers, who maybe don't even

live near each other or aren't even near the same communities here in charleston, but are joined here, joined here in sorrow and joined here in grief and joined here in sort of defiance. a quiet defiance. we heard people singing "amazing grace," an impromptu sing. also singing "this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine." i, in a way, wish you could be here to kind of take it in for yourselves, because it's something we rarely see. we often see a makeshift memorial sprout up in the wake of the tragedy. we've seen that far too many times over the last many years. that's become a common sight, but something like this, a community coming together, that's something you don't see very often.

new details tonight about the steps the killer took to carry out the massacre inside the church behind me. cnn affiliate wbtv is reporting that the shooter told investigators he had a glock handgun hidden behind a pouch around his waist and had 7 magazine clips with him when he entered the church, just two nights ago. now, you can see that pouch in surveillance photos released by police. wbtv also reports that the killer told investigators that he had been planning the attack for some time and had chosen his target, because he knew it was an african-american church with a long and storied history. we've known for a bit the shooter's father and uncle called the authorities when they recognized him in that surveillance video, but we have also learned someone else from the family called as well. brian todd joins me now from columbia, south carolina. brian, what have you learned? >> reporter: anderson, we have this just in tonight from our editorial producer, elon byrd, who spoke to the shooter's fracture. the father confirmed that not only he, but that his daughter, the shooter's sister, placed separate calls to the police tip line in the hours after wednesday night's shooting. so you have now three members of the shooter's family who placed calls to the police in those crucial hours. you have the father, his daughter, the shooter's sister, and an uncle who placed calls to the police tip line. three members of that family, calling police in those crucial hours. also tonight, we have learned that the shooter likely planned some kind of an extreme act for quite some time.

that there may have been a dispute within the shooter's family, about his purchase of a gun, and that he had some violent ideas about provoking tension between the races. >> reporter: the license plate saying confederate states of america, patches on his jacket, the flags of apartheid era south africa in rhodesia, symbols of a life descending into a pattern of racial hatred. but it was the shooter's behavior, a friend says, that really scared him. >> he said he wanted segregation, he wanted a race war, he wanted to be white with white and black with black. >> reporter: what did you say? >> i didn't agree at all and we argued about it. >> reporter: joey meek had been friends with the shooter in middle school. they lost touch a few years ago, but reconnected in recent months. meek says he recently talked about a six-month plan he had to, quote, do something crazy. meek says he doesn't know

that was earlier today. this is the scene. hundreds have gathered here, and you hear them singing. people holding hands. there is strength in numbers here. amazing grace, just 48 hours after this tragedy. there are difficult days ahead

too little, too late. somebody needs to speak up. if you see something, say something. >> the fact that, by the shooter's own admission, argument according to authorities, his motivation was based on race, hatred of black people, desire for a race war. we've seen those images of him with the patches of apartheid in south africa. how hard is it to track someone who plans to act alone, as opposed to someone who's very publicly part of a broader group? because there are a lot of groups and law enforcement can track groups. but lone wolves, individuals who are just motivated by watching stuff on the internet or listening to records, that's harder to stop, isn't it? >> anderson, it really is. and the difference is, when we have these group dynamics, there are ways that the government and

the different law enforcement agencies can get into the groups and determine the extent of their criminal use of firearms and explosives and other things. and they give us a reason to investigate them. in this case, even those everyone suspected that something wasn't quite right, no one would have guessed that we would have taken it to this extent. >> well, matt, i appreciate you being on, matt forest, still a lot to learn. just ahead, the mass murder has investigators looking into where the shooter, exactly where he got his extremist views. and a lot of people tonight are saying that you do not have to look much further than the actual grounds of the south carolina statehouse. it's there that the confederate flag the flying by confederate memorial and a full staff, at that. the american flag, the state flag, those are at half-staff. the confederate flag, that has not been lowered at all. should it come down altogether? i'll talk to charleston's mayor about that.

welcome back, we are here outside the site of the massacre at the ame church. as you can see, there are still hundreds of people who are just standing outside the church, just come here to pay their respects and more continue to come as darkness begins to fall. earlier, our cnn affiliate wbtv has been reporting that the church massacre, the gunman told police he chose his target intentionally, because he knew it was a well-known african-american church. we've already seen evidence of his racist believes, obviously, in photographs. and brian todd, a few moments

ago, reported on those patches of the shooter's jacket's flags, the apartheid in south africa and rhodesia. of course, neither of those flags are in use. they were retired or redesigned because they were so hurtful to so many. south africa has a new flag and zimbabwe does as well. but another sign of hurt is the confederate flag. it used to fly over the state capitol. it's a contentious issue, and the massacre two nights ago has reignited calls to take it down. tom foreman has more tonight. >> reporter: even in the wake of overwhelming sadness, even amid churches of horrific crimes, there it is, the confederate flags, flying above the grounds of the south carolina capitol while outrage erupts below. >> this was a racial hate crime and must be confronted as such. that symbol has to come down. >> the u.s. flag was ordered to half-staff, but the rebel flag

remained high, padlocked into place. why? state law. in 2000, civil rights activists successfully lobbied for a larger confederate flag to be removed from the capitol dome. but in exchange, all other tributes to the confederacy, including the flag on the capitol lawn, became untouchable without an override by two-thirds of the state legislature. that's not likely here or in other places where some have said for years the flag is about southern pride, heritage. in mississippi, it's even part of the state flag. >> we're here to show our sport that we're proud of being who we are and where we're from. >> reporter: opponents equate that to defending what germany did under hitler. the nazis are responsible for the auto bon and advancing nazi science. we fly the flag to honor that heritage? it's an old debate, but even top politicians admit it has new resonance. >> i think the state will start talking about that again and we'll see where it goes. >> at the end of the day, it's

up to south carolina. >> reporter: maybe times have changed. just this week, the u.s. supreme court said texas can deny a request for license plates featuring the confederate flag. but nine other states still allow it on their plates, including south carolina, even as opponents are pushing a symbol of their own. #takeitdownsc. tom foreman, cnn. >> i talked about the flag and the shooter's apparent desire to start, in his words, a race war with charleston's long-serving mayor, joe riley. i talked to him earlier today. there are reports that this killer wanted to start a race war, in his words. >> that is fantasy, that he would even think that.

but if he wanted to and if he hoped to, it was a tragic and dismal, murderous failure. because he broke the hearts of black people and white people to the same degree. and this is a community. and we have been, but all that did was make this community love each other more. if that was his goal, he failed. >> there are some people who, you know, they see the shooting of a man in north charleston several months ago, and now this. is there a race problem here? >> no, there isn't. i mean, first of all, this guy, mr. roof, lived 110 miles away. so you can't. there no way to really make him a part of this region's community or life or value to anything. he's a bad person, that came away, from a way in another community, with this horrible idea. and intention, and, quite

honestly, there isn't. >> two of the flags, the american flag and the state flag were put at half-staff, the capitol. the confederate flag is still flying. is that something that concerns you or is that -- >> well, you know, i spent four days walking from charleston to columbia on these two feet, with a biracial group of leaders who tasked the flag being atop the state capitol where it used to be. and we succeeded. they brought it down. they just didn't complete the task. they brought it down and then there was an effort to put it in a smaller place in front of the capitol. and -- but i don't think it has a place there. and i think -- >> you wish --

>> it belongs in the museum. it's a part of history and that's a place for all to go and understand, but it shouldn't be in front of the capitol. it just shouldn't be there. >> when you heard that this young man has made a confession, was that a sense of relief? >> well, i kind of figured he would. i mean, you know, that somebody like that, i mean, i figured he would, so i didn't imagine we would have any difficulty convicting him. and, you know, he's just blinded and corrupted by racism, and perhaps others things that are going on. i figured he would confess, to his dastardly deed. well, up next tonight, we remember the youngest victim who was killed here at the church, tywanza sanders, a young imagine who friends say was always smiling and encouraging them to do the same. he died trying to protect others at that bible meeting. we'll talk to one of his close friends, coming up.

the historic church known as mother emanuel here, as night falls in charleston, hundreds of people here still standing against the darkness, wanting to join together, to pay their respects.

some people are singing, there's clapping, prayers. but we have seen thousands of people throughout the day, come by here, lay flowers, bring balloons, teddy bears. so many people just want to be here. just want to, to say a prayer. the youngest victim of the church massacre was 26 years old. 26 years old. he had his whole life ahead of him. tywanza sanders. his friends say, he always had a smile on his face. just last year, he graduated from alan university in columbia, south carolina, and what's remarkable is tywanza died trying to protect others, including his mom when the gunman opened fire two nights ago during bible study. she survived, and earlier, you heard her speak to the gunman in

court today at that bond hearing about the pain of losing her son. well, there's a lot of pain tonight here, including tywanza's friend, a.j. harley, who joins me now. thank you so much for being with us. what do you want people to know about your friend, about tywanza? >> i just want people to understand, you know, as i was saying before, how genuine of a person he was and how caring he was, and how everybody's been saying, how, you know, he took his last breath trying to save his family and protect the others there. so i just, you know, i want to let everyone know how imperative it is to understand the kind of person he was, the integrity he had, and how caring he was. >> and to know what the price of this loss is. i mean, these were the best of charleston, these people who were here in an expression of

faith. >> exactly. >> was faith important to tywanza? >> 100%. he was dedicated to his church, dedicated to his family. faith was extremely important. his family instilled that in him, like they did in all of us, you know, growing up, that's a major part of how we grew up. >> the fact that he would be here -- >> any of us. he'd probably be out here singing and chanting with everybody else. >> yeah. to see so many people come out and want to honor your friend and remember your friend and all the others, what is that -- >> it's phenomenal. i definitely didn't expect this out here tonight. it's just mind blowing to see all these people out here and this is not it, you know? there are some people up the street. there are people all around, you know, trying to, you know, put the memories together for everyone that was lost and

trying to represent for the city. so -- >> you have -- there's obviously a fund that's going to be starting. i think they're getting the website up now and we're going to put that up on our screen. but you've also, you have a scholarship fund that you started last year in -- was it in your high school? >> we started it in the high school with some friends. it's called the race for achievement scholarship. it was some friends that came together, a group of us -- >> tywanza was involved -- >> he was affiliated with it. >> but you've now renamed it after him. >> we had to. once i knew what had happened, i knew that it was necessary. >> and you have a website, i know, in case people are -- >> right now we're still getting the paperwork situated to make sure everything is legal and put together correctly. so we want people that want to reach out, not only to give to the church, for everyone, but for our group, if you're interested, the website is tywanzasandersscholarship@gmail. com, well, the e-mail address, so you can reach out to us. >> listen, thank you for talking to us. >> it's a pleasure. >> thank you for having us. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. we remember all nine of those who were killed, who were murdered. this senseless tragedy. each strong in faith and family. you'll see how each made a difference, coming up.

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throw the day, hundreds of people want to be here, nay want to pay their respecteds. others are giving flowers and teddy bears. it's this kind of makeshift memorial we see too often in the wake of tragedies like this. there have been too many tragedies like this. but, for the city of charleston, this continues to be a shock to residents in this community. people just want to be here. they spend some time, say some prayers like that young man right there. try to make sense of something which is impossible to make sense of. >> and there are hundreds of people here now, singing outside the church, right in front of that memorial. that was earlier today. this is the scene. hundreds have gathered here, and you hear them singing. people holding hands. there is strength in numbers

here. amazing grace, just 48 hours after this tragedy. there are difficult days ahead in this city. there's no doubt about that. there are nine funerals that have to be planned. nine families have to say their good-byes. six women and three men are gone, but they will certainly never be forgotten, and the message here from so many people, we have heard in church pews and on the street that is in the face of horror, in the face of hate, we shall overcome. ♪ we shall overcome ♪ we shall overcome ♪ we shall overcome ♪ we shall overcome ♪ we shall overcome ♪ oh, yeah ♪ ♪

>> we shall overcome. and when you see the outpouring of love, the outpouring of support, the hundreds of people who are here right now, you can believe the words of that song. >> we shall overcome. and when you see the outpouring of love, the outpouring of

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throughout the day, others bring teddy bears and signs. it's seen too often in the wake of tragedies like this. there have been too many tragedies like this. but, for the city of charleston, this continues to be a shock to residents that has shaken this community. try to make sense of something that is impossible to make sense out of. hundreds of people have gathered. they're in song, they're

amazing grace. there are nine funerals that have to be planned. nine families have to say their good-byes. six women and three men are gone, but they will certainly never be forgotten. the message here from so many people we have heard in church pews in the face of horror, we shall overcome. ♪ we shall overcome

we shall overcome. when you see the hundreds of people standing outside the church, you believe the words of that song are true. we shall overcome. miami sneaks up on you. or do we change and find ourselves sneaking up, washing up, ending up in miami? ♪ i took a walk through this beautiful rld