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horrific massacre happened. this is what we've been seeing signs of love the lines here the steady stream of people stopping by to pay their respects to these nine victims who lost their lives here has been nonstop since this pretty much happened since they've been able to get closer to the church. there are balloons there are flowers. we've been hearing prayers, we've been hearing people singing hymns. people really coming together here poppy. to honor these victims. >> as they should. they will be remembered in a beautiful ceremony tomorrow morning at 9:30 a.m. eastern at that church cnn will carry it live for everyone. alina machado, thank you for the reporting reporting. i'm poppy harlow joining you in new york. it's 6:00 eastern, top of the hour here and we begin with our breaking news from new york state. the two men who escaped from a
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maximum security prison in upstate new york there has been a possible sighting of them that possible sighting taking place right on the state line between new york and pennsylvania. our deborah feyorik citing law enforcement sources, there was a credible sighting of the two men in friendship in new york state, along the pennsylvania border. heavily armed police and law enforcement agents are walking along key railroad tracks. they were armed with shotguns rifles and firearms. this as we have now learned that on tuesday, other sources called in to the authorities telling them there were other possible sightings of both of these convicted killers. it has been 14 days since they escaped from prison. earlier this week we were told the trail had gone cold. this manhunt has intensified.
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a local reporter was told by authorities to leave an area that was deemed to be a hot zone for activity. i want to bring in sarah right outside of that prison. what are you learning? >> we're learning that authorities are converging on this area in friendship new york just north of the border with pennsylvania and not far from where there was two potential sightings last weekend. i just got off the phone with someone who lives within the perimeter that's been set up there in friendship new york. he told me there has been a perimeter set around this town no one is getting in without showing their driver's license, that there are car checks taking place, helicopters in the air. he told me this is a one horse town. they have one traffic light, heavily surrounded by wooded areas. very rural area. he was at a church that's about two miles away from the area
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that police are very heavily concentrated in. they're doing grid searches. he told me the perimeter is clearly surrounding the town they don't want people going in or out. they're asking people to stay in their homes, and not to leave unless it's absolutely essential. another man who i spoke to not long ago who is in a cemetery very close to where the state police searches are concentrated told me there's been a chopper hovering over him for more than an hour that he sees troopers up and down along a creek near a highway and also a railroad and that is very important, because that railroad we can see on the map, leads directly to the town where that potential sighting was last wukds. authorities are reviewing foot around to see if it was those two inmates.
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cnn's deborah feyorik getting from her sources this is a credible lead. from the reports we're getting on the ground it sure seems that way. >> that's not something we've heard uttered at all, credible lead. stand by let me bring in former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. how did they get all the bodies they needed to secure the area before night fall? >> because the county doesn't have a large city or large urban population that means there's not as many police officers to draw on. so they have to come from further away it will take them several hours to get there. it may be dark by the time most of them arrive. they're going to maintain a perimeter, if the individuals are still inside that wooded area inside what will become the full perimeter, which is a big if. then you have these officers
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arriving they're going to be doing the search it's going to be dark. the local citizens are afraid. it's a difficult situation for everyone. >> do they keep doing it throughout the night, though? >> i don't think they'll go into the woods for the night. they'll try to if they can, establish the perimeter, they'll keep the helicopters with infrared search capabilities in the air, looking for people moving around and probably try to keep the police officers set around the perimeter to maintain that location. >> back to you. if you're still with us we've also learned in the last 24 hours, one of these correctional officers at the prison was put on administrateive leave. obviously that means the authorities think they had some hand in some way or knowledge potentially about this. is it just circumstance that we're finding out about that today as this is going on could that person help lead the authorities to matt and sweat? >> there's always that
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potential. we know there's been a very intense on going investigation, not just of the escape but what was going on in that prison in the days and weeks leading up to that escape. the district attorney the department of corrections, the governor calling for an investigation of what was going on inside. we know from the d.a. that he has said from the beginning there was always the potential that there were more people that helped these two in some way, even if it was a small way, helped them escape it was clearly an elaborate plan. joyce mitchell who was arrested last week and charged with bringing them tools. that seemed to be a critical step in their escape but now we're learning there is a male corrections officer who is part of the investigation put on administrative leave. we don't have many more details other than the fact that he was put on administrative leave, this is part of an on going investigation, the l.a. has always said more charges could always come. poppy? >> you've spoke on the phone with an elderly man that lives
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in this neighborhood where this intense manhunt is going on right now, he's really really scared. >> he's very central to where the concentrated manhunt is. a very intense part of it. he's an 80-year-old man, a caretaker for a cemetery which is right in the middle of this right near the creek, right near the railroad and the highway where the most intense part of this search is happening right now. he said i'm scared i'm sitting here with a rifle, i think they're really serious, they've seen someone, i just hope they catch them otherwise it will make for a long night. just two miles away there's a church and i talked to someone who answered the phone at the church. the perimeter is much larger than that it encampuses the town of friendship that no one is getting in without showing state police their driver's license to prove they live there, and that -- he said the whole town is on lock down.
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>> for our viewers that's what you're looking at now. in from our affiliate in allegheny county new york. a roadblock, anyone who wants to get in or out of friendship has a roadblock. we heard from one of the residents today. the person we talked to as you know, you spoke to him as well. they're checking their cars and taking all precautions they can. that's what you're looking at. stand by with me as i bring tom fuentes back in. they're doing what they can. they're doing what they can, but sort of what is the next step i wonder we've got this reporting from our deborah feyorik. a lot of what they give that credence to is these footprints. next to the railroad tracks. would you assume there is information authorities have that we're not hearing about right now? >> they might. but i think if they had information as to where these
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guys might be they would put it out for the safety of the public if nothing else. something else we have to keep in mind you run a big operation like this you can't just say, let's send 800 cops into this county. it takes a while for them to get there. get back in their cars now logistics is credible. how do you feed all these police officers. how many hotel rooms are in the area to put them up. how do you support this massive effort that's now going to be ongoing for several days in that area. you know that's another concern. >> if you take a look at the map. i think we can pull it full screen. if you look at the distance the clinton correctional facility 20 miles south of the canadian border 350 miles away from where this intensified manhunt is focused on. do you, if you're leading this operation, do you pull your officers away from the prison area where they've been searching. if you're wrong. you have to get them back up there.
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>> i think what i'd be looking at here is the additional manpower from pennsylvania state police. it's so close. so much affects them. especially if these two escaped the net before they could get it set um would be in pennsylvania. it would be up to the pennsylvania authorities to participate in this. they could get a lot of manpower there more quickly than what state troopers can do. >> if you're just joining us breaking news on cnn. a credible sighting to most wanted fugitives richard matt and david squet. a credible sighting has been called in. it is a credible sighting right in the town of friendship just north of the pennsylvania boarder, it's in friendship new york. heavily armed police and law enforcement agents are walking
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i'm poppy harlow in new york we are continuing to follow the breaking news in new york state right now, a possible major breakthrough in the intense manhunt for two murderers who broke out of prison. a huge spike in police activity in south western new york state. in allegheny county to be specific. right near the new york/pennsylvania state line. police are covering and converging on what they call a credible sighting of these two men who fit the descriptions of richard matt and david sweat. they are considered very dangerous. according to the sheriff's office a county resident called in a tip that the two men they believe they sighted the two men near that town of friend ship. a very small town as you see the police checks and stops are going on for everyone right now, trying to get in and out.
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joining me now we have sarah gannon on the ground now. also joining me former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, and i believe we have rick shwine on the phone with me a former fbi special agent. rick are you with me? >> yes. >> rick thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. you led the manhunt for eric rudolph, the centennial park bomber back in 1996 and you're on camera with us i appreciate you being with me. what can you tell me about what is going on right now? you led one of these manhunts before when you're talking about a search 350 miles away from where they were just searching for these men, what do you do at this point in time, when you don't have the manpower you need to put up this
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perimeter? >> that's the important point, you need to establish a perimeter. your priority has to be the safety of the residents in that geographic area. it's going to be a challenge for law enforcement to get that quickly established and to coordinate with the local state and federal authorities that are all converging on that spot. the good news is this could be that tipping point that leads to their arrest. >> it absolutely could. stand by rick also with me sarah and tom fuentes, i want to play this for our viewers. one of the local reporters on the scene just filed this report. let's roll it. >> i'm here on route 86 in allegheny county just outside friendship. just a few miles away from what state troopers are calling a hotspot. traffic is really backed up here police have a checkpoint set up where they appear to be checking cars.
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you just saw a chopper circling over the area near east maple grove road. every few miles in friendship you'll see a state patrol team just keeping an eye on things. neighbors that live nearby heard there has been a suspicious sighting in the area that's all they're telling them. last reports were on tracks in east maple grove, the hotspot i mentioned to you, we were directed away from that area and told to go north. law enforcement is breaking the area up right now into grids and searching for any potential crews that way. law enforcement has been clearinghouses in friendship. according to residents, the two escaped inmates were spotted in friendship. again, this is a live and active scene. at this point we have more questions than answers. we will be following this story throughout the night, we'll have live updates for you regularly. stick with us on the air and
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online at wivb.com. you can follow us on social media media. >> jen thank you for that report. we appreciate it. deborah feyorik working her law enforcement sources, what are you hearing? >> what we're hearing is that authorities did find tracks near an area of ailllegany county. there have been several sightings over the last few days. surveillance tape with images of two men. it was too far, too grainy. we are told by an emergency response person that heavily armed police and law enforcement
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are walking along the railroad tracks. prison the prison correctional facility is in an area where a lot of freight trains pass through. one of the working theorys, even two weeks ago, was that perhaps these two men jumped one of the trains. and when you look at the distance that's been covered so far, clearly that is going to be a part of the investigation as to how they got there, but that critical sighting was near the town of friendship new york just north of pennsylvania border. >> is this the first time in these two weeks since these mennes caped that there has been a credible sighting of them? that authorities are taking them seriously. >> there have been a lot of tips. police were looking for patterns to the tips to see which ones could pan out. so many are coming in. they can't go chasing all of
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them but what they can do is find those that seem to have big potential. this is one of those particular tips. that's why they're sending so many resources there, you have to keep in mind you have a new york state trooper barracks in buffalo and albany. we're told that law enforcement agents are walking the railroad tracks they're heavily armed, they have shotguns long rifles. they're approaching it from a number of directions. this way, if those two men decide to run, the hope is at least law enforcement will be able to capture them sort of setting a wide net that these two guys run into. but again, it seems to be positive and the distance they travelled suggests they didn't do it on foot that they may have either jumped a train or another mode of transportation. poppy? >> deborah feyerick reporting for us. let me go to sarah gannon.
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sarah. i wonder if you're hearing how much of a shift they're making of their resources? >> up until this night, the search was mostly concentrates into this area 13 square miles around the prison. we saw an hour ago, the command post left. it was here this morning, it is no longer here. there were 800 different law enforcement officers on the ground for the last two weeks here. it's probable that they're now making their way out of town to this new search area to assist with this new credible lead. something else i want to point out to you. last weekend when i talked to the district attorney he gave us details about what the plan was, what the escaped plan was, according to the prison seam stress who had brought them the tools they used to help -- to cut their way out of the jail.
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she was told by knees men to be ready to pick them up in the middle of the night, and to be ready to drive for about seven hours, to a location she wasn't told where they were going, be ready to drive for seven hours. friendship new york is about six and a half seven hours drive from where we are. i just wanted to know that to you, poppy, and i want to tell you something else that's interesting. the weather forecast it's going to thunderstorm in friendship new york that was a huge hindrance here in the first week of the search. the canine units who were here picked up the scent of these two men at a gas station he very close to the prison lost it when it rained. they stopped being able to track those men on foot. it's going to thunderstorm in friendship new york so that could be something that law
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enforcement is dealing with yet again in this search. my sources telling me that while it is a credible lead i did hear just moments ago, there is nothing confirmed, that it is actually the escapees no confirmation that was was seen there. this sighting is those two escapees they have set up a large perimeter around this town. poppy? >> when you talk about a credible lead thank you for that. those are the words used from a law enforcement source to our deborah feyerick. you say this is a lead a good lead and a credible lead. >> they go in and interview the person who made the sighting. is he coherent drunk, can he see straight? >> does that mean they go in person? >> yeah they would talk to him and get as many information as possible what direction, what were they wearing exactly, how
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tall, how heavy? their skin what were they carrying? where did you see them? where were they? where were you. you try to get all of that type of information, if they think this person being sincere isn't making it up to become famous isn't just putting something out there to watch the police activity that's going to happen they call it credible. >> it's an important point, could these convicted murderers call in tips knowingly false tips to lead them elsewhere? >> if they were somewhere else and called it in, you would have a long distance phone call coming in saying we're in frederick, new york. >> they track that within seconds. >> that would be difficult to do. there are ways to make anonymous calls. they wouldn't call that a credible tip. they couldn't get ahold of the person that made the complaint
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or the call. if it's a citizen of the town people know them. person's known to be reliable. and relatively intelligent, they'll look at it and take it more seriously. >> what do you make of the fact of this potential coincidence that the d.a. told her last week, these guys told joyce mitchell they were going to drive seven hours away. the area where the intensified manhunt is right now, is six and a half hours away from the prison. >> i find it hard to believe they would leave the jail that night, drive six and a half hours and not go anywhere else. and wander around people's backyards or railroad tracks and get cited. we talked about that the first day, the head start they got, could put them halfway to chicago, new york city all over including canada. that was a distinct possibility, did they have a plan b, or was joyce really a diversion, and
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all along they made phone calls to have someone else pick them up somewhere near the prison get them out of town get them a long way out of town and have that kind of head start on the authorities many. they had plenty of opportunity to be much further distance away. >> tom fuentes appreciate the expertise. stay with me. also we have on the phone a former fbi special agent. he will stay with us. we're going to take a quick break, much of this breaking news next. pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet... ...served my country... ...carried the weight of a family... ...and walked a daughter down the aisle. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda-approved to treat this pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new, or worsening depression
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two weeks ago today. sarah gannon is outside near where there was a credible sighting of the two men. it's 350 miles away from where you are, what do you know? >> police have swarmed this area this is a very active search scene doing a little research in this area. what these two inmates might know about this area to give you a little background. david sweat had lived in binghamton new york and richard matt had committed his murder which he was in prison for in tanawanda new york which is about 1:45 minutes away from friendship. both of them having some close ties to the surrounding area last weekend when the search was
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more concentrated to this prison area to the area around the prison here you can the district attorney told me a couple interesting things joyce mitchell the prison seam stress who was supposed to pick them up the night they escaped was told she was going to drive them about seven hours away from here to the location the two inmates picked. she claimed not to know. seven hours away is about the drive time just a little more than the drive time from here to friendship where the active search is currently happening. acquaintances of these two convicted murderers were contacted to see if they made contact with anyone were they planning to stay with people they knew or use them to help get out of town? he said at that point they had not heard from any of their acquaintances. i'm sorry, at that point police had made contact with the friends and acquaintances and
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family members, those friends and family members had not heard from the two inmates. i want to bring up cell phones those two inmates were seen by other inmates inside the correctional facility before they escaped with cell phones. other inmates saw them with cell phones. police could not confirm. could not say whether or not they believe they still had them after they escaped. the district attorney was hesitant to tell us if phone records or cell records had aided them in anyway in their search. >> very good point. thank you, stand by. i want to go to rick. he led the manhunt for eric rudolph, the centennial park bomber in 1996 who was able to flee and live on the lamb for five years. when you look at similarities between these cases, someone being in a heavily wooded area,
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being able to sustain themselves and survive, what comparisons can you draw and also what has been learned from that hunt and applied to this. >> rudolph was an outdoors man. he knew the area he was in. living off the land for extended periods of time. he was in the military where he had survival training. rudolph went on the run, rudolph had a plan to escape he had cashed supplies of course when he went to that kach they had gotten wet and didn't do him any good. he stayed away from his social network i think you made an
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important point earlier. family friends acquaintances, as well as the use of technology the potential tracking of cellular telephones those are things that investigators are going to key in on if they can determine the number of phones these gentlemen have with them that can be a key to their capture, these are two completely different situations rudolph and these escapees. >> thank you, stand by. stay with us i wab the to talk about it. 30 years in law enforcement, to you, matthew, when you look at this what are the concerns that tom brought up this focus has been so far away from the manhunt, how do you get the manpower you need down there to secure this perimeter? >> we're working into nightfall right now, that's going to be one challenge. it's already difficult enough during great conditions at
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night it's going to be difficult. i think we should remember one thing here. there's a difference between leads and credible sightings. what that means is we shift the focus of the perimeter, we extend it out and go from one place to the other. i'm sure between the government, the state police in pennsylvania and new york whenever we get credible sightings, we're going to focus on those areas. >> i hope so was it quick enough when they got out that first night? >> they had a 7 hour head start. here in this case they're going to have a several hour head start before the perimeter is fully established. i don't know that it is yet. yes, the main road, roadblocks, they're checking for the hiking and the path. the tracks that went along the railroad tracks. but to get enough police officers to secure an area that big and to get them out there quickly from all over the state, what is a very rural area that's a challenge, and again, we've talked about darkness is
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approaching. >> let's talk to our viewers joining us on this breaking news. tell us again what a credible sighting means. >> they talk to the individual who made the sighting it could be real. it's a person of relative -- someone is not trying to make this up or they're suspicious about why this person called this in or trying to be famous or they're not right. >> something they verified in person? >> i would say yes, at some point, before you're going to devote 1,000 officers to this area they're going to talk to that person directly and get as many facts as they can. what the suspects looked like what they were wearing, what were they carrying. how far away were they when they were spotted 37 what were the lighting conditions, did you see their faces. all of that would be considering that whoever did the interview with the person who made the sighting would try to verify and say, okay this looks like this is possible. >> let's remember other things also. there are photos of these two
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gentlemen that have gone throughout the country and overseas. there are composite photos as to what they would look like right now, if they had hair if they shaved their heads are different things. rural area two men who fit the description walking along the road. >> thank you, stand by. sarah gannon reporting for us right outside of clinton correctional facility in upstate new york. as we continue to follow the breaking news on the intensified manhunt of richard matt and david sweat being called into the authorities. you know our new rope has actually passed all the tests. we're ready to start with production. ok, are you doing test markets like last time? uh, no we're going to roll out globally. ok. we'll start working on some financing options right away. thanks, joe. oh, yeah. it's a game-changer for the rock-climbing industry. this is one strong rope! huh joe? oh, yeah it's incredible! how you doing team? jeff you good? [jeff] i think i dropped my keys. [announcer] you work hard to build your company.
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weeks. sources telling deborah feyerick there was a credible sighting near the town of friendship new york. additionally the sheriff's office saying that someone phoned in a tip that led authorities to local railroad tracks right near there as well. police walking the tracks heavily armed with shotguns long rifles and other firearms. this area just to give you perspective. we're talking about a small town located in allegany county new york. it's south-southwest of the clinton correctional facility that matt and sweat broke out of two weeks ago. law enforcement designating the area is a hotspot. they've told any reporters on the ground to move out of the region. let's go now to our complete team coverage outside of clinton correctional facility. we also have with me here in new york tom fuentes, with me former atf agent matthew horace
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and on scape, we have a former fbi special agent. let me begin with you. given this credible sighting has been called in what is going on in this manhunt? >> law enforcement has to establish a good perimeter. they also have to have paramount in their concerns is the safety of the public that lives within that perimeter, it's a difficult to thing to do it requires a lot of manpower and coordination, because you're going to have a response from numerous state, local and federal agencies. additionally, as my atf colleague indicated, it can be good news and bad news. it allows people cover so they can move unobserved. but certainly law enforcement has technology they can utilize to their advantage during periods of darkness. >> rick thank you, stay with me let's talk about some of the technology tom. >> main technology would be
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infrared and helicopters. you see the helicopters circling a human body or an animal body will leave the heat signature that shows up as a light color on the infrared screen. the cooler brown and trees would be a darker color. it makes the person look like a ghost on the ground. as it gets darker and cooler that will show up even stronger. because the body is warm the blood is warm. it will make that as a danger now. they're predicting thunderstorms, if there's severe weather they won't be able to fly. that had come up several times earlier when they had torrential downpours and all of that. the technology is great, if they can fly it getting up there, depending on how many helicopters and plains they have to deploy that will be important. >> you bring in new law enforcement sources. you bring in new bodies in this
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search to this area or do you take some of those 800 around there, and you move them down? >> it's been my experience working at the federal government. you're dealing with two geographical areas, you have case agents that are on the case. they have the most information and the most intel against on the ground. moving into pennsylvania now, we may be bringing in more resources in pennsylvania including the state police the fbi, united states marshalls and others. we're able to galvanize dozens and dozens of people very quickly when it's a priority for us. >> thank you very much. thank you to you as well. we're going to take a quick break, much more of our breaking news next. ♪ ♪ hp instant ink
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as we continue to follow the breaking news in that manhunt for those convicted murderers that escaped from a prison in new york. charleston's emanuel church will re-open its doors for worship tomorrow. it will hold a special service at 9:30 a.m. tomorrow morning. a racist manifesto reportedly written by the gunman surfaced online today and accompanied by these troubling photos. the statement is laden with racist remarks. the gunman remains locked up under suicide watch. and alina, let me begin with you. what does this manifesto say? >> reporter: it says what you would expect from somebody who
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did what authorities say he did. again, i want to clarify, the author of this manifesto, we have not been able to authenticate that in fact it was dylan roof but the website has been registered to dylan roof and at this point authorities are trying to figure out if darin roof is the author of this manifesto. there are statements that were made, disturbing and inflammatory statements against blacks and minority, and he talks about the -- the author talks about the reason for choosing charleston. this is what it says. i have no choice. i am not in the position to alone go into the ghetto and fight. i chose charleston because it's the most historic city in my state and had the highest ratio
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of blacks to whites. somebody has to have the bravery to take it to the real world and that has to be me. chilling words, if in fact it comes out that dylan roof was the author of this manifesto. >> absolutely. it's hard to get your head around what could drive somebody to do as horrific as this and there is so much more he has said and written. i want to go to martin savidge. you are on the ground there. i am interested in what is happening behind you. it's a gathering of sorts. >> reporter: yeah this is usually the time, poppy, especially in the evening that the crowd in front of the church begins to swell, and the street has been closed down. we just had a very large demon administration go by. it was a mixture of various groups and causes as you can tell but what was striking was
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despite the hundreds of people that came past this spot it was absolutely silent. usually protests of this kind you hear chants and statements being made but total silence, and it was a mixed crowd of people all races and back grounds, and families, and some were emotionally upset. this church this space here continues to draw people in. it's a place where they still feel greatly a sense of shock and it's a community coming together. there is preaching that goes on. if you hear shouting in the background, it's that. there are hymns sung and this has become the focus of everybody's grief, and there are people traveling around this region that have decided this is where they must be and tomorrow it's going to be amplified with the church service.
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>> absolutely. a beautiful site it will be of that community coming together. we will carry that live for you tomorrow morning on "state of the union." after dylan roof was identified a noted gospel musician wrote a message, and it was not of hate but love and understanding. marcus stanley is a victim of gun violence and was shot eight times and he joins me now. >> grateful to be with you tonight, poppy. >> you wrote this i don't look at you with the eyes of hatred i look at you as a human being that made a horrible decision to take the lives of nine living and breathing people. where did you find it in your heart to write that? >> it was in my heart because i have been in the same position of feeling isolated and feeling
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alone. after my shooting in 2004 i withdrew and plunged deep into addiction, and even though i did not go through the same exact thing of what dylan was going through, and if he had not been captured already i would have reached out to him. >> you also wrote in this world we are born color-blind and somewhere along the line you were taught to hate people that are not like you, and that is truly tragic. and it sounds like you are placing the blame on people around him, his environment? >> it's 100% his insaoeurpbment. we have to do what we can as a nation, and we don't see the color within each other, and the color is dividing us and martin luther king his best friend was
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caucasian, and he was told he couldn't play with him because they were a different race so i said that to say, children are born color-blind, they don't see color but are taught to hate each other. >> some people watching this and we have seen this unbelievable outpouring of forgiveness from some of the family members of the victims who were murdered saying i will never for get and will always be in pain but i forgive you. and other people watching this may say how can you forgive somebody like that that trove 120 miles to carry out a preplanned massacre. what do you say to them? >> it's impossible to forgive and the only way you can foregive is through the hope of jesus. i reached out to the person that shot me and i told him i forgive him and he didn't say anything back to me at all, and
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forgiveness is not about how you feel about a person but it's about releasing it and being free. i know this is a process. i know the families are hurting, and i know they are going to have to cry tears and mourn, but the whole plan for them and my prayer for them is they will get to a point where they can forgive him, and i saw this week that they have already established that part which is phenomenal. it took me years to get there. i see the unity rising within the country and it's a beautiful thing in such a dark time. >> what do you think is the most important thing that can come out of what we are seeing, this unification of people in charleston and across the country. with a do you want to see happen? >> i want to see that one day, you know we would not look at each other as divided, and i would like to see everybody unify and come together. there are so many things that divide us and it's not just a race thing, i feel it's a
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disrespect for life for quality of life because it's all races across the board, and my prayers, it's we will see value. >> you have a big heart, my friend. >> great to be with you tonight. god bless you. >> you, too. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. 7:00 eastern, and we begin this evening with breaking news. a possible major break through in the intense manhunt for two that broke out of a maximum security prison two weeks ago. there's a huge spike in southwestern new york states specifically in allegheny county near the town of friendship. police are converging on what they call a credible
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