welcome back. charleston known as the holy city because its skyline is marked by church steeples not skyscrapers, as well the tradition here of religious tolerance. this morning all of the churches in the city are set to ring their bells in unison to remember the lives lost here this week. let's take a listen. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ i won't let you fall ♪ ♪ [ ringing of bells ]

he city. i'm joined by dr. russell moore. it's an interesting dichotomy to hear the very uplifting gospel song here at mother emanuel ame church while also hearing in the background from churches all across the city very solemn bells ringing in memorial for the nine people killed. almost encapsulating in a way the spirit of the day. >> that's exactly right. it's quintessentially christian. our emblem is a cross which is an instrument of torture and death but also a symbol of hope. when i see all of this i am reminded of what the bible says. we grieve but not as those who have no hope. this white sue prem sist could

not harm them because as a christian i believe there is resurrection from the dead hope for the future. that's what this community is doing. they're grieving for the loss. they see it as something that is a true tragedy, but they don't do so without hope. the blending of lament and hope together is the very best of what it means to be christian. >> it's beautiful. let's go back inside and watch some of this hope firsthand. ♪ ♪

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amen! >> amen! >> the spirit of the living god is in this place. for that we say thank you. we come now to receive a morning offering, and we ask that you govern yourselves accordingly. the ushers will come now and serve you where you are. as a reminder to all of us god loves a cheerful giver. and it's not just about your money. it's about your time and your talents given unto his people and your service unto him.

to whom much is given, much is required. for that we say thank you. what for what god has already done. come now. the ushers will direct us in our giving. k we'll go right back inside the mother emanuel ame church. stay with us.

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we're live outside the mother emanuel ame church where beautiful services are going on inside. and outside of which a huge crowd has gathered this sunday morning in the about 90-degree weather. hundreds if not thousands are standing in solidarity with the families and friends of the victims of shooting here this horrific racist terrorist act this past wednesday. i'm with cnn political commentator van jones. during the commercial we were talking about something. share it with the viewers. i thought it was quite beautiful in terms of the theology. the difference in the black church between happiness and joy. this is joy. >> this is joy. people watching at home just may not understand how can they be dancing, how can they be

singing, how can there be this spirit of enthusiasm in the wake of this horror. there is a distinction between happiness, external circumstances are good so we're happy, versus joy. we say hallelujah any how. i can find something inside myself inside my circumstance inside my faith, inside my family inside of who we are. to find joy any how. you have to pull that out now. that's not happiness. that's joy. and joy has a power to heal people. and unfortunately in this part of the country the african-american community has had to practice joy anyhow hallelujah anyhow. that's what you're seeing. >> we heard some of those sentiments earlier expressed when the reverend or whoever is filling in for the reverend pinckney who was slaughtered on wednesday who said that the nine

individuals who were so horrifically killed have been taken from us but we know we will see them. they just left before us a little bit. >> exactly. you hear this talking about love. love will find a way. love will have the final word. you'll hear that over and over again. the hatred that was demonstrated can only be met and defeated by love. dr. king said hatred cannot drive out hatred. only love can do that. we have a moral strength in this country coming from the black church. dr. king is considered the final founder. it took 200 years to truly find a democracy here. he was the final founder. the stone he laid was a stone about love and redemption and forgiveness. let's not take it for granted. it is incredibly difficult to do what they're doing here. this is olympic level performance of love. an olympic level, world-class level performance of forgiveness. we've almost come to expect that

from the black community. we care just as much about these victims as we do about victims anywhere in the world, yet this moral reserve. the other thing i want to say as well is that it takes something to be a parent today of black children. when you have the trayvon martins, the baltimores these types of things. and it requires us to explain things to our children. you don't want to have to explain to children. you don't want to have to explain to grown people. you have to rely on the theology. you have to rely on the deeper wisdom that's been earned in blood and tears over the centuries here. i think part of the reason some african-americans get so frustrated that, oh well this is an isolated incident. if this were this community would not have the deep reserves to draw upon. it's proof this is something our community has had to learn to come to terms with again and again. racial violence directed against us. racial violence directed against our church. proves look at the levels of

performance. you can't pull this out of your hat on any given sunday. it has to be a deeply rooted part of your faith and experience and theology and tradition. i am proud of the black church today to show that we cannot be driven to hatred even by these acts. >> one of the most remarkable things i think we saw last week when family members of the nine innocent souls taken from us wednesday night spoke at the judicial hearing, at the -- at the bond hearing or whatever it was of this evil racist whose name i'm not going to use. and for gave him. >> yeah. >> told them that they for gave him. hours, hours after their loved ones were killed. >> that was shocking even within the black church because it showed a level of grace that is very hard to understand and very very hard to comprehend. i think, for me you know when you saw the african-american

police officer standing behind the racist terrorist, and the look on his face as he heard those words too. he heard the words at the same time that the alleged murderer heard the words. there was a look of pain and also pride on his face. i think that look of pain and pride is something that all americans should stand with. but, again, for me i know these songs. i grew up in the cme church. very close to the ame church. we are very close. in tennessee. i was born in the black church. i have been to a lot of funerals. i wish that we had less practice going to funerals between the street violence the hate violence. sometimes unlawful police violence. unfortunately now we have a culture where we know how to do funerals. let's not take it for granted. let's -- i want other leaders to step forward and say, you know what something is wrong. we hear you.

we shouldn't be over and over again on cnn showing funerals. white, black, let's sit down now. let's find a way forward. there are christian white conservatives who know these songs too. there are christian white conservatives who know this theology and liturgy to. that should be a basis to come together. you cannot defeat demons as a christian unless you face them. there are demons that we don't want to face in our country. and that's why it's hard to overcome them. let's go back inside the church. led by reverend clemente pinckney. reverend dr. daniel simmons, sharonda singleton. tywanza sanders, sister cynthia hurd myra thompson sister

ethel lance, sister susie jackson. reminded this morning about the freshness of death, comes like a thief in the night. but i declare that jesus said it a long time ago. he said i am the resurrection. and the life. come now. the altar is open. bring your burdens to the lord and leave them there. whether you're praying for yourself or the nine families. realizing that earth has no sorrow. that heaven cannot heal. come. ♪

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welcome back. we're listening to the minister's sermon right now. after this we expect to hear the sermon that would have been delivered by the reverend clent clementa pinckney had he not been senselessly slaughtered last week. let's go back inside and listen. >> this i know. bible. bible tells us so. pray for our children. and as we try to make sense of the nonsense we pray that god will give us the clarity of thought to share with them.

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welcome back to cnn. we are bringing to you live services at mother emanuel ame church in downtown charleston south carolina the police tape was up but it has now been taken down. the pews are filled and we are bringing you the services. we will bring you the sermon live when that starts. before that starts a couple thoughts from cnn commentator van jones. van, it has not escaped my notice nor yours that there are thousands of people outside here bearing witness, listening to the services coming together and the overwhelming majority of the crowd outside is white. >> absolutely. part of i think what's so

shocking. got here yesterday, didn't know what to expect. the coming together in this town is unbelievable. there are white churches that at 10:00 began ringing bells. and there were bells ringing literally across this city. and the local news was showing different congregations of people and they were in tears. the white community here is as heartbroken as the black community is here. i don't know if people are seeing that. if that spirit of reconciliation could ripple across the country. there are white people out here who are breaking down sobbing as much and more than the people in the church. at least the people in the church have the music to uplift them. out out here you are just confronted with the flowers and the pictures and the grief. you hear the echos. you're not held in the church. it is not cold out here. it is not out here. and they're not leaving. so i hope that people who are watching at home -- listen if they can come together here if

they can reach out to each other here and reach out and show gestures and love and support here why can't we do that across the country. here you can understand division. there is none. there is none. so something is happening here in charleston. i'm proud that we're showing it. i'm proud of you for calling it what it is when you say it is racist terrorism. we can't defeat demons that we can't face. nothing can be overcome until at least it is faced. here they're facing the demons and they're coming together because they are facing the demons. i think there is a balm in charleston for america. and i don't have words for it. i am not usually at a loss for words. i do not have words for what i am seeing. >> it just seems as though when there is islamic terrorism, we all say we need to understand it we need to condemn it. this is america's original sin,

racism slavery. we need to call it what it is and we need to talk about the ideology that leads to an action like this. >> exactly. >> this young man, again, who i'm not going to name he was a he was a lone wolf in no different way than an isis lone wolf. >> absolutely. now what you are seeing are two different ideologies right here on the world stage. you have on ideology of hatred and one of love. an ideology of blame that is about racial hatred. we have to say that. but we also have an ideology here behind us of racial reconciliation. you can't appreciate the beauty of what you have behind you right now until you really name the hatred and the evil that have been just right behind us a few days ago. it's the ability to talk about both that gives us the ability to find meaning and to move forward truly together. those leaders in the country, in both parties of all races, who

don't want to deal with both the fact of the racial hatred but also the potential for racial reconciliation i think are leading the country right now. but white people on the street here are showing more courage and leadership and honesty than i've seen in the halls of washington d.c. they need to be given a respect for that and hopefully we can take this spirit forward. >> we'll be talking more in a little bit after the services. we'll be talking a little bit more about some of the other political issues at play here in terms of guns in terms of the confederate flag in terms of not only racism but the fear of some politicians of offending racists. and those are issues that we'll talk about in a bit. but i do think it's important to also point out that we have seen dr. moore, who is no one's idea

of a liberal, come out and say some very strong things about the confederate flag. whether you believe them or not, it is not a traditional conservative point of view. and we have seen others talk about the need for racial reconciliation. on both sides of the political aisle. as you say, it's important for us to highlight the ugliness and the hatred but also the beauty. the beauty that we see here in the hearts of the people inside those -- that church sitting at those pews their joy, as you put it and the love. i remember flying into denver after columbine, after the massacre and you could feel the grief. >> yeah. >> you could feel that the city was in mourning and the city was in pain. this town is definitely in mourning and in pain but it is a different feeling. >> yeah.

i think, again, that has its roots -- we don't like to talk about this stuff but we have to in this context. we had 230 years of enslavement here. that's where the black church was born. so it was born in grief. it was born in mourning. it was born in trying to find some way to make sense out of something that you can't make sense of. it was born in trying to find some forgiveness and understanding in a context that was unforgiving. and that moral root in the enslavement of african-americans then pushes through into the period of segregation to american apartheid. we are going to love this country despite the rejection. and we're going to love this country into its best self. dr. king becomes the best expression of that but he was not alone. you had a whole cadre of african-american preachers, male and female congregational

leaders, church leaders, choir leaders, singers, who brought that idea forward and basically finally completed the process of building a democracy. you didn't really have a true democracy in america until the 1960s when you finally got everybody with a meaningful right to vote. that process wasn't just -- it started in the 1700s but was finished by this kind of feeling you feel behind us. the feeling that you feel behind us. black and white together. that was always the song. black and white together. we shall overcome. well guess what. theologically, demons are not defeated by your grandparents and then you're fine. you have to defeat those demons in yourself in your own generation in your own time and overcome them. and hopefully that's what's beginning to happen here in charleston. there is an opportunity to confront and transcend the demons in our own generation. >> to bring everyone up to speed with what's going on right now.

v.i.p.s are being recognized. when the sermon begins we will absolutely stop talking and we'll bring that to you live. something else that doesn't escape notice van jones, is that we're on calhoun street. calhoun street. mother emanuel ame church is on a street named after a former vice president of the united states a founding father and a man who was an ardent supporter of not just segregation, of slavery. >> yes. >> and look i am from philadelphia. we have our calhouns also. >> yeah. >> the dragons little league team with the amazing pitcher, a team i love to root for. taney, former chief supreme court justice taney wrote the

dred scott decision supporting slavery. this country's founding fathers, as great as so many of them were, had some very ugly ugly beliefs. not all of them of course but many of them. >> the remarkable thing about the country is that we start off in this sort of schizophrenia. the founding reality is ugly. the founding reality has enslavement. women can't vote. the native americans are being oppressed. but there is this founding dream. you have thomas jefferson, a slave owner. >> at the very least. >> at the very least a slave owner. founding reality ugly. he writes we hold these truths to be self-evident that all are created equal. so he authors a beautiful founding dream. that's what makes america america. >> exactly. >> we continue to try to close the gap between that founding reality and its ugliness and the beauty of that founding dream. that's what america is.

that's who we are. >> right. >> now, when you say we can't deal the founding reality. we're going to throw that out. we're going to pretend we were born perfect and got worse every year you miss the point. we were born imperfect. jefferson himself, if you go to the memorial it says i tremble for my country when i reflect that god is just. he feels heart broken about the inability to overcome slavery and other birth defects. but guess what. he also says we're all created equal. so here you have in jefferson himself this struggle. we as americans carry that struggle forward. but here is the reality. we continue to close the gap. >> and we continue to strive to be better. >> yeah. >> i think that's the point. >> the thing is the people who say america is only the ugliness they're wrong. >> right. >> the people who say that there is no ugliness or our grandparents dealt with it let's move on are also wrong. what you see here in charleston is the ability to hold both. you cannot run from the hatred

here. look at the -- they literally just took the yellow tape down. >> right. >> so you can't run from the hatred but you can't run from the love either. look at this. >> it is a demonstration as close to anything i've ever seen maybe going back to the "charlie hebdo" rally in paris, where there is an evil. >> yes. >> and then there is a love that literally comes out of the hearts and souls of the general public that just beats that evil back. >> right. right. and so i wish that the people who are afraid to talk about race and racism have more confidence in the american people and have more confidence in the human spirit. we can face our demons. in fact the only way to overcome them is to face them. they're being faced here. the idea that if you raise the issue of racism you're playing the race card and making it worse, if you would just shut up and quit talking about it it will get better.

guess what. it doesn't get better. the remarkable thing is that when you do turn to face it you find a strength in the country, and you certainly find a strength in some of these communities here that i think surprises people and can inspire the world. we're going to take a very quick break here while the choir sings, and then we will be right back and bring you more of the choir and the sermon. thank you for joining us. we'll be right back. . ♪ with open hearts ♪ ♪

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. ♪ fall down ♪ beautiful sounds of the choir at mother emanuel ame church. the joy that we've been discussing here as we watch these services. we're expecting the sermon to begin after this song. let's listen in. >> ♪ joy, hallelujah ♪

♪ oh, pray ♪ ♪ hallelujah fall down ♪ ♪ fall down fall down ♪ ♪ all pray ♪ ♪ stand up and hear me joy ♪ ♪ hallelujah in your holy spirit ♪ ♪ fall down fall down ♪

♪ holy spirit of the living god ♪ ♪ hallelujah, holy spirit ♪ ♪ hallelujah, fall down ♪ ♪ fall down ♪ ♪ oh pray ♪ ♪ spirit of the living god ♪ ♪ hallelujah your holy spirit ♪ ♪ all pray ♪

♪ holy hallelujah fall down ♪ ♪ fall down all pray for me spirit of the living god ♪ ♪ hallelujah holy spirit oh, pray ♪ ♪ hallelujah. we have to fall down lord. we have to fall down. we have to fall down! we have to fall down! we have to fall down! we have to fall down! we've got to fall down! hallelujah! hallelujah!

hallelujah! hallelujah! hallelujah! hallelujah! hallelujah hallelujah! ♪ holy spirit spirit pray ♪ ♪ [ applause ] we thank god for another day's journey. >> hallelujah lord!

hallelujah! >> yeah! >> hallelujah! >> let me take this opportunity on behalf of the reverend richard franklin norris the presiding of the seventh episcopal district which encompasses the entire state of south carolina and for the more than nearly 600 churches in south carolina along with mother doctor marianne norris our episcopal supervisor i would like to take this opportunity to express once more and again their heartfelt sympathy and condolences to the nine families. including that of this church called mother emanuel.

it has been tough. it's been rough. we've -- some of us have been downright angry. but through it all god has sustained us. and has encouraged us. let us not grow weary. the only reason that bishop and mother norris is not here is because he has recently received a kidney transplant, successfully. [ applause ] >> for that we say to god -- oh you didn't hear me. to god be the glory! [ applause ] >> let me also take this

opportunity to thank the connectional church of african methodism led by bishop mcallister and the senior bishop of the church bishop john bryant and to the clergy and layity throughout the world. we thank you for your unwavering support and prayers. we also want to thank the ecumenical community for standing strong, not only here in the city of charleston but around the world have sent their heartfelt sympathy and prayers our way. but then i want to thank the good people of the city of charleston and the state