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so we begin with cnn's sara ganam at the site >> reporter: that's right, alisyn overnight, police setting up a perimeter here moving in search teams to an area 32 miles due west of where the prison facility is. you can see from the vehicle check behind me this road is directly into the town where the prison facility is. we saw a flurry of police activity last night and heard they were searching in a town along this road between here and the prison. we saw more activity 100 police vehicles terrain vehicles, tactical teams as well. we know they were focused on the wooded areas. this is a ski resort time. this is in the adirondacks of
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new york. there are hiking and biking trails, vacation homes. we know those are the places police were focused on searching for the two escaped inmates. as the search continues here and elsewhere, the investigation is continuing. over the weekend, a 57-year-old corrections officer placed on administrative paid leave from the prison. his attorney tells us he is cooperating. he was on the block where matt and sweat were housed had daily contact with the men, also knew and had contact with joyce mitchell. part of the focus on him was because he received something richard matt was making behind bars. he gave a painting to joyce mitchell, the seamstress who has been charged with helping them escape. this man's lawyer telling us
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100% he did not know about the escape before it happened and feels manipulated by the two men. listen to what he told them. >> i can 100% confirm he did not know they were planning to break out of the prison. these two people are psycho paths, they are master manipulatema manipulators manipulators. they are in prison for life. they have nothing but time to develop schemes to take advantage of innocent people. >> over the weekend, police searched his home and interviewed him at length. he was on vacation the night of the escape not working at the prison. >> thank you for those developments. investigators received a slew of tipping about the where abouts of matt and sweat including a possible sighting around the town of friendship new york. alexandra field is there with more. tell us about the sighting.
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>> reporter: good morning, alisyn. police are making it clear every good lead is worth a look. police redirected resources to an area 300 miles southwest of the prison they broke out of. allegheny county becoming the focus of the search over the weekend. some 300 law enforcement officers descending on the area at the new york/pennsylvania area scouring the woods, looking at railroad tracks and entering homes. this is based on a tip they call credible but unconfirmed. it came from a woman in new york who believed she had spotted both of the men. >> i see a man wearing a dark blue hoody, are reddish brown, scruffy beard, coming up the railroad tracks. another person with dark hair buzz cut, bigger build. my first instinct was fugitives on the run. my heart kind of dropped to my
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toes. >> after two days of searching through allegheny county police say they have concluded their search in this county. however, they are leaving extra patrols in place as caution. as we see this search once again, reshift, focusing to the north, extra resources are being brought in yet again. vermont's tactical team is being brought in to support new york state's police search. >> thank you. thousands of people in charleston south carolina came together to remember nine victims at a bible study standing contrast to the hate filled 21-year-old who hunted them. the reason for why he did this ended at a website with a manifesto explaining everything that is wrong with him. let's go live to charleston. >> reporter: chris, the focus in charleston has been on
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remembrance and healing as the hateful manifesto surfaced. lone wolf mass murderer dylann roof behind bars this morning awaiting a hearing for murder charges set for october. >> what is your age? >> 21. >> reporter: this as investigators are looking into a 2,000 racist manifesto on a website registered to the suspect, written before roof killed nine people during a bible study inside charleston south carolina's emanuel church. he became fix sated on black on white crime. the search led him to the council of conservative citizens. there, he found, quote, pages upon pages of brutal black on white murders. it's not clear what incidents he was referring to. someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world.
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i guess that has to be me. >> we have to use this in the most positive way, how we can be better and do more. >> reporter: in charleston sunday marchers joined hands in memory of the nine victims. >> only love can drive out hate. >> reporter: on sunday morning, church bells rang throughout the historic city. ♪ you can lean on me ♪ >> reporter: inside the emanuel ame church the theme was healing, not hate. >> we as a group of people can come together and pray and work out things that needs to be worked out to make our community and our state a better place. >> reporter: funeral services for all nine victims are expected to take place at some point this week. meanwhile, it is worth noting the council of conservative citizens condemned the killings but stand by the inflam tor:con
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tent on its website. >> thank you for that. now, in the wake of the charleston church massacre there is a strong debate raging as to why the confederate flag is still flying in the capitol. is it heritage or hate? we have that story live in columbia south carolina. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, michaela. you can see the con federal flag flying over my shoulder here next to the war memorial in front of the capitol building. it was moved here in 2000 after the debate. now, after what happened in the charleston church shootings and pictures emerging with dylann roof holding a confederate flag the calls to get rid of the flag are growing larger. there was a rally here over the weekend. some 1500 people showed up protesting the flag saying it
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represents slavery, racism and hate red. now the 2016 presidential candidates are feeling pressure to take a stance on the issue. democrats like hillary clinton said the flag should go. republicans have been a little more dodgy in their answers to questions. jeb bush said he believes the flag belongs in a museum. other candidates said we don't need to take a stance on this issue, it's about the states. i want you to see what some of the candidates said on the sunday shows yesterday. >> i think the opinion of people here in south carolina having them work through this difficulty is much more important. >> what is your opinion? >> everyone is being baited as if that has anything to do with running for president. my position is it most certainly does not. >> bottom line for the flag to be removed, it would take an act of the state legislature, which
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is not in session right now and it would require the vote of two-thirds majority. the governor calling for patience on the issue, saying right now, the state needs time to heal. chris? >> they wrote it in as a supermajority, as needed to deal with this flag. so let's bring in republican state representative from south carolina. he represents a conservative district and he is proposing legislation to remove the confederate flag from the grounds. what is interesting is not only proposing it now, but you are saying you should be ashamed for not having proposed it sooner. explain. >> i can't, chris. all i can do is apologize. i should have done it -- it shouldn't have taken this to bring that flag down. >> what is the revelation? what moved you, just the event itself? what made it such a necessary move? >> well obviously, the event,
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the death of my friend and his eight parishioners. it's tragic. it shouldn't have taken that and, again, i apologize. >> i know reverend pinckney was a friend of yours. you have opposition on your hands here. there are large groups of your state that believe that this flag represents who they are. what do you make of that statement? >> i think that's a form of denial. the flag needs to come down. any heritage argument, whileette it's going to be a strong argument i'm ready for the debate. and i'm ready for the fight to bring the flag down. >> what do you see as the strength of the argument. we know where the flag comes from and it was reintroduced and
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often ignored, in the late '40s, you see more support of the civil rights. that's when the flag came back. that was reintroduction of the state's symbol very telling. what do you see as the strength of argument to keep it? >> i don't have an answer to that question chris. i mean i find it hard to rationalize irrational thought. we are talking about a flag that hangs on state ground on land owned by the people of this state and, in my opinion, if even one south carolinan finds it offensive, it should not be on state land. it should not be on land where progress is supposed to take place. with that symbol we are backing up. >> it is not a symbol of pride, it is of one's hatred. you put it well there
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representing the objection of this flab. you seem to be somewhat of a minority in your party right now. is that an accurate statement? >> well i hope not, but i would say yes, but i hope not. i have had communication with many fellow republican members of the legislature. so i'm certainly hopeful that i'm not a distinct minority and that we can come up with the supermajority vote and do the right thing for the state of south carolina. >> well if you look at the current situation, the flag is flying right? that's one indication. it was a compromised vote in 2000. your party was heavily on the side of keeping the flag. you have people in the state, white ones at 70/30 to keep the flag. you have the presidential candidates who are dancing around it like it was a hot coal. they don't want to answer this question. john mccain looks back on his
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decision to skirt the question as one of the worst in his political career. what do you make of the reluctance to take this on and it seems so obvious to you now? >> from the perspective of a presidential candidate, i understand that. >> why? >> there's 49 other states they have to win. i understand that. i do not understand it from the position of an elected official in the state of south carolina. this is our issue. it's now. the time to address it is now. the governor said the other day, we need to have a conversation. no we don't need to have a conversation we need to take action. we need to take action now. >> i get it's a state move. it's something that you would have to do in there in south carolina proper. how is it not relevant as mike huckabee said to running for president? this is what started the civil war, popular sovereignty versus
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abraham lincoln saying it's about moral responsibility and things are bigger than just a popular vote. how is this not relevant to a leader decision? >> i don't have a good answer for that. i'm an elected official in south carolina. if i were running for president, i would like to tell you that i would have a position and i would take a position but i can't answer for the 20 or 30 people who are running for president right now. >> you have to deal with it if you want to win the proposition when it comes up. arguments will be made. it's good to understand the resistance. we know it's coming from a good place, a place of pain. we are sorry for your loss. again, we are sorry you had to come to it this way. >> thank you, chris. >> you take care. so what do you think? the confederate flag. take a look at the poll numbers before you decide on the
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decision. tweet us using #newday. post your comment on facebook.com/newday. we have breaking news overnight in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for sue said bombings in kobul. what do we know this morning? >> reporter: it appears they have targeted parliament when they were voting on a new defense minister. it will be a prime target for taliban. they are capable of fighting. what happened was the taliban trying to get a suicide bomber in a car, in a vehicle with explosives into the building to break the way into the building. it wasn't possible. the car exploded.
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parliament itself filled with smoke. lawmakers were evacuated. the six taliban gunmen who were accompanying the suicide vehicle trying to reach security. they weren't able to do that. they took control of another building. 31 civilians were injured. rocket propelled grenade fire ak-47 fire was heard in the area. what we now know from afghan security officials is that all six of those attackers are dead. taliban typically attacking soft targets. they are not able to get into parliament because of the tight security around there. >> concerning. thank you for that. there are flight delays and there are flight delays folks. a 21-hour ordeal for passengers on a united airlines flight from chicago. apparently the pilot had to land because of an unruly passenger. by the time the passengers were taken off the plane, the flight
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as the search for the missing fugitives shift, yet again, the investigation into how they escaped from prison is taking on a new dimension. friday officials announced a corrections officer was placed on paid administrative leave. our next guest worked at the facility more than 20 years and knows the accused officer.
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jeff just retired last year. now you are an expert on all things correction alpha silty. you know of this gene palmer. he is not charged, said to be cooperating. what do you know about this guy? what does your gut tell you? do you think he was involved? >> i personally do not believe that. i worked with him as an officer, then he was an officer underneath me when i was a sergeant. very good officer. he did what he had to do he did his job very well. i don't believe he intentionally helped these guys. my gut feeling is that somehow they may have conned him or taken a shortcut somewhere along the way in procedures during an escort and that would be about it. i don't believe that gene palmer intentionally helped these guys get out of that facility.
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>> they were able to manipulate joyce mitchell. you think manipulation may not be out of the question? >> i don't want to say they manipulated him personally. there's several hundred inmates in that building every single day for over eight hours. and gene and one other officer are the only two escort that is bring guys back and forth. at any given time he's taking at least 12 guys a day back and forth from the building to the blocks. if during the course of that they were let out of the tailor shop they were told i don't feel good i want to lay down the rest of the day, that's fine gene would take them back. maybe at that point and time they happened and they moved something that she brought in for them. i don't think he did it intentionally. >> you talk about the relationship between inmates and
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the guards. obviously, they are in there for a long time, you work there for a long time. some kind of relationships develop. i don't want to call it a friendship do friendships actually form in. >> no. there's no friendship there. it's a working relationship. there's respect given and respect taken. that's the way it is. but, there is no friendship. you have a working relationship with these guys. they have to do what the facility wants them to do throughout the day then -- so our officers come in we do our eight hours and go home. that's all it is. it's a job, not a friendship. >> "the new york times" has done an investigation and they are shining a light on what they call a series of lapses and breakdowns in security that contributed to this escape. you have been inside you know
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this facility well. they point to bed checks. the nightly bed checks were not done, rarely done properly. they talk about the cat walks and intricate tunnels. they were no longer inspected regularly. there were no guards inside the 30-foot tall guard towers and no cameras on the cell blocks. you nod. is that what you know to be true? if so did policy change? >> yes. everything that you stated is true. what has happened over the years is that the state wants the facility to run with less. so they want -- they want you to do more with less officers. it's finally come back to bite them. those security features we could have had have been taken away by
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albany. that's how they have run the whole state. it's not just clinton. years ago, 2003 when we had the escape of morgan and veil out of almira. i was there tracking those guys in the woods with the rest of the guys. when that happened the state had money allocated for the big fence with the razor wire around the facility but the state chose to use the money elsewhere. as soon as morgan and veil escaped, up goes the fence. everything is done in hindsight. >> it's interesting to see how much this put the lapses into a very fine focus right now. jeff dumas, we appreciate you coming on and giving insight on what's going on in clinton. thanks for your help today. >> thank you, michaela. >> alisyn? >> inside the mind of a suspected killer authorities
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the search for the two convicted killers on the run more than two weeks is shifting again this morning. the manhunt for richard matt and david sweat refocussing from the edge of pennsylvania to owls head new york. it's 300 miles back toward the prison from which they escaped. witnesses reporting a surge of police activity there with vermont police joining in the search. the emanuel ame church in charleston reopened. they gathered to remember those gunned down. no evil doer can close the doors
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of god's church. why the 21-year-old terrorist would commit this hate crime seems clear from a manifesto characterizing african-americans as inferior to whites. trying to determine why a united airlines flight began sparking sunday sunday. the problem was detected before it was in the air. all passengers taken off the plane, rebooked on other flights. no one was injured in that incident. take a look at this special father's day shoutout. this is the first lady sharing a throwback photo of a shirtless barack obama. >> really? did you have to say it like that? >> this is in honor of father's day. he's on the beach with daughters sasha and malia. the president had to spend the day away from the girls because they were wrapping up a trip in europe with their mom. >> a lot of people posted
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the latest now on the suspected gunman in charleston. he of course behind the church massacre there. investigators are looking into a website featuring a racist men fes toe and 60 photos of dylann roof for clues to a motive behind the attack. joining us now is former atf agent and senior vice president and chief security officer of fjc security service. >> good morning. >> nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> as an investigators, when you find some sort of manifesto online or in a suspects bedroom, that must be a treasure trove of
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clues. >> it is. remember several things number one, we don't investigate people because of their views, we investigate them because of their crimes. in many cases, with these sort of groups people who convey the messages it's their crimes the firearms crimes, explosive crimes that get us into the group. the manifesto is part of what we look at. >> you search for motive even though you don't necessarily need motive in court it helps. does this provide that? >> all last week the world is wondering what could have inspired someone to do this? certainly, we go back and see what he was reading and absorbing and processing. this gives insight to what he was doing, reading and thinking. >> i want to look at this website. at least the website that is now linked to him had this 2500 word manifesto. i want to read a portion of it
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not to grandize him in any way, but we look for a window. everybody wants to know why. it sounds as though the trayvon martin case was an ignition switch for him. he believed, because of that case he believed george zimmerman was in the right and it represented black on white crime. here is what he wrote. he spells out his motive very clearly. i'm not in the position to alone, go into the ghetto and fight. i choose charleston because it is the most historic sight in my state with the highest ratio of black to white. we have no skin heads or kkk or anyone doing anything but talking on the internet. someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world. that has to be me. do you see that as his motive? >> it doesn't have to be. in law enforcement, we are
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desensitivized. the fact he is using this as what turned his head and made him do things doesn't mean it was. it could have been anything or a million thing that is did it. that was written in the manifesto and that's what he was saying. we really can't believe the logic of someone that does this anyway. we have seen the mass shootings all too often. the people who perpetrate these have common characteristics. >> we look at what happened in each case. there's always something or clues to others that things can happen. they didn't pick up before things did happen. look at columbine, look at the aurora movie theater, white male certain age, certain beliefs. we want to say mental health might have been an issue. there was no mental health issue in this this was a 21-year-old adult that forecasted he was going to do this in racist views. >> what can investigators do
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beforehand? this is where it gets so tricky. he had pictures of himself burning the american flag hoisting the confederate flag. these are all now red flags. now, it makes sense. with our freedom and first amendment, is there anything investigators can do when they stumble upon this online? >> when they receive the information, there are things we can do. remember we are not investigating views and viewpoints we are investigating crimes. the bigger issue is what can people do? in every single case of an active shooter there's been clues, red flags and people around these individual that is said we knew something wasn't right. i looked the other day, the gentleman said we knew there was a problem, but we gave him his gun back. what are the people around doing? they can notify police they cannot give a gun back to a person. they can try to get them help.
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notify the authorities that someone with explosives in their home is seemingly taking a turn mentally they can notify authorities. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> over to chris. >> you are right. there's such a curiosity about why, who does these, is a pretty simple analysis. mass shootings, disturbed, evil sick young white man. the two go together all too often. this is not a coincidence. a psychiatrist will explain, ahead. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most of my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told me about stelara® it helps keep my skin clearer. with only 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses... ...stelara® helps me be in season. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and increase your risk of infections. some serious infections require hospitalization. before starting stelara® your doctor should test for tuberculosis. stelara® may increase your risk of cancer. always tell your doctor if you have any sign of infection
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people in a church in charleston south carolina. here is a man, a friend of the show who understands the issues of going into the crimes better than most. dr. michael well ner, a top forensic psychologist. it's always good to have you here. is it something to be dismissed as coincidence or formlated in mass killing white, deranged young men. >> it's hard for me to say that because i have worked on three cases of mass homicide involving a black male. worked on a case involving an asian male. i think there are a lot of crimes in which black victims are not covered. you see four or five in a horrendous crime. i work on it. nobody talks about it. i think that some element of this is affected by what the media chooses to focus on.
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i think this is a cultural crime. i don't think it's a crime that isolates itself according to base or ethnicity, but an american culture crime. i think we are on to something when we say young men are primarily the perpetrators. certainly males. that's a cultural issue. certainly an age group when broad community is targeted as opposed to workplace mass shootings, which involve an older perpetrator. >> you don't think there's anything to the fact they are also white, other than media interest? >> i have worked on cases involving black mass shooters. what do you do in those cases? >> how do they lineup? >> you have a navy yard shooter last year. taylor in pittsburgh patent in tennessee, a mass shooting that was stopped. if we drill down into all the instances, if there was a
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difference in the population it does not amount to the attention we give to adam lanza. they have attracted a hyperfocus. >> that's who it is. why do they do it? very often we have this dilemma. is this person just bad or are they sick? what do you see as the balance here? this case is more obvious. this person is a hate-filled individual. i don't think that it winds up screaming mental illness. how do you break the two down? >> you are only going to get answers from a psychiatric examination that gets into the dimensions of paranoia and resentment and hopelessness. they are the two most parent conditions. but, here is a useful way to break this down. mass homicides differ from other murders. there's common qualities among mass killers.
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some mass killers target the workplace. workplace mass killers are their own type of group. some mass killers target the general community and those individuals are their own type of -- have their own qualities. many of which are the young, male socially alienated sexually frustrated unintegrated dead ender. among those are people who pick an ideology and say that's my issue. they wrap themselves in that. the common denominator with the community and the id logically motivated people is they want us talking about them. they are irrelevant. they want to be relevant. some people say i'll be relevant because i have killed so many people. some say i'll be relevant because this issue will get people talking and even if they are not talking about me they are talking about me whether it's in norway or this person. >> that's why you are
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cautioning don't pay too much attention to who did it. >> i think we do public safety a disservice getting overly immersed in this for two reasons. one, the id logically motivated mass shooter is copied by others who haven't done it yet. they watch us talking about his issues and say, hey, i have a beef. i have a grievance. more importantly, they have a yen to kill. this guy, like others whom i have worked on and studied, they have a yen to kill. they identify their masculinity, this is why young males are involved with if you are destructive, you are the man. if you are the person who is destructive with this ideology you are the man because you are the one who does something. but, the point is it would not be this ideology it would be another ideology. the key here is white
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supremacist ideology. what's peculiar to white supremacist cases, when you drill down into the communities of people who are extremists they know they don't have the numbers. they are vastly outnumbered in terms of public consciousness. the only way to gain a foothold is if they trigger a race war. so their writings and rantings that get tapped into by somebody looking to tap into something to give himself mental justification because again, he wanted to kill. taps into the idea if i do something and people get stirred up these people react and these people react. no. no. you are not relevant. what's relevant? somebody rose up and said i forgive you. i forgive you. that's the point. the victims are relevant. if the victims define the discussion we take away the social incentive to any aspiring
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mass killer. say you know what? you want to go out and kill a lot of people? nobody will pay attention to you. you may get the death penalty. it's necessary because it's a deterrent for some mass killers based on professional experience. you want to get the death penalty? you want to be in prison the rest of your life? you want to be totally forgotten except by people who pray and who are religious? you are not going to get attention, your cause won't get attention. they forgave and they were larger in life than in death. >> all good points. doc, i appreciate it. dr. welner is inviting you to participate in a project, what do you think makes a crime depraved? depravity
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depravitystandard.org. this is a big story for a lot of reasons. there is news this morning. let's get to it. potential sighting for the two escaped killers in new york. >> reporter: rich art matt and david sweat on the run. >> stay home lock your doors and windows. >> a manifesto captures the 21-year-old's words. >> it's about 2,000 words long. >> we have to use this in the most positive way. >> in this life we are going to live to the fullest according to your divine word. >> that symbol has to come down. that symbol must be removed from our state capitol. >> i'm ready for the fight to bring the flag down. >> bring it down! bring it down! announcer: this is new day with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> we begin with the killers on the run from prison.
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investigators believe new leads are helping them close in on the fugitives. the manhunt covering more than 300 miles now from the edge of pennsylvania back to up state new york. helicopters scouring the area from overhead and state troopers setting up roadblocks. >> is this new search area 25 miles west of the prison going to be the end of the line for matt and sweat? we are following every development. let's bring in sarah at the sight of the latest surge in owls head, new york. what's spurring. >> reporter: good morning, chris. we are about 30 miles due west of the prison facility. the d.a. told me what started all of this. saturday a witness who was checking on a cabin, now, remember there are a lot of vacation homes and unoccupied homes here saw a man run out a back door into the woods.
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he said the cabin was obviously burglarized. based on that the search was concentrated in the mountain view area of wolf pond road. it's a road nearby that actually leads to another road that leads to where the prison facility is. the district attorney told me he believes law enforcement saw him running out of a cabin. last night, we saw an active search enshoe in owls head. tactical units focused in the wooded areas, it seems. you can see check points behind me. they are focused on hiking trails and unoccupied homes, something they have been focused on since the beginning of this search more than two weeks ago. in the meantime as the search continues here and in other places t

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