r of maryland announcing he's got a very serious form of cancer and we wish him only best. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." tweet me if you want @wolfblitzer. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next breaking news in the new york manhunt for two convicted killers a major breakthrough tonight. police chasing their most credible lead yet. the killers leaving a trail. are police closing in? plus an incredible twist of fate. the woman who was supposed to be in that bible study at the emanuel ame church why did she leave just moments before the gunman walked in? her story is "outfront" tonight. and south carolina's governor finally calling for the removal of the confederate flag. but that doesn't mean that flag is going anywhere. let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking

news. the desperate manhunt for two convicted killers is closing in. officers saying they've confirmed their most credible lead yet. hundreds of officers now focusing on just one specific area about 20 miles from the clinton county prison. that's where the two convicts staged that escape more than two weeks ago, and authorities are telling cnn tonight that dna, actual dna from these two men, richard matt and david sweat, was found inside a cabin in a town called owl's head new york. it's a very remote town there's only a few hundred people that live there. and in addition to this crucial evidence police say someone spotted a man running out of that same owl's head cabin over the weekend. so now you have heavily armed officers fanned out across the adirondack mountains. they're focusing on this area. the authorities the compiling a list of hotel guests who have been there. they're trying to see, is there any strange name on there? anyone who might have known the two men, who might have helped them? and also breaking on this story tonight, disturbing new details about how richard matt and david sweat got the tools to break out of jail.

it's a plot that included using frozen food. and we'll have more on that in just a moment. i want to begin with alexander field "outfront" live in owl's head the center of the search right now, as police hope they're closing in alex this is very intense at this hour. they're trying to play every minute of daylight. do they really believe they're closing in? >> reporter: well they are saying that this is absolutely without a doubt the biggest break that they have had in a very complicated case a case in which there was fear that the trail had gone cold, as recently as just a week ago. and tonight, erin authoritying are putting their money where their mouth is so to speak. we have just learned from new york state police that they have devoted 1,000 law enforcement officers to the search here in franklin county. that's as many officers as we've seen involved in any part of this search if not more. tonight, they are focused on those deep woods in franklin county and they are closely watching a cabin there. that's where investigators retrieved a number of items. they tell us, a law enforcement source tells me that some of those items prove to have had matches for dna consistent with both of the suspects on the run,

both richard matt and david sweat. this is the most credible lead they have had thus far. investigators were only brought to this cabin in the woods because of the help of a witness, erin. it was this witness who spotted someone running in the woods, not far from that cabin. but erin that sighting came on saturday afternoon. so at this point, police are hoping that those suspects haven't had time to get very far. >> and what more do you know about this cabin they're believed to have been staying in as recently as saturday afternoon? >> reporter: well the sheriff here in franklin county is telling me that there are just a couple hundred homes in the search area here. that the population actually increases tenfold during the summer seasons. these are seasonal cabins that may have been empty, that may have been been why the fugitives felt that this was a good place to hunker down. they don't know what period of time the fugitives were inside that cabin, just that they were there. of course the dna evidence wouldn't date them wouldn't give investigators an idea of how many hours or even thoum dayhow

many days they could have potentially spent there. but the terrain is very difficult to search here. we're talking about a heavily wooded forested area but the sheriff does say if you take a look at a distance between dannemora and the area they're searching now, more than 20 miles, there would be ways for a less than expert woodsman to traverse the path. there are old railroad beds there, power lines that could be followed and this is a recreation area erin, which means there are snowmobile and atv trails throughout these woods. >> a very good point. alex, thank you very much. obviously, the best lead they've had, actual dna. the the question is are they still right in that area. the discovery of the dna quickly shifted the focus of the search from the pennsylvania border where there was a credible sighting this weekend, right back to that heavily wooded mountainous area outside the prison. jason carroll is "outfront" with new details on that dna. >> reporter: searchers calling it one of their strongest lead yet. tests now being run on materials found inside a cabin located in a wooded area, a little more

than 20 miles west of the clipton county correctional facility. sources tell cnn, the dna matches that of escaped cons david matt and richard sweat. >> we have recovered specific items from that cabin. we have forwarded them to the appropriate laboratories and reached conclusive determinations but we are not prepared to release that evidence at this time. >> reporter: search teams descended on the area road blocks set up alerts put out warning residents to be vigilant. and on saturday nearly 300 miles away word of another possible sighting of fugitives near the new york/pennsylvania border in the town of friendship. >> we conducted a thorough search that has now ended. we have declared that area clear. >> reporter: also becoming more clear, how the men gathered materials to make their escape. a source familiar with the investigation tells me investigators are looking at whether tools or other contraband was hidden inside frozen hamburger meat, passed on

to matt just about a week before the escape. that meat did not pass through a metal detector which is a violation of prison policy. >> reporter: officials are also looking into whether joyce mitchell the prison employee now facing charges for her alleged role in the escape, may have convinced a guard to pass matt the frozen meat. several guards now under investigation, including gene palmer. he worked on the so-called honor block, where matt and sweat were housed. his attorney says palmer did not know of any escape plans. >> hindsight is 20/20. right now he sees things that have happened throughout the past year to two years that have opened up his eyes. he's a very proud individual. he thinks that he has information that will be helpful. >> reporter: palmer knew both inmates for several years. he accepted several paintings and drawings matt made for him. investigators questioned palmer for nearly 14 hours saturday. >> gene was extremely truthful

and forthcoming. he wants these two individuals to be caught and anything that he can do to help law enforcement do their job, he's willing to cooperate. >> again, gene palmer's attorney tells me that his client has cooperated with authorities. and erin, i asked a little bit more about this relationship that he had with these two inmates over this extended period of time. he said he would use these inmates over a period of time to provide him with information, using them as a source if you will to provide him with information about other people in the prison who were about to cause trouble. having no idea that they would end up causing the type of trouble we're seeing now. erin? >> jason, thank you very much. i want to go straight now to the clinic to the clinicton county sheriff. what have you found? >> we haven't reached an conclusion yet, obviously there

would be a big announcement about that. but it's incredibly rugged terrain miles north and northwest of what we have been searching. there are a terrific amount of resources in that area. and most importantly, over 18 hours, there's a renewed enthusiasm and significant motivation and excitement of everybody that's on the ground searching. >> sorry, go ahead, sir. >> getting tips from people is a wonderful thing and we certainly encourage that and need that information, so if you do come with up something that points you in a definite direction line this very very motivational. >> and you're talking about definite direction. this is the dna around this cabin in owl's head. what items did you find where you found this dna that made you so sure that these men had been in there? >> i don't have the direction information of all the items that were recovered and taken from that cabin that was done by investigators of the state police and as a major guest stated earlier, was immediately transported to the appropriate

laboratory for analysis for a multitude of testings to try to give more answers to help with the internal part of the investigation. >> all right. we do know of course as you say, there were items with their dna found on them. a question to you, though in terms of the sighting. there was a sighting of one person running from this cabin on saturday. saturday afternoon. do you think these men are still together or do you think, i mean, was the dna from both men that were found or not? >> i don't have any direct knowledge on the results of that as of yet, so i really couldn't say. they'd probably stand a better chance being together given the rugged terrain everything and they're up against. but we have no confirmation obviously, one way or another, whether they're together or they've separated. we don't have any reason to believe, other than the fact that they're together. >> sheriff, you now have dna, as you say, you have an enthused group of hunters, at this point, looking for these men. do you think you're closing in? >> it certainly feels that way.

the level of excitement the level of enthusiasm everybody that was up there, all the resources. there are more resources than we've seen in this smaller area than we've seen throughout the course of the investigation. >> all right, sheriff favro, good to talk to you, again, sir and i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> "outfront" now, i want to bring in joe latemplio. he has new details. you just heard the sheriff say, it feels like they're closing in. they've got that enthusiasm. i know you have some reporting on this very issue. what are your sources telling you about how close they really are? >> well wing we're going to find out one way or another in the next 24 to 48 hours. as i'm told they're setting up a hard perimeter around the search area and a big push will come in the next day or two, to flush these guys out, or at least encircle them and draw in on them. >> and you also had a chance to speak to the man who saw people

inside that cabin. right, the cabin where they have the dna, and someone saw someone running. i mean what did your source actually see? >> the sources i talked to spoke with the gentleman that went to the hunting camp and i was told that on approaching to comp he was alerted to something, noticed something on the fornlg that kind of looked like a duffel bag. and noticed individuals inside the cabin, and he -- i'm told he yelled a command to come out, and two people ran out the back which i'm told was actually the front, because the only way to approach the cabin is from the rear. and he was not able to confirm it was the inmates, but he definitely saw two people exiting the cabin. >> so he saw people two exiting. and in terms of his dna, we're trying to understand what sort of items there were. do you have any sense of where they found the dna from the two

men? >> the items that were mentioned to me were a jug of water and a jar of peanut butter that were sitting on one of the tables inside the camp. >> so water. interesting. okay. well, joe, i appreciate it. thank you very much. and you heard joe saying is 24 to 48 hours from his sources and the dna found on jugs of water. "outfront" next more of our breaking news. police suspect the escaped prisoners are listening to their communications. we'll tell you exactly how they know that next. plus more breaking news with new images of the charleston church killer just before he opened fire. we have new information on him tonight. and president obama uses the n-word. is it okay for the president of the united states to use that word? no matter what his race. you probably know xerox as the company that's all about printing. but did

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breaking news in the new york manhunt, the best lead yet. and police may close in. tonight, police narrowing in on one particular area 20 miles away from the clinton correctional facility. we're also getting more information about another prison employee now under investigation. i'll show you this a new photo into cnn of prison guard gene palmer. he was questioned for 14 hours in connection with the killer's escape. palmer had got an gift a piece of art, from convict richard matt. remember he gave art to joyce mitchell as well. officials are now trying to determine whether palmer played any role in the escape plan. also new tonight, investigators looking into whether tools used by the killers were hidden inside a frozen chunk of hamburger meat. that meat given to richard matt one week before the escape. deborah feyerick is "outfront." deb, now a law enforcement source is telling you there's concern the killers, you know, there's that dna in the cottage,

right? that maybe they actually are able to monitor the radio communications of police making the job of finding them a lot harder. >> and that's a really big concern to all the law enforcement that's out there. and you have to keep in mind there are a thousand people now that are searching that entire area. and we're told that investigators are worried that they are listening. because that's an area erin where cell phone service is horrible. and so a lot of these cabins have scanners inside so that people can communicate with those on the outside. if these two individuals now have access to a scanner, that could effectively really change how this search is carried out. >> i mean that's pretty incredible when you think about it. and as you explain, right, they don't have cell phone service, so they could go into a cottage, and there it is the scanner is sitting right there. this other development, deb, is that they were on this honor cell right? so they're allowed to maybe cook their own food. which may sound strange to some people but in that process, richard matt may have received a frozen chunk of hamburger meat that had tools in it.

what kind of tools could possibly have been frozen in a block of meat? >> it's really interesting. and that's one of the things they're looking at that that prison guard who's now on unpaid lead was kind of an unwitting pawn given that piece of meat by joyce mitchell and then it didn't go through the metal detector. but it could be things like small bolt cutters or cutting shears or even a jabsaw that's used in construction and it's about 6 inches. all of those are things that could have been in. or erin it could have been something as simple as a contra contraband cell phone or even cash. and investigators, you're talking about those tools, but you're also talking about investigators now looking at that hunting cabin to determine if anything was taken. because if they took for example, hunting knives or even worst-case scenario some sort of a firearm that was kept in that cabin, that means that law enforcement will have to be even more careful. not only do you have the alleged tools that were smuggled in, you also have potentially new

weapons that these two men might be carrying. >> deborah feyerick thank you very much. and "outfront" now, anthony gangy, a former corrections officer, who spent a lot of time working inside prison and bill stanton, a former nypd officer. anthony, let me start with you. tools struggled to a prison in hamburger meat or it could have been cell phones or cash. we understand that sources are saying it probably was tools. does that surprise you? >> yes. because there's major security measures for anything that comes inside the facility. once it gets inside and goes through a serious of checks it could go through multiple hands before it makes it to that honor block. there's a bunch of hands that it could have made it through before it gets to that -- >> so what's the change? >> the hamburger meat leaves the kitchen or leaves the freezer, which opens up a whole another -- how many people at the least, would have touched that food? >> there's the perceived chain and then there's the actual chain, as we've seen with the tsa, as we're hearing that the prison guards really were

supposed to do bed checks, but maybe they didn't. were supposed to be in the prison tower, but maybe they didn't. things get moneyundane and overlooked but now things will be revamped. >> inrd rah-rah regard routine sometimes gets complacent but then that becomes routine. so they left it to someone else does it their own way and the person being trained by that individual does it the wrong way. >> the question is would guards knowingly turn a blind eye? right, either knowing there's something in there, or maybe even not knowing, but you know, wink wink nod, nod, don't put this through the metal detector. >> first off, i always like to say correctional officers it's no sign of disrespect we're called correctional officers. i know sometimes it's a mistake but we're correctional officers. sometimes, we kind of know the person that's bringing in the stuff, you know and sometimes we can get to a point where we know joe schmo and then we may

allow joe schmo to kind of,, you know -- >> so it could have been someone that they knew so well -- >> what you've got to do -- >> so you don't think that person's ever going to pull a fast one on you and that's the person who did. >> that's why training is paramount. when officers start becoming complacent, joe schmo, that guy you know that could have been a game he's playing to get through security measures. >> and let's say someone could have been bought off or bribed. this is right off "the orange is the new black." listen there are a majority like cops there are bad apples in every -- and all you need is one. >> -- serve time in jail because he did get bought off. >> and that's the reality, as we saw for the lady in the seamstress shop. >> so if it comes in frozen meat how many people do you think are involved? so they've obviously charged joyce mitchell they're questioning this other guard who had received art from one of the others. >> this is going to be interesting to see. my question is why?

these aren't master criminals that have like some secret buried treasure somewhere. so what's going on? it's either sex. it's either the promise of money. or bribery. one of those three that would compel these folks to aid and abet these people. >> or once personal information is discovered on an individual, it could be an overt threat this has to get done or we will threaten to do this to your family or loved one. it's not always such a covert method. it could be overt, to the point of where you don't do this this is what's going to happen. >> i think it's just bribery. listen you've done this and i'm going to tell. >> how could convicted killers like this everyone who has been on your side of this tells me, it's constant. these inmates are nonstop trying to game the system, find out who's weak and move in on them. how do they try to turn a guard. >> correctional officer, i apologize. sorry, correctional officer. the inmates are a lot smarter

than people give them credit for them. when an officer finds a prisoner manipulate them you think, they've got to be stupid. no the game is subtle. you said that the inmate gave a picture to that guard. now it's -- >> you owe me something. >> it introduces a slow and subtle technique, where the drawing becomes leverage and they progressively move forward to the point is what have i done? >> you could have engaged them oh you hunt do you have a cabin? >> time is on the side of the inmate and they have nothing but time. and to your point, all they're doing is to gain intel. so it could be a combination of the two. >> you're dealing with people who want to have a control of who they are and their way. they want to control policies procedures. they'll do whatever they can to manipulate the system. but the manipulation is subtle. if it's overt, we stand, whoa what did you just ask for? but it's subtle to the point where leverage is given, the officer has to think, man, if i

don't do this what can happen. >> i'm surprised they're both alive. i'm surprised one didn't take out the other by now. >> we will see. thanks very much anthony, jeff. "outfront" next breaking news in the investigation into the charleston church massacre. new information about the shooter tonight. and one incredible story of fate. how one woman got out of the church just before the gunman walked in. she's my guest, next. and as calls grow to remove the confederate flag from the south carolina capitol, some major companies that make big money in south carolina have been completely and utterly silent. why? we will follow the money.

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breaking news in the charleston church massacre. tonight, shocking new images of the gunman who confessed to slaughtering nine black people at an historic church. it's all part of a racist manifesto that gives a glimpse into the mind of this killer. martin savage begins our coverage "outfront." martin i know you're learning a lot more tonight about the hate that motivated this massacre. >> reporter: we really are, yeah. i should explain the music that you hear in the background here is that emanuel ame church continues to attract people from all over. and worship of all kinds.

so what you're listening to is basically a hymn that's got a very rock beat to it. but you're right, what we've learned from dylann roof is the fact that he's been planning this attack for months. that the inspiration for his hatred goes back years, and that over the weeks leading up to the attack he's been on kind of a weird journey of both history and hate. from a manifesto, arrest records, and his tone photographs, we can track dylann roof's mind-set and movement toward murder. according to the manifesto posted on the website roof owned, his racist awakening comes with the death of trayvon martin in 2012. the unarmed florida teenager shot and killed by george zimmerman, who many accused of racial profiling. >> why is he uttering that word? other than, that's how he feels. >> reporter: at the same time roof and martin are the same age, 17. according to the manifesto, he began researching the case

online. more importantly, he's typed the words "black on white" crimes into google, and "i have never been the same since that day." that leading him to a white supremacist group. three years later, roof begins to act on his hate. february 9th he registers his white supremacist website. february 28th roof is arrested at a local mall near columbia. the incident reports police are called when he asks out of the ordinary questions, such as the number of employees and when they come and go. he's taken into custody for having a controlled substance that requires a prescription. by the middle of march, we begin to see roof on a twisted pilgrim pilgrimage pilgrimage posing on sullivan's island, south of charleston once the largest slave port in north america, and where the confederacy fired the first shots of the civil war. later that months he's in elmwood cemetery in columbia which has a large section

dedicated to confederate soldiers. april 3rd, roof's 21st birthday using gift money, he obtained a .45 caliber handgun. roof's photos are a tour of historical sites linked to slavery and the confederacy. here dressed in black standing at boone hall one of america's oldest working plantations. the year before at the same spot posing with two slave mannequins. april 17th, we see the gun dylann's thought to have purchased. a glock 41 now equipped with a laser targeting tool. three days later, here he is with the same weapon pointing directly at the camera. shortly after that he's back in charleston at another plantation in front of a faded wooden sign reading sacred burial grounds for our african-american ancestors. the next day he's in columbia at the museum and library of confederate history. days later, roof poses at sunset on the beach. it seems innocent enough it will you look at his feet and see the number 1488.

according to the southern poverty law center that's a common white supremacist code. over the following weeks, roof drinks heavily and takes pills, while talking of increasingly threatening talk. >> he wants to do something crazy and wanted a race war. >> reporter: roof concludes his manifesto saying i chose charleston because it is the most historic city in my state and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to whites in the country. the last photo of roof before his killing spree is june 17th taken not by the 21-year-old, but by a security camera at the side sbrabsentrance of emanuel ame church. tonight, dylann roof remains under a suicide watch in the charleston county jail separated from the general population. his journey of hate has come to an end. his long journey of laelegal problems is only just beginning. erin? >> martin savage thanks. breaking news president obama will deliver the eulogy for the pastor killed at a bible

study in charleston. the president and first lady will attend the funeral on friday. all nine innocent victims are being laid to rest this week. reverend brenda wilson a member of ame emanuel was nearly a victim too. but in an incredible twist of fate she left the church just moments before the shooting. reverend nelson is "outfront" tonight. and reverend i appreciate your coming on the program. i know this is just an incomprehensible situation that you are in. you were at that church just before the shooter arrived. you left at 7:35. you do usually stay for the bible study, right? >> yes. >> why is it that -- on this wednesday, you happened to leave. >> well you know first of all, our bible studies are usually earlier. we have bible studies at 6:00 p.m. but on that wednesday, it was delayed until 7:30 and i left because i had an emergency at home. my air-conditioning unit during the day had just shut down and i

needed to go home to take care of that and hopefully get in time to have a technician come and see about my unit. so you know, even though we seat it as an emergency, we saw it as an inconvenience, i think that we now know by our faith, in our faith, through our faith, for whatever reason, it was god's divine intervention. >> it seems that way. i mean the killer arrived not long after you left. i mean reverend you could so easily have been in that room. you should have been in that room and ordinarily you would have been right? >> exactly. >> you were so close. >> right. exactly. and i think that's why there was such major confusion, probably ten or more hours after the event, when there were so many in the community, across our community, that had already gotten information that i was one of the fatalities. that was even reported early by one of the television stations, that i was a fatality. and so later on on thursday

the school district actually issued a press release, a statement to the press, letting them know that they had spoken to me i was well i was safe and asking them to please correct any erroneous information that was being provided to the community. so you know, during that time i was overwhelmed by calls, et cetera family members from away had gotten the word that i was a fatality. so of course they were in extreme shock. they were upset, they were grieving they were mourning. and not knowing that i was at home safe. >> reverend are you afraid that something like this could happen again? >> i know -- erin i think it's almost like 9/11, where you probably will never feel the same again, when 9/11 occurred the way we traveled by air, our travel changed. we were never able to go back to the old days. i think that it just gives you another level of awareness. and it's something that we'll move forward. but i think for me personally though it gives me another level of faith, even while i

talk about the struggle with this because it let ss me know that regardless of what i see or what i think or what happens that god is truly in control. and that's the voice of a minister. >> so it strengthened your faith? >> yeah, it strengthens my faith. someone made a joke to me the other day, they were at my house, and they said you do something, and i said all that god has seen me through this past wednesday, i have no fear. i'm at another level. in terms of knowing that a step he allows it won't happen. but we still have human so we have the spirituality we have the faith, but then we know that we have the humanity as well. >> well thank you so much for sharing them with us. thank you, reverend. >> thank you. and "outfront" next south carolina's governor caving to pressure calling for the removal of the confederate flag. but will it actually happen? plus, president obama uses the n-word and it is not for the first time.

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breaking news. south carolina governor nikki haley finally calling for the state to remove the confederate

flag. >> my hope is that by removing a symbol that divides us, we can move forward as a state in harmony and honor the nine blessed souls that are now in heaven. >> calls to remove the flag grew louder after pictures emerged with dylann roof posing with it in multiple pictures. and now even walmart announced it's removing confederate flag merchandise from its stores. we can forgive you if you didn't even know they were doing that in the first place, but that's how widespread this can be. mitt romney and jeb bush actually removed it from florida. but not every presidential hope sfl ful is willing to that i can this issue on. >> everyone's being baited with this question as if somehow that has anything to do whatsoever with running for president. and my position is it most certainly does not. >> i take the position that the federal government really has no role in this. >> you're a candidate for president. do you not have a position on this at all? >> i'm not a south carolinian

and this is a decision that needs to be made here in south carolina. >> and there's another powerful voice that's been silent. the voice of money. south carolina's home to major businesses, boeing bmw, companies whose silence have been deafening, have been as they opened up plants and poured money in. ana cabrera is "outfront". >> it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. >> reporter: governor nikki haley, under pressure after the charleston church massacre has called for the confederate flag to come down. this after years of defending the flag and quite a change considering what she said last year. >> i spend a lot of my days on the phones with ceos. and recruiting jobs to this state. i can honestly say i have not had one conversation with a single ceo about the confederate flag. >> reporter: still, corporate america has remained largely quiet on this divisive issue. boeing bmw, google and volvo, all with major business in south carolina.

combined they invest billions bring in millions and employee thousands in the state. lured by friendly labor laws and huge tax incentives. yet, silence from most of them on the confederate flag prior to haley's announcement. late today, we did hear from michelin which has more than 9,000 employees in the state, operating ten different manufacturing facilities. they want the flag to come down and are calling on lawmakers to do the right thing. >> my opinion is business is business. so stay focused on our business. that's all. >> business owner vaughn granger, who's had a retail store near the capitol for over 40 years believes it's not appropriate to offer an opinion on the issue. when it comes to controversial issues does it make more sense as a business owner not to say something, because you don't want to alienate potential customers? >> we have black customers, we have white customers, we have religious, financial, lawyers, doctors.

i would never want to ever offend them any one of those group of customers. >> now, michelin statement's actually came before governor haley's announcement. then after her press conference today, we heard from boeing and bmw, both coming out and saying they support the governor and her call for action. but ultimately it's on lawmakers to decide this issue. and it will require two-thirds majority to agree for the flag to come down. there's expected to be a debate on this issue in the capitol in the next coming weeks, and there does seem to be momentum for the flag to come down but we'll have to wait and see, erin. >> it will be an interesting vote. they certainly haven't had the votes before to your point. ana, thank you so much, live from the capitol. "outfront" next president obama says the united states is not cured of racism. so is he helping by using the n-word? and on a much lighter note tonight, a very unexpected -- yeah, see that? stowaway. you probably know xerox as the company that's all about printing. but did you know we also support hospitals

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he knew that we would be talking about it today, and he also understood that there is nothing wrong with say ging it. and this morning my inbox was filled with president obama uses the n-word and i thought it was something out of character or a schism but when i said this, this is nothing of a big deal, but when he said this he said that racism is nothing that you can get rid of 300 years after slavery and he said that racism is still going to be an intractable part of america, and that is more penetrable headline. >> and some say that he is african-american and he should not have done it, and it advance advances the narrative, and van, what do you think of that? >> well, first of all, i was just in charleston yesterday. when you think of that and what you think of is actually

happening and not syllables, but the actual substance of the symbols of raceism that is much more important, and the president did not use the term but he pronounce edd the term. and he pronouncing the word would say n-word hey, or hey, n n-words, but when he just pronounced the term, it is much more common for people not the pronounce it, and just say n-word, but i just don't think that it should rise to the level of international incident and the point he was trying to make is much more salient in that we have a long way to go and just getting that word pronounced which ever syllables you want to use to pronounce the word and getting it out of the public vernacular is not a public victory. >> and this is jay z saying that it is fine to the use it, and

oprah pasht natalie disagrees, and let me play a clip. >> you know i have been known for not being a fan of rap music because of the ma soj nis leer-- ma soj nist lyrics and you vhave been, and -- >> little bit. >> and tell everybody why. >> because it is words, and people give words power, and for our generation we took the word and we took the power out of the word. >> yes. >> and we turned a word that is ugly and hurtful into a term the of endearment. >> and marc, what do you make of that word, because gay was a word that you couldn't use, and now, now it is a word that everybody uses, and he is saying by using it, he is taking away the evil. >> well, language is complex, and words are very powerful and long lasting and the n-word itself has a long history and it

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s go up. >> yes, the worst moment. >> as in whoops moment. >> reporter: as if how did i miss the cat asleep in the wing when in the pre-flight check, and she is the mascot and now in the wind her fur flying. was she meowing? >> loudest e meow ever. and now she is called a stowaway. ♪ i believe i can touch the sky ♪ >> and a swedish airline company is calling the feline special effects, but this sis the real thing. the pilot headed back to the airport, and this is no "twilight zone" episode when william shatner saw a monster on the wing and got out the gun and sucked out and shot it. the goal here was to not freak out the cat, and the commenters wondered why the lady did not

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