maker now demanding changes to his state's flag. we begin our coverage with cnn's ana cabrera live in columbia south carolina, with the latest for us. >> reporter: good morning, there's already a lot of energy out here today. a different story than we saw 24 hours ago. a huge take down the flag rally to start here at the capitol in the next few hours as lawmakers are returning to do work today as well on the budget. you know the confederate flag will be on their mind. it is ultimately up to them to decide the flag's future. we seemed to reach a tipping point in this debate with major national state and now business leaders joining the call to take down the flag. walmart and sears are among retailers pulling con federal merchandise from their shelves in support of the effort. the governor nikki haley who

supported the flag changing her tune surrounded by a group of bipartisan lawmakers to announce this movement. she said in the past she supported it she recognized it's a symbol that divides more than unites that's why it's time to go. >> the flag will always be a part of the soil of south carolina. but, this is a moment in which we could say that flag while an integral part of our past does not represent a future of our great state. >> now, senator lindsey graham from south carolina also a 2016 presidential contender issued a statement as well. he said i hope by removing the flag we can take a step toward healing and recognition and a sign south carolina is moving forward again. again, it is up to state lawmakers to decide the issue. it requires a two-thirds

majority to agree. we expect a debate to happen in the next days and weeks. we will be watching but the pressure is on right now, alisyn. >> the position evolves day by day. thank you very much. we will check back in. the tension over the confederate flag reaching a tipping point in mississippi. the emblem on the flag needs to be removed. this is the first time an elected republican in the state called for the removal of the symbol. >> let's get to the new clues in the new york manhunt. dna from fugitive richard matt and david sweat was discovered in a cabin 25 miles from the prison. it could be a big break. they still don't know where they are. we are near the cabin where the dna was found. they believe they were there, they just don't know where they

are. fair point? >> reporter: fair point, yeah good morning. this is yet another day for the search with rain in the forecast. it's not great news for the search teams out there. authorities tell us they remain confident this new lead this dna evidence will keep them on the right track and will eventually lead them to these fugitives. hundreds of state and federal officers redeployed. >> a confirmed lead for us. we are going to run it to the ground. >> reporter: flooding this heavily wooded area in up state new york over 20 miles from the prison. >> i don't think it would take a woodsman to get on a power line and follow it. >> a witness spotted someone running from one of the areas many cabins saturday. investigators finding the dna of the escapees inside the camp burglarized. they worry the fugitives may be a step ahead of them if they are

monitoring communication. >> it's rough terrain. it's not easy to get to. >> a restaurant owner spoke to the person whose cabin was broken into after he made the discovery. >> i'm not saying it's them. i know somebody broke in our camp and i saw a guy running away. >> reporter: officials say there's no evidence they have a support network outside of the prison but they are reviewing months of hotel registries in the area. >> if you return to the camp if anything is out of place, call 911 immediately. no lead is too small for us to investigate. >> reporter: now, i want to mention, there isn't great cell service out here it's very spotty. authorities said yesterday, they are concerned the two fugitives may be monitoring police radio communication. last week, when we talked to the district attorney he said there are inmates inside the prison interviewed after the escape and told authorities they saw the

two inmates who escaped with cell phones inside the prison before they broke out. michaela? >> another level of concern. thank you. how did the two brazen killers get the tools behind bars to break out of a maximum security prison? we have new details about how they smuggled the weapons or tools and who may have helped the fugitives. our new correspondent is live in new york. welcome to "new day" and welcome to cnn. >> reporter: thank you so much. we are five miles from the clinton correction alpha silty. investigators are looking at the possibility they got tools into their cells through frozen hamburger meat. joyce mitchell may have convinced the guard to pass the meat through without going through a metal detector. that's a violation of prison policy. meanwhile, palmer is on

administrative leave. he received a painting by richard matt. he was interviewed over the weekend. he has not been charged. his lawyer says he knew nothing about the plan for escape. we'll keep you posted on the latest details in that investigation. alisyn? >> thank you so much. we want to bring in john. he is the former head of the investigation division at the u.s. marshal service. great to have you with us. >> good morning. >> it has been reported they found the fugitive's dna in this cabin, how does that change the search? >> it's a game changer. it's a significant break. it's the kind of break law enforcement needs to move forward in the cases. dna at the siting the phone call about two individuals running, it looks very promising. it's probably a 48 hour head start. >> do they narrow the radius

they are searching in the woods? >> they are going to cast a wider net to an outer perimeter and work in. it's difficult terrain. it's going to be porous at some points. >> you know look it's difficult for investigators that means it's difficult for fugitives. >> even with a 48-hour jump even if they had provisions from the cabin, they have to be hunkered down somewhere. aviation is out, the dogs are out. i think it's a matter of time. >> it just seems like they are getting close. let's talk about those provisions. this is where they got the dna. a hupting cabin in the woods. they found boots, bloody socks, a water jug and a jar of open peanut butter on the table. what does that tell you about what their life has been like for the past you know two weeks? >> it's kind of what we suspected. they are going to be weather

beaten, fatigued. the unknown. you really don't know the certainty how long they were in the cabin. >> there's no way to time stamp the dna to say they were here 48 hours ago? >> not really. law enforcement will be looking for other things. they would have searched the garage and things. the garbage could be a telltale sign wrappers and take a guess at how long they might have been in there. it's coupled with the sights of the two guys running and trying to suggest they were there recently. >> does it suggest they didn't have a plan they are winging it? >> it does appear. you can't rule out another possibility. it could have been a plan "a." in the absence of a get away car, they got put in a tail spin. they had to improvise. >> the hunting camp where the stuff was found is owned by a

group of corrections officers. is that a coincidence or does that mean they had inside help? >> i couldn't comment on that. that's something that will be looked at by the investigators. >> when you find out it's owned by a group of corrections officers at clinton. >> of course. is there a connection? look into how did they come about this? they are certainly going to look into that. as far as what's been reported there's no suggestion of a connection. >> one last possible connection there was a case of bucky phillips. >> yes. >> he was an escapee back in 2006. he was on the run for five months. he was captured in pennsylvania. he also use edd sweatshirts to make it look like there was a real person in the bed. he is now serving life in clinton prison. he hid in hunting cabins he was

in the woods. would they today, be going to him saying tell us how you did it? >> it's very likely. it's a good point. bucky, the difference here bucky was a mountain guy. in fact he was tied to the indian reservations up there. he has contacts in the indian reservations. he may have had or sought assistance. all fugitives make a mistake. these guys are make a mistake. in his case he stole a cell phone. that led to his apprehension. >> you are right, they will make a mistake, it's a matter of time. seems like investigators are getting closer. make sure to tune in tonight at 9:00 p.m. for a cnn special report on this escape. it's called "the great prison escape." it traces the steps of how we

got to where we have. chris? >> parts of illinois are in serious distress. a series of bad weather ripping across the state. rescue crews are scrambling to find victims who may be trapped. meteorologist chad myers is going to tell us what happened there and why and most importantly where the storms are headed next. what do you have chad? >> they are headed to the northeast. they are headed toward you, new york pennsylvania philadelphia down to west virginia. at least 13 reports of damage yesterday from tornadoes and some could be on the ground as early as this morning. >> holy cow! oh my god! >> tornadoes tearing through much of the country's midwest. a weather phenomenon known as a derecho blasting residents from south dakota to michigan. rains sideways flooding roads relentlessly.

chicago's airports cancelling and delaying hundreds of flights due to severe weather. this morning, emergency crews working around the clock to respond to trapped residents. others rescued from toppled trailers. others lucky to be alive. >> walking to my grandmother's trailer, the tree hitting it came down on my grandmother's car. there's no roof now on her trailer. >>reporter: in eastern michigan several towns reeling from the twisters that ripped through there, snapping trees and collapsing buildings, leaving five injured. >> lightning, constant. >> trailers on top of trailers flipped over totally destroyed. >> wow, this is incredible. this is incredible. >> the enhanced risk of severe weather from almost maine down to pennsylvania. there's the orange area here. boston you are included in that orange or enhanced risk.

part of warm air. it's warm in new york city warm in d.c. then the cold front comes in and bushes the warm front. there's the forecast radar. almost all the cities could see something today. we go from 92 today to 76 on friday. 83 to 67 in boston. that's the cold air pushing the warm air out. it's a bumpy day today. >> we'll stick with you today. thank you for that we appreciate it. the charleston church massacre leading president obama to discuss racial tensions in unprecedented terms. the president using the "n" word. cnn is live in the white house with more on obama's unguarded moments. >> it did seem like an unguarded moment especially for a president who is deliberate and careful about everything that comes out of his mouth. some reacting negatively saying it was such a jarring word and

offensive to hear it come from the president's mouth was shocking. there's been a lot of conflicting reaction from the african-american community. many agree with the context of the broader point he was trying to say. some like the naacp president, who says they really wish president obama did not use that specific word. here is what president obama said in a podcast interview. >> racism we are not cured of it. clearly. and it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say nigger in public that's not the measure of whether racism exists or not. it's not just a matter of overt discrimination. society's don't overnight completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior. >> reporter: the white house says the president does not regret using the word. it's not something he intentionally went into the interview knowing he would do

but resulted in the casual nature of the interview. i was the free flowing nature of the conversation that led president obama to make the point. here is more of what the president was trying to say. >> the legacy of slavery, jim crow discrimination in almost every institution of our lives, you know that casts a long shadow and that's still part of our dna. that's passed on. >> reporter: meanwhile, the discussion of the use of the word comes as he is leaving. president obama will deliver the eulogy for reverend pinckney on friday. alisyn? >> thanks for that. president obama's fast track trade deal coming back from the brink. this is after an unlikely partnership with two top republicans in congress.

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today, we are here in a moment of unity in our state. without ill will to say it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. >> sometimes after a low point there is what many call progress. the shooting in charleston south carolina started a conversation about the flag. the governor called for the confederate flag to be moved from the state capitol grounds. now, mississippi is up. they have a strong reference to the confederate flag in their state flag. there's pressure from lawmakers there to change the state flag. is this going to happen? should it happen? we understand what went into this flash point with the south carolina flag. mississippi next up. what is the argument for the

extension of this progress let's call it in changing the flag away from the confederate symbol. >> i think one of the things we are actually seeing are the economics of the flag. there's a visceral emotion and reaction to the flag being there. there's so much death associated with it. right now, we have nine more lives associated with it. in south carolina you have michelin boeing sunoco the south carolina association of manufacturers coming out against the flag being there. you are seeing the economics. the debate is shifting. this is now a mainstream debate. this is the beginning of a debate that surprisingly enough people want to have about race. i think this is a debate that will be lasting more than just today. more than just in mississippi. this is a debate that will last for a while. >> it's interesting, people are saying online hey, if people

hadn't been killed in that black church we probably wouldn't be seeing this right now, as if that was mitigating the effectiveness of what we are seeing right now. that doesn't make it less important that it's coming off on the heels of a tragedy, does it? >> no it doesn't. in fact it gives it a higher import. you have to think, for those of us who lost somebody we know somebody we worked with somebody whose legacy where he even stated sometimes you have to make noise to be free. that was clementa's statement. it makes you understand that they lived their life for a purpose. those nine people gave their life up for a greater good. we have been trying to take this flag down since it went up in 1962. >> while that's true -- while that's true help me understand one thing. this is why i stop you. when i look at the numbers, in

mississippi they had a referendum a poll in south carolina you do not see clear evidence of black outrage at the symbol. how do you account for that? >> well that actually is true. i think that we have three groups of people because i stood with senator vincent in the campaign for governor and lieutenant governor eight months ago. democrats are asking us why are you asking to take the flag down. you have three groups of people people who despise the flag and everything it stands for, people who believe the flag is heritage not hate and the group of people who really don't care and are tired of having the discussion. those people who don't care and tired of having the discussion are on the side of taking the flag down. this has been a very winding, winding, winding road and i look forward to it permeateing in states other than mississippi.

>> i'm introduced to a new word. vexaology, the study of flags and how they are used. there's other flags, alabama has what seems to be the confederate cross on it. there's arkansas which, according to the vexaologis says they have references. there's five of them. georgia went through a transition like this. you have tennessee. you have florida, which is the flag in the top right there. where do you go with this? do all of these flags have to go? does each deserve separate consideration? is there too far involved in something like this? >> i think each deserves its own separate consideration. i don't think there's any doubt about what the flag in south carolina stood for. i don't think there's a doubt about what the flag in mississippi stands for. if you talk about the flag in

philadelphia and mississippi, a flag the size of the studio i'm sitting in then yes, i think when you wrap this flag in all those things you understand that that is a debate that needs to be had in mississippi. i will tell you, i'm not a vexologist or anything of the sort. i don't have time to go back and get another degree. it's worthy consideration in each and every state with the symbols fly above capitols. >> it will be interesting to see what the resistance is. why people resist south carolina being a hate crime or terrorism. it will be an interesting part of the conversation. let's see what the pushback is. thank you for joining us. we will continue this conversation. appreciate it. another story here that is garnering a lot of attention. he denyied it for decades.

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all right, all eyes on the south carolina legislature this morning now that governor nikki haley called for the removal of the flag. they called it a symbol of racism. a vote by lawmakers can make it happen. governor hailey is hoping it makes a change. new evidence shows a pair hasn't gotten very far. police are ramping up the search 25 miles or so from the prison

after dna from matt and sweat was found in a cabin. the source also tells cnn the tools used in the daring escape may have been passed to the convicts hidden in frozen hamburger meat. the six baltimore police officers charged in the death of freddie gray pleaded not guilty. it comes a month after they were hit with a slew of charges ranging from murder to false imprisonment. they say gray was illegally arrested suffered a fatal spinal cord injury in the police van. they say officers did not respond to gray's calls for help. the trial is set for october 13th. i know what i'm talking about this morning. the u.s. women's soccer team advances to the quarterfinals in the world cup. it was a tough win as they struggled against columbia gaining momentum scoring twice and beating them 2-0. on friday the u.s. team heads

to ottawa where they will face china. >> germany, france australia, netherlands, england and canada still on deck in the quarterfinals. for more than 20 years, pete rose stuck to the same story. he insists he never bet on baseball while he was a player. okay? now, there's new evidence allegedly, indicating that rose did bet and heavily, while he was on the field. to discuss sports columnist covita davidson. do you buy the allegation? >> absolutely. the thing about pete rose the last 20 years the only thing that's consistent is he didn't bet as a player. he's changed every aspect of that as new evidence came forward. this is not very new. we knew in 1989 when he was banned we had temperature from a

bookie he bet. i don't think this is news to some of us. >> if he was betting while playing, is there evidence he tried to throw the games? >> no there is not evidence he tried to throw the games. it was for the reds to win. major league baseball doesn't make that distinction. gambling is gambling. doesn't matter if you are a manager or player. >> should it matter? >> i don't think so. the point of the gambling thing is about perception. it's not about throwing the game it's the fact that you could, at some point in the future have to throw a game. if you are betting on your team to win, if you are in debt to mobsters some time in the future we could have a threat to baseball's existence after the blackhawks. >> is he the a-rod with steroids, the case for a-rod is a lot of guys are doing it why

does he have to pay the price. >> a-rod has done his time. pete rose served as a good deterrent against this kind of behavior. there aren't a lot of people caught gambling. with pete it is more rampant. >> what is the evidence? >> it's a notebook found in the course of a mail fraud investigation in 1989 when mlb was investigating pete rose. it's been hidden and sealed until now. it details various bet that is pete rose and another associate of his made over the course of a couple months in 1986. >> these are detailed notes. is this his notebook? >> it was an associate of his that made the bets. pete is pete rose and you can see, it's hard to decipher in some of the days were hard to decipher for the investigators. they found at least 21 days involving pete rose. >> any chance he gets out of it

says it wasn't me it's his notebook there's no clear indication it was me? >> we have no reason to take pete rose at his word for anything. he can say all he wants. this is the nail in the coffin for the slim chance he had for reinstatement, he can kiss that good-bye. >> does he seem sleazier now? >> yeah the condition of getting reinstated when he was first banned was he showed remorse and changed his ways. he lives in las vegas. he's still gambling. he's not shown anything for anything he's done. there's no chance this goes away. >> great information. great to have you on. new event emerging in the search for the two escaped inmates. police are focusing on an area 20 miles from where they escaped from. what does this tell us about their mind set and what their next actions might be? we are going to get reaction from a criminologist that joins us next. psoriasis most of my life.

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convicts as law enforcement circling a small town 20 miles from the prison they escaped from. their dna was found in a cabin in owls head new york. i want to turn to a criminologist, just the lady to talk to. there's a lot of concern about the things we know the things we don't know. obviously, authorities are working on the latest clue the peanut butter found inside this burglarized cabin in up state new york and also we talk about the fact there was a clue of somebody seeing a man running into the woods. in terms of proximity to this prison, only 20 miles, did that surprise you? >> not at all. this is the best information we have had. it makes sense. when you start to connect the dots of everything now it's all coming together. hunting cabin that belongs to a correctional officer 25 miles from the prison. that is a distance either one of

these guys could cover in a few days. >> a couple points. prison guard owns the house or a group of them. does that surprise you? >> no. >> on the first day of hunting season you can't visit. they all hunt. it's not -- it's all in the area it's not surprising. >> in terms of how close it is do you think they would have fled the area or does this make sense? >> it makes sense when their plan "a," if it was the get away car with joyce mitchell. >> she said nope i'm out. >> maybe they had a plan "b" and that was a distraction to get to canada. i think that was their best plan. when that fell through, they are on foot having no idea what they are going to do next. they are going to lay low and hope everything blows over. >> this dna for you is big, huge?

>> absolutely huge. if they confirmed the dna belongs to one of these guys we know they were in that cabin as late as saturday. that's three days ago. that really closes the perimeter of where we can be looking. >> let's talk about the support network. joyce mitchell helped them inside. she's manipulated. there was help inside the prison. outside the prison that's what authorities are trying to figure out. sources tell us they don't believe they are getting help. what is your thought on that? >> they don't believe they are getting help yet. if they get out and calls some of their associates some could be prisoners who got out of clinton who are on the outside, who would be loyal to friends from prison or relatives. when it comes to blood, you would be amazed how relatives help. a lot of sightings or clues in western new york but that is where they are from. it is possible they split up.

>> do you think they are together or do you think they split up? >> if they are smart, they are not together. they feed each other psychologically, so it's possible they stay together. they feel bolsters more strong and courageous when they are together. >> authorities believe they are together. >> up until now, there haven't been a lot of mistakes made. this dna is arguably a mistake they made. we know other evidence imprint of a shoe or boot food wrappers where they may have laid down as a bed, imprinting grass or leaves. do the leads feel solid to you? >> some do some don't. you can't call a boot print or bed of grass a mistake. that happens when you are on the lamb. throwing away a candy wrapper, that was a mistake. a cabin in the woods, that's not a mistake, that's survival mode. they can't live in the woods forever without looking for food

and water. >> does it speak to a level of desperation? >> desperation that they are winding down. there is only so much they can do. they are laying low. that's smart. that's the smartest thing they can do. >> how long can they do that? >> not for long. it's not a mistake, it's the end of a trajectory you can't play this out forever. they have no exit plan. >> last but not least, let's talk about what is next. they can't do that forever. we know this kind of hunt by law enforcement can't happen forever. do you think one group is going to wait out the other and see who can last the longest here? >> that's the real test. they are figuring it out as they go. i think their plan is to get over the canadian border. we can cooperate with the canadian authorities but they don't have the resources we have. if they can wait it out six months or a year you are solely depending on a sighting by an

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lots of reaction this morning to president obama using the word most people have not utters in more than a decade. why did he use the "n" word and was it appropriate? >> we have a couple guests. here is the sound at issue. >> racism we are not cured of it. and it's not just a matter of not being polite to say nigger

in public that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. it's not just a matter of overt discrimination. we have -- society's don't overnight completely erase everything that happened 200 to 300 years prior. >> the question is first, why do you think the president used the word overtly? >> i mean i don't think if you listen to what folks out of the white house say, it doesn't sound like it was a calculated move on his part. this was an interview, a podcast that was recorded in a garage. in the flow of the conversation this came up. in the context of the conversation it certainly made sense. i know some people are shocked to hear him say it. in part of the response is both racial and generational. i think some people were shocked at all. i wasn't shocked by it because it made sense.

one of the effects of this was that he was able to punch through the conversation a clutter of conversation we are all having whether it's on twitter, cable news blogs or newspapers. he punched through it by using that word. again, i don't think it was deliberate. i think that was the effect. i do think, however, it is interesting whether or not he stepped on his own message by using that word. what he was saying essentially, is racism is our heritage. it's in her dna, our birthrate, racism in the way freedom and liberty is as well. it was an interesting point to make. the president, in the context of these events is speaking much more forcefully about race. >> sarah, it's unusual to hear a politician not being calculated because it you know scrambles your brain to think a politician can speak spontaneously. do you think it's a mark a sign

of the president being more comfortable saying provocative things? >> he is on his way out of the white house. there are clearly points he wants to make and things he wants to get off his chest. this was a respective way of doing it. we have been talking about it for a day or so. he was able to make his point. there is a lot of curiousty as to why he would say this word whether it was appropriate. in the broader context, he was trying to say it's not just about this word. it's about our, sort of subtext of racial history in this country. he feels freer to talk about this when you think about the president early on in his term when he was running, how he was to talking about race. it's clear you've gotten more comfortable talking about it. >> i think he absolutely knew that he was using the word and he knew why he was using it and getting us to elevate this conversation was probably his motivation. he knew. >> do you think he planned to

say it before? >> i think -- this is a highly highly intelligent man. he knows the power of this word. he knows that it will get the media yapping. that's what he wants to do get this conversation. he took a riske to do it. so far, it's paying off. it feeds into a narrative, this is a man that criticizes being too calculated too guarded. he can also be out there and guarded. let's play sound to make that point as well. >> it's like an athlete, you might slow down a little bit, you might not jump as high as you used to but i know what i'm doing and i'm fearless. when you get to that point, then you know also part of that fearlessness is because you screwed up enough times. >> sure. >> you know -- >> it's all happened. >> it's all happened. i have been through this. >> right. >> i have screwed up. >> right.

>> i have been in the barrel tumbling down niagara falls. i emerged. it's always a liberating feeling. >> that's pretty insightful to hear a president talk about feeling unplugged. >> in that conversation his tone and the cadence he's using, he sound soss so relaxed. if he was in your studio he wouldn't have felt that comfortable. in the context of that interview, he sounded like he was talking to a friend and reflecting on how he feels. i do think it's the lame duck effect. i don't think he would have been this out spoken as he has been in this second term. the question is how democrats pick up this language and conversation about race. we for instance heard hillary clinton give a major speech this past weekend. she's going to have more conversations about race in

missouri. i think that's the interesting thing. what is this conversation mean going forward for other democrats, for other folks in the country and what does it mean for what he's talking about. it's not that word. it is a systemic problem of race and racism. who knows how you could fix it. it is through conversation or policy? >> speaking of hillary clinton, let's move on to the latest polls. they do show i think, her rebounding. first, let's show you how she's fairing againls, well the reason we put this up is because it's against jeb bush. jeb has risen in the latest poll to the top of the republican pack. let me show you here. this is hillary at the top of the democratic pack. bernie sanders, 15%. jim webb 4% and martin o'malley 2%. hillary clinton, 75%. she has a resounding lead and she is leading against jeb bush

the closest competitor. does that mean she's recovered from whatever dip she's having? >> she gained ground. she has a reannouncement or whatever you want to call it. that was a good moment for her. people tended to like her speech. she said a lot of things on democrats minds. if you had second thoughts about her, maybe she won you over dur thag speech. when you look at jeb bush and hillary clinton in this poll it's clear that the panic surrounding them at least for the moment may have been overblown. now, that said it is still early. we are seeing bernie sanders drawing big crowds. for jeb bush he has a lot more credible rivals against him than hillary clinton does. we are a long way out. things could change. for now, it looks like hillary clinton is solidly in the lead. it's hard to call jeb bush anything but a front-runner. >> the biggest name hillary has to be concerned about that isn't

in the race is joe biden. >> are you making a prediction? >> no on that side of the aisle, that's the only name that would give people cause for concern. >> interesting. >> we will leave it on that note that's a good cliff hanger. >> i like that you tried to get me on that. we are following a lot of news. could the searchers be within 48 hours of catching those inmates? let's get to it. the suspects may have spent time in a cabin in this area. >> not just for dna consistent with both of the suspects on the run. >> the big push will come in the next day or two to flush these guys out. >> shocking new images of the gunmen who confessed to slaughtering nine black people in a church. they believe he was self-radicalized and acted alone. >> according to the manifesto, roof owned it. >> they should debate and work through, not have a bunch of

outsiders going in and telling them what to do. >> words matter. this has been a symbol that is very painful. announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning. welcome back to your "new day." police in new york may have a break in the search for the two convicts that escaped. there is fresh dna from richard matt and david sweat found in a burglarized cabin 25 miles from that prison. >> the good news this reinvigorates a search that had all but gone cold. there's research on how they got the tools snuggled in. let's get to that are sarah live in owls head new york. she's near the cabin where the dna was found. let's take that first. sarah? >> reporter: good morning, chris. it is another day of the search

with rain in the forecast. not a great day. authorities are confident this new lead the dna evidence is on the right track and will lead them to the two fugitives. hundreds of state and federal searchers deployed, flooding this heavily wooded area 20 miles from the maximum security prison. >> i don't think it would take a real woodsman to get on a power line and follow it to an atv trail. >> reporter: a witness found someone running from the many cabins saturday. investigators finding the dna of the escapees inside the camp burglarized. officials worry they may be a step ahead of the officers if they are monitoring police and radio communications. >> it's very rough terrain. it's not easy to get to. >> a restaurant owner