hello, i'm wolf blitzer, it's 1:00 p.m. in washington 6:00 p.m. in london, 12 o'clock p.m. in baghdad, 12:00 midnight in ho chi minh city. wherever you are around the world, thank you for joining us. up next "take it down," that's the chants that echoed across the capital grounds in south carolina today. >> take it down! take it down! >> reporter: protesters are calling from the confederate battle flag to be removed in the state capital. the legislature could discuss the issue when lawmakers convene this hour. the movement is gaining momentum following the church massacre in

charleston last week. yesterday, south carolina's governor called for the flag's removal. nikki haley was surrounded by lawmakers and civil rights leaders. our correspondent ana cabrera is joining us from columbia south carolina, the state capital. ana, you were there for the protest today. is there a sense that the lawmakers are now listening to the calls to remove the flag and that that will happen any time soon? >> well we do understand they plan to introduce legislation as they get back together here within the next few minutes in order to call this issue of removing the flag as part of this session's agenda. now, they have to add some specific amendments to the current agenda in order to do that. we're understanding that the most likely scenario to play out is that they will vote on adding that legislation. that is likely to pass. still takes two-thirds majority though, to add that to this year's session. and then they would likely later set up a time to come back this summer in the days or weeks

ahead to then debate the issue. and that process could also take a few weeks up to a month. this is still a very heated issue here in south carolina but we're seeing a huge swing in momentum for taking the flag down. you can see folks behind me sort of leaving this rally that just finished just wrapped up. we saw hundreds turn out from near and far, from across the state, blacks and whites coming together to call for the flag's removal. and we talked to a number of lawmakers who say they are listening and what we've also heard is from republicans who are traditional group who have often supported the flag's presence now changing their tune. perhaps it's because the political pressure on them has been lifted to some degree in order to be able to support this without huge retaliation. and so it will be very interesting to see how the dynamics play out. i can also tell you, wolf on the flip side we have heard from one representative who said

he does not want to take up this issue this session. he believes that it would be more of a political ploy to carry this on after a tragedy. he would rather see this happen in january. so we'll still wait and see the drama as it unfolds inside the state capital today. what we should know by the end of today is how they're going to proceed on this issue. if they choose not to take it up this session, we know the governor could still call an executive session to make that happen which she says she will do. wolf? >> she seem nikki haley, determined to do that. ana cabrera on the grounds over there, thank you very much. one of the key lawmakers standing beside the governor as she called for the removal of the confederate battle flag was democratic congressman james clyburn of south carolina. he's joining us from columbia, the state capital right now. congressman, as usual, thanks very much for joining us. and it's still a little confusing out there whether a simple majority will be needed a two-thirds majority.

you understand south carolina politics. explain what's going to happen. >> well thank you so much for having me wolf. first of all, if they were to take the issue up now it will require a two-thirds vote in order to amend the sine die resolution. they're operating under a resolution that limits them to a discussion of the budget. for them to go beyond the budget will require a two-thirds vote and a lot of them are expecting that to happen today. now, if they do not get two-thirds then the governor can call them back into a special session and at that time it will require only a simple majority vote to rescind the heritage act. now, that's what has to happen because the heritage act

requires a two-thirds vote to change any of these confederate and civil war statutes and monuments around the state. and that's what has to happen, wolf because if we only remove the flag from the statehouse it allows the citadel to -- it will require that the citadel continue to flay that flag in summerall chapel that flag, the people of charleston, having begging the citadel to please take that flag out of summerall chapel and they have an attorney general's opinion that says because of the heritage act they can not take it out. so the heritage act must be rescinded and the only thing required to rescind that is a simple majority vote. and once that act is rescinded,

two-thirds would not be needed to change the locations of the flag or any other civil war confederate memorials. >> i spoke yesterday with cornell william brooks the president of the naacp. he himself, is the son of south carolina he said a powerful statement would be if it were unanimously approved by both houses in the south carolina legislature. i suspect that is not going to happen but he's right, that would be a powerful statement indeed if it were unanimously approved. let's talk a little bit about mississippi, congressman. you and i have known each other for a long time. suddenly it's gaining momentum. the republican house speaker in mississippi now calling for his state to change its flag which includes the confederate insignia. we'll show a picture of that. are you surprised how quickly this momentum seems to be gaining strength? >> yes, i am surprised of that because because they've had a

referendum statewide a referendum in mississippi and i think it was like 60/40 to leave it alone. but you know what? i'm willing to bet that the vast majority of that 60% have no idea that that flag that insignia that's a part of their flag is really the battle flag of northern virginia. they keep thinking that is the confederate flag. that's not the confederate flag and i think that if all the lawmakers and all of the teachers and -- where to begin to teach the correct history then people will know that they have no reason to be celebrating this flag. now, that won't satisfy everybody because there are a lot of people in mississippi who know exactly what that flag is and that's what they want to celebrate. but one of my best friends in the congress who's been a friend

of mine for a long long time is congressman benny thompson. i would love to see a flag representing mississippi that benny thompson would be comfortable putting by his -- next to his door as we all do most of us anyway in washington. because of that emblem being embodied in the flag benny thompson does not display that flag at his office door in washington. and he wants to display the flag. he loves mississippi. but he would love for mississippi not to have an emblem that's insulting to the people many of the people who come to his office. >> congressman thompson by the way, benny thompson of mississippi will be one of my guests later in the situation room today. we'll talk about ( what you just raised with him and have a serious discussion with him on that as well. one final quick question is you

know that president obama will be at the memorial service, the funeral services on friday together with the first lady and the vice president joe biden. what specifically congressman do you want to hear the president say? he says he's now freer to say what he wants to say on the issue of race relations in the united states. >> well i have been talking with president obama a lot about this issue in recent weeks. we had the opportunity to talk quite a bit when we were working on his trade package. he called me last thursday as we worked our way to the ame church and he was shaken. he knew representative pinckney and he was absolutely shaken by all of this. i think that the president has grown very weary of having to

circumvent these issues which a lot of people thought was the appropriate thing to do as president of the united states. but i think he's reached a conclusion that he needs to meet this issue head on and appeal to the good people of south carolina the good people of the united states of america to reach out to each other and start turning against each other when you know that you are celebrating something that is not even true and is insulting to a third of your population you ought to be able to get beyond that and that's a higher number in mississippi and in louisiana and in georgia. maybe a lesser number in arkansas and a lesser number in- florida. but all of these state flags have embodied in them something

that is representative of the civil war and the confederacy and i believe that the president is going to strike a tone that will help the people of good will get beyond this issue that has gotten so much consternation and given a certain amount of'm boldment, if that's a good word to these people who celebrate this ill-fated pursuit of something that never really happened. >> you make a good point. in mississippi, by the way, 40% of the population of the state of mississippi is african-american. 40%. lesser in some of the other states you mentioned. congressman, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you so much for having me. and this just coming into cnn, ebay now joining walmart

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\jb \ here in the united states, the confederate flag debate is growing. now walmart, sears, kmart and ebay have pledged to stop selling confederate flag merchandise. ebay says "we have decided to prohibit confederate flags because we believe it has become a contemporary symbol of divisiveness and racism." let's go to christina alearn shi joining us live from new york. christina, you got a chance to speak with the walmart ceo. why did they decide to take this action? >> well wolf, one of the first things that came to my mind was why was this merchandise not removed years ago, right? walmart says look we have over seven million items and that number is growing. it's simply very difficult for us to keep track of everything that's on all of our web sites in all of our stores. take a listen to what the ceo had to say himself.

>> we just don't want to sell products that makes anyone feel uncomfortable and we felt like that was the case. this was the right thing to do. >> were you shocked to see that kind of merchandise on walmart's platforms? >> i was surprised. yeah. >> what was your reaction? >> let's don't sell it. >> christina, is walmart planning any changes on guns for examples? especially after all the horrific gun incidents we've seen here in the u.s. in recent months? >> since it's the largest gun retailer in the country, i would assume that they're going to continue to come under criticism for selling guns but in walmart's mind it's very clear having been reporting on this company now that it really divides the gun market into two -- one is hunting, the other is assault rifles. again, here's the ceo on that issue. >> our focus as it relates to firearms should be hunters and people who shoot sporting clays and things like that. so the types of rifles we sell

the types of ammunition we sell should be curated for those things and we believe in serving those customers, we have for a long time and we believe we should continue to. >> wolf one's got to think -- and, again, having covered this company now -- i really do think they're probably going to have to re-evaluate constantly the kinds of guns they sell. of course you know even some hunting guns can qualify as semiautomatics and they can do an extreme amount of damage and massacres as we have seen so walmart will keep a close eye on this and i'm going to continue to follow that story. >> i'm sure you are, christina. we'll stay in close touch with you, thanks very much for that important interview. we'll take a quick break, much more on the confederate flag controversy. much more on what's going on on that whole issue in the south. also we'll update you on what's going on in the search for two escapees two convicted killers. they're still on the loose,

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. let's get back to the breaking news right now, the south carolina legislature. they are meeting right now, they're convening this hour to take up the entire issue of the removal of the confederate flag from statehouse grounds. there have been various calls for lawmakers and the community to take the flag down following the shooting deaths of nine african-americans at a historic black church nor charleston. let's discuss what's going on with gordon raye a criminal defense attorney a civil war historian, author of "carrying the flag."

she's joining us live from charleston and cnn political commentator, the democratic strategist donna brazile, she's here with me. donna, you're a daughter of the south, you're from louisiana. like congressman clyburn, you're probably surprised how quickly this is gaining momentum. . you have nikki haley, the two republican senators all came out yesterday and said "remove the flag." >> wolf i was struck by her leadership because in the past she's been reluctant. as you know, this campaign to remove the flag has been going on for almost a decade led by the naacp and others. this is a moral issue. this is not just the regular political partisan issue. i think in honor of the parishioners those who were murdered and slaughtered in that church that day, i think we should take it down. it should not be an argument it should just come down. >> give us a little background on the flag flying on the state grounds over there, gordon in

south carolina. this was not the flag that was flown during the civil war. it was a separate flag that was put up correct me if i'm wrong in the '60s during the height of the civil rights movement in the united states. is that right? >> that's true. it was obviously modeled after the confederate battle flag dedicated to the proposition that all men are not created equal, that some people have the right to own other people and that this concept should be expanded to new territories and it was also the battle flag of a government that espoused white supremacy ideas and that stepped in to enforce those. almost from the modern point of view state-spopnsored terrorism. when i grew up in the 1950s and '60s, it was clearly the symbol of anti-civil rights movement it was clearly the symbol of white supremacist organizations. it has no place on a statehouse. i marched in the march, oh back in 2000 to get it off of the top of the statehouse. we finally got it on to the

grounds of the staus and hopefully now they'll see it going forever. i, too, applaud what the politicians in south carolina are doing today. i think it's going to set a whole new tone for the discussion. >> i think everybody is impressed how quickly this is moving in south carolina. let's talk about your home state of louisiana, donna. i think it's about 30% african-american, the population of louisiana. it's one of nine states. we did some research that still allows that confederate flag to be shown on license plates. terry mcauliffe the governor of virginia today said he was removing it and in x the tx the supreme court said they can remove it. why is it still allowed in louisiana? >> because as you know, there's a resistance to taking down those what i call symbols of the past symbols of so-called heritage and one's family's history. i think it's time we move beyond what the past represented to us and i would hope that governor jindal and others would begin to

take that leadership role. it will be difficult. i can tell you many days i've driven in louisiana. i'm going home next week and i can tell you, not just license plates but people riding in trucks and cars with flags all over and i'm -- i applaud walmart and others for taking the flags. >> let me ask gordon rhea about that. gordon all these big retailers like walmart and others we mentioned removing the sale of these confederate flags. i guess it's pretty surprising how quickly this is happening as well. you're a son of the south. >> i am a son of the south. as a matter of fact my great granddaddy was a confederate captain, he was a slaveholder. but that doesn't mean i have to agree with what he stood for. i think it was abominable and i think it's time south yearnerners stop and face their history. i'm glad walmart and other companies are doing what they've doing. traditionally in the south they say "well, it wasn't about slavery, it was about state's

rights t" but if you ask what rights of the states it was about, it was about the right to have slaves. people also talk about this is a heritage issue. it is a heritage issue but it's a haftful heritage. it's a cause, a confederacy that no one can be proud of. i'm glad we're having this conversation. the flag's got to go. >> let me quickly donna, get your thoughts on the president of the united states in that interview in the podcast over the weekend. he was speaking freely about race relations in america and he said this. listen to this. >> i guess the last thing is you lose fear. >> that's right. >> i was talking to somebody the other day about why i actually think i'm a better president and would be a better candidate if i were running again than i ever have been and it's sort of like an athlete. you might slow down a little bit, you might not jump as high

as you used to but i know what i'm doing and i'm fearless. >> "i'm fearless," he said. and he also in a bit of controversy used the "n" word as part of that fearless new president obama dealing with these sensitive issues. your reaction. >> well i saw the president recently wolf and i went up to him and i said "mr. president, i have your back." and he said "you have my back?" and i said "yes, sir." and there's a rhythm in him now. there's something i do not see six years ago or even six months ago. and i don't know what it is. but what i feel is his inner strength. the belief he's doing right by the american people and he's i think, frustrated to the point that he wants to speak out on some of these important issues and i'm glad he tried to make the point. many people went past him, they didn't understand they got focussed on the word and not the meaning and that's part of the problem. >> did you have the use of the word as opposed to just saying the "n" word? >> let me just tell you something. i got my butt whipped by my

parents when i tried to use it as a child so i was cured early on. my parents taught us that is the word that is used to dehumanize my father my grandfathers my mother and my grandmother. so we were told never to use the that word and i don't use it. and i don't listen to music that uses the word. but the president was trying to make a point and i'm glad that he made it. but unfortunately it went right above some people and they focused on that. but i want to say, i have a brother in south carolina after katrina and three nephews. they're my youngest. i don't want nothing to happen to them. i can pray everyday of my life but those are young boys and they want to be men. i know them. i want them to grow up in a country unlike the country my parents grew up in my grandparents and me. i want them to be free of all of this and i will work for them. i will work for them. >> i'm sure you will. donna, thank you very much. donna brazile, gordon rhea thank you very much we'll take a quick break and be right back.

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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer reporting from washington. we have some breaking news we're following in the hunt for those two escaped killers in upstate new york. a law enforcement source telling cnn the two fugitives were caught by surprise after breaking into a cabin in an area west of the prison about 20 miles or so away and that apparently -- that apparently caused them to leave a number of personal items behind. we also have new details on the

tools the killers apparently used to cut through steel-cell walls. it turns out they may have been smuggled into the prison in a frozen block of meat. let's go to morris sanchez on the ground at the police command post in cadyville, new york. boris, tell us what you've learned about the items these two fugitives may have left behind at that hunting cabin. >> wolf we learned they left behind a number of personal items at that cabin that was broken into over the weekend where dna was found that matched richard matt and david sweat. we know they left behind a pair of boots, sources tell us that means one of the inmates could be barefoot but we don't know if he picked up another pair of boots or shoes at the cabin. if he is it has to be very difficult. the weather very gloomy. it's been raining most of the day considering, the fact he's moving around the adirondack mountains, a terrain that's

rugged. it has to be difficult out there. we've heard it's difficult for investigators, a source telling cnn the weather is slowing down the investigation. wolf? >> there's also been some new information on how the tools may have been smuggled into the prison. what have you learned. >> some bizarre details there, wolf, investigators tell us it's likely the tools were brought to the inmates into their cell through a frozen package of hamburger meat. in the honor block, the inmates are allowed to cook their own meals so it wouldn't have been out of place for the inmates to ef-their own food. it's believed joyce mitchell convinced a guard at the prison to pass the meat through without going through a metal detector. investigators are looking at that as a probable method of getting the tools inside of the inmates. inmates. >> it's still hard to believe two convicted murderers are allowed in that so-called honor look where they get special

privileges at that maximum security prison but i guess they did exactly that. boris, thanks very much. boris sanchez reporting from the scene of this investigation. the husband, by the way, of joyce mitchell spoke to nbc's matt lauer about his wife and her alleged role until the inmates' escape plan. lyle mitchell says he was caught completely off guard about the allegations that his wife the prison tailor had a part a significant part in the plan. and he describes what happened when he learned they were both wanted for questioning. >> what was her reaction and what was your reaction? >> i couldn't believe it. her reaction when she said "they really escaped?" and i left it at that. >> you've known her for 21 years. you looked in her eyes? nothing looked unusual? >> nothing. i said do they want to talk to us because we know them? so we went right to the place

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we're following new developments in the hunt for the two escaped killers in upstate new york. a law enforcement source telling cnn the two fugitives were caught by surprise after breaking into a cabin in an area west of the prison. that apparently caused them to leave personal items behind including a pair of boots. let's discuss what's going on with our law enforcement analyst, the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. tom, if these two guys were there and sort of ran away, the authorities have to be close. they have to be getting closer and closer if they're still together in that general vicinity 20 or 30 miles from the prison. >> i would think so wolf. if they ran out the door barefoot, if they left boots behind or had no other pretext -- >> i can't believe they would run out barefoot. they would run out with another pair maybe have other shoes. >> maybe somebody left gear in that cabin for when they come and they upgraded. >> you know that upstated a ron daks area you can't run around

bare food. >> no you would have your feet cut open from walking barefoot then it gets infected and if you don't get help you die out there. so maybe they upgraded maybe whoever owned that cabin had boots and other gear stored there that could help them. >> what else will they be looking for other than the dna evidence that apparently they found? what else will they be looking for to give them clues not only on where they may have gone which obviously would be good but who may have helped them? >> well they'll have trouble finding that kind of information. if they left papers behind, if they did leave in a hurry and they had a map that showed exactly where they're going to or who they're going to contact or phone numbers, sure that would be tremendous. but even just having the dna in the first place is great. but the other problem with this is that we haven't heard the exact timeline how long did it take them to get the perimeter set up from the time they ran out the back door of this cabin into the woods and down the road? you know it takes time to get hundreds of police officers to set up a perimeter around a deeply wooded area. and during that time could they

have gotten out? could the current perimeter not have them? >> but what may be more significant than the personnel on the ground -- and you've done this -- is if helicopters flying overhead they've got infrared devices that may be able to find heat-seeking -- some indications these guys are actually out there. that potentially could be more important. >> it could. but we've heard about the bad weather at night up there, the torrential rain and thunderstorms. so the question is how many hours could the helicopters fly? what time of day and would that have given them enough time to get out? at the time they were originally spotted in the morning on saturday they had all day to get out and the infrared equipment isn't as helpful during the daytime as it is at night. >> what do you make of this report that cnn broke the news that they smuggled in some of the tools they may have used to get out in this frozen meat package or whatever that didn't go through metal detectors?

>> i would work that backwards. how big of a hunk of meet can you bring into your cell or the tailor shop. what do you do with a large piece of meat? >> and if there's a saw there, can you get through concrete or steel with a saw like that? >> from what we've heard, the only thing we've heard about up to now is small tools, small drill bits a hacksaw or something. i've said cutting through the large foot wide concrete walls and pipes, if you only have small hand tools, you know, that's like trying to cut a tree down with a steak knife. that would be a big challenge. >> i know you have a theory and i don't know if there's any evidence to it that maybe they didn't even do that. that somebody from the outside went through that manhole and got through, snaked his way into the area outside the cell and it was there that they managed to cut through and break through that steel, that concrete and get these guys o out. in other words, they had help from the outside. that's a theory. >> it's a theory because of the size of the tools. could they have gotten those tools and used them from the

inside to go out through the wall or if they had partners either contractors or other employees of the prison could they have come in and sawed their way to them. >> that makes sense because there's a lot of construction going on in that clinton correctional facility. it's an old facility. the urg the day you're hearing pounding going on. this is what people are said're hearing a lot of noise all the time. >> and if one cut their way in they would have left hairs, fibers dna evidence. ma inthey cut themselvesen the wall when they were coming in the tunnel through the wall. unfortunately, the governor chose to take a camera crew and go through that hole and down the wall and may have taken evidence with them when they went through. that was a crime scene that was not protected. >> it could have been protected. you live and learn. thanks very much tom, for that. tom fuentes helping us better appreciate what's going on. up next, the war in iraq has drawn comparisons to another military conflict in america's

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lived through it. >> they took off for the carriers waiting in the south china sea. there was no room so the navy men ordered the pilots to ditch in the ocean. >> we were living in a period of what they called huberes, overwinning pride. how were they going to defeat us? >> once we saw the pictures on television a disorderly retreat and that ate within ourselves, this is not who we thought we were. >> to see what was in store for the south vietnamese people to see the people struggling to get out and the horrible triage and choices that had to be made was clearly one of the lows in my life. >> the communist forces, about

3 1/2 hours after the end of the dramatic evacuation and the vietnamese. >> there's no way to capture one evening's broadcast. the suffering and grief of a subcontinent of war. there's no way to capture the suffering and grief of our own nation from the most divisive conflict since our own civil war. and vietnam we finally reached the end of the tunnel and there is no light there. what is there, perhaps, was best said by president ford. a war that is finished. >> and winston lord is joining us now. a former special assistant to henry kissinger, china played a very key role in the negotiations that aimed at ending the vietnam war. the peace agreement. ambassador thanks very much for joining us. very quickly, just remind our viewers here in the united states and around the world how that defeat for the united

states and vietnam changed america. >> well there was some short-term impacts and long-term impacts, very quickly, of course overseas it had a terrible tragic impact on the indochina people with the brutality of north vietnam and vietcong. whatever the terrible cost of the war, we did buy time for stability in southeast asia. thirdly, overseas i think it caused adventures in africa and afghanistan and ironically that helped the soviet empire when they went into afghanistan. most importantly -- and this is on the impact of the american people -- in the short term the opening to china the middle east diplomacy, put this terrible withdrawal and defeat in a corner of southeast asia in

the respect of the bigger geopolitical events and helped with the pain and angst of our withdrawal and showed that america can still work on the world stage. finally, there was a great reluctance to get involved in combat in what was civil conflicts or perceived to be civil conflicts and that's been with us ever since. while that's been partly overtaken by 9/11 and the threat of terrorism. >> there's been a lot of comparisons recently between the vietnam war and the war in iraq. all of a sudden we're hearing words like mission creep, the loss of blood and pressure, a never-ending conflict. are those comparisons fair? what happened in vietnam and what's happening now in iraq from the u.s. perspective? >> there are some parallels and obviously some differences. it was in a different kind of war and different context of the bipolar cold war against the russians and with china looming

and now, of course you have conflicts taking place essentially within states rather than across borders. there is a similarity that i already mentioned. you've got to be careful involved in trying to manipulate forces within a country that are going to separate out the solutions for themselves. now, having said that we should remember that the vietnam war was not just a civil war. there was a tremendous invasion from north vietnam, which kept it going and which broke the peace agreement, unlike iraq where you don't have that and you don't have a north vietnam with sanctuaries in laos and vietnam. and after the peace agreement, we cut off aid, we didn't respond to north vietnamese invasion and we letdown our ally. if it had any chance at all, it was lost because we cut off military and economic assistance whereas in iraq the jury is still out whether the iraq

government and the people can muster enough domestic support to defeat the enemy. >> very quickly, ambassador for those of us who lived through the horrendous video, the pictures that we saw with the u.s. embassy in saigon being taken over the helicopters removing the u.s. diplomats, all of those people dying in the process of that evacuation can you envision similar, horrific scene happening in baghdad around the u.s. embassy, the so-called green zone right now? >> no i don't think so. i believe the situations are entirely different. but that was a very painful time of course in all of our lives, the fall of saigon. and whatever the shortcomings of the saigon government it was nothing compared to the brutality of the people who took over. and whatever the isolated incidents, they were an exception for us. whereas, the north vietnamese

caused melee every day. the other part that was so terrible about the fall of saigon was i think the peace agreement could have worked for several reasons if we had maintained assistance to south vietnam. we thought that the chinese and russians would help limit aggression. we thought economic assistance to north vietnam would make them take their time. so we were not naive about their intentions. any chance we had of the peace agreement holding up was undercut by the looming crisis of watergate. >> a lot of lessons to be learned from that. winston lord thank you for joining us. and to our viewers here in the u.s. and around the world, don't miss "the seventies" airing here on cnn on thursday at 9:00 p.m.

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