good evening. 9:00 p.m. eastern time. perhaps a few minutes away from an arraignment in connection with the escape of two killers from dannemora, new york. corrections officer gene palmer the man who gave matt the hamburger meat with the hacksaw

blade that joyce mitchell admitted to hiding. according to the local district attorney, palmer gave matt and sweat access to the caught walk behind their cells, the catwalk they would use to make their escape. a team of investigators from the state inspector's general office arrived today at the prison. of course sweat and matt remain at large. a very big night already. not over yet. jason carroll has the the latest on tonight's arraignment and joins us now by phone. what do we know about exactly the charges gene palmer is facing? >> well there were several charges, andersen, we are hearing he will be facing, facing at this point. one being promoting dangerous contraband, the other destroying evidence. another charge of official misconduct. i'm told that these are low-level felonies but still very serious charges nonetheless. i have been in contact with his attorney and his attorney tells me that he had no knowledge of what was inside the frozen slab

of hamburger meat passed on to richard matt. he also said that, his client, is extremely distraught over everything that has happened. and extremely remorseful. but having said that, that slab of frozen meat not passed through a metal detector which was a violation of prison policy. the destroying evidence charge, anderson, could have something to do with paintings and/or drawings. you have heard in the past about richard matt providing paintings and drawings to people like joyce mitchell. but apparently also gave several to gene palmer as well. and -- and i'm told that gene palmer may have destroyed some of the paintings and/or drawings after he heard about richard matt and david sweat's escape. so at this point we are waiting for that arraignment scheduled to happen some time early this evening. anderson. >> jason, i understand you are on your way to court. do you have an exact time when it is going to start?

>> well, i've -- in fact just got off the phone with his attorney asking more specifics about the timing of this. i am just told it will be this evening. it should be happening sometime shortly. but you know court cases go through the system, andersen, shortly could mean an hour or two. >> we will obviously try to bring it to our viewers whenever possible. jason carroll, thank you. joining us legal analyst former federal prosecutor sonny hostin. what do you make of the new charges? >> i think they're significant. low level felonies, class d and e. still criminal exposure. talking for dangerous prison contraband, that's one to seven years, destruction of evidence, one to four years. these are significant charges. if they're going to treat him the same way or similar the way they treated joyce mitchell we are going to see someone that may get a bond but may still be in prison. some one who is persp walked.

and someone sent the message being involved in a prison break is a serious matter. i will tell you man of us don't have experience with this, in law enforcement, because it doesn't happen that often. >> the fact that he has by all accounts even the district attorney saying, he has been cooperative, he took a polygraph, with the district attorney saying they believe he passed that polygraph he didn't have prior knowledge of the, of the escape. he dent knidn't know what was i hamburgermality. is that taken into account? >> i think so. that is going to be an important piece of this. intent is important when you are talking, promoting dangerous contraband. i think that is going to be important. i think why he destroyed whatever evidence he may have destroyed, i think his intent behind it is going to be very, very important. but again, they treated joyce mitchell as a very bad actor she obviously didn't act alone. i suspect they're going to treat him similarly as a bad actor.

>> all right, sonny hostin. thank you. want to go to gary tuchman with more on investigation into the security lapses at the prison. the inspectors from the attorney general's office what are you learning about the probe tonight? >> what we know, investigators are at checking out allegations of breaches of security protocol that may have led to the escape. they are interviewing employees and guards and investigating whether other employees or guards might have had or have improper relationship with the inmates. and investigating richard matt's painting proclivities, trying to find out as additionally giving paintings as gifts to joyce mitchell and gene palmer if he gave paintings as gifts to others in prison, which would be improper accepting gifts from a murderer. >> gary, these paintings, do you know do investigators have any reason to believe if he gave

them to other people joyce mitchell and gene palmer is the idea there was a quid pro quo here? >> don't know if there is a quid pro quo. but we do know that sources are telling us they do believe he gave many paintings out. why he gave the paintings? what he was hoping to get from them? we don't know. all part of the investigation in this weird and troubling case. >> gary, appreciate the update tonight. a fast-moving story. now a former inmate at dannemora who knew matt and sweat and joyce mitchell and gene palmer, eric jensen has a lot to say. about what he saw. he joins us. thank you for joining us. >> what do you know about the relationship or alleged relationship between joyce mitchell and david sweat? >> what do i know? i know what i seen first time from my times i was in clinton correctional. >> what did you see? >> i seen them exchanging gifts. i seen her bringing in things, tattoo ink, art supplies, food. >> what, what year are you talking about? >> 2011-2012.

>> was this while he was, do you know if he was still working in the tailor shop? >> i was working in the tailor shop with him. in tailor three. he was the supervisor in the tailor shop. >> i talked to the district attorney earlier tonight he said, joyce mitchell said there wasn't a sexual relationship, he had no evidence there was a sexual relationship between her and david sweat. do you believe there was? >> from what i have seen, yes, i have no evidence of it. i can't say i ever seen them having sex or any kind of sexual favors. but from what i have seen and, like their interactions while i was there, yes. >> you think there was enough intimacy in their interactions? >> i definitely believe that. enough intimacy, enough time alone. anything could have happened behind. >> were you aware at the time that she also had an intimate relationship or she had an intimate relationship with richard matt? >> no, i wasn't. i wasn't. this was three years prior. >> prior. >> correct. >> what was she like? >> she reminded me like a grandmother. old

older woman. happy, giddy. always be bringing stuff in, donuts. coffee. we are allowed to drink coffee, smoke cigarettes down there. drink coffee. smoke cigarettes. she would come in. talk the day. tell us what to do. other than that we don't hear from her. >> what was david sweat and richard matt like. >> richard matt was quiet. i didn't know richard matt that well. we worked out together. we played chess together. david sweat. we discussed our art work. he is the artist. he is the one who drew the pictures and paintings and stuff like that. >> really? >> yes, we exchanged art work. >> he would give them to matt. mat would give them out. >> that's probably what happened. that's probably what happened. >> gene palmer, the guard you knew him as well? he was there 20-some odd years. >> he was there. come in. walk through the tailor shop building. there is tailor one, tailor two. up to tailor eight. walk through the tailor shop. say hi. he worked the metal detector some times by the main gate when you are going into the main building.

>> so he worked the metal detector. >> he was there a couple times, yes. >> that's interesting. the allegation is that he brought in this hamburger meat that didn't go through the metal detector. sort of ironic if he in the past worked the metal detector. >> right. a block, honor block was right there by the metal detector when you come in to the, from the tailor shop. you walk outside the tailor shop. then you walk back up into the facility. through the main gate. and then you go through the metal detector. loop back around where you came from and go to your cellblock. >> did it make sense when you heard joyce mitchell gives gene palmer this hamburger meat that had tools in it and he dent put it through the metal detector and was welling to give it to matt or sweat, does that make sense to you? >> it doesn't make sense coming from a security standpoint. there has also been times when officers go out hunting, big deer hunters in dannemora, malone, they will bring in venison for the inmates have them cook it up. sometimes, give and take relationship.

if he was supplying him with information doing this or that for him. >> that's not unusual a guard would maybe give supplies or something to an inmate particularly if that inmate was providing them. >> not at all. if they do a cell search you have stuff they're not supposed to have. they will take that stuff. you know who they give it to you? they give it to people giving them information. supply them with radios. whatever it is. just to keep the information rolling back in. >> was it known who was giving information to guards? if somebody is getting special stuff. >> no, no. i don't think anybody knew. in that facility. you don't want to be labeled as a snitch. in any facility. especially that one. >> when also, we know that gene palmer apparently gave access to matt and sweat to the catwalks behind the cells. did that surprise you? >> no. it doesn't. >> really? >> there is a facility maintenance workers who are inmates as well. they come around. when your breaker pops in the back, you plug your hot plate in, you rig it up, so it pulls out a lot more power, because we

can fry fish, chicken, all types of stuff. if it pops all the power in your cell depogoes out. tv, light. inmates used to go back there. pay the maintenance worker to rig up your fuse in the back. you can have your tv, fan, light and be cooking at the same time nothing would pop. >> so, couldn't the maintenance worker go back instead of the prisoner. >> no there was prison maintenance workers. a maintenance work program where you go around and do all these things. >> i see. the maintenance worker is an inmate himself? >> correct. correct. correct. you pay him. give him cigarettes, whatever it was in there he wanted. >> do you think they're going to get caught? >> yes. yes, i do. >> you do? >> why? they don't seem to have much experience in the wilderness. but it has been, you know it has been significant amount of time so far. >> it has been. but they don't where they're going. their plan fell through the moment they popped their head through the manhole. joyce wasn't there waiting for them. now i think they're going any

which way. >> when you were there did you have a sense of the layout of the prison? seemed like they were able to develop a sense of the layout of the prison. >> let me tell you something. in the tailor shop you have windows that face dannemora, they face out over the wall. you can actually see from the tailor shop windows that street where it intersects and where that manhole cover is. you can see the whole town. yes, you can. >> that's interesting. >> eric, appreciate you being on telling us what you know. >> you are very welcome. >> really appreciate it. coming up next we wait for gene palm ear nig palmer's night in court. his arraignment could come in this hour or the next. jason carroll is going there as we speak. we are going to wait to hear from him. we'll explore the parallels between this manhunt and the marathon search for eric rudolph, the man who led the effort he jones us ahead. later the remarkable effort to redeem the site of the mass murder, the bible study group that met tonight in the same

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there are two prison workers in custody, two apparently gullible and allegedly culpable prison workers in jail about to be arraigned. gene palmer arraignment could happen any moment. two prisoners, two cold-blooded killers of course are still at large. now it has been nearly three weeks since david sweat and richard matt broke out of prison emerged from a manhole into a part of new york state where wildlife and acres of wilderness far outnumber people. the wilderness and the fact that they're out there remind people of a manhunt for eric rudolph, and more on the parallels now. >> reporter: he killed three people, injured dozens and terrorized the nation in the

1990s. eric rudolph, better known as olympic park bomber made the fbi's ten most wanted list after bombing centennial olympic park during the 1996 summer olympics. later bombing two abortion clinics and a lesbian bar. former cnn producer henry schuster and co-author of "hunting eric rudolph" followed every step of the manhunt. >> he was smart. he was sly. >> reporter: rudolph, a known loner, survivalist and trained army vet managed to evade authorities for five years in the thickly wooded appalachian wilderness of north carolina. early on authorities say he never stayed in a camp for too long, always on the move, and one step ahead of search teams. >> everybody is watching their houses. >> reporter: nearby residents were on alert while hundreds of agents combed the woods looking for tracks around water sources and inside caves. but the trail ended cold year

after year. >> eric rudolph had home field advantage. he had been playing in these woods since he was a kid. he camped in them when he was a teenager. he knew these woods intimately. >> reporter: rudolph spotted in july, 1998. he turned up at the home of the owner of a health food store trying to buy food. the owner recognized him and refused. but when the owner returned two days later, he found that 75 pound of food and his truck were missing. on the table, five $100 bills. authorities say rudolph killed and ate turkeys, deer, bears, sal manneders, and stole corn, soy beans and grain from bins at a giant cornfield. to stay warm during bitter cold win winters authorities say he would break into cabins and bundle himself of in piles of leaves. >> eric rudolph was living off

the grid before he had to go off the grid. it was as if he had been preparing for this. >> reporter: despite years of searching for rudolph deep in the wood. he was finally arrested dumpster diving in the back of a grocery store looking for fruits and vegetables to freeze for the winter. >> it was luck they had given up the hunt. they had given up the chase. and he fell into their laps. >> reporter: after his arrest, rudolph described his chase with police as a long camping trip that lasted five years. investigators in upstate new york hunting for david sweat and richard matt hope it takes significantly less than half a decade to catch these two wanted fugitives. rosa flores, cnn, new york. joining us, former fbi assistant director, and the founder/owner of mountain scout survival school.

chris, is there anything co comparable in these man hunts or hunt for rudolph because of his being able to preposition and preplan or is it completely different? >> well the concepts are the same. a manhunt in a rural area is very labor intensive. manpower intensive. you have, have to set up a perimeter. the difference here is that they really didn't know where they were. they didn't have an immediate area to search from. we had his house we could work outward from the house. i was part of the beginning of the fugitive hunt, i came in later, sort of the executive level overseeing the whole thing. and at that point it had become a fugitive investigation. not so much a manhunt as a real investigation. contrary to what you heard. there was no giving of on it. but it had taken a different form. at that pin toint you can't kee 1,000 officers out there for five years. >> what is the time line for something like this? you now have 1,000 people apparently looking for sweat and matt. how long can that go on for? >> i think they will have good

staying power down in pennsylvania. it was one of their own. in this case, you know, new york state, prison escapee, i think the state has a vested interest in having a lot more staying power than normal. so i think they're going to be out there, they'll stay as long as it takes. in reality there is a time when resources start to dwindle. you can't keep that pace up. in this case there is every reason to stay on it. because they're -- they are on foot, they are probably not as well positioned as rudolph was. they don't have preplanned sites that they had prepared. food they had stocked. they don't know the area like rudolph knew that area. he knew it very well. >> shane, if you don't know, if you don't have experience in the forest, how difficult is it to survive for, for weeks and weeks and weeks? >> you are not. simply if you don't have the skills and the relationship of knowing how to make a proper shelter, insulated with or without a fire, you have to get out of the elements. they're exhausted. they're dehydrated you.

have to filter water. can't assume it is safe out there. don't know your edibles, medicinals, simply do not have the skills you have to skirt in and around these urban environments and utilize the things you already know you can get. >> if you don't have prepositioned supplies, and you don't know the wilderness, you have to spend an awful lot of time just on the basics, not just escaping but on the basics of finding food and water. >> right without cardinal four, in the world of survival, four steps. now there is a difference here of between survival situation, let's say of a disaster zone or something along that line where i want to be found. i want to take the time to make a shelter and purify my water. this is not the approach. they dent want to be found. don't want their stuff discovered. they're not going to make a fire on the landscape and have plume of smoke. they're using resources there. we have tons of these vacation cabins, seasonal cabins. we don't know what's in there. we assume that one of them is barefoot. how do we know they didn't take another pair of shoes.

don't know if there was a shotgun there or anything else available. food. intel, was the radio working. did they grab a radio? was the internet working? we have no idea. so, survival in that environment, absluolutely grew l if you don't have skills. you will find the guys, skirting the suburban, urban areas. >> a reminder, chris, white it is crucial that the information is out there and people keep their eyes open. it may not be the actual searchers who spot one of the guys or both guys might be a civilian living out there. >> absolutely. that is law enforcement and the overall manhunt's single most effective tool is keeping their faces in the press. keaching the information out there. and using the force multiplier of getting everyone in the area looking for them. and, if you see something, say something. i don't think there is anybody in the area that wouldn't pick up and call if they saw something. >> no doubt about it. chris, appreciate you being on. shane, as well. fascinating stuff. again, dannemora prison guard

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no longer will mean legal trouble for families whose loved ones are held hostage. president obama ordered changes to the u.s. hostage policy. he is giving the green light to pay ransom for kidnapped loved ones without the fear of prosecution. a stunning admission the white house confirms more than 30 americans are being held hostage abroad that includes those held by terror groups, drug cartels and criminal gangs. and president obama is vowing those families will no longer feel abandoned. >> many of the families told us that they at times felt like an afterthought or a distraction. that too often the law enforcement or military intelligence officials they were interacting with were begrudging in giving them information. and that ends today. i am making it clear that these families are to be treated like

what they are, our trusted partners and active partners in the recovery of their loved ones. >> while many families have asked for that including those of murdered isis hostages kayla muller, james foley, an aide worker and journalist. both kidnapped in syria. their parents were outraged and embarrassed how the government dealt with their cases telling them not to talk about them in public and never to exchange money with terrorists because they might be prosecuted. tonight the rules are history. families can now openly fight for freedom. joining me to talk about the shift, david rhode and his wife christa mullvehill. david was kidnapped by the taliban, escaped seven months later, now an investigative reporter at reuters and cnn global analyst. we have talked a lot about this over the last several years, what do you make of the announcement, a shift in policy is it a step in the right direction? >> i think it is a step in the right direction.

as you said it is a victory for these families. they were all at the meeting, all four families of the hostages, the american hostages that were killed, the foleys, mullers, you mentionened and families of steven sotlof and it is amazing they came, participated in the review, a month's long process and came back to washington and faced all these feelings and all these memories and all the frustrations. but, you know it's a real achievement what happened today for them. >> kristin, you were at the meeting today between the president and the families of hostages, what was it like? >> yes. it was a very serious environment. the president came in, he was very personable. he made a pin toint to go to ea person and shake their hand on the way in and at the end of the session. he started off by saying he could relate to this. he thought about this not only as president, but as a father and as a spouse. and that really resonated with the families. and he also, you know said he understood that his family

members, your seoole goal is to bring your family member home and people would want to go to any length to do that. the families really appreciated that. >> david, it is an odd line that the administration is walking here, on the one hand saying it is still u.s. government policy paying ransoms to terrorists is prohibited on the other hand saying it basically would ignore the law where families are involved? >> it is true. that's the sort of core problem here. this is a compromise that doesn't -- again these are steps forward, but you know, these families, you know they asked me then i think the asked the president today will these, you know, changes necessarily bring people home? and they went necessarily. the issue is -- paying ransoms or releasing prisoners. european government we have talked about it have paid, tens of millions of dollars in ransoms. and you know the thing that would bring people home would be if the u.s. government would start doing that. most americans oppose that. according to opinion polls. so today is sort of a compromise. at the least a step forward in

that, along with being victimized by kid nappers these families won't be victimized a second time by their own government. >> david, the fact that the families now would be allowed to pay ran sosoms, they are going be competing against european government that can pay far more. they're going to have to be freeing to raise large sums of money. >> absolutely, no one knows the amount. in syria, european governments, directly indirectly were paying $1 million, $2 million per captive. what an average american family can raise that kind of money? >> something is being added to the policy, a family engagement quord nay coordinator to act as point of contact between the government and in david's case would that have been useful resource? >> it would have been useful. streamlined the process. during the beginning of the kidnapping there is a steep learning curve, learning where your loved one is held, who to go to in the government.

if there is a person appointed to you. i am curious to see who will be appointed as the diplomatic envoy. i think that's very important as well. >> david, lastly, the fact that more than 30 americans are currently being held hostage. were you aware the number was that high? that's a number i had not heard before? >> i hadn't heard it. i was surprised as well. again this lack of coordination, where europe is paying that creates an incentive. then you have growing sort of safe havens where people can be held. there is obviously, syria, i was held in pakistan now, you have state collapse in libya, yemen. the only place where they have reduced kidnappings worldwide colombia, the philippines where local armed forces with u.s. training actually shrunk the safe havens the areas where they can hold captives. that seems to be the only long term solution to slowing this down. >> wow, this is incredible. appreciate you being on. david rhode as well. thank you both. up next, live to jason carroll outside the courthouse where a corrections officer charged in

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charleston, south carolina, emanuel ame did something remarkable. inside the very same room where nine people were murdered one week ago, bible study resumed. it could not have been easy, a step forward in the wake of immeasurable loss. friday, a funeral will be held for reverend clementa pinckney who died inside the church he loved so much. president obama will deliver the eulogy, martin savidge joins us. you were inside the room at the bible study. talk to me about what it was like? >> it was very difficult to go into the room. i did not lose anyone. it is not my church. you can't walk into the basement room and not feel an overwhelming sense of tragedy. that was the space. this was the place.

exactly one week ago tonight. where nine people were brutally murdered. and people there felt it too. you saw the embraces. it was that kind of hold on to me, not sure i can hold together kind of embrace. the ref vaverend began. we realize the tragedy here. he talked about love. he talked about the gift of forgiveness. and one of the great moments was when he spread his arms to the room and said, "we reclaim this space for god." but you could not overlook the nine people who were missing including reverend pinckney. today his body lay in state in the capitol because he not only served his church he serves his state. >> reporter: escorted by fellow legislators, a horse drawn caisson carried reverend and state senator pinckney for one last time to the state house he worked in since he was 23. he was carried to the second floor to lie in state.

pinckney's legislative legacy stretches back 18 years but it his passionate push for one recent bill many believe will truly bring justice for all in this state. it was after that other south carolina shooting that shocked america. horrifying video captured the moment an unarmed north charleston man, walter scott was shot and killed by a police officer. the officer was fired and charged with murder largely based on this witness cell phone video. two days after the world saw it, a deep voice spoke out. >> ladies and gentlemen, my name is clementa pinckney. >> reporter: south carolina was k considering police camera body legislation. >> every person in south carolina needs to know that they will have equal protection under the law. and that a badge and a gun does

not give some one -- >> reporter: pinckney's district stretches from charleston county to georgia but he knows the controversy over scott's death went far beyond. >> this is speaking to the soul of america. >> reporter: to pinckney and members of the state black caucus. in may the man often called the moral conscience of the general assembly rose once more to push his colleagues to act. >> it is my hope that south carolina senators that we will stand up for what is best and good about our state. >> reporter: on june 4, the legislation demanding body cameras for all south carolina police officers was approved by the general assembly with only one dissenting vote. six days later governor haley signed the bill handing the pen she used to walter scott's mother. and there to the right, second row back, was the state senator who had been so moved by violence he helped build support

for the new law. it was june 10th. exactly one week before another camera would capture hate walking through the door of emanuel ame, silencing forever, a powerful voice for change. >> just one week before. what do we know about when the other people who were murdered, when they will be laid to rest? >> well we know the funerals will begin tomorrow. in fact there will be funerals now every day, all the way through the weekend, including on monday. there are many, many grieving families with breaking hearts here. >> no doubt about that. martin savidge, appreciate the reporting. thank you for being there. coming up next back to the prison story, correction officer gene palmer, his night in court. the second prison worker charged. a live report what happened just moments age right after a quick break. unlimited 4g lte family plan.

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the breaking news, gene palmer, prison guard at clinton correctional facility the second worker there charged in the wake of the jailbreak 19 days ago. just got this photo of him arriving in court in plattsburg, new york. prison seamstress, joyce mitchell the first one charged. now palmer. jason carroll has the the latest on the charges and his night in court. he joins us by phone from

outsigh the courthouse. jason, what happened? >> the arraignment took place this evening. another hearing will occur tomorrow at 4:00. the attorney tells me gene palmer's attorney tells me he will be entering a plea of not guilty. he is facing several charges, promoting dangerous contraband, destroying evidence, misconduct. i am told there is a possibility also that he could face an aiding and abetting charge which would have been more serious. however, the district attorney i'm hearing was, did not choose to follow up on those charges because gene palmer had been cooperating with the investigators for a period of time. and so that they did not go after that particular charge. his attorney wanted to make it very clear to me that gene palmer, yes did pass the frozen slab of meat on to richard matt, but he did not know what was inside that slab of meat. he says he xis extremely distraught. he worked at the correctional

facility for 28 years, he is 57 years old. at this point he is in custody. again, tomorrow, anderson during the hearing he will be entering a not guilty plea. andersen. >> jason, i understand you are there with, gene palmer's attorney, andrew brachway, if you could hand him the phone. we are having a satellite issue. we hope to talk to mr. brockway on the phone. are you there? >> yes, i am sir. >> thank you so much. first of all, the charges against your client, jason is reporting your client will be pleading not guilty to them. the charge of destroying evidence is that related to drawings or paintings that your client allegedly received from one of these prisoners? >> andersen, at ththis happened quickly, i am not going to comment specifically on the charges tonight. >> your client is pleading not guilty to all of the charges? >> he will be entering a plea of

not guilty. >> i talked to the district attorney earlier, he said he believed your client did not know there was contraband in the meat, were you surprised that these charges were filed when they were? >> yeah, i believe it is fair to say the district and attorney were both surprised. state police are the one that filed the charges. i got a text from the district attorney. we were both surprised this happened very quickly. mr. palmer has been completely cooperative with the investigation. i was told by a new york state police investigator that he was saved from a charge of aiding and abetting the escape. the district attorney said publicly that he does not believe that my client knew that the escape was being planned. and we plan on, my client understands, this is a public emergency. he wants to help with any information that he has. he will give that over to the state police and the fbi he understands that he made a mistake with the whole meat fiasco. but he will cooperate, he will

continue to cooperate. he is a very, a man of integrity who made some mistakes. >> the district attorney said your client took a polygraph test according to thrts >> that's true. he has nothing to had. he's been completely transparent about this whole process. i'm very proud of him. it's an honor to represent gene palmer. he's a hard worker. if you talk to anyone in the community, they will speak very highly of mr. palmer. >> the district -- >> he did not know that they were planning on this escape. >> the district attorney said that your client did give access to the catwalk behind the cell to one or both of these men allegedly to repair a breaker that had switched; is that your understanding? >> i won't comment specifically on whether or not my client did that. but if you talk to other

corrections officers, it's common practice that inmates were allowed to cook in their cells. and, by doing that, they had to access wiring in the prison. but i won't comment on any specifics regarding mr. palmer at this time. >> and how would you describe your client's state of mind at this time? >> well, obviously, this is the biggest story that we've had in up state new york in quite some time. probably ever. he doesn't like this attention. he's a very private person. he cares on a day-to-day basis for his ailing wife. she wants to be able to continue to do that. we will be posting bond as soon as we can. and he looks forward to the day that he can move on with his life. >> do you know if he was found guilty of all of these charges, do you know what kind of time he would be facing? >> i don't know at this time, anderson. like i said, this all happened very quickly. but it's our intent to cooperate with the investigation and,

hopefully, that will be to a more favorable disposition. >> all right, andrew, it's always good to talk to you. thank you, andrew. up next, the family of freddie gray is speaking out about the leak of their son's autopsy report. could it hurt their case and also, who leaked it. we'll be back in a minute.

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well, there's no shortage of news tonight. his family responding to the leak that baltimore son reported the findings of mr. gray's autopsy after obtaining a copy of the report. mr. gray suffered a high-energy injury while riding in a baltimore police van in april. the report says mr. gray's death was a homicide because officers did not follow safety procedures. six officers have been charged. as you know, they've all pleaded not guilty. the gray family attorney, billy murphy, jr., joins me now. first of all, how surprised were you by this and how concerned were you that the fact this this autopsy report leaked out? >> anderson, it was a shock because, in an orderly process that exists in the criminal

courts, you are noticed before something like this happens. and one of the reasons you do that is so that you can prepare your clients for the fact that the grizzly details of what happened to their son and their brother are getting ready to come out and you walk them through it in a way that calms them and reassures them. but when it comes out suddenly that the whole world is, all of the sudden, into the most intimate details of your dead son's life directly and indirectly in a horrific condition of the body is described to you, that's another matter all together. and the other thing is whoever leaked this u and i had my suspicions about who did, whoever leaked this is frustrating the administration of justice.

>> people leak information for a specific reason. do you think this was intentional? do you feel it somehow harmed your case? >> well, let's go through the list of suspecteds. i don't suspect the prosecutor because that's the last thing they wanted to do. they're currently in court to seal the autopsy report. i don't suspect the defense lawyers because they're honorable guys. and they are too smart to do this at this point because they don't want to be blamed for any adverse publicity or any publicity at all surrounding this case because they want to persuade a court to move the case out of baltimore. the lawyers have all denied it. the state's attorney's office has denied it. we didn't do it. so that leaves one suspect, doesn't it? and that would be the police. and they have every interest in trying to help their brethren to get this case out of baltimore. i think that's what this was all

about. >> do you think this was a desire to get the case to move elsewhere? >> yes, because this is a clean controversy, in their view. i mean, there's no other news going on about the case. they're worried about speculating about the autopsy report, pro and con. those who support freddie gray are going to try -- or the prosecution are going to try to give the contrary arguments. so this creates a side show, which the police hope will ignore to the benefit of their brethren. so that's my suspicion. i don't know it to a degree of certainty, but i would bet on it. >> just to quickly recap, gene palmer, the first corrections

card officer to actually be arrested and imp ll ll ll ll ll for vie lating the policy in the escape of these two has been arraign ed "cnn tonight" with dn lemon starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> thanks very much, anderson. as you just heard on "360" a corrections officer in connection with the cape of two killers. we're also live at the emmanuel ame church. the lesson, the power of love. an and, tonight, the debate is raising. the flag is one thing, but should we be erasing american