two counts of destroying evidence and one count of official misconduct. take a look at this video. you see him in the video leaving the court building just a short time ago. he's expected back in court tomorrow afternoon to enter a plea of not guilty. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. "ac 360" starts right now.

stroying evidence that could be, reference to some of the his client had no knowledge at all of what was inside that frozen chunk of hamburger meat is extremely distraught over everything that has happened. and extremely remorseful. but having said that, that slab of frozen meat not passed through a metal detector which was a violation of prison

policy. the destroying evidence charge, anderson, could have something to do with paintings and/or drawings. you have heard in the past about richard matt providing paintings and drawings to people like joyce mitchell. but apparently also gave several to gene palmer as well. and -- and i'm told that gene palmer may have destroyed some of the paintings and/or drawings after he heard about richard matt and david sweat's escape. so at this point we are waiting for that arraignment scheduled to happen some time early this evening. anderson. >> jason, i understand you are on your way to court. do you have an exact time when it is going to start? >> well, i've -- in fact just got off the phone with his attorney asking more specifics about the timing of this. i am just told it will be this evening. it should be happening sometime shortly.

but you know court cases go through the system, andersen, shortly could mean an hour or two. >> we will obviously try to bring it to our viewers whenever possible. jason carroll, thank you. joining us legal analyst former federal prosecutor sonny hostin. what do you make of the new charges? >> i think they're significant. low level felonies, class d and e. still criminal exposure. talking for dangerous prison contraband, that's one to seven years, destruction of evidence, one to four years. these are significant charges. if they're going to treat him the same way or similar the way they treated joyce mitchell we are going to see someone that may get a bond but may still be in prison. some one who is perp walked. and someone sent the message being involved in a prison break is a serious matter. i will tell you man of us don't have experience with this, in law enforcement, because it doesn't happen that often. >> the fact that he has by all accounts even the district h the district attorney saying they believe he passed that polygraph he didn't

have prior knowledge of the, of the escape. he didn't know what was in the hamburgermality. is that taken into account? >> i think so. that is going to be an important piece of this. intent is important when you are talking, promoting dangerous contraband. i think that is going to be important. i think why he destroyed whatever evidence he may have destroyed, i think his intent behind it is going to be very, very important. but again, they treated joyce mitchell as a very bad actor she obviously didn't act alone. i suspect they're going to treat him similarly as a bad actor. >> all right, sonny hostin. thank you.

curity lapses at the prison. the inspectors from the attorney general's office what are you learning about the probe tonight? >> what we know, investigators are at checking out allegations of breaches of security protocol that may have led to the escape. they are interviewing employees and guards and investigating whether other employees or guards might have had or have improper relationship with the inmates. and investigating richard matt's painting proclivities, trying to find out as additionally giving paintings as gifts to joyce mitchell and gene palmer if he gave paintings as gifts to others in prison, which would be improper accepting gifts from a murderer. >> gary, these paintings, do you know do investigators have any reason to believe if he gave them to other people joyce mitchell and gene palmer is the idea there was a quid pro quo here? >> don't know if there is a quid pro quo. but we do know that sources are telling us they do believe he gave many paintings out. why he gave the paintings? what he was hoping to get from them?

we don't know. all part of the investigation in this weird and troubling case. >> gary, appreciate the update tonight. a fast-moving story. now a former inmate at dannemora who knew matt and sweat and joyce mitchell and gene palmer, eric jensen has a lot to say. about what he saw. he joins us. thank you for joining us. >> what do you know about the relationship or alleged relationship between joyce mitchell and david sweat? >> what do i know? i know what i seen first time from my times i was in clinton correctional. >> what did you see? >> i seen them exchanging gifts. i seen her bringing in things, tattoo ink, art supplies, food. >> what, what year are you talking about? >> 2011-2012. >> was this while he was, do you know if he was still working in the tailor shop? >> i was working in the tailor shop with him. in tailor three. he was the supervisor in the tailor shop. >> i talked to the district attorney earlier tonight he said, joyce mitchell said there wasn't a sexual relationship, he

had no evidence there was a sexual relationship between her and david sweat. do you believe there was? >> from what i have seen, yes, i have no evidence of it. i can't say i ever seen them having sex or any kind of sexual favors. but from what i have seen and, like their interactions while i was there, yes. >> you think there was enough intimacy in their interactions? >> i definitely believe that. enough intimacy, enough time alone. anything could have happened behind. >> were you aware at the time that she also had an intimate relationship or she had an intimate relationship with richard matt? >> no, i wasn't. i wasn't. this was three years prior. >> prior. >> correct. >> what was she like? >> she reminded me like a grandmother. older woman. happy, giddy. always be bringing stuff in, donuts. coffee. we are allowed to drink coffee, smoke cigarettes down there. drink coffee. smoke cigarettes. she would come in. talk the day.

tell us what to do. other than that we don't hear from her. >> what was david sweat and richard matt like. >> richard matt was quiet. i didn't know richard matt that well. we worked out together. we played chess together. david sweat. we discussed our art work. he is the artist. he is the one who drew the pictures and paintings and stuff like that. >> really? >> yes, we exchanged art work. >> he would give them to matt. mat would give them out. >> that's probably what happened. that's probably what happened. >> gene palmer, the guard you knew him as well? he was there 20-some odd years. >> he was there. come in. walk through the tailor shop building. there is tailor one, tailor two. up to tailor eight. walk through the tailor shop. say hi. he worked the metal detector some times by the main gate when you are going into the main building. >> so he worked the metal detector. >> he was there a couple times, yes. >> that's interesting. the allegation is that he brought in this hamburger meat

that didn't go through the metal detector. sort of ironic if he in the past worked the metal detector. >> right. a block, honor block was right there by the metal detector when you come in to the, from the tailor shop. you walk outside the tailor shop. then you walk back up into the facility. through the main gate. and then you go through the metal detector. loop back around where you came from and go to your cellblock. >> did it make sense when you heard joyce mitchell gives gene palmer this hamburger meat that had tools in it and he dent put it through the metal detector and was welling to give it to matt or sweat, does that make sense to you? >> it doesn't make sense coming from a security standpoint. there has also been times when officers go out hunting, big deer hunters in dannemora, malone, they will bring in venison for the inmates have them cook it up. sometimes, give and take relationship. if he was supplying him with information doing this or that for him. >> that's not unusual a guard would maybe give supplies or something to an inmate particularly if that inmate was providing them. >> not at all. if they do a cell search you

have stuff they're not supposed to have. they will take that stuff. you know who they give it to you? they give it to people giving them information. supply them with radios. whatever it is. just to keep the information rolling back in. >> was it known who was giving information to guards? if somebody is getting special stuff. >> no, no. i don't think anybody knew. in that facility. you don't want to be labeled as a snitch. in any facility. especially that one. >> when also, we know that gene palmer apparently gave access to matt and sweat to the catwalks behind the cells. did that surprise you? >> no. it doesn't. >> really? >> there is a facility maintenance workers who are inmates as well. they come around. when your breaker pops in the back, you plug your hot plate in, you rig it up, so it pulls

stuff. if it pops all the power in your cell goes out. tv, light. inmates used to go back there. pay the maintenance worker to rig up your fuse in the back. you can have your tv, fan, light and be cooking at the same time nothing would pop. >> so, couldn't the maintenance worker go back instead of the prisoner. >> no there was prison maintenance workers. a maintenance work program where you go around and do all these things. >> i see. the maintenance worker is an inmate himself? >> correct. correct. correct. you pay him. give him cigarettes, whatever it was in there he wanted. >> do you think they're going to get caught? >> yes. yes, i do. >> you do? >> why? they don't seem to have much experience in the wilderness. but it has been, you know it has been significant amount of time so far. >> it has been. but they don't where they're going. their plan fell through the moment they popped their head through the manhole. joyce wasn't there waiting for them. now i think they're going any which way. >> when you were there did you have a sense of the layout of the prison? seemed like they were able to

develop a sense of the layout of the prison. >> let me tell you something. in the tailor shop you have windows that face dannemora, they face out over the wall. you can actually see from the tailor shop windows that street where it intersects and where that manhole cover is. you can see the whole town. yes, you can. >> that's interesting. >> eric, appreciate you being on telling us what you know. >> you are very welcome. >> really appreciate it. coming up next we wait for gene palmer's night in court. his arraignment could come in this hour or the next. jason carroll is going there as we speak. we are going to wait to hear from him. we'll explore the parallels between this manhunt and the marathon search for eric rudolph, the man who led the effort he jones us ahead. later the remarkable effort to redeem the site of the mass murder, the bible study group that met tonight in the same room of the emanuel ame in charleston where their senior pastor and eight others were murdered at the hand of a hate-filled killer. these are live pictures. we'll go there shortly.

vet managed to evade authorities ffr five years in the thickly-wooded appalachian wilderness of north carolina. early on authorities say he never stayed in a camp for too long. always on the move and one step ahead of search teams. >> everybody's watching.

>> nearby residents were on alert while hundreds of ajentss combed the woods looking for tracks around waterer sources or inside caves. but the trail ended cold year after year. >> eric rudolph had home-field advantage. he had been playing in these woods since he was a kid. he camped in them when he was a teenager. he knew these woods intimately. >> rudolph was spotted in july of 1998. he turned up at the owner of a health department food store. the owner recognized him and refused. but when the owner returned two days later, he found that 75 pounds of food and his truck were missing. on the table, five $100 bills. authorities say rudolph killed and aet turkeys bears and salamanders to stay warm

during bitter cold winters. authorities say he would break into cabins and bundle himself up in piles of leaves. >> eric rudolph was living off the grid before he had to go off the grid. it was like he had been preparing for this. >> despite years of searching for rudolph, he was finally arrested dumpster diving in the back of a grocery store looking for fruts and vegetables to freeze for the winter. >> it was luck. they had given up the hunt. they had given up the chase. and, he fell into their laps. >> after his arrest rudolph described his chase with police as a long camping trip that lasted five years. investigators hope it takes significantly less than half a decade to catch these two wanted fugitives. >> joining us now is former

f.b.i. assistant director chris, is there anything comparable in the hunt for rudolph because of his being able to pre-plan? or is it completely different? >> well, the concepts are the same. a man hunt in a rural area is very labor intensive. you have to set up a perimeter. the difference here is that they really didn't know where they were. they didn't have an immediate air you to search from. i came in later at the executive level overseeing the whole thing. it that point, it became an investigation. there was no giving up on it but it had taken a different form at that point, you can't keep a thousand officers out there for

five years. >> what is the time line for something like this. new york state prison escapee, i think the state has a vested interest in having a lot more staying power than normal. i think they're going to be out there, they'll say as long as it takes. but, in reality, there's a time when resources start to dwindle. in this case there's every reason to stay on it. they are on foot. they are probably not as well positioned as rudolph was. they don't have pre-planned sites, food they had already stocked. they don't know the area like rudolph knew that area. >> if you don't know if you don't have experience in the forest how difficult is it to survive for weeks and weeks and weeks? >> you're not.

if you don't have the skills and have the relationship of knowing how to make a proper shelter insulated, with or without a fire, they're exhausted. they're dehigh drated. you have to fitter water. if you don't know your edibles, you have to skirt in an around these urban environments and utilize the things that you know you can get. >> if you don't have pre-positioned supplies you have to spend an awful lot of time just on the basics not just escaping but on the basis of finding food and water. >> right. without those cardinal four. in the world of survival, there's always four steps. there's a difference here of a survival situation or of a disaster zone. something along that line where i want to be found. i want to take the time to find a shelter and purify my water. these guys don't want to be found. they're certainly not going to make a fire in a landscape and have that plume of smoke. they're basically using the

resources that are already there. we have tons of these vacation cabins. we don't know what's in there. we assume that one of them is barefoot. but we don't know if they took another pair of shoes. was the radio still working? was the internet still working? we have no idea. so survival in that environment, absolutely beautiful. that's why you're going to find these guys skirting in and out of these suburban areas. >> which is why it's so crucial that this information is out there. >> absolutely. that is law enforce. and the overall man hunts single most effective tool is keeping their faces in the press, keeping the information out there and using the mult plier of getting everyone in the area looking for them. and if you see something, say something. i don't think there's anybody in

that area that wouldn't pick up the phone and call if they saw something. >> yeah, no doubt about it. fascinating stuff. again, prison guard, gene palmer, facing charges tonight. we'll bring you a live report on that. also tonight, hostage ransoms, wanted to pay to get their loved ones back. the u.s. government told them no. today, a bitter sweet victory. but will the new white house policy save lives? or put more people in danger? a hostage survivor and his wife weigh in.

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and all of these memories and all the frustrations. but it's a real achievement, what happened today for them. >> christin you were at the meeting today between the president and the families of hostages. what was it like? >> yes. it was a very serious environment. you know, the president came in. he was very personable. he made it a point to go around to each person and shake their

hand on the way in and at the end of the session. he started off by saying he could relate to this as a father and as a spouse. he understood that people would go to any lengths to appreciate that. >> on the one hand saying it's still government u.s. policy that paying ransom to terrorists is prohiblted. while, on the other hand saying it basically would ignore the law where families are ininvolved. >> it's true. and that's the sortover core problem here. this doesn't compromise. will these changes necessarily bring people home. and they won't, necessarily. the issue is you know paying

ransoms or releasing prisoners. european governments, we talked about it have paid 10s of millions of dollars in ransoms. the thing that would bring people home is if the u.s. government started doing dha. most americans are sort of opposed to an opinion poll: along with being victimized by kidnappers, these families won't be victimized a second time by their own government. >> the fact that these families would now be allowed to pay ransoms, they're herbalseshltly going to be competing against european governments that can pay far more. they're going to have to try to raise large sums of money. >> absolutely. no one knows the exact amounts. but i think in syria, european governments were paying at least one or two million dollars per captive. what average american family can raise that kind of money? >> i'm wondering, in david's

case would that be a useful resource? >> it would have been useful. it would have streamlined the process. there's such a steep learning curve, learning about where a loved one is being held, who to go to. i think that's very useful. i'm also looking forward to seeing who's the diplomatic envoy. >> the last one, more than 30 americans are currently being held hostage. were you aware the number was that high? that's a number i had not heard before. >> i hadn't heard it. i was surprised, as well. again, this line of koord nax where europe is paying and that creates incentive. and then you can have safe havens where people are held. and the only place where they've reduced kidnapping worldwide is columbia and the philippines.

that's where they actually shrink the areas that can hold. >> it's incredible. appreciate having you on with us. up next going to jason carroll outside the courthouse where a corrections officer charged with the connection of david sweat arrived a short time ago. hours after the body of slain senator arrived with reposed bible study inside the charleston post where he and others were murdered one week ago. we'll talk to him. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums.

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more breaking news tonight. inside the very same room where nine people were murdered one week ago, bible study resumed. it could not have been easier step forward. on friday, a funeral will be held for state senator and reverend who died inside the church he loved so much. president obama is going to visit the eulogy. talk to me about what it was like. >> it was very difficult to go into the room.

of course i didn't lose nin and it's not my church. but you cannot walk into that basement room and just feel an overwhelming sense of tragedy. this is exactly the place one week ago and people felt it. the reverend began. he said you know, we realize the tragedy here will never be the same, but we are moving on. he talk about the gift of forgiveness. and one of the great moments was when he spread his arms to the room and said we reclaim this space for god. today, his body is laying in state down in the capitol. he not only served his church, he serves his state.

>> reverend and state senator for one last time to the state house he worked in since he was 23. he was carried toet second floor to lie in state. his push for one recent bill will bring justice ffr for all in this state. >> shot and killed by a police officer last april. michael slager was fired and charged with murder largely based on this witness cell phone video. two days after the world saw it, a deep voice spoke out. >> ladies and gentlemen, my name is clemente -- >> south carolina was already considering legislation. but scott's doubt and pinkney's

drive gave the bill new urgency. >> every person in south carolina needs to know that they will have equal protection under the law and that a badge and a gun does not give someone superiority. >> the district stretches from charleston county to georgia. >> this is speaking to the soul of america. >> to members of the state black caucus body cameras would bring justice to a south carolina justice system they felt often was distorted by race. >> it is my hope that a south carolina senators that we will stand up for what is best, good about our state. >> on june 4th, a legislative body was approved by the general assembly with only one descending vote. six days later, governor hailey

signed the bill handing the pen she used to waulter scott's mother. ore. what do we know about when the other people who were murdered, when they will be laid to rest. >> well we know that the funerals will begin tomorrow. in fact there will be funerals now every day all the way tru the weekend, including on monday. there are many, many grieving families and breakinghearteds here. >> no doubt about that. mark savage, i appreciate your reporting. appreciate you being there. corrections officer gene palmer his night in court. the second prison worker now charged.

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the breaking news gene palmer becoming the second worker there charged in wake of the jailbreak 19 days ago.

woe just got this photo of him arriving in new york. joyce mitchell was the first one charged. jay soon carol now had the latest. he joins us from outside the courthouse. jason, what happened? >> well anderson, for tomorrow at 4:00 attorneys tell me that he will be entering a plea of not guilty. he faces several charges, i'm also told there was a possibility that he could have faced an aiding and abeting charge. the district attorney, i'm hearing, did not choose to follow up on those charges because gene palmer had been coop rating with investigators for a period of time and that they did not go after that plar charge. his attorney wants to make it

clear to me that yes, he did have that frozen slab of meat onto richard matt. but he did not know what was inside. he says he's extremely distraught. he's worked at the correctional facility for 27 years. he's 57 years old. again, tomorrow, anderson his attorney tells me that he will be entering a not guilty plea. >> jason x i understand you're actually there with mr. andrew's attorney. if you could just hand him the phone we just hope to speak on the telephone. it's anderson cooper are you there? >> yes, i am. >> great. thank you so much. the charges against your client jason, is reporting that your client is pleading not guilty to them. the charge of destroying evidence is that related to drawings or payments that your client allegedly received from

one of these prisoners? >> i'm not going to comment specifically on the charges tonight. >> but your client is pleading not to all of the charges. >> he will be entering a plea of not guilty. >> i talked to the distriblgt e trikt tourn who said he believed your client did not know there was contraband in the meat. were you surprised that these charges were filed when they were? >> yeah i believe it's fair to say that the district attorney and myself both filed the charges. i got a text from the district attorney. we're both surprised this happened very quickly. mr. palmer has been completely cooperative with the investigation. i was told by the new york state police investigator that he was saved from the charge of aiding and abetting.

my client understands, anderson that this is a pub emergency. he wants to help with any information he has. he understands that he made a mistake with whole meat fiasco. he will continue to cooperate. >> the district attorney said that your client also took a polygraph test and passed about whether or not he knew inside the meat? >> that's true. he took a polygraph test. he has nothing to hide. i'm very proud of him. it's an honor to represent jean palmer. if you talked to anyone in the community, they will speak very highly of mr. palmer. he did not know that he was planning on their escape. >> he did give access to the

catwalk behind the cell to one or both of these men, allegedly, to repair a breaker that had switched. is that your understanding? >> i won't comment specifically on whether or not my client did that. it's common practice that inmates were allowed to cook in their cells. >> and how would you describe your client's state of mind at this time. >> well obviously, this is the biggest story that we've had in up state new york in quite some time. probably ever. he doesn't like this attention. he's a very private person. he cares on a day-to-day basis for his ailing wife. he e he wants to continue to be able to do that. we will be posting bond as soon as we can. he looks forward to the day when

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well there's no shortage of news tonight including news out of baltimore. now, his family responding through their attorney to the leak that blind sided them yesterday that baltimore sun reported the findings. according to paper, mr. gray suffered a high-energy injury. the report says mr. gray's death was a homicide because officers did not follow safety procedures.

the gray family attorney billy murphy, jr., joins me now. how concerned were you that this autopsy report leaked out? >> anderson, it was a shock because in an orderly process that exists in the criminal courts you are noticed before something like this happens. and one of the reasons you do that is so you can prepare your clients for the fact that the grizzly details of what happened to their son and their brother are getting through it. you walk them through it in a bay that calms them and reassures them. when it comes out suddenly that the whole world is into the intimate details of your dead son's life directly and indirectly and the horrible condition of the body is described to you.

whoever leaked this is frustrated at the orderly administration of justice. >> let me ask you about that. people leak information for a specific reason. why do you think this was leaked? do you think this was intentional? do they believe it somehow harmed your case? what do you think was behind it or who? >> let's go through the list of suspects.

ve all -- the lawyers have all denied it. the state's attorney's office has denied it. we didn't do it. and, so that leaves one suspect, doesn't it? >> and that would be the police. and they have every interest in trying to help their brethren to get this case out of baltimore. i think that's what it was all about. >> you think this was a desire to get the case moved elsewhere? >>. >> yes x because this is a clean controversy in their view. there's no other news about the case. so everything that will be written will be about speculating about the autopsy report, proed and con. the prosz kugsz is going to try to give the arguments. this creates a side show which the police will ignore to the benefit of their brethren.

so that's my suspicion. i don't know it to a degree of certainty, but i would bet on it. >> billy murphy, i appreciate you being with us. that does it for us. our live cove rang continues next from atlanta. . 19 days air forcefter two got their way out of prison. >> migrants trying to reach the u.k. by any means. britain is considering stepping up border security. he went in for a colonoscopy. accidentally kept his camera rolling and you will not believe what the doctor said about hims when he was knocked out. >> a warm welcome to all of our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm zain asher. >> i'm errol