allison in columbia south carolina. first, we do have a major move for you in the manhunt. there have been charges levelled against another prison worker in connection with the escape of two convicted murderers up there in new york. gene palmer is facing felony charges for allegedly loaning the killers tools while they were behind bars. investigators are outlooking for richard matt on day 20th of the search. owls head is where this cabin is that investigators believe was home to these two bad guys for some time. >> reporter: that is correct, chris. it's almost three weeks into this search and investigators are still focusing on that cabin where dna was found over this weekend that was found to belong

to richard matt and david sweat. also back at the prison where as you mentioned,a second prison employ has been charged. a second corrections officer arrested in connection to a brazen jailbreak now out on bail. 57-year-old gene palmer expected to plead not guilty to charges of promoting dangerous contraband tramp erampering with evidence and misconduct. he allegedly carried frozen hamburger meat with tools inside. palmer was acting at the request of fellow prison employee joyce mitchell who hid the tools in the meat. palmer telling cnn his client was unaware there were hacksaw blades and drill bits inside that meat. he failed to screen the meat

through a metal detector violating prison policy. >> he was conned by joyce mitchell. she duped him. he made a mistake and he shouldn't have done what he did. >> officials searching palmer's home finding tools he gave to one of the prisoners including a screwdriver and needle nosed pliers. >> he allowed them to go into the back of the cells in the cat walk area and fix the breakers so they could use their hot plates to cook their food. >> that cat walk area matt and sweat's escape path. palmer telling officials he supervised the prisoners doing the work and took the tools back before tend of his shift. gene palmer posted $25,000 bail this morning. he's due back in court later today. he's believed to have tried to burn some paintings given to him

by richard matt. keep in mind it is not allowed for prison employees to accept gifts from prisoners. >> that is going to be a real sticky issue for him to be sure. i want to bring in former deputy warden of new york corrections ed gavin. they're saying that their clients were conned joyce mitchell, gene palmer. do you think they were conned? >> i don't think so. >> you think they were complicit? >> i think we have criminal facilitation here. >> talk about gene palmer. give us an idea given what you know from working as a warden for all those years. we talk about the fact that he gave these two inmates a screwdriver and pliers to fix the electrical box behind their cell. are inmates really doing

repairs? and have access to tools like that? >> in my opinion they shouldn't be. in the new york city department of correction we have a support services division. they perform electrical work carpentry work and other labor. we don't let prisoners perform this type of work. >> it seems completely out of the ordinary. he even said that he supervised said work. to me that seems off kilter to begin with. >> a member of the uniform force should never take shortcuts by failing to enforce the security procedures at the institution. clearly that's what he did. she gave him some contraband. and he then gives it to the inmate. why would you give the inmate chopped meat? this isn't burger king. >> it was surprising to so many

of us to learn that they have access to refrigerators and hot plates so they would even be allowed food. you think this is a maximum security facility. a lot of those rights you think would be taken away. >> i don't necessarily say you have to take rights away. they do allow them hot plates. and they have a commissary and there are permissible items on the list. there may be deli meats and soup maybe coffee. if the superintendent of the facility permits it that's one thing. but introducing a special diet to an inmate is not authorized. you're not allowed to do that. you cannot give inmates a special diet that's not common to all the inmates. >> are there blurred lines between the inmates, the staff, the corrections officers the guards that are working in these

facilities? did you ever see that in your time? >> i've seen it yes. >> how would you react to it? would you remove that guard from there? >> i would never permit corruption you know in a correctional facility that i worked in. just wouldn't allow it. >> here do you think that clinton is an out -- what's your concern here? >> i think that the superintendent of the facility the deputy superintendent has not taken a critical look at the inmate job assignment criteria. they haven't properly classified these inmates. i mean why would you let an inmate who killed a police officer and another inmate who escaped from prison have these privileges? i don't think they deserve those types of privileges? >> do you think heads will roll? >> absolutely. >> do you think they will face charges? >> they already are facing

charges. >> in terms of higher up? >> unlikely. we are a couple of people that are specifically culpable here. they're innocent until proven guilty but the reports suggest that we have two people that aided and abetted these inmates. >> some of the changes at that actual prison the fact that there weren't guards in some of the tall guard towers that the nighttime bed checks weren't done with regularity. he felt that some of those things that were highlighted in the "new york times" report some of those security lapses and changes were as a result of budgetary constraints within the department of corrections. do you know that to be true? >> this escape allegedly took place between the hours of 10:30 p.m. and 5:30 in the morning. now, corrections officers on the

midnight tour are supposed to make tours at frequent intervals. in the new york city department of corrections we do it every half hour. and the captain would come in usually and make three tours of inspection to make sure that the officer is doing what he's supposed to be doing. on the midnight tour you're looking out for two things suicide attempts and escapes. on the midnight tour your flashlight is your best friend. you want to check for signs of life respirations. this is corrections 101. to me it's patently outrageous that this occurred and there's absolutely no excuse for this. this went on for months. what was the tour commander doing? what was the sergeant doing? >> so many questions. >> i don't think they could be doing very much? >> really appreciate you coming. >> pleasure was all mine. >> hang tight right there. i'm going to pass it off to my

colleague in south carolina. allison, back to you. >> reporter: hey, michaela. thanks so much. what a remarkable scene we witnessed here at the state house. it was 98 degrees. it felt like the inside of an oven out. and yet thousands of people stood in a line behind me that snaked around the state house for a block. that famous south carolinian was on display. they were all sharing fans bottles of water. it was a day of unity and respect for their friend senator clementa pinckney. and a similar message last night in charleston where a bible study group reclaimed that church. the parking lot was full bible study resuming in the same room where the massacre took place

one week earlier. the interim pastor claiming this territory belongs to god. earlier in the day thousands lined up in the sweltering feet as a horse drawn caisson carried senator clementa pinckney's body back to the state house where he had served since the age of 23 to now lie in state. >> senator pinckney was a good and kind man. he was sensitive to the needs of others. >> many waited to see if governor nikki haley would use a legal loophole to temporarily bring down the flag for the day. but her office releasing a statement saying she does not have the authority to remove the flag herself. alabama's governor did order that the flag be removed from their grounds. and in idaho they removed the

mississippi flag from a display of all 50 in front of city hall. tim scott shared his hopeful vision. >> a sense of excitement that this evil attack would lead to reconciliation restoration and unity in our nation. >> reporter: senator scott tears on the senate floor. the issues here in south carolina continue to reverberate around the country. more lawmakers and businesses demanding the confederate flag be removed. what are you learning vick dortorvictor? >> this is the epicenter of this fight, but this is now reverberating across the country. put up the map here.

mississippi, tennessee, arkansas georgia, florida, north carolina alabama as well. consider what we're seeing in alabama. compare to what we're seeing in south carolina, this entangled fight over what to do with the confederate flag here. in alabama the governor there robert bentley decided yesterday in the morning that the flag should come down. and that's what happened with relatively little backlash. he says there are more important challenges facing the state. here's what else he said about the flag? >> it is offensive to some people because unfortunately it's like a swastika. some people have adopted that as part of their maybe hate filled groups. and you know, that's a shame. >> now, beyond politics this is also hitting the entertainment industry. you know the 1969 dodge charger that was featured in the

television series dukes of hazard hazard the general lee. the warner brothers had licensed that. the general lee will no longer be made. >> the ripple effect of what happened here a week ago just continues to spread. >> and it's not over. >> victor thank you so much for being here. so that flag does still fly behind victor and me. you can see it now as the wind has picked up. you also hear some honking because a man is behind us holding a sign that says honk to take it down. we're hearing a lot of honking this morning. we want to give you news of what is going on abroad. the situation in yemen is getting worse. yemen is now on the edge of famine. 80% of the population is in need

of humanitarian assistance. that is over 30 million people. without a cease fire that is going to get worse. president obama bracing for major decisions from the supreme court which could have lasting impact on his legacy. >> the white house is now breathing a huge sigh of relief on trade. giving president obama fast track trade authority which gives him the power to potentially negotiate a major trade deal with 12 nations. but the white house is also of course holding their breath at the same time waiting for two key supreme court decisions on obamacare and gay marriage both of which could be ruled as early as today. it could have major implications in president obama's presidency either boosting it or tarnishing

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. the boston marathon bomber is breaking his silence, apologizing for the first time for that terror attack. survivors not buying his words of remorse evidence sentenceas he

was sentenced to death. >> people stood up in court and addressed tsarnaev directly. most were taken by surprise when the bomber stood up and apologized. sentenced to die by execution, marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev at last broke his silence, telling the court, in his words, the bombing which i am guilty of -- if there's any lingering doubt about that let there be no more. i did that along with my brother. in a dark suit and speaking with a heavily affected accent the 21-year-old terrorist apologized saying i'm sorry for the lives i have taken, the suffering i've caused, the damage i've done. to the victims his words ring hollow. >> i regret ever having wanted to hear him speak, because what he said showed no remorse, no regret. >> what i was struck more was by

what he didn't say. he didn't renounce terrorism. he didn't renounce violent extremism. >> rebecca gregory spoke defiantly to tsarnaev. referring to him in his holding cell gregory smiled. it's so funny that you smirk and flip off the camera. i feel that's what we're doing to you. they won't remember your name or your brother's. some victims forgave tsarnaev. he chose hate he chose destruction, he chose death. we choose love. we choose peace. and the mood inside that court, there was anger, there was grief, forgiveness, defiance. and really the sense that so many people's lives addhad changed.

things are different for so many who are in that court now. tsarnaev will be sent to indiana where he will be the youngest person on death row. >> let's get some perspective on this from ed davis, former commissioner of the boston police department. he was head of the police department during the boston bombings. we're also going to have someone join you a little bit later, ed. she's covering this for the "boston globe." what does this mean for the healing process for the people of your city? >> i think the healing can start now. this is a point where we can put this behind us and move on with our lives. i think that the victims have said that over and over again. and they're absolutely correct. >> the comments are very wide ranging on the impact of convicted's statement to people.

what stood out to you? >> well to me it was too little too late. you know the fact that he invoked allah in that whole diatribe was reprehensible to me. he did not reject radicalism or extremism and he had an opportunity to do that. i just think that over all -- go ahead. i'm sorry. >> no no. ed please continue. >> i just think that overall he had an opportunity to say that what he did was wrong and he really didn't do that. it was a hollow apology. so what i think about now is where is the real dzhokhar tsarnaev? is he the man that expressed some regret yesterday? or is he the man that wrote that manifesto in the boat and

flipped off the cameras? who are we dealing with here? >> and does it really matter? because he did what he did. and as he was paraphrasing allah and the need for mercy, he didn't show mercy because he didn't spare anybody. he's now saying he's sorry and that's obviously not how mercy is shown. do you think hearing from him helped more or hurt more for the people in that room who have been affected by this? >> i don't think it was helpful. the only bright spot in the whole situation is that he didn't continue to drive a knife into the victims by espousing his philosophy. i think it was hollow but it could have been much worse. so i'm thankful for that. >> what do you still see as lasting effects of what the bombing did in terms of life in

boston? >> well it galvanized the city. it made us stronger in a very literal sense. i think there was an unanticipated upside for us after this incident happened. but we can never forget crystal campbell lindsay lou -- those names were ring forever in our hearts. it's a tough situation. >> we spent a lot of time with crystal's grandmother who she was so close to. i remember her saying what was lost and how it can never be replaced and it just doesn't make sense. what do you think people want to see change going forward? is there any kind of advance, any kind of reform any kind of difference that would matter? >> well people appreciate the security measures that are in place now and they talk about

them frequently. but i think in the final analysis i hope that the statement that was made yesterday by tsarnaev will affect someone who's sitting in front of a computer right now who may be thinking about doing some of this stuff, that it will at least show after all is said and done and the victims come in and talk about what they've experienced, this is not appropriate. this is horrendous and it needs to stop. that's my hope here. >> am i right hillary sergeant's there now? >> she is. >> there you are. hey, hillary, thanks for hustling over for us. wrap up this segmenteds in terms of what does this mean? is there still more that needs to be done here? do you think they'll follow this all the way through the eventually execution if and when it happens? >> i mean i think some of the

survivors and victims, you know definitely will. and i think some won't. there were 24 people that delivered victim impact statements yesterday. but that's a very very small percentage of people who were affected by this. people make personal choices around eentdvents like this and how they handle them. >> we all know how tortured the process is around cases like this. just because the death penalty has been sentenced doesn't mean it happens tomorrow. >> i think there's more coverage to come before they get to the appeal. a lot of people are awaiting the unsealing of the documents, how much the defense cost taxpayers. i think the extent to which we're going to have to see how the appeals process plays out to see how it will be covered. i think it will depend a lot on

things we don't know yet. >> quickly, what do you think of the statement that the defendant gave? do you think it was worth giving that statement and why? >> well i mean i think it had to have been a very personal choice for him. there was no -- no matter what he said it wasn't going to change the outcome of the sentence. so to say i know what goes on inside his head would be disingenuous at best. >> it's interesting that he took an opportunity to speak and said so few of the things he knew people wanted to hear. thank you so much. appreciate the perspective. well a show of bipartisan unity over the confederate flag in the wake of south carolina that church massacre there that took the lives of nine people. lawmakers on the left and right now saying it should be removed. two of them will join us.

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i am live in columbia south carolina. following the charleston massacre there are growing calls to bring down the confederate flag. democrats and republicans speaking out against that flag. including mississippi senator roger wicker. he's a republican. and also new jersey senator corey booker. he's a democrat. senator wicker i want to start with you. because your state flag in mississippi in some ways is even more problematic than the confederate flag in south carolina because the confederate design is right there smack dab in the middle of the mississippi state flag. >> you're right. it actually is a part of our state flag adopted by the voters . i just have made a statement that i don't think our current flag is unifying and i think it's time to put it in a museum and work toward a flag that's a

symbol of unity for all of mississippi. the speaker of the house said the same thing yesterday. senator cochran also agrees with that point of view. maybe we're beginning a conversation that will lead to a more unifying state flag. >> senator wicker you have a very interesting perspective baz your because your ancestors fought for the confederate army. have you just come to this just the charleston massacre? >> i think this charleston massacre gives us an opportunity to revisit this issue. of course my views have changed over the years. yes, indeed i haven't seen the flag as hurtful, but i know that a lot of my fellow citizens my fellow brothers and sisters in the state of mississippi do feel

it's a hurtful symbol and we sought to do something that's more unifying. >> senator booker what are you thoughts on what should happen with this state flag of mississippi? >> again, i'm happy that both mississippi senators and south carolina's leadership have joined together to speak with one voice really in the need to make these changes. yesterday morning i was sitting right by roger wicker and a small group of us that game together for a prayer breakfast. republicans, democrats sitting together. and as i was sitting by roger and we talked about this ideal of that we're one nation under god, indy visualivisible. this is why i'm very happy to be standing here today with roger. because while these issues that are capturing headlines now are important, there are other work that we need to do like

investing in our infrastructure. i've been here for about a year and a half and i've been proud to have partners like roger that put forth a bill that makes a lot of improvement by increasing funding and positive train control and increasing investment in infrastructure which we know expand the economy and jobs. i'm happy to focus on some soft problems that some people think are intractable like our infrastructure deficit. we want to expand our opportunity and make our nation stronger and better. >> alisyn i think that's about the best segue i've ever seen on television. >> i saw your grin at how seamlessly your colleague there segued to what you both want to talk about, which of course he is. your bipartisan effort. indulge me for one more question. senator wicker do you believe that governor haley should use

whatever legal loophole exists tomorrow in honor of state senator pinckney's funeral to bring this flag down even temporarily? >> i don't know anything about the law in south carolina. i think it's been a very unifying moment to see this governor stand with her two senators in a moment of unity and others. and i'll leave that for them. i have no idea what the law allows or requires in south carolina. i think there's a lot of positive movement there. >> okay. senator booker back to what you want to talk about. and that is that there was another tragedy and that was the train derailment outside of philadelphia that took eight lives. you and your colleague have crossed party lines to work in a bipartisan manner to help fix this. what are you trying to do for train safety? >> regarding the flag it's not that i don't want to talk about that. i want to do things that

continue to unify our country. i'm happy with what i'm seeing in south carolina and mississippi. but we've got to be unified as well to deal with the challenges we're facing in our country. we have a tremendous infrastructure deficit and a lack of investment in the things that we know will help our country. after what happened in amtrak in pennsylvania that grievous tragedy that took human life also spoke to the urgency in this country to upgrade our infrastructure. we have nations from japan to china to all throughout europe that are flying past us quite literal rily with the speeds of their trains and their safety records. here i have a partner across the aisle that was focused on making sure that we find mechanisms to increase investment. what we have now is a bipartisan bill that increases investment over last year as well as over the house bill that invests not only in improving our

infrastructure but also in important critical safety needs like positive train control. this is a victory on a senate side. we have a lot more work to do to get this passed on the floor to make sure we do the responsible thing in our nation and with our nation's infrastructure. >> senators thanks so much for coming on "new day" to talk about all of these pressing matters. we appreciate your thoughts on all of this. >> alisyn you got a two-fer there. you got them about what's rel vent -- relevant. we're going the take a break. when we come back for years you've been told to cut the fat from your diet right?

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here we go with the five things to know. number one, officer gene palmer is due back in court today. he is accused of loaning the escaped killers tools behind bars and also of tampering with

evidence. clementa pinckney's funeral is set for tomorrow. president obama will deliver the eulogy. two other church massacre victims will be laid to rest today. a blistering heat wave in pakistan has already killed over a thousand people. hospitals are packed. they're relying on volunteers and donors for ice, water and spare beds. sadly that death toll is expected to rise. the boston bomber speaking out for the first time apologizing for the pain he caused the victims. dzhokhar tsarnaev made those comments before a judge imposed his death sentence. the courtjustices set to rule on same sex marriage and obamacare. today, though in our new day, new you, fatty foods, are they making a come back? turns out there is no health

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. the church massacre has had a ripple effect. the question is how it's going to manifest? what we're see right now is the fascination with the confederate flag. you have more lawmakers and

businesses commanding ingdemanding that that flag will be removed. let's bring in editor in chief of the daily beast, mr. john avlon. what do you see in this? >> this has been a remarkable sea change in a period of a week. when anyone ran for president and went through south carolina they were told by the local operatives just say it's a state's rights issue. >> you were seeing clinton gore banners on a confederate flag. >> lindsey graham tim scott, nikki haley, the entire basically congressional delegation with a couple of exceptions saying this should come down. and then the ripple effect. the governor of alabama taking it down in one day, walmart. that shows you how quickly things can change. all of a sudden one of the

impacts of this shooting has been that folks who always said it's heritage not hate are forced to confront the other people's view of it the view this is not a symbol of little bit -- liberty, this is a symbol of tiryranny for people. >> there are still people in south carolina who are opposing even having this debate. yes, i don't disagree with the fact this needs to be addressed and dealt with. but there is a conversation going on beside about the idea that it is pulling the focus away from the fact that racism is alive and well in this country. and talking about race issues instead of just talking about the flag or about gun rights -- do you think there's -- >> i disagree with you on the first fundamentally. i agree with you on second. this is literally a symbolic issue, right? >> do you think we obsess too much about a piece of fabric and

a flag? is it over blown and not looking at the underlying problems? >> one thing about the history of the flag it's also about confronting american history. it's about seeing the i in thousand. it the issue of whether it's deflecting from the issue of guns that's a separate issue. dylann roof bought this gun illegally and it was a handgun. moreover given that we have reunified republican control of congress i think people are feeling that gun debate is not going to go anywhere right now. this is a substantive if symbolic step. >> when there was an initial push to define this massacre as what it is which was a hate crime, there was partisan push-back on that. when it was called terrorism by people like me it was pushed

back on. and you're seeing that. and that's not just some fringe conservative right that's doing it. it's people that are pushing back on something that you would think would be an obvious and unifying moment. >> there was an impulse particularly by people running for president to try to defend this as an attack on faith. it was more comfortable than confronting race. once we had this guy's rambling racist manifesto, we knew what was going through his head to some extent. all of a sudden there became a greater taking into account the inflaunsuences of this. what's extraordinary from a south carolina perspective -- and my folks moved there almost 30 years ago -- is one of the things this has done is it's starting a conversation about how to honor the past without being held captive by it. there is more to be done. there is a two-thirds vote to come up. but what's happening is historic. >> a racist terrorist perhaps is

maybe the way you say it. that to me feels right. >> the guy who did the charleston thing was definitely a raceist terrorist. taking the flag off the general lee? let's see what happens. >> that's a whole other thing. >> what do you think about this? you know how to get it. tweet us go on facebook. continue this conversation. it matters. an airport full of adults wind up going above and beyond just to make a little kid happy. that's why it's the good stuff. you wouldn't do half of your daily routine. so why treat your mouth any differently. brushing alone does less than half the job

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