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multiple challenges to this law before the supreme court. the affordable care act is here to stay. >> supporters of the president's health care law are celebrating after a huge win at the u.s. supreme court. tonight, many republicans are refusing to accept defeat. i'll speak with the republican presidential candidate rick santorum. prison guard talks. cnn has spoken with the second person who now stands charged with helping two killers break free. here to tell you what we're learning about his alleged role in the escape. charleston mourns. the first funerals are held for the church shooting victims. another service is about to begin as the president prepares to head to the city to honor the dead. and threatening clinton. stand by for an exclusive surprising brand-new snapshot of the democratic presidential race. one challenger now gaining ground another front-runner in a key battleground state. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world.
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i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." this is cnn breaking news. >> let's get to the breaking news. a growing political threat to hillary clinton in the leadoff presidential primary state. take a look at this our brand-new and exconclusive cnn/wmur poll of new hampshire democrats, we're releasing the poll right now. secretary clinton holds just an 8-point lead over her close ns rival bernie sanders. his support is surging in that critical state. stand by for more on this significant tightening in the democratic presidential contest. also breaking president obama's calling today's u.s. supreme court ruling upholding his health care law a victory for americans. our correspondents and analysts are also standing by as we cover all the news breaking right now. first let's go to our justice correspondent pamela brown. she has more on this historic obamacare ruling. >> this is a resounding victory for president obama, who nearly
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saw four words established by the state gut his signature legislative achievement. chef justice roberts stepping in once again and taking the lead to save the bill allowing millions of people to keep their health insurance subsidies. >> reporter: supporters of the president's health care plan celebrating outside the supreme court after the justices kept the law intact reserving insurance coverage for millions of americans and handing the obama administration a massive win. >> aca is here to stay aca is here to stay! >> reporter: this marked the second time the conservative chief justice john roberts played a role in rescuing obamacare. he joined with anthony kennedy and the four lib rat justices in the 6-3 decision upholding federal eligible health care subsidies for eligible americans no matter where they live. roberts said a contentious phrase with four words
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"established by the state" does not change the law as a hold. "the context and structure of the act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase." >> the fact that the chief has yet again stepped in to lead the court in upholding the affordable care act is a sign i think of the strength of the administration's arguments that the law is legal. >> reporter: had obamacare opponents won, 6.4 million americans in 34 states would have been at risk of losing key subsidies for health insurance. and potentially their coverage. chief justice roberts argued "congress passed the affordable care act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them. if at all possible we must interpret the act in a way that is consistent with the former and avoids the latter." justice an that 9 scalia led the opposition, reading his scathing dissent from the bench of the court saying, "we should start calling this law scotus care." >> justice scalia is saying what
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the chief justice and the other justices did is to basically rewrite the law because congress was sloppy. but he simply just didn't have the argument in that case. >> reporter: there are other challenges in the pipeline to obamacare. but none that has such high stakes as the one today. it's interesting to note chief justice roberts could have ruled more narrowly. that would have given the next administration to interpret this law differently but he did not leave that door open. >> 6-3, very impressive win for the white house. thanks very much for that. let's get more on the president's reaction to this supreme court ruling. let's go to our white house correspondent michelle kosinski. very excited, very happy folks. >> reporter: absolutely. what we've seen from the white house leading up to this decision is this extremely confident posturing, saying things like this is an easy case that never should have been taken up. almost challenging the supreme court publicly. to see the sense of relief around here today, the celebration, tells you that
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maybe they didn't really think it was so certain that things would go their way. there were after all, two separate speeches written just in case. then you see those photos of people hugging. the president exuberantly slapping hands with his chief of staff. when he walked out to the rose garden started off his speech he seemed to speak directly to legacy. saying, this is something that's been talked about for a century, debated for decades, now today health care is the right of everyone. >> the affordable care act is here to stay. someday our grandkids will ask us if there was really a time when america discriminated against people who get sick because that is something this law has ended for good. >> is the president going to celebrate this? the white house won't say. does he feel vindicated? they also wouldn't go there. but said that he feels pleased. the white house has been want to frame this as all for the middle class, of course. you hear the president say this is a victory for hard-working americans, that this is a good
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day for america. but certainly this is a very good day for the white house. one of their best ever. especially today on the very same day the presidency's congress passed these very contentious bills that now open the doors to him making this historic trade pact with asia. also a legacy item. the white house is also acknowledging that the battles aren't over yet. just today we're hearing republicans vow to keep trying to "protect americans" from obamacare by trying to repeal it. he could also in the finalization of his trade deal with asia see another showdown with his own party. five days from now is the deadline for the nuclear deal with iran. that's going to have an array of fireworks all its own. >> michelle thank you very much. as you'd expect the democratic presidential candidates they're praising the u.s. supreme court decision tonight. hillary clinton tweeting yes! exclamation point. republicans are predictably
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blasting the supreme court ruling. jeb bush says he's disappointed. carly fiorina calls the decision outrageous. mike huckabee is going so far as to claim obamacare is completely unamerican. all the republican contenders are promising to continue the fight against the affordable care act if they are elected president. joining us now is one of those republican candidates. the former u.s. senator rick santorum. senator, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> what's your reaction to this huge victory for the president in the 6-3 decision by the u.s. supreme court? >> well really the question is is it a victory for the american public? when you look at the reality that most of the people who have signed up -- first millions of people lost their insurance because of obamacare. that's always glossed over. insurance that many people wanted in fact would still have and would keep in deference to and preference to obamacare. that's number one. number two, the majority of people who have signed up on this program are on medicaid.
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which is a program that fewer and fewer doctors and hospitals are actually taking. so you have the question yeah they have health insurance. but do they have health coverage? are they getting care? are they getting the kind of care that they want? there are a lot of big problems still in our health care system. the affordable care act doesn't really even begin to solve a lot of them. >> as you know the two republican-appointed justices they voted to keep obamacare precisely as have is. one appointed, anthony kennedy by ron reagan the chief justice appointed by george w. bush. you voted to confirm of chief justice, john roberts, as the chief justice. any regrets? >> well you know -- nobody's perfect. that's the way i look at it. i disagree with a couple of justice roberts' opinions. i think most of the time he does a pretty good job. in this case i think he's erred on the side of deferring to congress. i can't necessarily argue too much with that except for the fact that i think he's really
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rewriting the bill. and to try to save congress from its ineptitude. and that really isn't the role of the court. again, i don't see this as something that i'd pull back my vote from justice roberts because of this. what i would say is that it's important for the congress and for the next president to respond to the big problems that this bill is bringing to the american health care system. and the intrusiveness of just controlling -- i mean we have a bill that says everybody has to get certain health care coverage in america. really? is that what we want in america, that the government needs to decide the kind of health care coverage you have? i thought we did best in america when we allowed innovation, when we allowed people to have choices as to what they want. the other side is big on the word choice. except when it comes to economic choices that are best for them. >> but a lot of people they like what they're getting now. there are millions of people who didn't have meld insurance, who have it now. and there are a lot of families that like the fact that their
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children up to the age of 26 they can stay on their parents' health insurance program. if you have a pre-existing condition, a subject you know well given your family history, that people can get health insurance. whereas before obamacare they couldn't get health insurance. a lot of positive things, part of the affordable care act. right? >> the two most positive things really have nothing to do with the core of obamacare, which is the pre-existing condition and the h-26. by the way, i have a daughter who's age 24 who's still on health insurance. those are provisions -- many states had already pre-existing condition clauses that solved this problem. there was only a handful of states that didn't. but the point is the core of obamacare is this very complex prescriptive policy as to here are the insurance policies you have to have here's how much money you're going to pay here's how the insurance companies -- it's top-down government-run. what it's leading to is a lot of
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people opting out. you saw in one of the major newspapers today, tens of millions of americans say they're going without insurance. even though they're eligible for insurance they don't want it because of the costliness of it which the prescriptiveness of it. this is why i think we can have the best of both worlds. where republicans have fallen short in the past is they didn't have a positive agenda as to how to make sure that everybody could have resources to be able to afford insurance. but get the insurance that they want. and that's really what we need to be focused on. and when i was in the senate i proposed a bill like that and i will as president, be offering similar things that will make sure that people have the coverage they want as opposed to the coverage the government says they have to have -- you will acknowledge for all practical purposes you understand the legislative process, the presidential veto as long as barack obama's president of the united states there will be no significant changes to the affordable care act, right? >> i think that's obvious. that was obvious from the day he signed the bill. that's why i ran for president
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four years ago, so we could get at it. and that's one of the reasons i'm running for president now. this is a huge issue. this is an issue of freedom, this is an issue of choice this is an issue of doing what's best for people in america to give them the best quality health care. not the best insurance that government tells you you have to have but the care. it's a difference between insurance coverage and actual medical care that you're getting. and right now there's a big discrepancy between the two that's going to be more and more pronounced as time goes on. >> i want you to clarify a controversial comment you made back in 2013 on obamacare following the death of nelson mandela in south africa. you said he was fighting apartheid, which you called a great injustice, and then you went on and -- this was an interview with fox news -- you said obama is a great injustice. were you equating apartheid with obamacare? >> no clearly not. i don't like obamacare but it is not apartheid. and i just was -- that's called
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a transition. you know i tried to move to a topic that i wanted to talk about, which was at the time obamacare, and used the term -- i think obamacare is an injustice to millions of americans who are being forced to buy insurance that's way too costly and driving them in many cases out of the insurance markets altogether. but it does not compare at all, obviously, to the systematic discrimination of an entire race. >> i'm glad you clarified that. senator, stand by. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> i want to get back to the race for the white house. you got some problems right now, according to these latest polls out there. we're going to talk about how you plan on becoming from your perspective, the next president of the united states. stay with us. we all enter this world with a shout and we see no reason to stop. so cvs health is creating industry-leading programs and tools that help people stay on medicines
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we're back with republican presidential candidate rick sanitorium. after the huge supreme court decision upholding president obama's signature health care law, there's another major ruling, could come as early as tomorrow morning, involving same-sex marriage. not only being approved in states that already have approved it but that could go nationwide depending on what the supreme court decides tomorrow. if they decide that same-sex marriage should be legalized all over the united states what will be your reaction to that?
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>> again, i'd be disappointed for america that this decision which is a very important decision it's a foundational building block of society which is the institution of marriage that that would be decided in all likelihood by one person on a 5-4 decision in a court. that's not how these very consequential matters should be decided. again it goes to where the court is stepping in where it really doesn't belong. it needs to allow the american public to work through these difficult issues and have a good and robust debate and let the people work its will through the states or even through the federal government. >> what practically speaking if the supreme court rules that marriage equality same-sex marriage is legal, it's a right for everyone to have what would you be able to do about that to stop that from going -- you'd have to honor the supreme court decision? >> well you know as with every supreme court decision a lot of them i don't agree with put you
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have to respect those decisions. that doesn't mean you necessarily need to stand down and continue to go along with them. you know the abortion decision roe versus wade my opinion, was wrongly decided. you look back in the history of the court, the court hasn't gotten it right all the time as we know from some of the famous cases the court got it wrong and it took the congress sometimes a war to get it right. and so i would just suggest that anybody who disagrees with the court's decision i will be one of them if they so decide as you suggest, needs to go out and continue to make the case as i will that it's important to keep as preeminent the idea of marriage between a man and a woman for the purposes of giving children their birth right, a chance to be raised in a home by their parents. that to me is what is foundational bill. for the court to change a
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5,000-year-old institution by one vote to me seems like an overreach on the part of the court and i hope they don't do it. >> let's talk about the polls that are coming out. we have a brand-new cnn/wmur poll in new hampshire. you did very well. four years ago in the iowa caucuses you won several republican contests, in primary primaries. in new hampshire we asked republicans there who they support. bush was at 16%. trump 11%. you're down at 0% in new hampshire. that's republicans in new hampshire right now. you take a look at that fox poll that came out nationwide right now with jeb bush at 15%. donald trump 11%. ben carson 10%. you're only at 3%. in the fox news poll right now. that's not very impressive, is it? >> well you know -- when i won the iowa cau doeses four years ago, i was at 4% in the national polls. and i ended up with 25%, 26% of the vote here in the state of iowa. none of these polls matter.
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i can tell you, we win the iowa caucuses this time around as i expect we will my number in new hampshire won't be anywhere that number. winning is what matters. and the first state where you can win is iowa. and so all of these other polls are just that. they're snapshots of a public that by and large isn't paying a whole lot of attention to the presidential race right now. and that to me is really meaningless. what's meaningful is to get out as i am i'll be in western iowa tonight and tomorrow campaigning and securing commitments and votes. we have a fund-raiser. we're going to have 300 people at a fund-raiser here. those are the kinds of things that matter in the end when february rolls around not these summertime polls. >> the white house just released the statement, senator, saying the president just got off the phone with the russian president, vladimir putin. they spoke about the necessity of countering isis, the developments in the the middle east they said the situation in
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ukraine, the president reiterated the need for russia to fulfill its commitments under the minsk agreement, including the removal of all russian troops and equipment from ukrainian territory. they discussed these increasingly dangerous situations in syria and underscored the importance of the continued p5+1 the security council in germany, negotiations to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. if you were on the phone, if you were president at this particular moment, you're not but if you were speaking with putin, what would you tell him? >> i'd be discussing all of those issues. those are the relish ewes to discuss. i would tell him that we are going to stand by ukraine, we're going to stand by the other eastern european countries that are feeling very much threatened by russia and by its aggression and we're going to do so on a much more substantive way than what the president has done. it's nice to talk to vladimir putin putin, it's another thing to show the united states has resolve in making sure he
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doesn't violate the sovereignty of allyies that we have commitments to. on the issue of syria, that's been a debacle from day one that vladimir putin and barack obama have basically backed away from any kind of restrictions on chemical weapons. they're being used right now. chlorine reports of being used. we don't hear anything of it. it was a red line for the president at one point, now it's not even mentioned as chemical weapons continue to be used. and look at the situation in iran. vladimir putin, he can say what he wants. he's providing support to the iranian regime including support in their nuclear program. and this president is by all accounts allowing iran to have carte blanche in order to get that nuclear weapon in a relatively short period of time and not have to be -- account for any of the activities that they've undertaken either with the nuclear program or by their supportive terrorism. this is a complete capitulation.
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and i'm sure vladimir putin's very happy that the obama administration has seen their side of the equation siding with the iranians, instead of the israelis or other arab allies in the region. >> i'm sure we'll get a different perspective from the white house on several points you made but unfortunately we've got to leave it there. senator rick sanitorium thanks very much for joining us. coming up a wake is under way right now in charleston, south carolina for the pastor killed in that church master. we'll go there live. ht time snack. ♪ beautiful on the tongue, easy on the conscience. kellogg's®. see you at breakfast, tonight.™
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a second prison employee has now been charged with helping two convicted killers escape from an upstate new york prison. tonight, the manhunt almost three weeks old is intensifying. we're in day 20. cnn's alexandra field is on the scene for us. alexandra, what's the latest? what information are you learning? >> wolf we were expecting to see that corrections officer gene palmer off at least his attorney in court to enter their plea but we've learned a new attorney will be taking over this high-profile case, so this court appearance is being pushed back until monday. but at the same time we are learning more about what palmer is now telling state police investigators. tonight we're learning new details about the help david sweat and richard matt may have had in their escape. an official close to the investigation tells cnn gene palmer a prison guard, gave at least one of the inmates a screwdriver and needle nosed pliers. supposedly to help fix electrical breakers in the
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catwalk area behind their cells. the tools were later found at palmer's home after police executed a search warrant. palmer supervised matt and sweat while they worked on the breakers taking the tools back at the end of his shift. these were the same catwalks the inmates used during their elaborate escape 20 days ago. >> he didn't obviously come forward and say, i received paintings from matt and sweat, i provided them with needle nosed pliers. those are obviously things he did not disclose until he got caught. >> reporter: in an interview with new york state police, palmer says he didn't realize the assistance he provided to matt or sweat may have made their escape easier. palmer tells investigators he gave matt paint brushes and hamburger meat. in return he said he'd receive elaborate paintings and information on illegal acts taking place inside the prison. according to court documents palmer later tried to destroy those paintings. in an npr radio interview from
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15 years ago, palmer describes life inside the clinton correctional facility as a negative environment. he went on to say life as a prison guard is as miserable as the lives of the prisoners themselves. >> with the money that they pay you, you'll go bald, you'll have high blood pressure you'll become an alcoholic, you'll divorce and you'll kill yourself. >> tonight as escapee richard matt turns 49 hundreds of law enforcement officers are still searching through dense woods around a hunting cabin the fugitives are believed to have burglarized. boots and a sock were found inside that cabin. >> there's a sock that's been recovered, listed as white and red. the red could obviously be blood. i do know that a dna profile was from one of the socks. >> reporter: investigators concentrated some of their search effort in the mountain view area today. that's not too far from the cabin where both men were
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believed to be staying. some 2,400 tips related to the search have now come in wolf. state police say that tonight there are more than 1,100 law enforcement officers spread out between franklin county and clinton county. >> alexandra field, thanks very much. the research issearch is covering 7,500 square miles, about 20 miles west of the prison where sweat and matt escaped almost three weeks ago. let's get the latest on the manhunt from the sheriff of franklin county in upstate new york. sheriff action thanks very much for joining us. have searchers found new information, new evidence bringing them perhaps closer to these two guys? >> i'd love to be able to tell you that. that unfortunately is not the case. i will say that i think we had fewer sightings today. but we did have an increased number and frequency of phone cats and tips we've been receiving. new york state police and bci have been busy running down those phone calls and checking on the abandoned camps. we've had people that have
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reported what they thought was a possible burglary. we're running all those down. anything that looks to have any kind of credibility, they're sending forensic people out to take a look at it. we haven't had anything that we could take a really good bite out of just yet. >> these two sightings, were they deemed credible? >> no neither one of the sightings. as a matter of fact i think three or four of the last couple of days i participated in two of those myself. we have not had a credible sighting since saturday at the camp where they were spotted. >> the search is now focused also on two towns in your county belmont and malone. are you still operating under assumption sheriff, that these two guys could be armed? >> i think that's been the assumption since they left the prison. from a law enforcement perspective, we've got to assume they're armed. and they're intelligent. they're manipulative. and they're convicted killers. if they have a chance to arm themselves we believe they will. >> as you know, there are more than 1,000, maybe 1,100, law enforcement officers committed
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to this manhunt right now. do you know if even more resources are need eded? >> i think we have a lot of resources here. the problem is the area is so vast. like i say, the tips are coming in in all different areas. outside the perimeter, within the perimeter. it's a huge area to cover. so we've got to check out all those tips to make sure they haven't gotten through our perimeter. other than that i think they're still in this area. >> we'll check back with you tomorrow sheriff. hopefully they'll get some good information, narrowing in on these two convicted killers. she was, thanks very much franklin county upstate new york. let's dig deeper with our cnn producer simon brook perez. he interviewed the guard charged in the escape. also joining us former fbi assistant director cnn law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes. retired chief deputy u.s. marshal matthew fogg. former atf special agent matthew
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horace. simon, you met gene palmer this prison guard facing they felonies one misdemeanor in connection with this here risk escape. tell us what he told you, describe his demeanor. >> he was extremely nervous. i can honestly say in meeting, when i met with him, he seemed really concern the. he knew what was coming. it was just about two days after he had spent 14 hours with state police telling them what he knew telling them what he did, what he didn't do. he knew. he knew he was about to face serious charges. he was scared. he was scared for his life his family and the shame that he brought upon himself and the community, really. this is a very proud man. he was a corrections officer for 28 years. loved the job. now it has brought him a lot of shame. such angst and such anger sort
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of within him. because a part of him felt betrayed. betrayed by joyce, betrayed by the guards who he had spent many years building a relationship with. to know they would do something like this i think gave him a lot of -- there was a lot of anger, a lot of angst. because quite frankly, he's afraid now that he went from being a prison guard to being someone who's going to be behind bars. we talked all about that. we talked about his life his family where he grew up. he's from brooklyn i'm from brooklyn. so there was some sort of kind of what his life has been like. you know now he sort of feels, what's he going to do next? and really it was a matter of just sort of letting some of this out. i think he felt happy to talk about it. he wouldn't go into specifics about what he did, what he didn't do. he really wanted me to know what kind of person he is wolf.
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>> he obviously knew what he did was clearly wrong. tom fuentes, his attorney stepping down another attorney stepping in. that's not unusual? >> i don't think so. i think in this case the attorney recognize the that he was over his head. he wanted to be out of it. not responsible for what was going to happen next. let another attorney step in and take it. >> they're looking at at all sorts of logs now where there's perception that perhaps others were involved on the inside as well. not just these two who have already been arrested. >> that's right, wolf. they're checking everything they can right now. now they've got two guards involved probably others. the thing is to make sure no rock is unturned they're looking at every situation, every person who made calls, what guards made other concessions to these inmates. and you get a lot -- again, when you get that type of situation, you get -- guards get close to these people. how close were they? >> you've got to assume matthew horace that maybe others were
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involved for a sophisticated escape like this allowing these guys for 20 days to be on the run. >> we said from the very beginning that there had to be more than one person. i think we're starting to see the dominos fall. with each and every interview that investigators do onsite they're recovering more information. they're going back to the principal suspect. they're going back to the second suspect now. they're talking toefrry inmate ever eye trusty every guard, every contractor, and coming up with more and more information. we can all see that someone was asleep at the switch that allowed this to happen. >> it's still hard for me to believe these two convicted killers were in that honor block, if you will and they had the freedom to do all that kind of stuff. and basically effectively manipulate these two guards to help them escape. stand by we'll have more coming up. also coming up we're going back live to charleston south carolina where a wake is being held right now for the pastor killed in that church master.
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today for two other victims. cnn's elaine machado is in charleston at the church. elaine na, what's the latest you're seeing there? >> reporter: wolf we've been seeing a steady flow of people arriving at this church. they opened up the doors about an hour ago. i'm going to move out of the way so you can see. this is the crowd that's gathered here. people continue to go in and out of the church. while they're walking inside and paying their respects there's a crowd outside of others who are here to show their love and support for the victims' families as this community continues to say good-bye to the nine victims of this massacre. ♪ i've had my share ♪ >> reporter: laying two of the nine church shooting victims. ethel lance was 70 and enjoying her retirement. she worked for 34 years at gilyard auditorium. her daughter nadine collier describes her as a strong woman who worked hard to keep her family together and was devoted
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to emanuel ame church. last week collier spoke directly to her mother's killer at his first court appearance. >> you took something very precious away from me. but i forgive you. and have mercy on your soul. ♪ >> reporter: victim sharonda coleman singleton was a reverend at church where her life was taken. she was also a speech therapist and high school track coach. her oldest son chris plays baseball for charleston southern university. >> love is always stronger than hate. so we just love the way my mom would. and the hate won't be anywhere close to what love is. >> reporter: also today, the body of reverend and state senator clementa pinckney returning home to mother emanuel for his wake. pinckney had been lying in state inside the south carolina statehouse where just outside the confederate flag still flies.
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though governor nikki haley has called for the flag's removal, she acknowledges she doesn't have the authority to do it herself. she says doing so would likely leave her open to a lawsuit. supporters of the flag and the history it represents defending it on the statehouse lawn earlier today. >> attempting to use this horrible crime to remove historical markers and monuments and to deface them is despicable despicable shameful and disrespects them. >> reporter: attention on the horrific attack and the flag debate that has followed continues to have national implications. and tomorrow it will take another turn. when the president heads to charleston to deliver the eulogy at reverend pinckney's funeral. now we've just learned that the mayor of hattiesburg, mississippi, has ordered the temporary removal of the mississippi state flag from city buildings as a show of support for the victims of this tragedy.
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we're also hearing today from the family of dylann roof. they released a statement through their attorney basically saying that they understand they recognize that there are still many questions surrounding the background behind what happened here. they also say, i'm going to read part of the statement which says rest assured in the coming days as more information becomes available, we will do our best to answer them. that being said we would like to take this time to reflect on the victims and give their families time to grieve." wolf? >> alina thanks very much. let's dig deeper with cnn anchor don lemon also joining from us charleston. what's your impression don, now that you were there on the ground? >> reporter: it's overwhelming wolf just to be here in person watching it on television it's very moving but to be here in person of course you can -- you're here, you're part of the emotion. and so many people around the country want to come here and be part of it. perhaps you at home folks at home watching want to be a part
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of this and you couldn't so we're going to take you inside. we're standing in front of the church. if you see the steps there, people are walking, they're walking through one side and walk out the other. and then they just sort of move them along. a lot of people who were in the crowds here in the crowd in front of these gates earlier, then they must make their way down here. let's walk around here and show you what's going on. people have been out here wolf almost the entire time since this happened. even in the overnight hours, in the wee hours, we have been seeing people out here. just about an hour ago, you can see there's a hearse right there. the body of the pastor and reverend and state representative clementa pinckney arrived here. of course his body his body laid in repose yesterday. he made it back here today. but if you look here this line snakes all the way down the street calhoun street in front
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of mother emmanuel and then they go up in here. they started about 6:00. it will be over about 8:00. judging from the amount of people here i'm pretty sure they'll allow it to go on a little longer. i interviewed some people on cnn. they came from new jersey. this is former governor and state representative sanford. why are you here? >> we've been overwhelmed as a community. seeing the love that came out of those nine families and how they responded at the bond hearing. love ultimately triumphs hate. seen a whole lot of that here. >> the prayer service last night. the power of love. the first time in one week since that incident where nine people tragically lost their lives. wolf back to you. that's the emotion you're seeing here. >> don, thank you.
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we're back with breaking news. the 2016 presidential race. our brand new exclusive cnn wmur poll shows hillary clinton facing a significant challenge in new hampshire. bernie sanders has surged among democrats in the lead-off primary state. he's trailing clinton by just eight percentage points. let's bring in dana bash our sirn political correspondent breanna keilar and ron bronstein. bernie sanders, 35%. he's jumped 20 percentage points in new hampshire in one month. could he really be a threat to hillary clinton? >> i don't think so and i don't mean to diminish the surge but i think what you're seeing is while it is this momentum i think what you are seeing is bernie sanders has an opportunity to shape the debate
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here. that's what you're seeing him do. hillary clinton has moved to the left on a number of issues because she's aware there's this desire make sure she is very much staying to the left and playing to the base of her party. you don't see bernie sanders taking big hits at hillary clinton. even though he's saying i don't run negative campaigns. you have to take some hard hits. i don't see him doing that. even bernie sanders realizes his role is really to shape this and not to kick her out of the race. >> let's see if he does that in the upcoming debates. we take a closer look at the poll. hillary clinton still beats sand irs on things like who would be best on the economy. which candidate cares most about your values? >> the democratic primary is usually divided into the wine
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track which is a more upscale and then a blue collar and minority candidate. new hampshire has been the most friendly state to the wine track candidates. paul tsongas won there. mccarthy. that's where bill bradley ran his strongest against al gore. it's a place that's college educated affluent 95% white. ideal for a candidate like sanders. he may not win but it is where he'll pose his biggest threat. >> he has had this quiet under the radar support for a long time among democratic activists. and you see it and hear about it just on the internet. you wouldn't think somebody like sanders, who is no millennial would be so popular even in social media. and he is. >> a lot of things like new hampshire is an exaggeration of
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the threat because it's the ideal place for him. the fact he was ahead among young people is telling. >> he's also from a neighboring state, and he's probably getting a lot of that support that would have -- >> this is where bill bradley got closest to al gore. when he couldn't get over the top. >> people wanted elizabeth warren to run in neighboring massachusetts. a lot of them probably like sanders. christie is going to announce soon? >> we are told christie is going to announce tuesday. he's not going to do anything until the end of the legislative session in new jersey. until he signs the budget. the deadline for that is june 30th. he's going to announce that very day in his hometown of livingston new jersey in front of his high school livingston high school where he played football and talk about his bio, and why he is who he is and that's because of where he came from. >> donald trump doing amazingly
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well not only in new hampshire. guys thanks. >> 18 is enough. >> we love what's going on. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next breaking news in the manhunt for two convicted killers. a prison guard's stunning confession leads to serious charges revealing major failures at the prison. then calls to ban the confederate flag spreads. the mayor of new orleans considering a change in street names. and donald trump surging in a new cnn poll. is he for real? the presidential candidate will be outfront for me with a one on one interview. that's all coming up this hour. let's go "outfront." good evening.