you're in that area to be on the safe side. >> that's right. >> we'll stay on top of this story throughout the night. an historic day on several critically important issues. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer. erin burnett out front starts right now. >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. the breaking news one of the escaped killers is dead. shot down after firing at a civilian. the other convict in a desperate chase at this moment. law enforcement officials telling, thn richard matt was killed after he killed a driver. that -- shot a driver. that driver called 9 -1-1. a local resident capturing this

video of police heading to the scene. now, at this moment as i'm speaking the other killer david sweat is on the loose. they're on a desperate effort to find him. law enforcement officials tell us they don't have eyes on him. officials say the escaped killers may have been on their way to canada. yesterday they found evidence in the town of malone. it was near there that matt was killed tonight. the two men escaped from a maximum security prison in new york that's 21 days ago. as you can see the distance on the map, about 40 miles per hour. we have people on the ground where this is going on. we have the latest of sweat and the search. i want to start with minute by minute we are awaiting whether they possibly find him. what happens to david sweat in what do you know about the hunt for him at this moment?

>> reporter: well erin that critical moment right now unfolding not far from where i'm standing along route 30. you can see the barricade that's been set up. you need a police badge to get past that. much of this is unfolding 30 miles or so from where we're standing and even hours after the shots were fired, so many people here are on edge. many people here while there is a sense of relief that at least half of the threat is gone there's still a lot of uncertainty right now being that authorities don't have eyes on the remaining funltive that is likely still on the run, david sweat. as for resources, i can tell you from our vantage point, we have seen seemingly an endless parade of patrol cars speeding right past us heading to the heart of the action. at this moment we've seen that subside quite a bit but it doesn't mean there aren't anymore resources on the way. i did notice there are dozens of

flood lights being brought in. this is far from over. authorities here for the long run as they expect this potential man hunt to extend into tonight as well. >> that's a crucial detail. everyone this search has got an lot harder at night. they're bringing in flood lights indicating they are ready to get david sweat if they can find him. alexander field is where richard matt was shot. they had reason to believe the two men were together. what do you know about how this went down? >> reporter: we know richard matt is dead three weeks after he tunnelled his way to freedom and it was no mistake that authorities were able to close in on him in franklin county where they moved 1100 law enforcement officers in place to pursue both of the men following a few credible leads. here's the time line of what

went down this afternoon. we know about 1:30 there were reports of shots fired. a half an hour later, another report of shots fired. that official round of shots was called in by a man driving an rv. he later called police a second time when he discovered his camper had been struck by a bullet hole. at that point police did a sweep 069 of the area. that's when they closed in on richard naught. he approached with a rifle. it was a tactical team that took him down. the police have been from focusing in this area. they discovered yesterday a cabin somewhere in the town of malone where there were signs of a burglary. they went in and collected pieces of evidence and deemed that evidence to be conclusive of the fact that they had been there. this morning, another development in the case. they found more items which they believed belonged to the two fugitives. they were here. they were ready to respond

whenever that next break would surface. today they got it with that first round of shots fired. >> all right. alexander field, thank you very much. we'll be going back to alex polo has the situation develops. i want to bring in this clinton county sheriff. the bottom line question i know you heard the reporter talking about the flood lights. how confident are you he will be found tonight? >> we've hoping for the best but we're preparing for whatever it will take to bring the individual in. we're bringing in additional resources, everything we have available through our department and surrounding departments including additional infrared trucks flood lights. we're ready to go through the night and bring this thing to a close. >> and sheriff, we're reporting that after richard matt was shot searchers found a second foot of

footprints that they thought blorchged to david sweat. they may have even heerd him running away as in he was that close. now, this obviously richard matt was shot and killed earlier this evening. we've had two hours. however could david sweat be right now or are you confident that area is cordoned off? >> there's over 1100 law enforcement personnel up in that immediate vicinity and they responded very quickly to be able to close that off. this is definitely the hardest perimeter that i've seen around any area since the man hunt started 21 days ago. >> do you think david sweat is armed? the reason he was in the facility was because he shot a sheriff's department 22 times. >> that's correct. do you think he's armed, sir? >> well have good reason to believe that there's a possibility that he's armed. we've obviously seen that his partner was armed so we're approaching him as if he is armed. obviously we know he's extremely

dangerous and we're going to take whatever steps necessary to bring him in. >> and we're reporting richard matt was armed. he shot at an rv driver in an attempted carjacking before he was shot and killed by law enforcement. what do you know about the weapons that he had? >> i didn't get to see the weapon that he had with him. i'm sure they've taken that weapon in as evidence but i couldn't tell you exactly right now what it is. it's been mentioned several times with all the sportsmen camps up there there's probably weapons and hunting knives and compasses, many items that you would need to be able to survive in the wilderness and to be able to put up a battle if needed. >> now, matt was caught because the rv driver called 9-1-1. he noteiced bullet holes and called 9-1-1. law enforcement responded and shot and killed richard matt.

would you have caught richmond matt without that call? >> i've said since day one that this case is going to be closed with the eyes and ears of the people in the community. this is proof of that. without the quick reproach to get that investigation to 9-1-1, immediately. the timeliness was critical we may not have been able to get this type of a break that's gotten us to this point right now. >> sheriff, before you go. i want to ask, there are some reports completely unconfirmed, that david sweat, there may to be a shootout incident that went down. are you aware or to your knowledge, is he still on the run? >> i just spoke to some of my guys and they're not aware of any shots. they're probably refer organization it's late news getting out from the shots that were fired two hours ago by now. >> i appreciate you taking the time and being with us. i know obviously, this is an incredibly important night for you. we wish you the best of course

in these next few moments and hours as the search continues for david sweat. thank you, sheriff. we have a retired u.s. marshal. you are the one who told us the first to say richard matt was shot. that was before anyone else found out. what are your sources telling you right now? >> well there's a couple things. obviously, that matt was armed, which i think we knew based on what had happened probably a week ago when they had broken into that original cabin, and i think that is a key part. i mean we gave these guys way too much credit in the beginning when we started saying oh they must have plan b, plan c. obviously, they had plan a and they've been on foot the whole time. so i think what you've got now is they're getting desperate. they've been three weeks on the run. they probably have been sleeping due to exhaustion, and they're not eating correctly.

they're probably sick and the key to this thing was finding this cabin yesterday. >> and are you hearing any details when you talk about them being sick about richard matt's physical condition when they found him? anything that might give some clues as to how they've been hiding but also what condition david sweat who's on the run at this moment might be in right now? >> i haven't heard anything specific but when you've been on the run, obviously there's spence pressure on you, number one. you're not eating correctly. i'm sure they're suffering from dehydration. as we move through this, you know, it could very well be that matt said i'm not going to be taken alive. i'm going to go down in a gunfight and that's what happened. now, if they're surrounding sweat at this point, this could be the same scenario in dealing with him is that he might not know that matt is down and now being by himself, he doesn't have that other individual with him to provide the physical and

psychological support that he's going to need to stay out there. ? >> all right. art, you're going to be with us a lot more to talk to you about. this perimeter they've set up with where they believe david sweat is trying to break out. right around the area where they shot and killed richard matt. our breaking news coverage continues after this. authorities in hot pursuit of david sweat at this moment. plus how is david sweat evading more than 1,000 searchers in a survivalist who knows the area of the hunt is up next.

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tonight. earlier tonight richard matt killed in a shootout. this after an attempted carjacking that went down 12 11 miles from the canadian boarder. david sweat is on the loose. authorities think the two were on the run together and were together. they have as we were just told by the sheriff on the ground dwrrks the hardest perimeter on the ground he's ever seen. we have someone at the command center. and do police think sweat is in the perimeter and that they're going to be able to get him in the next few minutes? >> reporter: i think they do. during the break, we had two new york state police helicopters leave this area and go up in the skies toward this area where they are pursuing this convicted murder. we just got information from the clinton county sheriff's police department. as they continue to search by air, they're going to be using the infrared lights. those are the lights that allow

them to look on the ground and see things you would not be able to see through normal eyesight. we also understand they will have a four-drive vehicle with these fran red lights that will go into the brush and the atv trails to be able to see things that at night the naked eye could not see. and the new york state police told us earlier today that they've had experts on this to try to see if they believe the inmates are traveling during the daytime or at night and what they decided was that it is the nighttime that matt and sweat have been moving from area to area. and it was today that the search seemingly changed to a north, northwest area. this morning there was a check point. there had never been and then we heard later on that they fully believed or believe at this point since there's still a man hunt that one or two of them were bound for the canadian border. but it all began on thursday and that is when a cabin in that village of malone area was

burglarized. we now know the homeowner came forward saying there was a liquor bottle that was found in his kitchen and that's when they did field tests and we learned today that they found items believed to be dropped in the field by the inmates, and so this afternoon these items have been tested at the new york state crime lab, and, of course, that is an addition gnat aspect of all that important in any prgs but that is what led them to the area and where now it is confirmed richard matt dead and on the pursuit of david sweat. i want to tell you one more thing. law enforcement sources telling cnn that richard matt had a shotgun in his hand and i spoke with the woman today very close friends with the owner of that cabin. last saturday that they believed a shotgun was missing. she said it was an antique. he knew immediately his shotgun was missing from that cabin and now law enforcement saying it

was a shotgun that one of those inmates had today that they were using to shoot. >> all right. well thank you very much. jean is going to stay with us. i want to go to pamela brown. he's been talking to law enforcement about the hunt. you just heard jean saying that perhaps richard matt was armed with an antique shotgun. david sweat shot a sheriff's department 22 times. that's how he ended up in jail in the first place. he's desperate. what do you know about how armed he may be right now? >> reporter: i know law enforcement officials are operated as though he is armed. that's what they're assuming right now. the belief among law enforcement is that the weapons were stolen from that cabin that we were just talking about. we know that they raided a cabin in the area, stole a lot of items from there. richard matt was armed with a shotgun when he got into that shootout with authorities earlier today and was shot and killed. the belief is that david sweat

is also armed at this moment as we speak, hiding out. we know that there's a hard perimeter around him according to the sheriff there but it is a big concern, because this is a man who was not only a convicted killer but not and killed a sheriff's department. he is not afraid to do that. they are proceeding as though he also has weapon stolen from the cab thanin that they were in. >> pamela, thank you very much. a lot of reporting there. i want to bring in a mana couple of people. we're trying to wait for updates on the search for david sweat with this perimeter. air strike erik, you know him. >> i think his immediate thoughts are he's trying to get as far away or plan an attack because he knows they're surrounding him and he knows he

doesn't want to go back to prison. >> when pamela is talking about the fact he was in prison because he shot a sheriff's department 22 times your idea is he's going down in a gunfight. >> he's not going back. this was his one shot out. he took it and now he's not going wacback. >> investigators admit they don't have eyes on him. they thought they saw a second set of footprints. they didn't actually see him. do you think he's there? >> i'm hoping he's there. the fact that these guys are desperate now. it's been 21 days. for matt to go and fire at that vehicle, had to know that he was in his right mind that police would be swarming that area soon. apparently i think that's happening >> a last shot. >> right. they're sick and tired. if sweat was anywhere within a close range of matt when he was shot i'm sure they've got him cordoned in now. but if he was able to make it out of there, we might still

have another couple days. i'm hoping he was close by. >> tell me how it would work. they have a shoot out and kill richard matt. a few seconds go by. they hear someone think presume is david sweat running away. they were close but it's been two hours. darkness is coming. >> the whole thing is once something like that happens, your good starts running. i've been in situations reichlike this. we're close. i'm sure a bunch of them ran through the woods hoping to run into him and at the same time calling for help and getting areas cordoned off. >> how long would it take? it would take a little while. >> i go to theed a ran daks all the time. if you lose going off the track there, all right, on a trail and you go into the woods, it's crazy. it is so thick. it's like a jungle. that's how tight it is over

there. they could be five or ten feet away from him and not see him, and i'm sure if they saw him, they would be firing shots at time at the same time they were shooting at matt but apparently they did not see him. >> he could be sitting still and hiding? >> that's correct. >> we've been hearing possibly their sick. you heard people saying look the rumors about the shootout with sweat, not true at this time to his knowledge but that they could have been sick. what's the condition they would have been? >> if they haven't had any fresh water for the last couple of days you see they went to a cabin and were drinking liquor. maybe they're drunk. maybe they're running through the woods crazy. maybe they don't know the extent of the search perimeter because they haven't watched tv. maybe they didn't know law enforcement was so close on him. >> i think it's been too long. i go two or three days when i work a homicide and i didn't get

home or two or three days when i was working. your brain doesn't work right. i think they're getting to that point now where they're going to start making a lot of mistakes and i think that sweat will probably be captured soon because he's down to his last -- >> do you think it happens before night fall? i hope so. once it gets dark it's very hard. i'm surprised, i don't know if the dogs picked up a scent. if the dogs do they should be able to follow the scent to follow where sweat is. i'm hoping that's working out for them and hopefully we'll be able to track them down. >> this situation is so fluid. we keep waiting to hear and report. next our breaking news coverage continues the desperate search for the last fujgitivefugitive. we'll take a closeup look of the area. we are counting the minutes until the sunsets tonight, and

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we're back with our major breaking story tonight. one escaped killer shot dead. the other on the loose. richard matt killed in a shootout with officers 11 miles from the canadian border. he may have been attempting to carjack an rv. the driver called 9-1-1. he was killed in a shootout. david sweat is now the sole subject of a massive han hunt. here's what we know. the sheriff just telling me moments ago that they have the tightest perimeter he has ever

teen around this area. they don't think david sweat could have gotten out but they don't know where he is. they found a set of footprints next to richard matt. they believe they belonged to sweat. they're in a desperate race to found sweat at this moment. how close are they? >> reporter: they're throwing every resource they have available into this hunt. that's why so many units have been heading south of where i'm standing right now. south of here is like titus and then there's elephant head where the search was focussed. we've seen dozens of police units heading for what appears to be somewhere in that direction. this is a wide ranging search right now. investigators feel they may have been closer to sweat than ever before while they pursued and took down richard matt. the question now is where he is. earlier today investigators said

they had information that both of the men together were trying to head northwest toward canna da. da. >> there are extra units at the border who are there in advance of the canadian border. typically you would just pass through the canadian security but things have been moved so every car can be searched. authoritying committed to not letting him out of this perimeter tonight. >> all right. thank you very much. we're going to be going back live. fluid with the perimeter as they're hoping any minute for word of david sweat. tom foreman has lot more detail about the area where richard matt was killed and where they're searching for matt sweat. they're saying this area is so

heavily wooded that someone could be seven feet away and you might not be able to see them. what can you tell us about this area? >> what that is exactly right. no first of all, i can tell you where they thought it would be. if you take a look at the original place. this is the prison they broke free from. we're talking about a distance that is 20 miles here and another 14 up until the cinder of malone. this is where they found evidence that these guys might have been. let's look at this specific area and talk about this. basically they have sealed off this part of route 30 and seal aufd that road coming off this way. if they have a corden out here a perimeter around there this you're talking about a very tight zone they can search in but you're right. what does that amount to? if you're talking about the case of matt that was a case where they were along a road there was an attempted carjacking. they say they encountered him

coming out of the woods. that's where he was killed. very different question with sweat. there you're talking about woods that can be just like this. he's an amazing thing. look at this picture. think about this. you're actually seeing two people in the woods right now. here's one right over here behind that tree. these are searchers and then here's another one right over here. that's not a far picture and that's all you can see. so you can see why they're racing sun down. they'll have about 8 1/2 hours before it comes back up. that's a long time for someone to try to slip back out through that area we described just a short while ago. >> all right, tom, thank you very much and we do have a breaking dwomtd breaking development right here. we are reporting that law enforcement officials say they are right on top of david sweat. this is the literal words that i have are right on top of david

sweat. so that's what we know. obviously the belief is then this could go down at any second or minute. they believe he is armed. you just heard from the sheriff, the sheriff also telling me the perimeter they set up is the hardest perimeter he's seen in his career. right around the area with richard matt was selled. they believe david sweat is there and armed and right now reporting on top of david sweat. at this moment we're awaiting to see if there are shots heard, what we can tell you but we believe that this could be going down any second from now. we'll be getting back to our reporter as soon as we can get them with us as soon as they get a little bit more information. i have shane hobel with me and also the u.s. marshal. art, let me start with you. what are you hearing? you hear with deborah forrics are reporting. i know this is the u.s. marshal group you used to work with. >> yes, exactly. i think probably what you've got

is an outer perimeter of regular police officers and then you've got the u.s. marshal special operations group. you've got border patrol and new york state police and other groups that have r more than likely handling the inner perimeter and literally just walking through the woods trying to locate him. now, in they're right on top of him, i'm sure that's what they're doing. >> and those words, when they say right on top of what would that mean? does that mean they've had eyes on him, they've heard him or when you hear phrasing like that what do you hear as an expert? >> that sounds like to me that somebody has actually put eyes on him. >> that someone has put eyes on him. you would think this could be going down in second or minutes but the biggest fear is that he's arm. >> we have to assume he's armed. there's already been one shoot out. the question is whether he's going to give up or get into a

fire fight or the possibility of suicide. any one of those options could occur. i'm hoping we can arrest him alive so we can find out exactly what occurred prior to the escape from the facility and what he did afterwards. >> and if he is heavily armed, what would your assumption be as to why they would be at this moment very careful. we know do know i want to remind our viewers the reason he was in clinton correction cal was he shot a department sheriff 22 times. they believe he is willing and able to try to do that again but do you think that that is what he's planning to do to go out in a blaze of glory as a friend of richard matt says richard matt wanted to do? >> it would seem that way. i mean, he's doing 25 years to life. more than likely he'll die in jail in he goes back. it's his decision. if there's any show of a force or weapon at all, these highly

trained teams from the marshals and the fbi hrt will take him away. they're not going to take any opportunity for him to get away. >> when they say right on top of him, you heard art say that would mean they have had eyes on him. we've also heard this area is so dense that someone could be a new feet away from you and you wouldn't be able to see them. you're talking about trees and objects between law enforcement and between david sweat. do you anticipate that this will be something that they'll be resolving in the next few minutes minutes, that we'll see some sort of a development. >> i believe so. the only option i can see is him lying in wait. there's a lot of nooks and cannies and we're only about an hour away from sunset. that's what's going to make it difficult. being on top and having eyes on, this is whether weatherre they need to increase pressure.

>> they're under a lot of pressure because it's getting dark. i know they have the flood lights and infrared helicopters but darkness is not in their favors. >> no. having additional lights contrast the light and dark. it makes it difficult for officers to move through because having search lights also takes away their night vision ability by natural adjustment. there's a lot of factors for them and against them at this point including sweat, so -- he's either going to go out in a blaze of glory or he's going to hide his shadow and try to out wit them but i don't see that happening. >> thank you both very much. i know you'll both be staying with us. this is developing second by second. we'll try to squeeze in a commercial. we're going to be going to the ground to cover this. they are now saying they are right on top of david sweat.

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second a major development in the desperate search for david sweat. the convicted killer on the run. we are reporting that officials are quote, unquote, right on top of david sweat. former u.s. marshal telling me that means they have had eyes on him. that is a major development. obviously, this is something that is going down in the seconds and minutes as i'm speaking. richard matt was shot and killed by border patrol officers earlier this evening in a shootout. alexander field is on the right and alex what are you learning? we're hearing right on top of david sweat. >> reporter: right. getting that information from law enforcement sources. what we're seeing on the ground is an onslaught of police units moving toward lake titus. i'm hearing a helicopter hovering overhead. this is something we've seen throughout the afternoon but obviously the helicopters have

been key to this search. as nightfalls they become essential. they are armed with infrared. it's the only way you could see someone under the cover of darkness. you can see it hovering above right now. i have to say that even the thermal imaging technology isn't foolproof in an event like this because we're talking about deeply wooded and forested areas where you have a lot of tree canopy. you can't always tell if there's someone hiding out and you can't distinguish if it's a fugitive of an animal. some of the challenges law enforcement will be up against as they continue to descend on this area tonight. they have a tight perimeter and encouraging news from what we're hearing from law enforcement sources but everyone is waiting to hear the words capture. the shooting of richard matt happened at 3:40 this afternoon. we can infer that that's the closest that police have been to david sweat. they saw a second set of tracks

that they think belonged to him. they're hoping he hasn't been able to slip far beyond the place where they took richard matt down. the course they have pursued to this point appears to have gone from cabin to cabin. we know there was a break in at a cabin a week ago. we know there was another cabin that was burglarized and reported sometime yesterday that police connected to the fugitives and today a man calling police after he said he saw an alcohol bottle out on the table. the question now, where is david sweat in he probably can't get to another cabin at this point. police are hoping to close in on him. >> alex field is going to stay with us. she's talking to sources and staying with us. we have her ready as news may break. i want to go back to arthur roderik and also a retired nypd detective. one of the things you've been

talking about here they may have eyes on him and may be right there, but they need to take him alive. >> i'd want him alive. i mean, he is a treasure-trove of information. he's going to be able to tell us how it was done who enabled him. >> which is crucial. >> the in respect general is going to want to know that because they're doing the investigation at the prison. there's probably a lot of nervous people there tonight. >> would you agree that the goal is to try -- they're also nervous because this is a man who had no problem shooting a sheriff's department 22 times. >> i adpleegree. it would be great to take him alive. several years ago i was involved in a shooting situation in terrain similar to this. when we're saying seven feet is actually less than that and it is chaotic. the last thing we want to do is be involved in a shooting situation in this type of terrain. if they're talking to him now which i hope they're doing,

maybe they can talk him out of this but i'm not too optimistic about this. >> you have border patrol and a lot of different groups in this perimeter and they're not necessarily able to talk directly to each other. it might be going back through command and control. >> communication is a problem with a large situation like this. the law enforcement agents are well trained. nobody wants to have to take anybody's life. the possibility of him taking his own life is probably greater than the police shooting him. >> well as we await this we're going to take a brief break and break out of it if there is a development. our breaking news coverage continues. one escaped killer dead. the other one police authorities say they are right on top of at this moment. we'll be right back. listen up team i brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear

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already had eyes on him. obviously a couple of hours ago, richard matt who he was on the run with was killed in a shootout with authorities. this following their brazen prison escape from the clinton correctional facility in upstate new york. i want to get straight on the ground at the command center. jeanne as we are hearing they're on top of david sweat, that might mean eyes on him. you're at the command center u.s. marshals border patrol and police and people in this area what are you hearing? >> well they're also dealing with the daylight hours. we have got about one hour left of day light. what we are learning from law enforcement, clinton county sheriff's department they are prepared tonight to conduct this search search they have infrared, going up off the ground to see what they cannot normally see. two more helicopters went up. in the last few hours, 10 to 20

helicopters have left from right here. they have not come back. we do know david sweat was a convicted murderer because he killed law enforcement. as you are saying law enforcement is focussing in centering in. they say it will take as long as it takes. but tonight that search continues. erin. >> all right, jean from what you are hearing, do they believe this could really go down at any moment? i mean if they say on top of him, possibly eyes on being the meaning. this that's what that means? >> i think they are prepared for any moment for anything to break and to happen. they're prepared with infrared lights for this to take us after the sun sets to night. >> all right, jean thank you very much. i want to go right now to john mulligan served time at clinton correct,al. he knows richard matt john richard matt in a shootout just a couple of of hours ago was killed by police. david sweat is now still on the run. but they believe that they are "on top of him." do you believe the two men would

have been this close together? >> yeah i do. i think they would have teamed up and stayed together. kidding the considering their circumstances. >> does it surprise you richard matt went outen enin this kind of a shootout? >> no no not considering this last appeal was denied. he always expressed to me that he couldn't live like that. you know he said that if he lost his last appeal he would commit suicide and i guess this was another option for him. >> so you are not surprised. and david sweat, of course i know obviously was with richard matt. you know we understand he was in clinton correctional because he shot a law enforcement sheriff's deputy 22 times. i would imagine you think this could go down the same way? >> well i don't know david sweat. i could only speculate on that. but i do know richard matt.

i have seen david sweat. i don't know him. i have never had a conversation with him. >> all right. i appreciate your time, very much, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> and next our breaking news coverage continues. listen up team i brought in some protein

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breaking news law enforment closing in on the escaped killer david sweat on the run. after richard matt was shot and shootout with police just hours, couple hours ago. i want to go back to arthur

roderick. you have been talking to the team when they say to deborah feyerick you've been on top of him, that means you have physically seen him eyes on. >> generally, eyes on or at least talking to him. this is a very heavily wooded area. the one thing you have got to realize when marshal special operations vortac when they're trained they're trained to shoot when they have target acquisition acquisition. sweat is not trained like that. he could just spray the woods with bullets. but those highly professional teams will shoot when they have target acquisition. >> how much pressure do they feel with darkness coming. they have got flood lights. infrared helicopters. how much pressure do they fool to fiend him in the next 50 minutes or so before it is dark? >> a good question. obviously it is better to find him when you searching in light. but i know the teams also have night vision goggles, night vision scopes that they have on

the ground. and also the flare which is the forward looking infrared on the aircraft. so yes it is an advantage to catch him in day light. but, you know they will continue searching with that type of technology. >> all right, art, thank you very much. sir, thank you to all of you. our continuing coverage of the breaking news continues with "ac 360." good evening. thank you for joining us today. history was made. for generations to come what happened on this day will change the lives of millions of men and women. there are a number of stories we are following and we'll bring you over two hours. huge developments for the manhunt in new york. one, richard matt its dead shot to death by authorities. hours age the other one, cop killer david sweat on the run. authorities now saying they're "right on top of him." we're expecting a press conference from governor cuomo. th