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♪ ♪ >> thank you so much for joining me. don't forget, can you follow me on twitter if you can spell smerconish. i will see you in two weeks. have a happy fourth of july. top of the hour, i am poppy harlow in new york. we begin tonight in upstate new york in that manhunt for convicted murderer david sweat. they have set up road blocks and looking at each and every car in and out of the area and using helicopters and infrared devices and planes and you name it. a law enforcement source said there have been no sightings of sweat yet and no blood hounds
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picked up on anything either. police also say that matt who is a convicted murderer was armed with a shotgun when he came face-to-face with officers yesterday, and when he refused to drop the weapon they shot and killed him. authorities believe they stuck together while on the run and with matt dead they hope to close in on sweat. what is the sense you get, alex, from the authorities on the ground there? do they think they have sweat contained? >> reporter: the fact that they have not moved the parameter is the best indication we can get, because in the weeks we have been covering this you will see them change the area. they are calling it a hard of parameter and line of sight
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parameter in the 22 square miles. we just have seen a shift change meaning more law enforcement officers are coming in for the evening and night hours, and we will see the helicopters overnight again tonight like last night, and they can use the heat-sensing technology that could bring them closer to sweat, and this is the deeply wooded and forested area we are talking about it, and a search of it is incredibly difficult, and i spoke to the franklin county sheriff and he said finding sweat could come down to him making some kind of mistake. >> he has been on the run for three weeks and he is tired and fatigued and hungry and he will make a mistake, and once again the leads we get in from the public, and it's something like that will tip this case, and it was calls yesterday that helped to lead us to where matt was.
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>> reporter: they estimate the fugitives if they were together were moving about a mile or two a day because of the expanding parameter in the franklin county area. law enforcement authorities believe they may have been bumping up against the parameter, and they feel the pressure will be on him to stay in one place potentially. >> was this mistake that richard matt made by coughing and giving up his identity and firing a shot at a camper that led them to him, and i wonder if they were working on the assumption he was trying to car jack or why he would shoot at something in broad daylight? >> reporter: that is that a theory, why would you shoot at a moving camper. it's not something law enforcement officials are confirming that would be the motivation, and there is disconnect that the driver of
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the camper was not aware he had been shot at until he was six or seven or eight miles away so it doesn't sound in any way like richard matts approached him getting close enough to actually carry through a carjacking, but investigators have not answered the question of why he fired those shots. we might not ever have the answer, that tactical team taking richard matts down, and it was those gunshots, that shot at that rv was one of the elements that set his killing into motion. >> from the middle where that manhunt is intensifying, alex, thank you. i want to turn overseas now. people in three different parts of the world are dealing with the aftermath of three separate shocking terrorists attacks. tourists are cutting their vacation short and fleeing a popular police report one day after a man sprayed a beach with
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bullets, 16 of those killed britain citizens. >> you are always watching over your shoulder, and that's no holiday, and there is no point in staying here another week. >> will you be coming back? >> no. >> isis is claiming the shooter in tunisia was one of their own. and matt, we see the crowds behind you in protest. what is happening? >> reporter: this is a display of unity by locals outside the scene of friday's massacre, and we have seen a candlelit vigil and substantial chanting and large numbers here, a bit to
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reverse the sense of loss and fear about the future of the tourist industry in this particular town. we, ourselves today, tracked down the family home of gunman here, the one gunman here deep in the art of tunisian countryside. even murderers come to say good-bye. that's what he seemed to do here at his family home on thursday, and his uncle recalls nothing different about him, just a normal regular visit to his parents' now being questioned by the police. he is identified. he loved only studying, he says. neighbors stunned of what became of the boy that loved dance class at school. he used to love soccer, one says, always him and his father playing in front of the house. he couldn't have done it,
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another says. it's like some radicals kidnapped his mind. the owner of the coffee shop didn't want to appear on the camera, and he said he worked there and he was punctual and hard working, and he like so many others in the town, he struggled to what others say he went on to become. this says if jihad is a crime, then let the word witness me being a criminal. still, they insists here, as they let us into their home, no includes of what would follow. nothing here either, but nothing his family lived on, sharing this small room, father, mother,
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sleeping on floors, his cousin did not want her face shown. >> translator: it's a catastrophe. you never think it can happen in your own home. >> reporter: this small word from which a cold killer emerged, now public and under scrutiny and made victims of his own family, too. now an important point to make, while isis claims responsibility and contained the picture, we still don't have any official word about what militant groups he had links to, if any, and the saw suspicion points towards
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isis. >> tell me about the spirits of the tunisian people, and this attack on another tourists hot spot, there was so much hope after the error spring, and now it seems like things are crumbling around them. >> reporter: the protests behind me is for tunisia to show the bright side it might continue to have. you may be able to see behind me on the ground the candlelit vigil, a number of candles burning there, and that's the protest here, and this is a sleepy coastal resort, frankly, that never deemed it would have to debate how much armed security it would need to have to keep the tourists, and it depends on the economic life blood here, and it's facing that
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question, and we saw similar protests and there's clearly a part of society, it's nationalistic, and the violence yesterday, and the question is can that live over the random violence a group like isis is trying to perpetrate here. we see people in the streets, thousands, and that's not going to change perhaps because of a fear of many people who are debating they should come to this town as a holiday or vacation resort, and they are having second thoughts and that could damage the economic life of the people behind me. >> thank you, nic. one more note, a horrifying scene breaking out at a water park in taiwan. something catching on fire and
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explodi exploding, a flammable powder, and very disturbing scene, it happened at 8:30 at night. 470 people injured at this hour from the explosion and the ensuing fire. people used floats from the water park as makeshift stretchers to carry victims to ambulances. it's the worst mass injury ever in his city. coming up next, the desperate search for a very dangerous man. is there any chance david sweat will surrender? we will talk about that next. ♪ introducing the samsung galaxy s6 active only from at&t. tested to withstand pretty much anything life throws your way.
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it has been more than three weeks now since the two inmates pulled off an escape in new york, and one of them is dead and one still on the run and authorities are hopeful they are closing in on him. matthew horace is here, former atf executive, and a former navy s.e.a.l. also with me. when we talk about the hunt for david sweat, a local sheriff saying he is alone and desperate and exhausted and fatigued and hungry and he just needs to make a mistake. how hopeful are you they are going to get him? >> i think we are both very hopeful and i think the biggest mistake was the fact they left that cabin, and the second biggest mistake is for whatever reason matt decided to shoot at this car, pinpointing where they were at and leading officers for
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the first time directly to them. >> what do you do with the working theory, they were together, that's what the authorities believe until yesterday when matt was killed and now no scent trail or eyes on him, and are they working on the right theory they were together? >> i think they are absolutely working on the right theory, and they are following the leads, and they would not be putting these resources into the event at this rate if they did not have good information. >> we were sitting here last saturday when the search focussed on 300 miles away. is it odd to you that there is no scent trial? >> not odd because a lot of things could impact whether dogs can pick up a scent, and it could be environmental and weather and wind, and after what happened yesterday we know the investigators had been going down the right path over the last several weeks and hopefully that path will hopefully take us to sweat. >> take us into the mind of
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somebody in the situation that just lost his partner -- assuming he knows he lost his partner in crime, somebody who clearly it seems did not have a plan b, when joyce did not stop to pick them up, seems like they did not have a plan b because they were within miles of where the prison was. >> in order for people to understand what this guy is facing right now, and let's take what we were discussing a second ago. i went to gym and had a hard workout and now i am sitting here knowing i will have sore legs tomorrow, and if you took me and put me in the woods, my problems are not that big and it's just surviving, and this guy has been on the run for over two weeks, 1,100 officers looking for him in an area where he has no food, no water, and the weather is deteriorating quickly. his stress level versus a normal person sitting on their couch watching tv right now is so high, on top of that he has 1,100 men hunting him, so he is
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desperate right now. >> when you look at somebody who has nothing to lose, right, this is a guy, david sweat, he was in prison for life, and if he gets back to prison he will be there under worse circumstances, i am sure none of the privileges he was afforded before hand, and this is somebody who doesn't go back to prison, who dies rather than get arrested again? >> from a law enforcement perspective, we don't care. >> don't you want the information from him? >> what we don't want to happen is for him to hurt somebody else or a law enforcement officer. our information is that he may be armed and we have the best of the best, the u.s. marshal and the fbi and the tactical team taking their time to hunt down mr. sweat. >> talk to me how your mind frame changes if you are on the ground searching for him knowing
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his accomplice in all of this was armed? >> one thing we talk greatly about and we rehash over and over again, when it comes to tactical movements, violence of action, that's the first thing, in other words, it's controlled aggression. we are constantly looking at hands. this area is so thick, as you walk through, you may end up walking up on him and he is this close. you immediately have to look at hands. you don't have time to look at his whole body. you want to concentrate on the hands and that's where a threat is where a weapon will be held, and if there is a weapon, if he is armed, you don't have time to wait and talk him out of it, if he pulls a weapon up it's a bad day for him. >> what does it mean for joyce mitchell in prison awaiting trial for allegedly helping these guys break out of prison, what does it mean for her whether or not he is killed or whether or not he is caught alive and could possibly testify against her?
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>> you can look at it both ways. number one, if he is caught alive he has no incentive to talk to police. he was in for life before and he is in for life now, and she has to be concerned, very concerned that we catch him alive and he turns on her or other people involved with the correctional facility. >> because they can make his life in prison even worse, they can do that. >> he is not going back to clinton, he is going back to a much more dire straits this time. >> thank you very much and we will continue to follow this, and it was a broken moment last night finding out matt was shot and killed by police. turning to politics, donald trump getting strong support in the latest polls after announcing his run for the highest office in the land. also, why jeb bush may want to keep a close eye on his newest competition.
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and trump will be the guests on "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow morning. the supreme court ruling has been quick from both sides. president obama remarked how quick we have seen changes in the country, and the timeline included a personal change for this president. >> at a certain point i just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think that same-sex couples should be able to get married. >> do you remember that moment, an interview with robin roberts on "good morning america" back in 2012 the first time we heard the president vocaling support same-sex marriage, and then we heard him yesterday after the high court handed down its ruling. we have more on the political reaction on both sides. >> poppy, we have seen at
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several gatherings, some promising to push for a constitutional amendment to band gay marriage. here is ted cruz in iowa today. >> for those that say that decision yesterday was the law of the land, it's fundamentally ill legitimate and wrong and it's not the constitution. >> and others are against any amendment to the constitution, and meanwhile mike huckabee was thought about what he thought of the white house being lit up in gay pride colors last night and he took a swipe at obama, and in 2008 obama was against same-sex marriage and 2012 he came out for it. >> if he so radically changed his view and now he believes
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that same-sex marriage is the best thing that could happen to this country, one of three things is true. he was either lying 2008, he is lying now, or god rewrote the bible and obama is the only one that not the new edition, and i don't think that's what happened. >> hillary clinton had her own evolution on the issue, and she called for republicans to drop it as a talking point. >> i am asking them, please, don't make the rights, the hopes of any american into a political football for this 2016 campaign. lbgt americans should be free, not just to marry, but to live, learn and work just like everybody else.
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>> the democrats, of course, will continue using this ruling to rally their supporters, and for republicans it's a delicate dance, and they are trying to remain appealing in the eyes of the conservative voters, and also needing to appeal to a broader group of voters, especially the younger voters that believe same-sex marriage should be legal. and then the homes of americans, the pulpits of our nations churches, and that includes the church in maryland. earlier i had a chance to speak to the pastor and found you are of the church that does not agree with the decision but offered this to those that do. >> congratulations to those that are celebrating something new and progressive for them. of course, as a spiritual leader of a church, there is always
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different opinions, right? so when it comes to legality, that's different than morality. >> let's talk about one of the things you wrote, you wrote love is the highest christian value, and all of us are called to it regardless of our politics. >> absolutely. >> what did you mean with that? do you agree with the decision? >> well, love is the highest christian value regardless of one's color, class, culture or gender, right? we want to make sure that we stay at that level beyond the smaller disagreements that we might have. even moral disagreements that we have or biblical disagreements we have, you have to have grace and truth and the number one value is love. so how do we love people that may have a different opinion or view of our ma tal tea. you have to start with the way jesus did it, he serves them, he loves them and opens his arms to
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everybody. >> will you be marrying gay couples? >> that, i won't do because that violates the skreupchures, and i met with governor o'malley right before it went legal in maryland, and i said, just make sure that i am protected, and that religious freedoms are protected and he did, so i am okay with that. >> we are hearing from some that oppose this vehemently, and so many support it, too, and some that oppose it are pushing for the only thing that could change it state by state, which is a constitutional amendment to put the power back in the state's hands. are you somebody that wants to see that, or are you saying this is the law of the land now and i am not agreeing with it. >> because there is a difference between morality and legality, i wouldn't say let's legislation morality. guess what, you used to have to kill people b
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