old glory and happy almost july 4th to all the americans watching. tune in next week when we'll air my latest special "blindsided, how isis shook the world." thanks for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i am brian stelter in new york. there is breaking news from florida. minutes ago an unmanned spacex rocket launching on a resupply mission exploded upon liftoff. here is the video. >> on course. on track. >> on the nasa tv broadcast and on this web stream there is no speaking as the announcer and everyone else tries to process

what had just happened. as i said before this is an unmanned mission. you'll hear now the announcer speak for the first time. >> and we appear to have had a launch vehicle failure. >> there is little elt we know at this point. as the engineers try to find out what has happened. elon musk the ceo of spacex tweeted the following. he says falcon 9 experienced a problem shortly before first stage shutdown. we'll provide more info as soon as we review the data. let's get to miles o'brien on the phone. miles, you have seen a video along with the rest of us. what do you see from it? what do you take away from it as an expert? >> clearly it's a catastrophic failure as they were about to jettison the first stage. you have to remember that everything that is happening in a rocket at a time is at the very edge of what we consider

engineering capabilities. it doesn't take much of a weak link to cause what you saw just there. incredible dynamic forces a lot of speed, and a lot of pressure on the structure itself. and there will be plenty of information on the ground right now indicating what the possible failures might be. a rocket has a huge amount of telemetry, data coming down to the ground as it rises to orbit. and so i'm sure they'll be able to figure this out pretty quickly but it's a big setback for the international space station program for sure. >> perhaps for spacex as well. talking to cnn's rachel crane over email. she has been studying and covering the spacex missions for a long time as have you, miles. she pointed out to me. spacex has a perfect record on these cargo missions until today. >> this is their seventh official supply mission.

actually eighth flight to the station. they had a test run. the first failure. they've had minor problems along the way. but basically a flawless campaign to the international space station. it's been an extraordinary run, frankly, given that this was a brand-new rocket design built by spacex. elon musk the ceo almost entirely all the parts and supplies and design done in one factory in southern california. it's been an extraordinary campaign and an extraordinary run, and getting to space is not easy. frankly, a lot of us are surprised that they got this far without a serious failure. >> the most remarkable thing i've seen in the past few minutes as people process this terrible moment thankfully an unmanned mission but a very sad piece of video to see. was a tweet from scott kelly one of the astronauts who is on board the international space station. he said earlier this morning

that he was watching this liftoff from the space station and then after this happened he followed up and wrote, it sadly failed. space is hard he wrote. three simple words that express exactly what you're saying miles, that we sometimes take for granted just how hard this can be. >> we do tend to take it for granted. and especially when you have had a run of seven or eight successful launches, you think you've got this thing licked. but it is unforgiving of even the smallest mistake, the smallest failure point. scott kelly is in the midst of a one-year flight on the international space station to test a lot of things about endurance in space which will put nasa in the position it hopes someday to send people to mars. the concern, of course immediately is are there enough supplies up there for them. nasa assures us things would not become critical until as late as september and there are additional flights in between now and then including a new

russian progress flight that is going up the latter part of this week. so we'll be definitely holding our breath during that launch. >> in other words, this is not something that is going to create problems for the space station in the short term. you're saying that this is not something where the supplies needed to arrive this week. >> yeah. they build a lot of contingency in because what happened today is something that everybody expects will happen eventually frankly, it being rocket science. so there is a tremendous amount of backup supplies and capability on the station so they don't have to get on the soyuz rockets and abandon ship by any stretch. so there is capability there. we don't have to worry about the crew at the moment. we do have to spend some time figuring out what happened. spacex won't be flying for a little while while they figure this out. there are still other ways to

get to the space station. >> the rocket carrying over two tons of cargo including a new piece of hardware for the space station so future space taxis could dock with the space station. tell us about that. >> there was a docking ring they were going to attach to make it easier to attach more vehicles to the station. again, that's not going to -- it's not a life or death situation. it's about making it easier. sort of an air traffic control problem. place the taxi and keep the aircraft to come visit. they'll have to build a new docking ring and put it on a future mission. that plan will be delayed somewhat but not critical to the health and well-being of the crew. it's just not -- it's not easy getting supplies to and from the space station, never has been. and up to this point spacex and elon musk has had an extraordinary run. >> miles, stay with me for a moment if you can. i'll bryning in rachel crane as

well. you were watching when this happened. you wrote on twitter. let's hope the third time is the charm here. tell me about your hopes going into this mission and what you see now. >> right. like you mentioned, i brian, i was schedued to have a phone interview with elon right after what they hoped would be a successful barge landing of the first stage of the rocket. everybody was eagerly awaiting not just the resupply mission but also the experimental landing on the barge which would have been their third attempt. now that is an effort to try to reuse this first stage of the rocket. the primary mission was the cargo reply mission but also the cherry on top was the third attempt of landing the first stage of the rocket on the ship in the middle of the atlantic to try and push forth the reusability of these rockets. >> when you see video like this rachel you must imagine what elon musk is thinking and what the engineers are thinking. what questions do we need to be

asking them in the hours ahead? >> you know i also should point out that today is elon musk's birthday. so really his heart must just be dropping right now. the question we should be asking is when will the astronauts get their additional supplies when the next cargo mission will be. also what was the reason for this explosion. we do not know now. like miles pointed out, there are all kinds of data and vie to be scrunched immediately to try to figure out whavs thet was the root of this explosion. hopefully we'll have that information in the next several hours and be able to better understand what exactly went wrong here and what the anomaly was. >> nasa saying they will hold a press conference today. cnn will cover this all day long. rachel and miles thank you for being here. in a moment we'll turn to "reliable sources" on a historic week for gay marriage in the u.s. was the media part of the story,

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welcome back to "reliable sources." at the end of this historic week historic for race relations and for the gay rights movement consider how media sources change and shape society's views about equality. think about how news stories, sitcomes and stories help us see and hear each other. think about art exhibits and tweets and snap chats and the faces we choose to put on the air sometimes change people's hearts and mind. media can divide and hurt us. but media can also help us see each other. see each other as equal. and help us process societal change. on wednesday cartoonist bob englehart captured it well by capturing the day the flag came down. then it was reappropriated with

rainbow flags. we have guests standing by to cover the angles. we want to begin with how personal this is. in 2012 sam champion became the first host of a network morning show to come out, to talk openly about being gay and getting married. his husband reuben is an artist in miami. gentlemen, thank you for being here. what do you think about when you think about where we are now with the supreme court versus where we've been decades in the past? >> when marriage and the ability to proclaim your love and share your love with your family and friends and your community, when that was something that was state by state and not available everywhere you just didn't feel solid in it. and there was still kind of the feeling that was left for approval you know which shouldn't be. i almost feel like we have been

lucky. we are very independent, strong people with a strong family and a sense of community. but there are a lot of people in this country who haven't been able to say who they are and who they love and feel that they were safe in this country. and i hope that changes today. >> at the time you all met and got engaged you were still on "good morning america." >> true. >> you had to carefully plan how you were going to be open about this. >> i think that was more of a respect for the network and not something that we truly cared very much about. >> get to this issue of how comfortable viewers might be. and the broader issue of how television has in some ways helped lead the country to the point we are at now. >> tv always eases the path for change. what people watch in their homes, what they're comfortable with in their homes leads the way for acceptance in this country. i think it always has. >> has there ever been a time in your career where you felt you couldn't be open about your sexuality? >> sure.

but most of the times i always felt like it didn't matter, and it shouldn't matter. i didn't want it to become part of the conversation. for me -- brian, you understand in this business the way you want to be judged and gauged is on your ability and in some ways on your performance. your ability to gather information, your ability to deliver information. your ability to create quality information and your performance of that. i didn't want something that could be a negative detraction to limit my opportunities in the business that i loved. >> what were times in the business sam, where you felt maybe people were not quite as accepting as they are now? >> well i think -- i have been in the business a long time brian. by many i guess most accounts more than 30 years. america is different. time is different. tv is different. communities in general are different in what they're accepting of. there weren't gay faces on television when i started. >> there were, but maybe not openly gay. >> that's interesting.

i think that's probably true. i mean i'm sure it's true. but because it wasn't open there wasn't anyone you could point to and say, look i aspire to talk about my personal life or have an open personal life because fred angie does it. you know what i mean? >> that's why it was news worthy when you shared your engagement and marriage on television. >> we came to understand that. at first, again, just kind of selfishly and boldly we thought, this is our life and we're going to have our life. it was something that we really started to understand once people started talking to us. >> when we got the feedback from people that met us at the airports on the street and congratulate us when you have that feedback it's fantastic because you feel that people feel related with you and they feel -- and they feel good for you because you maybe have a chance to express yourself the way they don't. >> not to be negative. wonder if there was ever a time where you felt like your

sexuality hurt your career in some way or you felt prejudiced against in some way. >> oh many times. i think, in this business there are people who will judge you for anything they'll get a chance to judge you on. you know what i mean? >> so i don't feel special for the fact that i was judged because, when i got to new york anyway at wabc i was openly gay in the shop at wabc. i didn't talk about my personal life to the press. >> you talked about how it was an open secret at work. is it right for the press to withhold that information? when i was working on my book about morning tv i knew you were gay and had a boyfriend and before you were engaged knew it but never reported it or shared it. journalists don't generally try to out people until they've spoken publicly about it. >> there can be negative attention for being gay. we hear about the suicides and the teasing and bullying. there is a not of communal and

societal negativity. someone has to be strong enough to handle their life their family their friends before they come out. i don't think we do people a service to push them out until they're ready to handle what can be a negative situation for them. at the same time i get when people say we need role models so we need people who aren't openly gay to come out and say who they are. >> thank you both for being here. >> awesome to see you. >> thank you. >> thanks. now i want to bring in someone who not only witnessed coverage of the gay rights movement from the beginning but who was a part of it. look at this new york daily news story headlined homo nest raided. queen bees stinging mad, the day after the 1969 protest at the stone wall inn. this cover announcing yesterday the supreme court ruling. u.s. gay it says equal dignity in the eyes of the law. author of several books is here with me on the set. richard, thanks for being here.

>> pleasure. >> when you see the 1969 headline what comes to your mind? >> the entire media were very hostile to gay people in the '60s and before then. in 1963 the new york times ran an article. inside it says problem is thought to be medical. their theater critic criticized tennessee williams and other play wrights for writing misogynistic views of women. the entire media were anti-gay. the so-called bias of the media is the bias of society. the biases of society have changed so the media's coverage has changed. >> you've seen the media respond to a changing culture. >> that's right. >> the idea is cheerleading for gay rights you take a longer view of this. >> if conservatives want to change the media point of view they have to change society. >> when did progress start? your office overlooked the stone

wall inn, the beginning of the gay rights movement. at the village voice, a pro-gay institution there was still hostility. >> we hired gay people during the mccarthy years to write. we were pro-gay as an institution but individual reporters could be homophobic and they would be in the paper. we did have coverage. we gave it front-page coverage. but some of it was very homophobic and we were zapped by activists. >> what does that mean? >> means you invidade the office in sit in. we did it to times, harper's magazine. the voice. my own paper was zapped. >> at the time of stonewall you were married to a woman. >> yes. >> when did that change? early '70s. within a few years -- >> you began to feel comfortable enough -- >> the movement allowed me to access my deepest feelings.

it wasn't a question of comfort. it was a question of self-knowledge. social activism can produce self-knowledge and self-awareness. it isn't just that you're comfortable. it's that you discover your self through politics. that's what i learned from the gay movement. >> we saw a lot of hostility in the press toward what we now know as the gay rights movement. >> society was in transition. it was the work of thousands of individuals, tens of thousands, coming out in every profession so that everyone had to say look this is my colleague. all of a sudden my colleague is gay. this is what actually changed the media and changed the rest of society. >> did you think you would see what happened on friday at the supreme court? >> no of course not. i was married two years ago in vermont to a man, the second marriage for me. by the justice of the peace on her lawn. and i thought, this would never happen ever ever. i was going to be satisfied just with knowing myself and with

struggling against the most blatant kind of biases. it was a crime to serve a drink to a homosexual in new york city. the "times" would not use the word gay. we had to zap them. they said. not in my newspaper. >> young people assumed it was inevitable. you thought it would never happen. what a revealing point about the differences in public opinion. >> it shows you every struggle against oppression is worth waging because the future is really yours to shape. >> thank you. we'll continue on this theme of news outlets and whether this is cheerleading or whether there has been oppression over the years. i talk about that with two guests after this break. [cat meows] [laughs] ♪meow, meow, meow, meow...♪ ♪meow, meow, meow, meow...♪ it's more than just a meal it's meow mix mealtime.

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welcome back. the white house and social media all lit up in rainbow colors on friday. this image posted all over

facebook and twitter. and a wide array of digital news outlets all added rainbows to their logos in the wake of the supreme court ruling. this raises an important journalistic question. did news outlets abandon their usually objectivity on the equal rights issue and is it defendable? joining me is chris geidner one of the leading writers on the issue for years. thanks for being here. >> morning, brian. >> traffic up on buzz feed 300% for lgbt related content on friday. a lot thanks to your articles. you were at the supreme court. as a reporter who is openly gay and known for covering these stories, was it possible for you to be objective on this? >> yeah, i think. i think it's been something that i've been covering as you said for really almost more than a decade since i started my blog back in 2003 around lawrence v-

texas. this is something that if anything the fact that i'm gay has made me more critical of covering this story because i am interested in knowing what the motivations are of people on every side of the issue. and that includes some real in-depth looks at what lgbt organizations are doing and being willing and able to look critically at sort of what their motives are at times. >> you've been asking the question i just asked. can come across as offensive. because i've seen it raised time and time again, objectivity. buzzfeed has a position in favor of marriage equality. do you think that's a more honest transparent way to go about reporting the news. >> our editorial position in support of marriage equality and in support of lgbt rights is not much different from "the new york times," the "washington post." last night i retweeted somebody

who had tweeted both of their front pages on saturday morning. and in terms of branding and their decision about the coverage, i would say it was very similar to the coverage at buzzfeed although i would say ours was better. >> that's very interesting. you think about the -- all of the debate that we've seen, all of the conversation about this about whether there are two equal sides. i think i hear you saying there are two sides but they shouldn't be equally balanced. >> i have spent time interviewing everybody who has been involved on the side opposing same-sex couples marriage rights. i sat down with brian brown, the head of the national organization on the eve of the 2012 election when they for the first time lost state ballot initiatives. and had the most extensive interview with him because he was aware of my work he knew where i was coming from. before i was at buzzfeed i was

at "metro weekly," the lgbt magazine in d.c. my coverage was the same there. nobody doubted what the editorial position of the magazine was. >> the split between digital news outlets that put up the flag on friday and older, more mainline outlets, it's an appealing difference. part of it is about appealing to young people and part is reflecting where the country is growing. thank you for being here. joining me as well someone with a different point of view. a senior reporter at the federalist. molly. i think you don't agree with me that the media outlet putting up the flags are trying to appeal to young people. >> i think the media moved to celebration before they read the decision much less read the dissents and understood the significance of the decision and how it will affect culture war issues moving forward. you didn't see the media cheerleading when religious

liberty, hobby lobby was handed down or free speech rights when citizens united was handed down. there was no question celebration was going on with this decision. that's not journalistic objectivity. >> what would you like to see more of in the coverage? more voices in opposition? >> it's not just what happened on friday. this has gone back decades. we have seen the media push the issue. it made sense they were celebrating because they were very much activists on this issue. we never saw good coverage of the arguments for retaining natural marriage we never saw enough of that. we never saw fair debates. and so it's not surprising that there would be celebration given how much the media had invested in this particular issue. >> do you think it's partly because journalists, especially in places like new york los angeles and d.c. are more likely to know people who are gay who benefit from this ruling? >> studies have shown the media have been biased on this issue going back decades and are certainly out of touch with the

concerns of americans outside of their bubbles in new york and l.a. and d.c. we have seen so many good reporters like chris geidner covering this topic and focusing on lgbt rights. we don't see reporters focusing on religion news or covering religious liberty questions. we don't see people covering even marriage in general and the decline of marriage over the past few decades. you can see where the media's cards are on this topic. >> yet do you feel it's a risk for outlets like yours to seem out of touch, a phrase you just used. out of touch. >> we're not out of touch. i think the media are more out of touch than they realize. they have their fingers on the pulse of the elite. they're aligned with hollywood and cultural elites but they don't cover a lot of the people who are reading the actual news. we have people from all sides of the topic looking at all the things you don't think about, about how nuanced and foundational marriage is to

society. it's not being out of touch. >> molly, thank you for being here. busy morning. up next president obama dropping the n-word on a podcast. tv and cable channels didn't know whether to bleep it or not. we talk about that with dr. cornel west right after this.

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welcome back. this was a huge week for president obama on many fronts ultimately it may be remembered most as the week he wept there on race. in charleston on friday delivering a eulogy for reverend clementa pinckney, killed in the vicious attack at the emanuel ame attack. and days earlier in a podcast interview. using a word we're not accustomed from the president. activist and author cornel west is the perfect person to talk with about this. we begin by looking at by how the tv networks were stymied by

a system question. to bleep or not to bleep. >> racism we are not cured of. clearly. it's not just a matter of -- it not being polite to say nigger in public. to say [ bleep ]. >> polite to say nigger in public. to say nigger in public. it night being polite to say nigger in public that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. >> there is something so strange about the bleeping of the word. in all of the clips only i think cnn and cbs decided to air it unbleeped. >> the problem is you've got the long history of denial of coming to terms with the vicious legacy of white supremacy. >> when it's bleeped that's denial? >> yes. denial even when he says it. he have to come to terms about what he's talking about. what does it mean to say nigger. what does it mean to keep black

people thinking we're less intelligent and beautiful. it was to make sure our minds still have slave mentalities. when we reach the point, my dear brother, and understand the matter of white supremacy is a matter of national security and a condition of truth and it's a matter of justice, justice relates to a variety of different issues. racism of course is the one issue that can do what? bring the curtain down on america. should have been talking about it for seven years. i'm glad that the president now is beginning to speak about it much more consistently. >> he certainly instigated a lot of discussion this week. yet, a lot of it was about the word. did you feel that the larger meaning got lost? >> in a way it did, but in a certain sense too, once you start talking about the flags and recognize it's not just a matter of region you have good brothers and sisters of various colors in the south, west midwest, east. but the legacy of white supremacy is systemic. now, the president said a few

months ago in regard to ferguson. racism is not inendemic. that's a lie. political calculation. he is afraid of fox news and right wings. he thinks they're going to attack him. they're going to attack you anyway. stand for truth and justice. >> you say perhaps he gave too much attention to fox news. >> he is a politician. he needs to stand up out of moral conviction. they didn't sing for nothing. donnie hathaway didn't move our souls for nothing. they were talking about truth, justice and how we relate to each other as human beings. >> can i play a sound bite from to years ago? i was struck by this. president clinton in 1995 speaking at a congressional black caucus dinner. >> in every country forces of extremism have a stronger voice than they have had in years. you see it in a bomb blowing up the federal building in oklahoma city. and you see it in more subtle

ways. yes, even in america, like when five children in an upper-class suburb in this country write the hated word "nigger" in code word in their school albums. >> now, we checked. that got so much less attention 20 years ago than the president saying the same word did this week. is it because of a different kind of media we have now? a social and digital media, or is it because the president is black or are there other reasons? >> part of it is that obama, of course being a brilliant and charismatic black president in the liberal mode and the fact that you have a social movement on the ground you have courageous and visionary, marvelously militant young people. ferguson. staten island. in the context of the emerging social movement. then you get a black president saying it. you are going to get a lot of attention. as you rightly say, it's not just about the word.

it's about how does it get us to come to terms with the truth about america. founded on white supremacy, indigenous peoples' land taken. era with babies and women violated. enslaved africans for over 80 years. unbelievable terrorism and torture. out of that what have black folk done? we talked in the face of hate how better to love. look at the response of the people who were murdered. teach people will love. love sue preme. you have to listen to the love. love is not just proclaimed. it has to be enacted. >> there was so much talk about forgiveness. in the immediate days after the massacre in charleston. more conversation about forgiveness than i think we might have heard if they had had white skin. >> i think the problem of talking to forgiveness too early is that it still makes white

folks the major point of reference. it was love of black people as the basis of love of others the greatness of black people have been that we've refused to hate in the face of hate. one said i don't have a minute to hate. i will pursue justice all my life. she didn't say i forgive prematurely. once you talk about forgiveness you talk about the white folks who did it so you make white folk center stage again. there is a love that flows to the vanilla side of town begins on the chocolate side of town. that's what was coming through in those witnesses. i believe forgiveness is a long process. it's not an utterance. somebody rape your mother you don't for give them the next day. you have to work that through. the important thing is you don't hate. you just contribute to more hate. >> sounds like you're no the ready to declare mission accomplished. >> never. we've got a long way to go. got to keep smiles on our faces

and love in our hearts but also be willing to fight. we forgive, yes, but we also fight my brother. we love justice warriors. >> do you see enough folks on television fighting? enough people on cable news making the points you're making or is it too marginalized? >> it's too marginalized. ms nbc is obama propaganda. fox news right wing propaganda. cnn better able to wrestle with insights. still cnn fearful because you have to deal with the profit margin. you have to deal with making money. >> conversations like this rate. how are you saying it's about profit margin that that's a risk for cnn, for example. >> how many conversations do you have like this on cnn? you know what i mean. >> we're coming off the week with almost nonstop discussion of race and other issues. >> discussions about black people and black faces. i'm talking about telling the truth. truth is not connected to skin

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interesting because there was a lot of uncertainty earlier this month when murdoch said he'd be handing over 21st century fox to his sons. it will be making sure no fox news wannabe had a chance to hire ailes. here's michael wolf author of the new book "television is the new television." is it a surprise that ailes has an iron-enclosed three-year deal? >> it's not a surprise at all. what would you do if the most talented man in television news, perhaps in the history of television news was working for you. you would do anything possible. >> you would pay any price. and the most significant detail is that ailes will be reporting

to rupurt murdoch. >> that's a fig leaf for the sons and their new jobs. and even the sons and their new jobs even though the sons now theoretically run the company, their father continues to run everything. i think in a word, nothing changes. >> and ailes wins and that's the key. >> ailes always wins. >> there was a column this week about nbc and brian williams. you mentioned he was consulted about how to bring brian williams back. >> i can tell you very little. this was in confidence at high levels. >> but that -- >> i think -- you know what ailes has done when his people, his anchors are the outside

world demands this that, the other thing. they've told lies. they've done this. ailes famously stands by them. so i think nbc which realized that it has handled the brian williams situation just ter whether i, a classic botch job in crisis management. so they went to the guy in their business that handled it right. >> did they do the right thing by having williams come back as a breaking news anchor on msnbc? >> well, i think they did the right thing for them. the point i made in my column is that msnbc is much more important to nbc news than the nightly news. >> it makes a lot more money. all of these conversations about television bring up your book. you talk about the rosy predictions about facebook and

netflix and buzzfeed and how it's unsexy media old television that's the killer app in digital. >> murdoch said this past week television is the killer app. i think it's a remarkable story and it's partly about digital media's relentless boosterism of its own self. that digital media is taking over the world, digital media is where everyone wants to go. the truth is digital media doesn't make any money. people continue to watch more television than they consume digital media, more television than ever before. and to boot virtually everybody in digital media wants to figure out how to move their business into television. >> we heard that buzzfeed is looking for ways to get into tv. >> and the huff too.

that is the thing. in every digital office they sit there and they say, how can we move into television, because video gets higher rates for advertising and actually people watch it. >> one of the main points was how print newspaper executives made a lot of mistakes when handling digital that television executives learned from and did not make. they're in a healthier position as a result. >> i don't think it crossed their minds that they would not charge for their content. that is the rule of television. nothing is free. and it not only saved them but has created an industry that continues to grow and to be right at the center of american culture. >> tv is the new tv. thanks for being here this morning. >> thanks. >> i'll be right back with more reliable sources in just a moment. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel.

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