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washington state, stay safe please. thanks for being with us. make sure to follow me on twitter, also at the lead cnn. check out our show page for videos and extras you can follow me on facebook. that's it for the lead i'm turning you over to one mr. wolf blitzer, he's in a place, it's a room and it's the situation room. thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news fourth of july fear u.s. terror officials are now set to be very worried about a possible attack over the upcoming holiday weekend. and they're tracking a growing number of isis sympathizers here in the united states. have they missed one who may be ready to strike? >> terrorist showdown two sworn enemies of the u.s. now turn their sights on each other. with a cleric in iraq making a direct threat against the leader of isis. is it setting the stage for a new sectarian war? out of control, a massive wildfire fueled by triple digit temperatures blackening
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thousands of acres in washington state, dozens of homes already have been destroyed. can crews get the upper hand before entire communities are wiped out? i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the situation room. we're following the breaking news growing concern of a terrorist attack inside the united states in the coming days. sources are telling cnn the apprehension is greater than in recent years, in part because of the growing number of isis sympathizers inside the united states. that has local and federal law enforcement dramatically increasing security as july 4th approaches. recovering all items of the breaking news this hour with our correspondents and guests including the former pentagon intelligence chief michael vickers. let's begin with our justice reporter. what are your sources telling you? >> wolf we're hearing from u.s. law enforcement officials that they're boosting security measures ahead of the fourth of july holiday, more police are
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being deployed to prominent locations. because they're concerned about possible attacks by isis recruits here in america. the police department tells us it is increasing counter terrorism, and security measures this weekend, compared to past years and that includes radiation detection units and dogs. the los angeles police department tells me it's doing heavy deployment this weekend since the start of the year the u.s. authorities have charged at least 49 people for supporting isis and that doesn't include three people who have been killed in actually trying to carry out attacks. >> are they aware of any specific plots? >> the homeland security council is careful to say they don't know of any specific plots to this weekend. one of the concerns is that the hundreds of people they have that they're monitoring they have under investigation around the country they possibly could be missing one, they could possibly be one like happened in garland texas, they weren't
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aware was ready to carry out an attack. >> bottom line all of a sudden in a statement that we all thought was a routine statement, jay johnson all of a sudden mentions get ready for jump 4th no specific plots. just out of an abundance of caution, we're going to be watching what's going on. there have been increasing statements since then that -- the director from the fbi, the director from the department of homeland security all of a sudden mentioning july 4th that raises concerns. >> absolutely and some of this is coming from the intelligence that they've been picking up for weeks i've been told and we've been aware that they were watching a number of these things they were trying to arrest a number of these people before we get to this weekend. this is not going to end this weekend, either. because they are aware of chatter, of threats that could go on beyond that including the upcoming visit by pope francis in september. >> and the notion that we're in the middle of ramadan, and that's a point that the leader of isis has said that's a good
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time to attack? >> exactly. and not oath that there's a bunch of these draw prophet mohammed contests across the cun. it's like a reason an excuse to activate one of these people. >> we're going to get back to you. amid this fear of an imminent attack by an isis sympathizer in the united states. the obama strategy to fight terrorists on their own turf. that seems to be falling shockingly short. let's go to our chief national security correspondent jim sciuto working this part of the story for us. >> one year after the announcement to train and equip modern security officials, they have no interest in taking on isis at all. but instead, want to fight the regime of barber al assad, this from a senior military official.
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the add men stragts's goal of training 3 to 5,000 rebels per year for three years is not being met. >> moderate syrian rebels taking on isis on the battlefield. key part of the strategy to defeat the islamic state, it's a fight seen far too seldom in syria. the u.s. program to train thousands of fighters to battle isis is woefully behind schedule. the administration's original goal in the 500$500 million program was to train 3 to 5,000 rebels per year over three years, the first 3,000 by the end of 2015. to date fewer than 100 have actually been trained. adding to the shortfall military officials tell cnn a large group of recruits recently quit. and others have quit or been removed due to a range of shortcomings due to being underage to physically unfit. >> some of them don't have the
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capabilities to fight. some of them are con defendanted in terms of where their loyalties actually are. some of them can't be vetted. some of them have physical disabilities. it's just very difficult to go into a country where you don't have a lot of elements to vet these individuals. >> the pentagon says the focus is on quality over quantity. defense secretary ashton carter recently acknowledged the difficulty of building a capable fighting force in a country with no u.s. military presence on the ground. >> we're trying to recruit and identify people that can be counted on to fight, to be aligned with groups like isil on the one hand on the other hand work toward our goals. our goals being for them to fight isil. it tushs s turns out to be very hard for them to identify people who meet those criteria.
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>> the u.s. led effort faces its own delays and obstacles. iraqi forces have now been held to a stalemateealalemate and rounded in ramadi even as they outnumbered isis fighters and backed by a u.s. led air campaign. military officials say the pentagon has not given up on the syrian rebels training program, they add there's been no shortage of volunteers including more than 1,000 more volunteers signing up in just the last ten days the key problem is those volunteers are either not fit to fight or don't want to fight the fight the u.s. wants. they want to go after assad, they don't want to go after isis and that's where we're left today. fewer than 100 in this $500 million program. >> it's been going on for a long time. pretty shocking number. thanks very much jim sciuto. let's talk about this for the former undersecretary of defense
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defense. thanks for joining us. what do you make of the evan perez report that authorities are now deeply concerned looking ahead to the july 4th that u.s. intelligence law enforcement authorities may have lost track here in the united states of some alleged isis sympathizers. >> well we've had a number arrested in the past month, and several over the past year isil has had a lot of success at radicalization. there could be more out there, and i think there's some reasons to be concerned over what is the normal warning, in this case it may not be as normal isil has issued a call of arms for ramadan, we're right in the middle of that for success and radicalization and the symbolism attracted with the national holiday. >> the isis leader that if you die in a suicide attack during the holy month of ramadan, the rewards in heaven will be much
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greater. is that right? >> it that's correct. their ability to reach out to those who will self-radicalize as well as sending operatives in as they do in some cases or aligning with groups as they've done in north africa. you. >> heard a man you know former acting cia director you work closely with him. he would not be surprised if we're sitting here a week from today talking about a terror attack in the u.s. homeland during the july 4th weekend. would you be surprised? >> i would not be surprised. i certainly hope that doesn't happen. >> is there anything specific that you've heard about that as a result of these higher warnings that are going out there from jeh johnson, the fbi director, these directives that are going out, they always go out during high events like this they seem to be more intens this time. >> i think they are, i don't think there's anything specific. you had the three attacks in
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three different areas on friday. and then you've had the effort too reach out to a number of individuals in the united states. and our fbi and state and local law enforcement has been effective in disrupting that. the let is high. >> you're talking about the terror attack in kuwait tunisia and france? >> that's right. killed a lot of people individual terrorists who go out there, were those related in anyway or just people reacting to this call on social media? >> in one case it may be reacting. in two other cases, tunisia and kuwait they may be related. >> on the basis of what? >> that isil has claimed credit and the associations the individuals may have with groups or association with syria. >> the big concern here in the united states is what they call a lone wolf right? >> that's right, someone who has inspired and it's relatively easy to get an assault weapon or whatever and go out there and kill people? >> that's the big danger here it's less although you have to worry about sending operatives
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here, it's more the lone wolf. >> how do you deal with that? >> i mean it almost sounds some -- obviously sick individual sitting in a basement reading all the tweets getting all that social media, being inspired thinking he's going to wind up in heaven and going out there, getting a weapon and starting to kill people so many soft targets as you know. >> if they're not a lone wolf if they're connected to anybody else, that gives us an opportunity. if they make other mistakes. it is a difficult target. >> we've had 30 or 40 arrests in recent weeks of isis sympathizers here in the united states. i suspect that number's going to go up? >> yes, some wanted to travel to syria and join isil but that's right. >> is isis now or isil as you calling it a bigger threat to the u.s. homeland than al qaeda? >> al qaeda is the more sophisticated threat in terms of being able to blow up an airliner or do other spectacular attacks. isil has achieved supremacy over
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al qaeda and leadership of the global jihad, and their ability to inspire the self-radicalization far surpasses al qaeda. >> give us a flavor of what's going on right now you oversaw all the dod, all the pentagon intelligence agencies which is under your per view. >> well i think national security agency and national counter terrorism center cia, fbi, they're all working together for -- looking at intelligence chatter as we call it any heightened level of activity. and then as well as here in the united states, principally state and local. and fbi. >> this is when all hands are on deck. people are not going on vacation, they're not working part time. they're focused on protecting the american people? >> it's a 24/7 job. >> we have a lot more to talk about. we're going to take a quick break, much more coming up.
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breaking now, the deadline for the iran nuclear talks extended. the talks are going into overtime. the pressure to strike a bargain is higher than ever we'll talk about that with the former undersecretary of defense michael vickers. let's go to elise lav it. what's the latest on knees talks. >> the u.s. announced today negotiations will go into july 7th. a full week past today's deadline. a deal is not assured, there are
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major gaps and the president said they're not closed there will be no deal which is why the military is working on plan b b. all smiles in vienna even as nuclear talks go past today's long established deadline for a deal. >> but with iran's supreme leader playing hardball on sanctions and inspections of nuclear sites, the president laid down a marker. >> i will walk away from the negotiations if in fact it's a bad deal. >> we're hopeful. >> ifdy ploemcy fails, the president's top military advisers made it clear they have a plan b. if a deal is reached, the u.s. hopes the credible military threat will serve as a deterrent against iranian cheating. >> i have a responsibility to make sure the military option is real. and believe me we work on that. >> the u.s. weapon of choice is
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a 15 ton bunker buster bomb called the mo of. specifically designed to destroy hardened targets buried deep underground. the mop can carry more than 5,000 pounds of explosives at supersonic speed. penetrating 200 feet underground, even through 60 feet of concrete with devastating force before detonating. it was designed with fortified iranian nuclear sites in mind. such as a secret nuclear facility built within a hallowed out mountain to with stand such aerial attacks. >> we continue to improve it and upgrade it overtime. >> in an interview with "out front" the secretary of defense said, it's ready to go. >> we have the capability to shut down set back and destroy the iranian nuclear program. and i believe the iranians know
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that and understand that. >> he warned even the most devastating military strike would only slow iran's nuclear program, not eliminate it. >> the community estimates it could be a year or two of recovery time for iran to presumably build new sites in new places that they would not tell us about or allow inspectors. >> president obama has warned iran is sure to rebuild its nuclear program if there's a strike. any of the sanctions against iran would likely be gone because if the u.s. takes military action the international agreement could fall apart and the international community would be in a far worse position to curb ambitions next time. >> thanks very much. let's dig deeper the former undersecretary of defense for intelligence michael vickers is here. is that a credible threat do you think, the iranians fear that kind of huge massive bomb destroying their nuclear capabilities? >> they should.
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i mean as secretary carter said we've been working on that for a long time we've developed the plans and the president has made clear, he's determined to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> you think there's going to be a deal? >> i think at the end there will be a deal if you look at what happened with the framework agreement, we went into overtime there was a lot of last minute bargaining the president held firm and got the framework agreement. >> you saw that letter that was signed by several former obama administration top aides, including general petraeus they're worried about this potential deal. are you? >> well i mean the devil's in the details, it's very important that all aspects of it be adhered to and the gradual release of the sanctions. the limits on iran's nuclear program, and the advanced centrifuge research. access to all its facilities on no notice et cetera. but with that it would be a good deal. >> the grand ayatollah in recent
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days has said the ayatollah has repeatedly said there won't be inspections of military sites, there won't be inspections without notification. there won't be any surprise -- he's takes a pretty hardline here's the question can his negotiators go ahead and undermine him, strike a deal which goes against what he publicly is saying? >> last night, with the framework agreement, we had a similar experience and i think they'll find a way to accept this as well. because if they don't agree, there won't be a deal. >> you think the president of the united states will walk away from this? the accusation against him is he wants this deal more than the iranians want the deal. >> i think they believe that or they're bargaining tough, in the sense that they believe it they should take the president at his word. >> if there's no deal and they believe the iranians are seek are thely building a bomb you have no doubt they will drop that huge bomb it's called a massive ordinance penetrater on that site in iraq? >> well i think that depends on
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iranian behavior the president has said he's determined to prevent the iranians from getting a nuclear weapon. >> you heard the report that so far all this training of moderate syrians were going to go and fight isis maybe 100 guys were going to be trained? what is going on it sounds like a pitfully small number. >> the dodd program has gotten off to a slower start than some would hope the opposition is bigger than that and the opposition is -- had some significant gains recently. and from my experience in afghanistan afghanistan, have you to be in this for the long hall. >> supposedly this program has cost u.s. taxpayers half a billion dollars, $500 million to train these moderate syrians, some others. that sounds like a big chunk of change? >> i think that's the amount of money that's been allocated. i don't think it's been spent yet with the initial training. that's really for 5,000 plus
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opposition fighters. for training and equipping. >> it's a lot of money to train 5,000 opposition fighters. half of whom abandon their positions or retreat past the experience. >> we're going to need many many times 5,000. >> it seems like a pretty awful strategy right now, nothing much is happening, isis continues to contain -- control the second largest city in iraq mosul, a city of nearly 2 million people it's been more than a year already, the iraqi military is mia. >> the iraqi military has been slow to reconstitute as well. we have to have ground forces both in iraq and syria to achieve the president's goal of eventually defeating isil. >> you mean the united states? >> we have to have ground forces in the region iraqi, syrian, that's why building up a syrian opposition is critical. >> that's not happening. >> there's more opposition there than you think. >> i wouldn't focus on the dod.
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>> what do you think of the strategy? >> i think we need to be more aggressive in certain areas. i think advisers as we did in afghanistan in 2001 can make a big difference without having large ground forces. have you to combine air power and ground power to make a difference. >> there seems to be a battle underway right now between al baghdadi the leader of isis or isil as you call it and the expansion that's going on by isis all over not only the middle east but north africa into europe, maybe here in the united states. how big of a problem is that. >> a lot of appeal in north africa some of these are footholds at this point. it does show the appeal of the califate. >> they're no longer the jv? >> they're not a jv. they're a major league terror threat. >> major league terrorist threat. >> a lot of us remember the late congressman charlie wilson from
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texas. there was a film you remember charlie wilson's war, you were portrayed in that film -- we're showing a little clip there, you were a young guy played by charlie denim, tell us about that experience you had with charlie wilson and all of a sudden seeing yourself in a major motion picture. >> charlie was a great partner for the agency. a great patriot for the u.s. government played a major role in defeating the red army there. and a dear friend until the enof his life. >> tom hanks played charlie wilson. it was a good movie. i knew charlie wilson when he was a congressman. i interviewed him several times, he was amazing as all of us remember. big loss when he passed away. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> good to have you back. don't leave yet. new threats against the leader of isis not by a u.s. ally but a longstanding earn my
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we're following the breaking news cnn u.s. officials are concerned about terror threats and the possibility of an attack over the fourth of july weekend. let's bring in former cia counter terrorism official our national security analyst, peter bergan.
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you heard evan perez report about how u.s. intelligence law enforcement are deeply concerned right now, take this a little bit behind the scenes, inside the cia, for example, what are they looking at. >> you're sitting down every evening or every morning. you may have a threat out of pakistan. you're trying to determine how quickly that threat might evolve into an actual attack. the problem, the evolution we've seen in the past a couple years is the volume of people who have been radicalized, you have to intervene more quickly, we can't sit here and collect intelligence for ever there are too many targets to go after, you have to arrest them quickly. >> if you were still with the fbi, what would you be looking at? >> ten years ago, have you al qaeda central issue the order, then can you do the attack you can do it you need money, we'll send money. we'll have multiple communications for each attack. now, when they put out this
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giant order to the world, go attack and we don't need to know about it here just go do it, you don't know what 10,000 people around the world are thinking. when will one or more of them whether it's three countries in the same day it's in someone's head to do this attack. it's a command that's gone on. the experience of the authorities is that those commands are followed by somebody somewhere, some time even if they don't know who. >> when a type isis spokesman -- >> we saw a response to that on friday, in kuwait on friday, and tunisia on friday. i mean it turns out to be right. in a way, in the sort of previous incarnation of these groups you monitor meetings you monitor e-mails, you can monitor phone. it was easier for law
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enforcement to follow these things. somebody just sitting in the basement radicalizing himself, oar even herself, not much law enforcement can do to stop that. >> is there anything law enforcement can do to stop that? >> one of the things they have to do is look at access to social media. >> you look at vulnerabilities to terrorists typically, you're looking at travel money, communications. i agree, those vulnerability s vulnerabilities -- family friends, someone in the community reaching out. we've seen this saying something's wrong with my friend my family member the other as i said somebody says something so radical on twitter, facebook, that you step back and say, we have to go after them. >> that's clearly what happened in tunisia, some individual who was inspired by isis goes out -- watch this video of this attack.
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e young college kid, if you will he's running on the beach, that earlier video was taken by a hotel worker you heard all those shots being fired, it's pretty -- 38 people were killed dozens more were injured. >> they interviewed the family members who said they didn't have a clue. no one that knew him said they knew anything about it. he was thinking about doing this, planning to do it. >> how do you explain that?
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there's no clues whatsoever. a young college student, supposedly a good college student is radicalized and goes out there and kills these tourists most of them british or dutch or germans or italians who were vacationing in what's supposedly a peaceful part of north africa, tunisia. >> typically, when you see these incidents, you often hear people saying they didn't mean to be demonstrating. they had come to the attention of the fbi, the fbi didn't really find any derogatory information, closed the case for all intents and purposes. gerard the younger brother appeared to be a typical american college student interested in marijuana and sort of missing classes. so you know it's not unique to tunisia that people don't demonstrate, in fact they often make a point of not demonstrating the fact that they're radicalizing. >> you heard michael vickers at the department of defense just tell us yes, al qaeda remains a
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serious threat to the united states but isis a very different but very serious threat as well these are two different threats. >> i think isis is greater for simple reasons, you look at these, you have to look at the characteristics of any organization. let's step through three or four. control of territory, safe haven, messaging ideology. isis beats al qaeda, we're anchored in the past because of 9/11 obviously, there's only one way can you go and that's to say isis is the brand of the future al qaeda is the brand of the past. >> they can do these individual loan wolf attacks. isis still has that potential -- al qaeda has that potential capability of blowing up a plane. >> two different philosophies of attack we've seen over the years. one is the big bang theory which al qaeda did on 9/11. the other is 10,000 cuts it's little rally cuts when they behead people. we saw this in the last boston
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when the fbi shot that guy. that's all you need is a hunting knife, a butcher knife, a gun, a car, that's why it's so difficult to stop that. can you stop these big giant scenarios. >> tom fuentes, thanks very much peter bergen thanks. coming up how a bloody terror attack now is a pair of u.s. enemies turning against one another. look at this firefighters that are enduring very dry 100 degree weather as they try to contain a dangerous wildfire. right now, we'll get a live update.
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breaking now, in the wake of a broaddy terrorist bombing. threats are being directed at a new u.s. enemy, isis. >> u.s. officials, it may be hard to root for a winner in this one. you have muqtater al sadr vowing to punish baghdadi. calling baghdadi ignorant. a horrific attack on a shiite mosque in recent days is what likely pushed al sadr over the edge. >> a grotesque scene in kuwait. more than 2 dozen killed by a suicide bomber. many of them shiite worshippers at friday prayers.
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isis claims responsibility and with that an old u.s. enemy threatens a new one. muqtater al sadr issues a message to al baghdadi. either you reform yourself or we will reform you, along with your followers by sword. >> it's a very significant declaration, and it plays right into isis' plan. >> analysts say isis has been trying to bait shyite militia's in iraq to attack sunnis some of whom side with isis so isis can recruit more sunnis. the willingness to jump into the fight reminds lieutenant colonel douglas alabat of the days in the mid-2000s when his militia were public enemy number one for u.s. forces. >> famously initially a battle with soldiers from my old unit
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the first calvary division in baghdad, in early 2004 in seder city this began a cycle of violence with the sadrists in baghdad and eventually in basra, there was a good four-year period from early 2004 to early 2008 where fighting against the sadrists was a daily activity. >> al sadr's fighters were tough enemies in urban warfare effective with bombings. al sadr was formidable enough to have a u.s. bounty on his head. his forces were believed to be battling isis in parts of northern iraq. >> it will be very difficult for al sadr and his militia supporters to reach baghdadi inside syria, also very difficult for them to reach him
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in the sunni ar arists of iraq. wherever he is he's going to be keeping his location incredibly secret it will be known to a few number of isis operatives he's going to be limiting or eliminating his electronic footprint not using a cell phone. >> so how do u.s. officials feel about al sadr being the enemy of their enemy? officials at the pentagon and sia would not comment. they may not mind isis having another formidable enemy. what does worry leaders here in washington is the possibility that any escalation will blow up into a full fledged sectarian sunni versus shiite war. >> that's what everyone's worried about tonight. >> we've seen them tweaking each other even before this most recent period. >> just last month, alal baghdadi threatened to attack baghdad and the holy shiite city of
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karballah in iraq. he warned if his forces attack shrines, sadr's army would make the city full of your grimy bodies. everybody's watching to see what they do on the battlefield. >> the most recent isis terror attack against that mosque in kuwait was a shiite mosque. there's a battle going on between sunni dominated isis shiites if you will. we'll watch that story. coming up dangerous wildfires are threatening entire neighborhoods. the gross concern about the possibility of terror attacks here in the united states over the upcoming fourth of july weekend.
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in washington state we're watching a very dangerous wildfire that has destroyed neighborhoods and forced hundreds out of their homes. what's going on? >> reporter: well hi wolf. another triple digit day here in washington. it is making thing very difficult for firefighters. we are in the broad view neighborhood. this is the home that experienced so much loss and devastation. there are 24 homes in this one subdivision that burned to the ground. pretty much everywhere you look there is a home that has been leveled. one here another one next door to us. even across the street. the good news they're saying that this fire is 10% contained. you don't have any active flames at the moment so they believe that number will go way up. we're expecting the briefing sometime this afternoon. you have to remember wolf that washington state like much of the west coast, is experiencing
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a severe drought. so there is a huge concern. especially coupled with the fourth of july holiday coming up that you can have people shooting off fireworks and it can trigger more wildfires. in the mean time people are trying to clean up. you can see they're literally shovels here. home owners can come into this neighborhood. they can go to their home and try to salvage any kind of belongings? we talked to one homeowner who doesn't think he will be able to find anything here. you can see, it is nothing but just twisted metal and ash. >> what a sad scene it is. let's check on the weather forecast to see if the firefighters will get any help. jennifer is standing by live. what is that forecast? >> we've had very warm temperatures and very low humidity levels and strong winds. three thing that make the fire danger go way up. it looks like we are getting a little help by the winds dying
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down. we'll stay very hot and very windy. if a spot fire pops up we could see it progress 100 feet per minute. that's a football feel every three minutes. very dangerous across the area. as we go through the overnight hours, we are got go continue to see the winds at 15 miles per hour. gusting even higher at times. a little bit of a break. the winds do die down in the area but then they are expected to pick back up again on thursday. of course we won't see any rain. that would be a welcome sight. we are still in that severe drought. went of aee right there and under a severe to moderate drought, of course, in the area. we are entering the drier months. as we move into the next few months the situation will get more scary. down in the 20s, very, very dry for the area and it will stay that way over the next couple of days. temperatures will stay in the triple digits as well wolf
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with temperature reaching 104 on thursday. 102 on friday. no rain in the forecast. >> that's not good. thanks very much. we'll check back with you. there's news we're following. we're learning new information about the terror threat that has police on both coasts beefing up security just ahead of the july 4th weekend. you're driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn't there and the next second... boom! you've had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and... boom! you're blindsided for a second time. they won't give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don't those people know you're already shaken up? liberty mutual's new car replacement will pay for the entire value of your car plus depreciation. call and for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first
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fourth of july. racism in america. with a charleston church shooting still fresh, our exclusive new poll shows race relations are getting worse under the first african-american president. also tonight, a community is being bombarded with ku klux klan propaganda. and building bridges. chris christie jumps into the presidential race despite the scandal that fated his star power. now the governor's wife is talking exclusively to cnn about the clouds hanging over his candidacy. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. >> we're getting new information about terror threats. unusually tight security measures are being put in place in new york and here in washington.