tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 2, 2015 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
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we will see if he really gets his act together. >> we will see what happens. lots of politics as we go forward. that's it for me. thanks for watching. tweet me and tweet the show. erin burnett "out front" with kate baldwin filling in tonight starts right now. "out front," richard matt's last moments on the run, stunning new details about how matt went down in a hail of bullets. breaking news. the military cancelling fourth of july events at a u.s. air base. what do officials know about the threat of a terror attack this weekend? shark attacks on the rise. my guest tonight, a 12-year-old who survived a horrific attack. let's go "out front." good evening, everyone. i'm kate baldwin in for erin
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burnett. new details tonight about convicted killer richard matt's final moments. federal agents responding to a report about gunshots fired in the woods near the new york canadian border. according to government officials, one agent found matt during the search lying down behind a fallonen tree. the confrontation, as we know, turned deadly. prison worker joyce mitchell's husband is standing by his wife tonight, despite david sweat's insistence that it was joyce who wanted her husband dead. a lot of developments to get to. jason carroll is out front tonight in new york. jason, this is really the first time officials are giving an account of richard matt's final moments. what can you tell us? >> reporter: the final moments could have been much much worse for the border agent who, as you know ended up firing and
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killing richard matt. it could have been worse for him. federal authorities are saying that when richard matt failed to obey orders, he raised and pointed the shotgun at that agent before that agent opened fire. you can see from federal agents telling us that that situation could have been much much worse. the shotgun, as you know richard matt picked up when he was on the run along with the alcohol that he ended up drinking. if not for the quick thinking of that border patrol agent things could have been much much worse. >> absolutely. david sweat is telling investigators that it was joyce mitchell's idea to kill her husband lyle. lyle is now speaking out through his attorney. what is he saying? >> reporter: you know some of the people out here have been saying that these are the details that one might hear in a movie. but absolutely david sweat telling authorities, investigators that it was not his idea it was not richard matt's idea to kill lyle
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mitchell joyce mitchell's husband, it was her idea. she denied that. we're this afternoon hearing from lyle mitchell's attorney who told us the following. lyle only knows what joyce has told him. and that was that she didn't want lyle hurt. as you know joyce mitchell telling investigators she could not go through with the plan that it was not her idea and that she did not want her husband, in fact lyle mitchell's attorney telling cnn just within the past week or so that lyle mitchell still loves his wife joyce. >> a lot of folks wondering, that poor man, how is he standing by his wife right now? jason, thank you so much. a lot of details coming out tonight. to dig through it jonathan gillian, a former navy s.e.a.l. and paul is here as well as jeff a former sergeant at the clinton correctional facility who was there for 22 years. thank you for being here. this is an amazing account we're
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getting about what went down in the final moments with richard matt. when you look at this he pointed -- he raised and pointed his shotgun. it does make you wonder at what point in tracking these guys down do the agents have the right to take him down to open fire? >> they had the right before they went into the woods. the fact is that these were escaped convicts. they are on the run. they then had intelligence that they were armed, at least they knew matt was armed. so as they went into where they believed he was, they did not have to necessarily identify themselves as law enforcement when they walk up upon him. he is a threat. their right to eliminate the threat when it's imminent is already present. >> you think when they asked him to put his hands up were they being hesitant here? >> well they definitely went as far as they could, because you see what happens is if you identify yourself and the weapon comes up and you see that he has a weapon intelligence is showing you that -- is telling you he has a weapon you do not
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necessarily have to identify yourself being you react to eliminate the threat. if he's laying in wait you walk upon him, he has a weapon you do not have to wait. >> if you were the agent in the field that you wouldn't have shot him? >> there's no scenario. you don't -- that guy is a killer? he has proven he will kill. he will kill law enforcement. >> when you look at this with his death, investigators lost a lot of information. what was lost with the death of richard matt? >> well, you know there are two ways of looking at this. you could say they achieved the ultimate penalty. he was given the death penalty in the case. you wouldn't have gotten better than that in court in terms of punishment. on the other hand of course assuming this was a justifiable shoot -- they're not always justifiable. you have -- there has to be a reasonable threat that you feel that you are in. you will feel that when -- with a guy this dangerous. i think this was a justifiable
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suit. they lost the ability to get intelligence. he might have revealed more details about how it was planned, whether there were other corrections officers at the facility who were involved. that's, of course, all forfeit forfeited. we have sweat left to tell his story. they did forfeit good intelligence. >> so as paul is saying as we know now, we have one person's side of the story. he sure is spilling it. you worked at this prison. you see the inmates. you know how they interact. you have david sweat saying that he was the mastermind. now we know that it was richard matt who had this gun. who do you think in your gut was really behind kind of leading this escape? >> my gut feeling is they both had their own part in it. there probably wasn't a leeing. ingleader. they needed each other to make it all work. i don't think that there was a clearcut leader. both of them stayed out of trouble. both of them used the liberties within the facility in order to
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facilitate this. they have been around the block. they know what's going on. >> let's focus on this murder plot. this is sad and fascinating about -- we have joyce mitchell saying it was the inmates. david sweat saying it was absolutely the other way around. regardless we have all had this question. if these guys wanted to get away their goal was to get to freedom. why would they spend the time -- waste time carrying out a murder before they did? >> well, you know, i was asking the same question. after talking to one of the guests that was on today who is a former inmate there, he brought up the fact that they were -- they escaped on saturday. had they left with her and either she stayed with them or they killed her -- which i think is the possibility, they would have killed her. her husband would have gone looking for her quickly. that would have sent the chase out even further into looking at miss mitchell. i think if we look at that
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scenario it would have made sense for them to have her help them or at least get the vehicle and then either kill her or kill her and her husband both so that nobody can track them and they're gone. >> jeff i hear you piping in. you know these -- you know the prison's protocols. after they realize they were gone how quickly would they have contacted the mitchells? >> chances are, when they got out at 12:30 in the morning, if she would have picked them up my feeling is that they would have went to her husband, killed the husband, kimlled her and two dead bodies until late monday morning. nobody would have looked for them all weekend long. matt and sweat would have been in a vehicle headed to mexico, because matt fled there. they would have taken off there. the prison itself would have started looking for the two employees sometime on monday after they had not shown up for work. we would have made phone calls,
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tried to get ahold of them. nobody. we would send somebody to the house. they lived a considerable distance away, maybe 45 minutes. we would have sent somebody out there. that's probably when they would have been discovered late on the monday morning. they would have had a head start. >> what we're looking at is he said she said. do you think we will find out who was the driving force behind this? >> i don't think we are. we're trying to read tea leaves. there's another scenario where you could argue that it would have made no sense for them to kill the husband, because they were holding that out to her to get her cooperation. assuming that this was her idea. and if prison authorities found that the escape had occurred at some point in time as negligent as they were they were going to discover they were missing. they would have immediately started looking. they would have found two bodies and the hunt would have been on. i'm not so sure that killing both of them would have aided. this is pure speculation. we have no way of knowing. >> the details as they come out,
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they are fascinating. how they pulled it off and now what we hear from david sweat. thank you all so much. we have breaking news. the military cancels fourth of july celebrations at a u.s. air base over serious threats of a terror attack this holiday weekend. will more holiday events be shut down? plus first nbc, then may macy's, now the city of new york looking to dump donald trump. ten shark attacks off the carolinas. will fear keep beachgoers home on this big holiday weekend? look at that. new season brings a new look. a chance to try something different. this summer, challenge your preconceptions and experience a cadillac for yourself. ♪ ♪ take advantage of our summer offers. the 2015 cadillac srx, a crossover with space
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breaking news on the threat of terror attacks over the july 4th weekend. officials are ramping up security. a u.s. military base just canceled anticipate event out of concern. jim sciutto is out front with more on this. what is the military telling you about why this event was canceled? >> reporter: they are saying it was a base decision a decision by the commanders on the base that the risks outweighed benefits in light of the threat situation now of of holding the july 4th celebrations. listen to the language that they used in the announcement just describing what's at stake here. they closed the base in a difficult decision like this when lives are on the line. that lays out in their view what
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was at stake. this strikes me as interesting. other bases in the uk where u.s. forces are based, they did not make the same decision to cancel their july 4th celebrations. raises the possibility the commanders there saw something specific to that base that made it in their view dangerous to hold the event. they are not saying that. but there's that possibility. keep in mind that the security situation in europe arguably worse than the u.s. far more jihadis there. a lot coming out of syria and iraq. they have a difficult security situation. >> lives on the line that's pretty striking to have that be said in the statement. you are talking about the security situation over there, more breaking news tonight. the pentagon announced another senior isis leader was killed in an air strike. what are you picking up on that? >> he was an important leader in isis responsible for getting foreign fighters and weapons across the border into iraq and syria. also known as the emir of see
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sued suicide bombers by trucks and also by individuals. very dangerous character. there was a $3 million u.s. bounty on his head. one more note kate. he was a tunisian in charge of attacks. you had the horrible attack where one gunman killed more than 30 tourists. this was an important figure taken out. >> important news for sure. jim, thank you very much. jim sciutto for us on that. tonight, republican congressman mike turner he sits on the house intelligence and armed services committees. congressman, it's great to see you. thank you for coming in. a lot of to discuss, when you hear what jim was saying that a u.s. military base cancelling its july 4th events especially when you hear the language that lives were on the line and the risks outweighed the benefits.
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can you tell us was there a specific threat to this base? >> i can't speak to that. i can tell you this. this is is not what you would want to see. at the same time we're having to balance what are real and specific threats isis is using social media and is deploying terrorists for the purposes of attacking the west including tempting attacks within the united states. we have to be vigilant. even in my own community in may, they canceled here a spinning concert being very concerned at that time of what they believed was not just a general threat but a specific threat to the facility. >> do you think this is just the beginning in terms of cancelling of events especially around a key holiday like this? >> the problem is that we don't really have a very good strategy right now for addressing isis. we have the news reports of isis
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leadership that we're being successful in taking out. isis is using social media in a way in which they are trying to have attacks in the united states and in europe. that's very concerning and certainly very dangerous. >> law ep forsnforcement agencies around the country have been warned about the possibility of isis directed plots. it's described as being complex and centrally planned. we know you cannot reveal and we wouldn't want you to the information that you are privy to. from what you are hearing, are you confident right now that law ep fors enforcement can prevent that? >> i think it's very difficult to prevent terrorist attacks. we need to do is take the fight to the terrorists. but at the same time organize those that are perpetrating these acts. people need to be aware of their
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surroundings. bring things to the attention of authorities if they see something that does not make sense or that is questionable. certainly, we need to go on and enjoy the fourth of july and celebrate our independence. certainly look to the fact that of course our battle for our freedoms continues. that's part of what we are celebrating on july fourth. we will continue to battle. >> the chairman of the house homeland security committee, he said to me we hope and pray that we get through this weekend without any attacks. that does scare you. you want more than hope and pray to be basing that on. i want to ask you about the ongoing threat that we are facing. 49 alleged isis supporters in the u.s. have been charged. nine in the last month. do you expect -- should we expect to see more arrests like this before the holiday weekend is over? >> i hope so. we're being dilligent in trying to track those in touch with isis.
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we become aware of their existence, some of the plans and some of the vulnerabilities. that is where we try to bring justice. >> i want to ask you the other breaking news the fact that this top isis leader, he was killed in coalition air strikes. he was known as the emir of suicide bombings. tell us from your perspective how significant is this? >> it is certainly significant we're able to reach out and touch the leadership of isis. they control a great portion of the territory of syria and iraq. we tried to prevent in afghanistan where they would train and execute terrorists and maintain their organization. this will require more than the leadership of isis. it will require us to retake the areas that have been lost and
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ensure that it is not in the hands of the terrorists. >> looking into the weekend, you are a father of two daughters, what do you say to your family that want to go to a fourth of july parade what do you tell them? should they go? >> we're going. not only are we going, we're going to celebrate and be proud of america. at the same time we're going to keep our eyes open and tell anybody if we see anything that looks suspicious or that needs to be checked out. >> it's great to have you. thank you so much. >> thank you. new york city's mayor calling donald trump's remarks about mexican immigrant "disgusting and offensive." will trump's hometown cut ties? she was arrested for taking down the confederate flag but did she help or hurt her cause? we will ask her.
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tonight, more trouble for trump. now new york city donald trump's home base is threatening to dump him over his comments calling mexican immigrants rapists. trump's company runs a golf course ice skating rink and other entityies in the city. nbc, macy's -- look at the list -- they have cut ties ending their business relationships with trump. now his fellow republican presidential candidates are piling on, too. >> i don't think donald trump's remarks reflect the republican party. >> i don't agree with him. pretty simple. >> the comments were inappropriate. they have no place in the race. >> boris sanchez is "out front" tonight. a lot is at stake here. >> reporter: that's right. this will hurt him financially. though he is doing well in the polls right now, experts tell us his comments will hurt him
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politically as well. these words have cost don't trumald trump a lot of money. >> when mexico sends their people they are sending people that have lots of problems. they are bringing those problems with us. they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. they are rapists. and some i assume are good people. >> reporter: the billionaire entrepreneur now out of business with major companies. >> you are fired. >> reporter: nbc taking him off the apprentice. and along with univision declining to air his miss usa and miss universe pageants. macy's pulling the trump on his clothing line. >> my suits will guarantee you are always boardroom ready. >> reporter: serta which signs trump beds not renewing his contract. now the big apple, his hometown also looking to dump trump. new york city mayor bill de
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blasio writing in a statement, we are reviewing trump's contracts with the city. donald trump's remarks were disgusting and offensive. this hateful language has no place in our city. not only is the city revealing an ice skating rink run by trump, they are looking to cut the contract at this golf club. the contracts have a terminate at will clause that they believe the department should use to sever ties with trump. none of the criticism has stopped trump from doubling down. >> you don't have any regrets? >> some are good. some are rapists. we don't know what we're getting. there's no apology. what i said is right. >> talking made him a great businessman. talking doesn't necessarily make you a great politician. >> reporter: a marketing expert says fiery sound likes likely won't help him down the road.
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>> if he fincontinues down this path he will start to anger people in higher positions of power, people who can get him into office. they will distance themselves if they haven't already started. >> reporter: we reached out to those companies that broke deals with trump. they wouldn't give us figures for what the contracts were worth. keep in mind a deal that trump signed with nbc in 2002 was worth $50 million. quite a bit of money. >> there's a lot of money at stake. boris, thank you very much. the highest visibility hit against trump, nbc and univision refusing to broadcast the miss usa pageant scheduled to air ten days from anothernow. reelz has stepped in to show the pageant. we just heard yet again some of
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what trump has said about mexican immigrants. we know. nbc and univision calls it derogatory. macy's says they are inconsistent with the store's values. why is this something you want to be associated with? >> i agree with everything that nbc and macy's are saying. the comments are ridiculous. we couldn't agree -- disagree with them more. we look at this event, this pageant that has young women who have competed for this for years, they have worked hard got themselves to baton ruge who rolled out the red carpet. this is their day in the sun. we will give it to them. this has been on television for 53 years. this will be the 54th year of the miss usa pageant. none of those contestants, none of the people in baton rouge, none of the little girls at home who aspire to this want to watch it, none of the people at home who have been watching this on television for decades had
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anything to do with this. the miss usa pageant is about as non-political as anything could possibly be. it's an iconic television event. our carriage of that was event should not be construed as anything political. it's anything but. this is television. this is entertainment. >> but this is also -- >> we do not agree with in any way any of the comments that mr. trump has to say. >> what you hear from what nbc and univision is saying it's tainted because he is so linked -- he puts his brand -- when his brand is part of something, it's all over it. he is a big part of these pageants. he is standing with the contestants. you can see him right there. i want to play you again -- for our viewers, some of what trump has said. listen. >> they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. they are rapists. they are sending people that
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are -- have a lot of problems. no apology because what i said is right. women being raped. who is doing the raping? who is doing the raping? >> i spoke with a reporter who wrote the piece. you say that you don't condone what he says. but this isn't part of it. nbc and univision, they couldn't separate the two. why are you able to? >> well look i think those comments are completely ridiculous. i think most of america thinks the same way. i also think that when you are a giant corporation, you have lots of entanglements that an independent network doesn't have. reelz is able to look at this pageant, look at the contestants, the community, look at this american tradition and get our arms around the good parts of it and bring it to television on july 12th. the agreement we made was with the pageant officials, not with the trump organization
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notwithstanding, i do understand the ownership situation. we paid a very small license fee to have the telecast. i can tell you, that fee isn't even going to come close to putting a small dent in what's going to cost to produce that pageant. >> how much is the licensing fee? >> any advertisers -- very small. >> $100,000? >> if you said $100,000 would you be pretty close. >> who is going to foot the bill? >> the rest of the bill i assume is being fronted by the organization to put on the pageant and any advertisers that want to participate in this and be part of the event. that's hard right now. it's for the account of this network, not for the pageant, not for the trump organization. there's no bartter, no revenue share. it's completely belongs to reelz. we knew going in we may have no advertisers. we get it. we have 11 days to sell it anyway with the holiday summer weekend in between. that makes it almost impossible.
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we do think having the chance to bring this pageant and support those contestants and this community is a worthwhile endeavor and it is not a political move. it's a television move. >> we appreciate you coming in. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> of course. you just heard from the ceo of reelz. what do you think? what does this do for reelz? he thinks he's worthwhile. >> his last line was telling. this is a television move. it seems like that's what it is. they don't have as much to lose. it's a smaller channel. you probably have it at home and you don't realize it. it's one of those channels that's hard to final. this is an opportunity for people to find the channel. make no mistake, the family does have a history with the republican party, political donations, conservative causes. that's significant because you hear about liberal bias in hollywood. they are the opposite. they are known for in the past
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four years ago, airing a mini miniseries about the kennedys that was critical. reelz aired it. they are stepping up in the middle of the fight and trying to help out miss usa. >> he said it's about the contestants. are they satisfied with this? >> somewhat. >> it's an obscure channel. >> it's not going to get the millions of view it would have on nbc. there has to be some measure of disappointment. the 51 contestants felt they wouldn't be on fvtv. the message today was they are saving the sash by getting it on television at all. >> you will have more this weekend? >> we have trump's lawyer on sunday. i'm interested to see if univision is being seussued, will
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nbc be sued? i think they wanted this to go on for a while. this is getting him a lot of attention. this is a campaign issue. who would have thought miss usa is say campaign issue? >> it is now. next this woman pushed the debate over the confederate flag to the next level when she climbed a flagpole to take it down. shark attacks on the rise as americans head to the beach for the holiday weekend. a 12-year-old who just survived one of those attacks. listen up... i'm reworking the menu. mayo, corn dogs... you are so out of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets.
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james tyson who helped her pull it off. they were both charged with defacing a monument and now face up to three years in jail. after all of that less than an hour later it was back up and flying. they are "out front" tonight. thank you both of you for coming in. you want the flag down? >> yes. >> a lot of people want the flag down. why did you take such drastic measures then to do it yourself? >> i wanted to highlight just the unjust nature of the entire situation. i mean the reason why south carolina has been so held up in terms of removing their flag whereas you have seen in alabama, they took the flag down right away is because there was this series of laws that were passed in the '60s and in the year 2000 to protect the symbol of hate this symbol of treason. so the fact that the legislature or the governor can't even move to remove the flag as reverend
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pinckney is laid to rest highlights the injustice. >> they put the flag right back up up and flying almost right after you were led away by police. what did you accomplish? >> well that's exactly how direct action non-violence works. it's to draw a clear moral contrast. there are two options. one is to leave the flag down and the other is to require the black worker to raise the flag back up. because of the existence of this unjust law, the worker is required to raise the flag back up. it highlights it's a moment for society to do a gut check of our values. why is this? is this where we want to be in the 21st century? is it time to put this in a museum and educate ourselves so we don't repeat it anymore? >> why did you want to get involved? >> because white supremacy is
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perpetuated by white people. as someone that could be considered white awake, i have to do my part. i have to put my own body or my own privilege at risk in order to further something that i truly believe in. i believe we're all created equally. i believe we should all be -- we should have the same rights. >> i want you to -- take a look at this. there's a new poll that was just out that said 33% of the people who were polled they agree with you, this is a symbol of racism. 57% see it as a symbol of southern pride. what do you say to that? >> i think one of the unfortunate things that this controversy highlighted is the extent to which we are not educating people on the history of this nation. this is an issue that divided our nation. millions of americans died fighting over this issue of slavery. if you go and look at what was written by the actual founders of the con fedfederacy they
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disagreed with the notion that all people are created equal. they wanted to maintain slavery. it's straightforward. >> looking forward, we know the governor wants the flag down. it looks like lawmakers, they are moving in that direction. it's part of a process. it's a legal process. looking back at it do you fear at all that the actions that you took could hurt the chances to have this flag permanently removed? >> i think that if that's the case then that just further highlights the brokenness of our system as social justice workers, we're blamed for creating the problem by bringing attention to the problem. >> for both of you, no regrets? >> no. >> absolutely not. >> jail time or whatever? >> absolutely not. i accept that as part of my calling as a freedom fighter. >> thank you so much for coming on. next with at least ten shark attacks off the carolinas in recent months and millions heading to the beach this holiday weekend, what can you do to stay safe in the water?
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nervous holiday beachgoers on edge tonight as the number of shark attacks are on the rise. in recent months there have been ten shark attacks on the coast of north and south carolina. the victims include a 12-year-old boy who survived this week. we will speak with him in a moment. first, jennifer gray she is in north carolina. jennifer, i used to live and work in north carolina. i have been to that beach. are they taking extra precautions there tonight? >> one thing to note is we haven't seen any bites at this beach. along both carolina coasts an up tick in bites. they can't close the beaches down. the park service regulates anything that happens along the beach. but beyond that once you reach the water, it's out of their control. they have no intention on closing beaches. they are telling people to swim at their own risk. basically, shashrks are searching
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for food constantly. for whatever reason their food is drifting closer to shore, that's where the sharks are going to go. they have very poor eyesight. if they see something in the water or they are searching for food and they bump into something, they possibly are going to take a bite. it's clear we're not on the menu. once they take a bite they let go. do not swim near fishermen. using bait. and will attract smaller fish. normally the fishermen are fishing for sharks. stay away from piers. fish like structure. you want to avoid those areas. most important thing, kate. be aware. out here, the holiday weekend is supposed to pick up. we are expecting a lot of people to hit the beaches. >> looks like it could be beautiful. good important advice tonight. thank you so much jennifer. joining me now is 12-year-old
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kyson weekly and his mother alene. kyson two days ago bitten in the leg by a shark seeing photos at a beach in south carolina. kyson, alene, a pleasure to meet you. amazing that we are talking under these circumstances. walk us through what happened. you were swimming in the ocean and then what? >> so i was kind of floating on my belly with my hands in the sand. and i was like just having the current push me through. and the wave came. and felt a pain in my leg. and i turned around and saw the fin of the shark like swimming away. and so i yelled to my does send to get out of the water. and -- and so i like swam over to the edge of the shore. >> uh-huh. >> and i got up and pulled up my pant leg. and there was -- teeth marks and
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blood running down it. >> alene, as he is retelling the story. i am just in awe. how did you stay calm throughout all this? >> i felt calm. i wasn't ever at a pin theoint where i freaked out. i think because he was so close to the shore. when i saw the blood coming down. i thought -- wow, this this is a bite. and i thought -- is this a shark bite? you know? i didn't really know. and then -- >> when you found out it is a shark bite i am sure you are thanking your lucky stars that it ended the way it did. >> well, well i even asked the lifeguard are you sure? they're like yeah this is a shark bite. >> kyson, your cousin was in the water, younger cousin in the watt with water, were you afraid for him, what did you do? i turned. looked. yelled at him to get out of the water. and i started like going and like he wasn't moving super
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fast. i yelled to him again and told him to like swim as fast yelled to him to get out of the water. and -- then i stood up and his mom realized that i had been bitten by something big. and she like started yelling to him to get out of the water as fast as he could. >> i would say so. and your mom has told us that you at some point during all of this said that this was going to be a pretty awesome story to tell. and, let's be honest not many people can say they have been bitten by a shark and in such good shape as you are. what are your friend saying about all of this? >> um well a lot of pretty much all of my friends are like that's so cool you have to show me the scar when you get back. i'm like oh i will show you the scar don't worry. >> you will have a story to tell. kysen. pleasure to meet you. alene, you as well. we all hope your summer from
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here on out is a whole lot less eventful than it has been so far. >> yes, that's what we are hoping for the rest of our vacation. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> what a cute family. out front next jeanne moos with the guacamole and peas recipe that has everyone all stirred up. benny's the oldest dog in the shelter. he needed help all day so i adopted him. when my back pain flared up, we both felt it. i tried tylenol but it was 6 pills a day. with aleve it's
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so peas and guacamole, discussed. first here is jeanne moos on the great guac debate. >> reporter: holy guacamole, why would any one take perfectly good guacamole and add peas? >> you won't try it? >> the food fight started when the recipe for guacamole, add green peas to your guacamole. trust us. instead of trust they got mockery. put miracle whip on your new york pretzel, trust me. add cilantro to your canole. president obama tweeted, respect "the new york times," but not buying peas and guac. the anti-peas sentiment is bipartisan. >> ever tried peas in your guacamole? >> we don't do peas in guacamole. >> reporter: leave guacamole alone was the battle cry.
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♪ peas don't belong in guacamole ♪ >> reporter: chipotle tweeted let there be peas on earth but not in guac. ♪ give peas a chance ♪ >> reporter: peas had defenders, former congressman john dingell asked, why would any body add guacamole to perfectly good peas. peas guacamole seems to have originated at the highly regarded manhattan restaurant abc cocina. >> can you close your eyes and say, there are peas in there? not so much. there are nuances. lightness, sweetness that is very pleasant. >> reporter: tv hosts taste testing madly. >> try, try. you are going to love it. >> reporter: we took our taste test to the streets. >> was! >> reporter: you're making that up. can you tell they're in there? >> honestly know. >> reporter: do you taste the peas? >> no. >> reporter: sing your pea
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guacamole protest anthem. ♪ you can make it but please call it something else ♪ >> reporter: peacamole. >> guacamolepea. >> i am a pea person. >> reporter: that's good to hear. >> jeanne moos new york. >> i'm now, now i am just hungry. thank you for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. >> good evening. thank you for joining us. we're following tense developments as we go into this holiday weekend including a massive emergency response to the washington navy yard where 12 people lost their lives nearly two years ago. thankfully a false alarm. it is also a sign one of many today of the growing preparation for keeping people safe over the holiday in light of a string of attacks overseas. we'll talk about that tonight. the concern runs so deep a major air force base is canceling fourth of july celebrations to remain vigilant. first the
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