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interview since the start of the her campaign. watch tomorrow at 5:00 eastern time. thank you very much for watching. for all of us here at cnn, i'm pamela brown in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. president obama speaking out, admitting isis fighters are nimble owning up to failures. new details on the new york prison escape. how they planned to kill mitchell's husband and the moment she said she couldn't go through with it. breaking news bill cosby admitting he gave drugs to at least one young woman he wanted to have sex with. we have that breaking news tonight. let's go "out front." good evening to all. i'm erin burnett. president owebama admitting isis
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fighters are nimble forcing failures against the terror group. these are strong words coming on the same day isis takes over a key syrian city. the president conceding isis is a global threat. something the white house has actually denied. >> isil poses a great threat beyond the region. in recent weeks we have seen deadly attacks in egypt's peninsula. we see isis in libya and attempts to establish footholds across north africa the middle east caucuses and southeast asia. >> jim sciutto is "out front." the president's speech you believe was significant on these points. he was admitting the fight really hasn't gone as he planned. >> reporter: significant in how sober it was, erin. he has to admit the setbacks, because you conditionan't ignore losses of a city.
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but slow progress on training the ground forces in iraq and syria that the president said today are necessary to push back isis. the president said in response to that he is going to accelerate that training and send in these more u.s. advisers lily pad strategy which he hopes will help the iraqi forces on the ground and syrian forces in syria to gain back some of the territory. as he said at the very start of this press conference it's not going to be quick. preparing the american people for a long difficult battle. >> also admitting that isis is a more formitdable than he thought. >> reporter: no question. i think this was one of the most significant parts of this. he called them a jv team a year ago. it was a few months ago that i would still hear from administration officials and the president himself would say, listen this is a local threat. the president saying there, how you can deny when you have a single day a week ago with
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attacks in tunisia, kuwait and france tied to isis the president talking about lou it inging about how it reaches the u.s. homeland with isis able to radicalize via the social media. it was a jv team. then a local, regional threat. now it's international. we knew that. the president admitting that today. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. also tonight, the race to a nuclear deal with iran. the deadline is just hours away. fred mriek iran yas sians are saying they are getting what they want and the united states isn't. >> reporter: there's a media outlet reported the president wrote a letter to the iraqi president asking him to intervene because obama needs a deal more than the iranians do. there's others saying that the president has acknowledged he needs a deal more than the iranians. you know the lay of the land. there's moderates here in iran
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who want a deal, who want better relations with the rest. but there's hard liners who feel iran should not give an inch especially to the u.s. we spoke to both. here is what they had to say. this song a single tirade against the u.s. the lyrics accusing america of imperialism and human rights abuses. ending in the typical chant of death to america. this rally by hardliners is meant to show support for their nuclear negotiations team. our negotiators are very honest and we believe in them this woman says. i'm not optimistic a deal can be reached. they put up banners at the main monument with thousands of signatures and their demands. no inspections at iran's military facilities and immediate sanctions relief. an end to sanctions is what most iranians want to jump start their ailing economy.
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we visit this car parts factory outside tehran where the equipment is more than outdated. this machine was built in the soviet union about 30 years ago. even the company that makes this machine has told the iranians they can't give them any more spare parts because of the sanctions. now they are hoping it doesn't break down and trying to make smaller parts themselves. nuclear technology is also a matter of national pride in iran. a majority believes using it for civilian purposes is their right. iran is a superpower itself and we will not accept any pressure this man says. he adds, we're looking for peace and a good deal but not at any price. iran's supreme leader says he supports the negotiations but he remains skeptical that a deal can be reached.
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i did manage to speak to country's deputy foreign minister today. he believes that so far the talks that have been going on between the u.s. and iran are unprecedented and that the two sides have been talking to each our for such a long time and he believes if a deal does come through that there is a real chance for deeper cooperation in other fields as well. >> thank you very much live in tehran tonight. i want to go now to congressman ed royce. you saw the scroll the long white sheets where they sign their name. they don't want inspections. all the people doing that putting that in the monument in the center of tehran. you don't like this deal. what is your biggest concern right now? >> our biggest concern is just that we have 84% of the house of representatives in congress who signed a letter that i sent to the white house saying that at the end of the day, we have to have those inspections on
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those military bases. now, the administration shoots back the argument we wouldn't let the iranians come on our bases to inspect. the problem is that that's where they did their bomb work. the problem is that they have been caught by the iaea. there's 1,000 pages of documents. we have to have international inspectors have the ability to do that. if we lift the sanctions up front as the iranians are demanding, that money is not going to go into the economy. what we have seen iran put the money into is their offensive capability. they have 100,000 rockets and missiles now that they have put into the hands of hezbollah. they announced they are rebuilding tunnels in gaza for hamas and they will transfer rockets there, too. so to lift the sanctions up front would be a very bad move. that's the position of congress and it's bipartisan. >> of course usa pointas you point out, the supreme leader said inspections will not happen. none of us know where the agreement is on that front.
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that's what he said. the secretary of state as you know john kerry is at the talks in vienna. he is saying that this will not be a deal unless it's a good deal. let me play how he put it. >> if we don't have a deal if there's an unwillingness to move on the things that are important, we will be prepared to walk away. >> do you not believe him? you don't think they would walk away? >> from what we have heard in terms of the negotiations here it sounds a lot like the 1994 framework agreement with north korea where we try to convince ourselves -- i remember the debates then on this very issue. we try to convince ourselves that even though we don't have access to the military sites or anywhere any time inspections, that we have enough information somehow to make sure that the north koreans are honest. they ended up getting the bomb right under our nose. so that's why we're so sticklers in congress on this issue. this is why when we see the
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administration back off with these statements about, we wouldn't let them on our military sites. look there's a reason we have these sanctions on iran. the regime was imploding. now we have lifted a lot of the sanctions and what is iran doing? it is basically already overthrown the government in yemen. it is creating problems throughout the region. we want to take a line here where we do actually have one red line and that is that these sanctions aren't coming off immediately and we are going to be with a right to have international inspectors go anywhere any time when they have suspicion that there's bomb work going on. >> two red lines u.s. ss you draw. they may make a deal impossible something the prime minister of israel agrees with. he doesn't want a deal. he talked about it today. here is what he said. >> this deal will pave iran's path to a nuclear arsenal. it will give them a jackpot of hundreds of billions of dollars
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with which to continue to fund their aggression and terror. addressggression in the region terror throughout the world. >> the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee thinks the u.s. should move a deadline for the bill fix some of the problems prolong this process a little bit. this has been going on for more than a year. do you support extending the deadline? >> here is my question on this. throughout this one-year period we have not seen iran change its rhetoric. every day with the morning prayers, it's death to america, death to the great satan, death to the little satan. israel is a one bomb country. if their attitude was changing in the middle of this and we had visible evidence that their goals were changing, but when the ayatollah tells the rank and file it's their responsibility to mass produce icbms we have a problem. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much sir.
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i have been at a rally in iran where they chant death to america. at the same time people would talk to me and be friendly. it was an odd experience. a young woman murdered in a senseless shooting. the alleged shooter an illegal mexican immigrant with a criminal record. donald trump using this as a political talking point. david sweat who broke out of a maximum security prison behind bars behind. we will take you inside the new home. breaking news in newly released documents. we can tell you bill cosby is admitting tonight he got drugs with the intention of giving them to a woman he wanted to seduce. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions. the innovations. all waiting to
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breaking news. a young woman's murder igniting a political fight tonight. donald trump speaking out about the death of katherine steinle. here is what happened to her. as you can see, a lovely young woman. she was shot and killed in san francisco by an undocumented mexican immigrant and convicted eded fell en felon. he had been deported five times. trump is arguing the shooting shows he is right on immigration. he was forced into the united states because they didn't want
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him in mexico. others are blaming friseing san francisco. dan simon is "out front." >> did you shoot kate steinle, the lady down on pier 14? >> yes. >> reporter: this is francisco sanchez confessing to firing the gun that killed 32-year-old kate steinle, walking along this popular san francisco pier with her father steinle was killed last week after a bullet pierced her chest. >> you could feel she was fighting grasping for every breath. >> reporter: no words were exchanged between sanchez and his daughter. authorities called it a random act of violence. >> i have a solace i was with her. but i also have the grief of the thought of the moment she was shot. >> reporter: why the killer was even in the u.s. to fire the fatal round is now subject of a fierce debate. sanchez is an undocumented immigrant and is a seven time convicted felon who had been
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deported to mexico five times. it would have been six, but the san francisco sheriff's department which had been holding him on a drug charge let him go after charges were dropped. why? san francisco is what's called a sanctuary city. it doesn't help federal authorities catch undocumented immigrants. about 300 municipalityies have this designation. san francisco takes it a hardline approach. in the case of sanchez, it released him even though the feds issued a detention request to pick him up. >> a detainer is not a legal instrument. >> reporter: the sheriff defending the policy. >> it makes it safer. we want to build trust with the population. our sangctuary city and other laws have allowed us to do that. >> reporter: tell that to donald trump who seized on the case saying it's "another example of why we must secure our border
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immediately." sanchez says the lure of a paycheck kept him coming to the u.s. >> i'm looking for roofing, landscaping. >> reporter: he says he killed kate by accident. after finding the gun in a t-shirt under a bench. he didn't mean to fire it. though he reportedly told police he was aiming at sea lions. >> sorry for the deadly. >> reporter: he says he popped pills that he found in a dumpster. quite frankly, some of the details in this case are hard to believe. we don't know what the truth is except for the fact that sanchez should not have been in this country. being deported five times was not a deterrent. that's why this case is exhibit a for donald trump and others. back to you. >> it's horrible no matter how you look at it.
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cause us to question a lot of things. thanks, dan simon. congressman, donald trump saying that the arrest of this undocumented mexican immigrant for this -- this is a horrific case. someone deported multiple times ends up killing somebody. there's no way to say this isn't a horrible tragedy and it shouldn't have happened. donald trump says it proves he is right. does it? >> sure it proves he is right about the issue of illegal immigration. it has been debated for so long. the only thing about this is the media attention or even donald trump's attention to a specific country. it's not unique to mexico. this is not an issue of ethnicity. this is an issue of illegal immigration. the president allowed thousands of illegal immigrant criminals who had been arrested for other crimes he let them go a while back. since then i think two years now since he released them all,
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121 of them have committed murders, all illegal imaliens all released. they were not all mexicans. they were a variety. they were cuban, they were el salvador people. it's an illegal immigration issue. it's an open borders problem. yes, donald trump is absolutely right to point that out. >> mike i spoke to donald trump today. he is confident in his comments about mexican immigrants. he is not going to back down. there's no question about that i can tell you it's not going to happen. here he is on this show and others doubling down on this key issue of the use of the word rape. you don't have any regrets? >> some are good. some are rapists. some are killers. there's no apology. what i said is right. what i said is 100% right. women being raped. who is doing the raping? who is doing the raping? the crime israging.
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people don't want to talk about it. if you talk about it, you are a racist. >> does he have a point that to talk about the issues makes you a racist? people are so pc that you can't have conversations without being called that. >> look this is an important debate. i think anyone in the country believes that our immigration system is correct and doesn't need fixing. so we're going to have an immigration debate. the presidential primary will have an immigration debate. how we have that debate really matters. i think the tone matters. i think the words we use matter. when you are communicating to the population you have to be careful that the way you do that comes across in a way so that you are communicating, yes, things need to change but we want to do it in a way that communicates our values and to mexican americans and make them aware that we still care about them. >> paul, donald trump coming in second place in the latest c nn poll as well as others, coming in in iowa coming in two,
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surprising many. how important is this? he has made steinle's name a national name. he has made this story something that we are all talking about. >> of course our hearts break for the family. our country failed her. they failed her family. we should take a look at the issue. i think the political debate is the one we just saw between mike and mr. tancredo. some voters will find this hysterical. mike is trying to reach out to voters which some republicans are trying to do. i did commit research today. i looked it up. i looked up texas, right in the rio grande valley. i've been there a million times. great place. it's right in the tip of the speer. it's on the border with mexico. the crime rate there is lower, significantly, than the crime
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rate in colorado. if all the people are coming over and they are criminals -- i'm sure they have undocumented residents. the crime rate is significantly lower than colorado. mr. trump doesn't want to say that. he is right wing political correct. >> congressman, what's your response? you would expect the first place you would see if there were true would be along the border. >> why? what makes you think they stay at the border? what a ridiculous concept. they come aacross. they don't hang out. they come across the border and come into every single state in the nation. as the gentleman said the fellow they arrested in san francisco, he came here he was looking for a job. they are mostly looking for jobs. you know he is a different face of illegal immigration. he is not the one that the media so likes to present, the valedictorian, the person who
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has been -- was born in the united states but because they were young -- i'm sorry, the person who was brought here by their parents when they were young. this is a different face entirely. it's one that we don't like showing, the media doesn't like showing. it's a real face of illegal immigration. when thousands -- i mean to say thousands of people in this country have been murdered have been raped by people who were here illegally who should have been deported earlier, the number is that high over time, then whose blood really and truly, who has the responsibility for that? isn't it the people who have allowed the borders to remain open? they are as culpable i think as the people who are doing the -- committing the those crimes. it's incredible to me that they can forget about this. they don't stay on the border. >> the congressman making an impassioned case. paul giving statistics different. the gop when it comes to those
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running -- ted cruz defended eded donald trump. let me play it for you. >> i think what he said was wrong. i don't think -- it was inappropriate. >> inappropriate is too weak a word. unpartly ly unfairly denigrated people. >> donald trump does not represent the republican party. >> he is doing this to inflame and insight. >> is that going to work in terms of getting votes? >> i don't think this is a successful strategy. that's what is lost in this is that i don't believe you are going to get the republican nomination by saying things that are offensive to minorities. there's a very small group of people that are going to be okay with that. the vast majority of republican voters are smarter than that. they are smarter than people give them credit for. in fact i think republican voters are looking for a nominee who is going to reach out and appeal to hispanic voters. we need an immigration debate.
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both the other guests have pointed out important facts about that debate. no one believes immigration is fine the way that it is. the republicans are going to nominate somebody who can appeal to latino voters and not say things that are offensive to them. >> thank you very much, all of you. appreciate your time. new details on the new york prison escape. surprising new information about how the prisoners and joyce mitchell planned to kill her husband. bill cosby admitting under oath he gave drugs to at least one woman before having sex with her. we have the documents and two women who have accused bill cosby will be "out front" this hour.
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breaking news. we are learning tonight that joyce mitchell the woman charged with helping two convicted killers escape destroyed key evidence.
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her attorney telling cnn she destroyed pills richard gave her. they were intended to sedate her husband. she was going to give pills to him and richard matt was going to kill him after sweat and matt escaped. as for sweat, he is in a new maximum security prison. he will spend each and every single day in a tiny 105 square foot cell. alexandra field is "out front" tonight. >> reporter: he tunnelled his way to short-lived freedom before a police sergeant took him down. now david sweat will be confined to a cell 25 hours z23 hours a day. the conditions far different from life on the honor block. >> this is unbreakable. tough to break. we tried everything. >> reporter: the maximum
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security facility built in 200 was taughted at the time for his increased ability to segregate disruptive and violent inmates from staff and other inmates. sweat's new home a high security single cell. >> he is wishing the two bullets killed him. >> reporter: eric jensen served time with sweat. he also went to where sweat will be placed the most restricted unit. >> at the back of the cell there's a door. that door is controlled from the control booth. it's a little four foot by eight foot kennel. we called it the dog kennel. go out for your recreation. meals are brought to you. your shower is in your cell in the corner. they control water for you. >> reporter: swell will be in one of 150 cells considered disciplinary. the state-of-the-art prison houses nearly 1,300 of new york's most violent inmates. in 2011 two of them plotted to break out, according to a former representative not corrections
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officers union, who says the plan was thwarted by prison officials. >> they did have a plan to escape. there was a hole in the fence. there were contraband items in the cell aside from the dummies that they worked up to place in the spots. >> reporter: among other high level offenders, david sweat will be closely monitored. the high profile inmate placed on active suicide watch, under 24-hour surveillance. now that david sweat has been transferred to five points prison he will be sublt to a disciplinary hearing. we have spoken to people familiar with the process. they say the penalty can range, it can vary but it could include years of solitary confinement and with that confinement there's often the loss of further privileges like phone use or visitation. >> thank you so much. more on our breaking news the plot to kill joyce mitchell's husband that included
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slipping him pills. lou has been following the breaking details. what have you learned about the pills and how richard matt actually obtained them. >> richard matt had a back problem. the speculation is that he had held on to a couple of these pills. they were sedatives. they were designed to knock out lyle mitchell. and then once richard matt and david sweat emerged from the sewer pipe joyce mitchell was going to drive them over to her home. and as matt phrased it he was going to take care of the glitch. that's how he referred to lyle mitchell. >> now, richard matt that's the one who gave joyce mitchell the pills, they were having an intimate relationship. everyone has talked about the relationship as she was head over heels for him but he was using her. that they would have killed her very quickly into this escape.
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could he have had real feelings for her? >> well it's possible that he had -- he was certainly amorous with her. yes, it's feasible that he may have loved her. but it could have just been on a very animal level. from what i understand he would demand sex from her and she would comply in the secluded area of the prison tailor shop. >> the night of the escape she's supposed to give the pills to her husband. she's supposed to show up at the manhole and drive off with them. she gets cold feet hours before this was supposed to happen before she was supposed to give her husband the pills. you are reporting that was at a chinese restaurant. what happened? >> she and her husband both work at the prison. after their work that day they drove to the only chinese restaurant in the area. she is sitting there. she's looking across at her husband. as my sources have told me she realize that this is d-day and
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she has a sudden crisis of conscience. she's thinking to herself, here is a good man. he has never harmed me. he has always been there for me and i'm going to have him killed in several hours. she decides she's not going through with the plan. >> you report matt lost a lot of weight i mean a lot, to pull off the escape. how did he do that? there was a specific reason? >> yeah. when they finally -- over the weeks when they went into the guts of the prison, down the catwalk and into the tunnels, they found that old, unused steam pipe. they cut it open. it's two feet in diameter. matt has this back problem. that's probably how he got the medication. he is 40 to 50 pounds overweight. he is not going to fit. he goes on this crash diet. prison officials suspect that he went on the diet in order to lose the weight to fit through the pipe to crawl through the pipe to freedom. >> according to joyce mitchell
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they were -- she had shown up at the manhole, they were going to drive for seven hours. right? to a predetermined location which you are saying was west virginia virginia? >> it would have been a little more than seven hours. david sweat knew of a secluded place in the wilds of west virginia where they would camp. they told joyce to bring her car packed with sleeping bags tents, a fishing pole. if she could get ahold of her husband's shotgun, if he had one, to bring that along. they were going to cool their heels in west virginia until the coast was clear and then head to mexico. >> lou, thank you very much. all that breaking news from the buffalo news. >> thank you for having me. the breaking news at this hour. court document made public. bill cosby testifying under oath he drugged at least one woman to have sex with her. this is a major development. he has denied this again and again and again. we will speak with one of
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now breaking news. revelations about bill cosby tonight. the comedian admitting in a deposition that he obtained quaaludes, a drug with the intent of giving the quaaludes to young women that he wanted to have sex with. according to documents, cosby admitting to giving the sedative to at least one woman. by cnn's count, over decades at least 20 women have gone public with accusations against bill cosby. he has never been criminally charged. this is pretty stunning. over the past six months, this has blown up 20 accusers that we know of and now this. >> reporter: it started unraveling a little while ago. we want to say cosby has long denied the charges he drug and sexually assaulted more than a dozen women who have spoken out against him. the number cnn has is 20. in court papers unsealed because of efforts by the associated press, those public documents are publically available. bill cosby does admit in a
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deposition in 2005 and 2006 to giving quaaludes to at least one woman. in the painpers cosby says he got seven prescriptions for quaaludes. he wanted the quaaludes to give them to woman he wanted to have sex with. "you gave them to other people?" "yes "yes." was it in your mind you would use the quaaludes for young women you wanted to have sex with? the answer yes. the woman at the center of the lawsuit did settle for an undisclosed amount of money. in the beginning, she didn't want money. she wanted an apology and to know the kinds of drugs that she was being given, according to these now public documents as part of this deposition. this happened about ten years ago. it's the first time that we are hearing about this connection
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between bill cosby and quaaludes. >> there's a lot of this is shocking to a lot of people because he has been denying this so so acutely over the past six months. you talk about seven prescriptions for the drug. you talk about specifically there was the adjective young in front of the word women. young women, plural -- there was one involved in the case but they used plural women and seven prescriptions. what can we interpret? >> what we read from the documents is that in one particular case the lawyer for the young woman, the alleged victim questions him about a national enquirer article. in the article, he acknowledges that he reached out to the magazine and got them to change the story after reading what was in it to make it seem as if he was the one who was the victim and not the young woman who was making the allegations. this is a different woman that he is accused of doing this to.
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in another incident he tells the lawyer who he is being questioned by that he doesn't remember being in a car with a young woman who alleged that he gave her coffee with medication or something in it that knocked her out. then she, too, was sexually molested. there's a pattern. that's what this lawsuit really makes clear, that it was to show that he was having interactions with young women. again, we want to be very clear. we reached out to bill cosby on this story. we reached tout him ded out to him in the past. he denied the allegations. this is a deposition he gave while under oath. it carries more weight. it was the efforts by the associated press who really made these documents public. it's 200 pages. >> thank you very much. 200 pages, we will bring that to you. i want to go -- bring in on the phone one of cosby's accusers who says he drugged and raped her decades ago. victoria, i spoke with her in december.
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thank you for getting on the phone, talking to us. you met bill cosby in los angeles. you were a playboy bunny at the time. he offers you a pill to try to make you feel better. when you hear this reporting, what goes through your mind? >> caller: my god, i just -- i am so overwhelmed that this has come out at long last. at last we are being validated and there is vindication. thank you, thank you, god. i just -- i have been jumping up and down. i didn't know whether to laugh or cry. i just can't believe that this is finally opening -- opening up and we are being validated. validated finally. there's 49 of us. 49 of us who have gone public and many more who are still afraid to have their names
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published. >> so victoria what will you do now? >> caller: i have no idea. i don't know. have a glass of champagne. i don't know. i'm just -- i'm just so -- it's the last thing i expected to hear. i really -- i was just kind of expecting it was going to continue to go on with more women coming out and him just slipping away pretending to be feeble and senile and once more our claims getting swept under the carpet. this is fantastic. fantastic. this has opened the door for all of us to speak out against rape culture in our society, just because someone is famous and wealthy and powerful does not
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mean he gets away with it. he doesn't get to drug and rape women. we don't have to live with the shame and the blame. oh my god, you know silence is a rapist's greatest weapon. >> victoria you know what you are saying is so poignant. i know obviously, from the situation that you are in you are dealing with a statute of limitations. it's not that you are able to do something personally yourself right? you are talking about this has changed things it has changed hopefully the world in the way the things are handled. my question to you is what's the right punishment for him now? what would be the appropriate punishment? >> caller: you know, i'm not the one to judge. you know i will leave that to the courts. whatever happens there -- but i think, you know the court of
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public opinion is going to be a huge shift in the fact that he cannot get away with it any longer. you know i don't know. prison? would it matter at this point? who knows. i don't know. i mean is that going to change the damage that has been done to all of us over years? it's not just us. you know it's the trickle down to our children and their children. i have daughters who were never allowed to watch "the cosby show," who because of my personal issues bouncing off of that kind of thing, you know it affected their lives. they have children. so it winds up being a generational trickle down. their relationships, my relationships, you know? it's like the pebble you drop in a pond of water and all of those
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ripples that spread out. you cannot imagine what shore they're going to reach. >> victoria i appreciate begin to reach and -- i really appreciate it. i know you are -- you know sort of hard to put words to what you are feeling right now. i proosh youappreciate you coming on and talking to us so quickly after, deeply shocking though of course something you celebrate. thank you very much. next on the breaking news bill cosby's admission he used drugs to have sex at least with a woman. we'll be right back.
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and buy a second pair with xperio uv polarized sun lenses. visit transitions.com to learn more. back with our breaking news bombshell about bill cosby with the court documents now. the ap fighting and fighting to have these resolved. a closed deposition. now it is not closed. what we have found out is the comedian admitted under oath he obtained drugs to give to young women he wanted to have sex with. admitting he requested seven prescriptions for quaaludes. out front now, tom mezzero. this is a big thing. seven prescriptions. admitted using them with intent of getting young will tine haveomen
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to have sex with him. >> don't know if the quotes have been taken out of context. i don't know if any of us have seen the full transcript of the deposition, were other questions asked, done in a consensual way, did the women understand what was going on did they request it? >> in the '70s and '80s, men were giving drugs to women, women giving drugs to men. both were consenting. >> you don't think it's clear cut. just talking to an accuser. her view this is vindicated her decade long shame she felt she says because of bill cosby raping her. you don't thing it is that clear cut? >> no. i would look to cross-examine her on when this happened. where it happened. what her motives were. how long she knew him. what she wanted to do. what she consented to. that kind of thing. >> what happens now. could he serve jail time? in her case obviously statute of limitations have run out that's the case with most accusers. >> that certainly seems to be
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the fact. why is everybody coming out at this late stage. so many of the women who came out appeared to me to have ulterior motive for being with him. i mean this is not just a one-sided event. there is a context. there are complex motives involved. i don't think we have all the facts. >> all right, tom, thank you very much. of course they're going now through the 200 pages of documents in that deposition. we'll be back with more on this breaking news.
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thank you for joining us. be sure to set your dvr to record out front. watch us any time, anywhere. back here tomorrow night same time. and "ac 360" starts now. thank you for joining us. a lot to get to two hours on the air. tonight for the very first time after so many allegations from so many women, we can report that bill cosby himself has admitteded to obtaining drugs, drugs known for erasing memory for women he intended to have sex with. knowledge of the admission comes not from sources however reliable they may be but from mr. cosby himself from records of testimony he himself gave in a case he settled out of court which we have just now obtained. randi kaye has been reading the documents and joins us now with details. randi what have you learned? >> what we are learning tonight. bill cosby testified in