random woman comes up attacks you and kisses you on both cheeks. amal shook her hair back and laughed. that takes real class and presence. thank you for joining us. set your dvr to record "out front." watch us any time any place. we'll be back here tomorrow night. and "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thank you for joining us. we go on one-on-one with donald trump. billionaire businessman turned reality star presidential candidate unlike any we have seen. since entering the race he has dominated the field, defining the discussion and forcing all other gop candidates to take him seriously. a recent cnn poll found him second to jeb bush when it comes to republicans' choice for president. 19% for bush. 12% for trump. with the rest of the gop field in single digits. over the next hour you will hear what trump has to say about his opponents, why he wants to in his words, bomb the hell out of the oil field of iraq and not backing down on his controversial comments about illegal immigrants. unlike a lot of politicians,

trump arrived for this interview today not surrounded by advisers but pretty much on his own. and nothing was off-limits. i started off asking him about hillary clinton. >> why do you think hillary clinton is not talking? >> anderson, she has a lot to hide. she gets a subpoena on e-mails from the united states congress and gets rid of the e-mails and her server and everything gone. >> she said yesterday in the interview she didn't get a subpoena. >> they said they issued a subpoena. you are right. she handled it like what is going on? how can you do that? she has a lot to hide. she doesn't want to talk to the press. look, she was the worst secretary of state in the history of the united states. >> but you used to donate gave a lot of money to her over the years? >> sure i was a businessman. guess i still am. i was with everybody.

everybody loved me. when i called them they always treated me well. that's part of the game. that's part of what's wrong with this country. because as a businessman i could have gotten anything from anybody. and that is part of the problem. lobbyists, donors special interests. >> is that why you were donating money to people you donated to? you donated to democrats in 2006. $20,000 to the democratic congressional campaign fund. >> and republican. >> thousand to the republicans. >> i have given millions. i have given millions to everybody. >> do you give though based on principles or give based on who is going to do thing for you politically? >> they all love me that's way. let's put it that way. >> part of problem. i talk about it all the time. i'm saying this. they won't necessarily do what's right for the country. they'll do what's right for their special interests, their

donor, their lobbyists, etc. not good for the country. >> you know when you get on the stage during the debates and your republican challengers are going to say look you are all over the place politically. you say you are a conservative republican. you are giving money to hillary clinton, harry reid nancy pelosi. >> i give mun neboney to everybody. >> you weren't giving money on political beliefs but currying favor. >> people love me. you know what i have been very successful. everybody loves me. >> politically they're going to say you are a flip-flopper politically. you say a republican you were a republican independent, democrat eight years. then unaffiliated. >> you have to look at what ronald reagan did. not so much different. >> he switched around. >> people say you are the guy, stand up guy, decision maker, you seem to be indecisive politically. >> you have to understand. i am in new york city. it is virtually impossible in

new york city. look 3 to 1, democrats to republicans. virtually impossible. as a businessman in new york city and all over the world. as a businessman in new york city i have to get along with democrats if i don't get along with democrats i'm out of business. >> were you a democrat? >> i was a democrat for a period of time early on. independent. then i became a republican. >> got to ask you about the news "washington post" as you know say some of the workers building this beautiful hotel that you are building down in washington, d.c. are illegal. they talked to 15 workers. they said a number of the 15 came here illegally through asylum they're now legal. a number said they're illegal. isn't it hypocritical for you saying illegal immigration is killing this country to be employing illegal immigrants? >> i read the story. by the way that story does not name any names. love them if they could give us names. they said they speck to oneoke to one or two. they didn't name them. >> what they say, several of the

men from el salvador honduras guatemala, earned legal status through programs targeting central americans, fleeing civil wars natural disasters, others acknowledge they remain in the country illegally. they don't give names. they're not going to give you names. >> they have to give us the names. i have to say this we believe so strongly. i hired a very big contractor. one of the most prestigious and best in the world to build the building. it's their responsibility to make sure. >> doesn't the buck stop with you though? >> yes it does. >> your's paying their salary. >> absolutely. we have gone out of our way to make sure that everybody in that building is legal. and we do have some that were that became legal. wait a minute. we have some many i think that became frankly, me you, everybody. ultimately we were all sort unfortunate in the group of immigrants. right, but we have done that to the absolute letter of the law. we're very very careful. >> "the washington post" can go there and talk to 15 people and find some illegal immigrants.

>> they haven't shown us anything. wish they would give us names. we'll get them out immediately. >> must have a job on the website. >> more than one guy. we check it probably more carefully than any job that was ever built. anderson you have either 11 anywhere from 11 to 34 million illegal immigrants in this country. they're all over the place. nobody knows even where they come from. they probably come some from the middle east. you don't know where they're coming from. we check on that building probably more carefully than any body that's ever built a building before. and i think from what i heard. i just checked it this morning. i asked the question. i read the article also. we are absolutely in beautiful perfect shape. now, i wish they would give us the names. we would get rid of them the immediately. >> this isn't the first time this has been an issue. daily beast, article. the headline says they're talking about the building we are sitting in right now. they're saying trump tower was built on undocumented immigrant backs. >> how many years ago was that?

>> '75. >> 35 years ago. they said 35 years age. >> 200 illegal immigrants. polish workers. >> anderson i hire a can tractor. the contractor then hires the subcontractor. they have people. i don't know i don't remember that was so many years ago. 35 years ago they said we had. >> court case settled in 1999. >> that's all right. that's fine. i remember the case frankly. i remember it very well. we hired contractors. the contractor very highly prestigious, very good contractor they go out hire subcontractors. some times the subcontractors will have people working but you know it's pretty far down the line. >> this was 200 polish workers working without hard hats. pretty noticeable on a union job. >> anderson when you have to go back 35 yerz toars, i think that's pretty pathetic to be honest. >> can you guarantee you don't have illegal or undocumented workers working on hotel projects or various projects? >> i can't guarantee it.

how can anyone. we have 34 million. used to hear 11 now 34 million. i can't guarantee anything. i can say this we work very hard to make sure everybody is legal as opposed to illegal. >> there is as you say, 11 million, who knows how many millions. 11 million. >> nobody knows. most scary of all, our government doesn't know. they didn't have an idea. they didn't have a clue. >> what would you do with ones already here? you talked about building a great wall or parts of the border about being tough. what would you do with the ones already here? >> i would do something very very strong. number one i wouldn't think about anything until i built a wall. impenetrable. there will be nobody coming na this country illegally. that's number one. number two, i will get ones that are criminals, drug dealers, and the people that are forced in by mexico and you know exactly what i am talking abut because aging aabout mexico is sharper, more cunning, and have much better negotiators than we

have. get ones forced in by the country of mexico into our country. forcinged in they would get out and get out fast. the rest i would be looking at seriously. >> when you say looking at seriously would there be a pathway to citizenship. talking 11 million at the least. >> it is too early for me to say. when you say citizenship. the most we would be talking about is legal. let me tell you before i even think about that. we have to build a, we have to build a wall. a real wall. not a wall that people walk through. >> when you talk about focussing on the criminals, deporting people. more people have been deported under obama than any other president previously. >> and mr. people are coming in under obama, by any president ever. there has never been an entrance like this. they're walking in. they're walking right past our patrols. the patrols are telling them. [ indiscernible ] >> i can just say this. more people are in this country right now illegally than ever before. i will build a better wall for cheaper. and mexico will pay if that's

your question. >> how do you get mexico to pay? >> they are ripping us left and right. by the way i love the mexican people. many mexican people work for me. many mexico people i do business with. purchase things from me. apartments, i have great relationships with mexico and with the mexican people. i love the mexican people. i love their spirit. but let me tell you, mexico is making an absolute fortune. because the trade deals with the united states are phenomenal for them. and horrible for us. they're taking our jobs. they're building factories, warehouses they're build things we are not even thinking about. >> renegotiate trade deals and in that put in a price for the wall. >> absolutely. they will diet. i have watched these stupid pundits say you can't do that. of course you can diet. i can diet. hillary can't do it. jeb can't do it. the people running most can't diet. maybe a couple of them. i have a respect for a couple of them. hillary can not diet. i guarantee you. jeb bush cannot do it.

i can do it easily. mexico is making a fortune off the united states. they will pay for that wall. believe me. >> we are going to have more of the interview. quick fact check. mr. trump said there are more people in the country illegally than ever before. the number dropped by a million from its peak. that's not all donald trump had to say about illegal immigration. much more to come. next. >> if somebody is an illegal immigrant they shouldn't beep here at all. there shouldn't be any crime. they're not supposed to be in our country. i'm not just talking mexico. our eyes...they have a 200-degree range of sight. which is good for me hey! ... and bad for the barkley twins. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. now with our most vitamin d three ever. ugh! heartburn! no one burns on my watch!

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illegal immigration. [ indiscernible ] they're sending people with lots of problems. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime and their rapists. >> how did you start it off? you said when mexico sends its people. when mexico. i'm talking about the government. excuse me. >> what evidence do you have that the government send their? >> everybody knows it. this man or this animal that shot the wonderful, that beautiful woman in san

francisco, this guy was pushed out by mexico. we bring them back and they push them out. mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals that are drug dealers. >> so if -- if the article that you are basing this on this fusion article. >> one of many articles. that talks about 80% rapes. that's not it. look at homeland security reports. look at all of the reports. >> there are, you talk about, there are reports. i got to look at a bunch of studies here say there is no correlation between illegal immigration and crime. and that in fact immigrants actually commit crimes at a lower number? >> anderson you are not a baby. you are not a baby. they're causing tremendous problems. in terms of crime, in terms of murder in terms of rape. >> two studies. north western university cited by the"the washington post" says no correlation between illegal immigration and violent crime.

pew, using figures, the crime rate among first generation immigrants those who came to the country from some where else significantly loper than the crime rate of the second generation. >> if someone is an illegal immigrant. they're not supposed to been our country. not just mexico. they're coming from all over the word. i'm not just talking about mexico. >> central america as well. >> and you're probably talking about the middle east and talking about other places. the southern border is a disaster. i'm speaking this weekend in arizona. they say the crowd is going to be enormous. somebody said i am the most popular person in arizona because i am speaking the truth. those people are living with it. when i look at rick perry he talks about the border he did a terrible job with the border. he was governor of texas. he could have done a much better job than he did. he did a terrible job. >> you don't believe the studies. there is a correlation -- >> even if the studies were correct. not talking about correlation.

when you have illegal immigrants coming in if they commit crime they're not supposed to be here. >> you did indicate that the people coming across the border were raping 80% of the women -- >> you are putting things. read the article. did you pull up the article? >> i did. i pulled up the article. >> it was written by fusion you know who owns fusion? >> univision. >> you know who i am suing. univision. they have a big problem with my lawsuit. let me just tell you something, univision comes out like i am some bad person. univision is being, being sued by me the thing that they own as fusion and they're talking about 80% raipz.pes. >> in the article. corrupt officials. traffickers, gangs. and migrants. inside mexico. >> whatever it is. what i said before it is called rape. it is rape. it is happening. it is a shape. it's horrible. >> so you stand by your comments? >> i stand by whatever i read from univision. univision did it. i didn't do it.

>> joining me now is cnn chief national correspondent john king host of inside politics and more of the interview coming up. cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. on illegal immigration how big a deal donald trump says he can't guarantee illegal immigrants don't work for businesses or construction sites, nobody can guarantee that. how much does that open up to allegations of hypocrisy. and he said they do more on that side to try to eliminate any illegal immigrants? >> it does open him up to challenges of hypocrisy. interesting to see if any body in the republican field goes after him or from outside. also you get to the question he is the guy he says i am running i am a businessman, i make smart decisions anybody does stupid things, i fire. he thinks any body that worked in the government 25 years is stupid. he said when you asked him, challenged him. i hire a contractor. subcontractor, i guess these things happen you. are either the boss the businessman who doesn't hire

stupid people or the boss or businessman who hired somebody who did things against the law. so it is it is interesting, as this plays out, anderson. a fascinating conversation. when you challenge him on the facts he blames somebody else or comes up with conspiracy thery. whether that has legs over the long term is the big question. most people who have watched politics for a long time think it won't last. >> interesting, gloria. he said. pointed to the daily beast article released to day about this court case he was involved with 200 illegal immigrants from poland were used to clear the land that the trump tower is built on 35 years age he said it is pathetic to bring it up. so far ago. during a debate that's the kind of thing. he is running for president. he is in a different category. they went after mitt romney for -- >> landscapers. >> landscapers. right. they went after him, after mitt romney because somebody who was in charge of the landscaping on his property hired somebody who was an illegal immigrant. to take care of the yard.

stow when you so when you are running for president it is of a different ball game. and donald trump should understand that. i think he is beginning to understand it. because when you seek the high highest office in the land. everything your records will be poured through. whether 35 years ago or 3 years ago. i think he is doing that to his fellow republicans talking about their previous record calling hillary clinton the worst secretary of state in history then saying he donated to her campaign. you know these are questions that he has to answer. and by the way, anderson i think he has to have a better answer on the hillary clinton question. why he donated to her campaign. it was just part of the game. i was just plague theying the game. people dent like that game very much. >> his point he is both critical of the game but also says essentially i was playing the game. he at least kind of points out the discrepancy there.

that's a conflict. >> well he points out one of the things that everybody hates about politics. the average joe out there thinks big business or big rich people or big donors get together and get the meetings with the senator, white house staff, get access to the president. and the average joe doesn't. he says that is just the game. and conceding he plays it. so again you can raise the question of, you know, are you a hypocrite or now a reformed sinner? that's one he is going to have to answer. again it's when you challenge him on facts. he pushes back. he says you are no baby anderson. you are no baby anderson and did your research and come to him with the facts. the fact that the number of border crossings is down. most say that is not break through in border security mostly because the mexican economy is doing better so people are staying. i've spoke to several atoerns general, including california who say that to your point, that the percentage of and number one she criticized the heinous crime in san francisco said it was horrible. but by percentage she says

especially violent crime committed by the undocumented is way down. tiny statistic. this is a horrible case. statistically it is very low. when you press him on that heap just challenges you or questions your credibility as opposed to addressing what are known as facts. >> gloria i will say talking to donald trump is different than talking to any different politician out there. he does. again he showed up basically on his own. he is not there with adviser telling him you got to wrap it up. you know you got to have these talking points. he does seem very much his own person. whether you agree with him or not. he is not giving you compare to the interview hillary clinton gave other politicians might give. they don't want to necessarily come out with any real position. he very much whether you like the positions or not. he at least seems to take them. >> he engages. that's he is not talking from a set of talking points that somebody else has written for him. clear he reads what he reads comes up with talking points. by the way anderson he speaks

to a certain segment of the base of the republican party to which his sort of brash demeanor and his i'm telling it like it is appeal, appeals to them. and you know republicans have to pay attention to that. because he does have an appeal in the republican party in the primaries in which they're running. >> no doubt. look at the polls. gloria. thank you. john king stay with us. more of my interview with donald trump ahead. up next he doesn't care about the backlash on his immigration comments. does he care about the price tag? how much has this cost you? >> a lot. cost me a lot. >> can you put a dollar figure on the loss? >> a lot of money. fortunately i am very rich. it doesn't matter. does it matter no. of what matters is making america great again.

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more of my conversation with donald trump. you know his comments about illegal mexican immigrants have cost him a lot. repercussions from nbc, univision, beauty pageants macy's nascar and the list goes on. and should point out not just talking about mexican illegal immigrants also from central

america. he said today and in the past he is very rich and doesn't seem to care or know what the backlash adds up to from a dollars and cents standpoint. take a look. how much has this cost you? >> a lot. oh it cost me a lot. >> can you put a dollar figure on the loss? >> a lot of money. fortunately i am very rich. it doesn't matter to me. does it matter no? what matters is making america great >> you don't have a dollar figure. costing you x amount. >> it is sort of funny. big headline. trump loses nascar. you know what they were doing, renting a ballroom from me one night. banquet hall. they left a deposit. now i have it rented to somebody else. >> small potatoes? >> fortunately it is not big for me. espn breaks up with trump all over the world. separate stories. headlines. espn -- they rented by golf course in los angeles for a day. 120, 200 golfers or something. i kept their deposit which was

very nice of them. now i have other people using it. i get two for the price of one. the point is, the press is so dishonest. people here nascar espn break. here is the good news. i am very rich. i built an unbelievable company. the money you are talking about is a lot. it's peanuts for me. still a lot. more expensive than a campaign would cost. >> some one in your organization told me the lawsuit against univision. if you win that you can fund your campaign with the univision deal. >> they owe me a lot of money. a contract. a binding contract. i am very good at contracts. i do that very well. unlike our country. i do contracts very well or i wouldn't be shirgtitting here talking to you. to this day they haven't sent me. i have a five year binding contract. signed in january, not long ago five six months ago, signed. they made their first payment. no termination right, zero. they went to the press they said they're going to terminate. now the problem is they terminated before their ipo.

how stupid is that? the head of univision frankly should be fired. they terminate before. they know i have a major claim. so i sue them. and now they have a lot of problems. >> let me ask you -- i said you have been vocal in the media. accessible. on twitter. there was a tweet that caused you problems that was rescinded. a retweet about jeb bush's wife. you said the original tweet said jeb bush has to like the mexican illegals because of his wife. some one else said that. you retweeted that. did you authorize that? >> i didn't authorize it. i don't regret anything. it was a retweet, wasn't me. if you look carefully, a retweet of a story, a very good story, a very strong story, good story, fair story. but do i regret -- no i don't regret it. look i would say that he would, if my wife were from mexico, i think i would have a soft spot for people from mexico. i can understand that. >> you think that influences his

position on illegal imization. >> i think it could, maybe it should. if he loves his wife. i hear she is a lovely woman by the way. if he loves his wife and she is from mexico i think it has an influence on him. yes. i can understand that. >> coming up more my interview with donald trump. his strategy for defeating isis in iraq. would you send u.s. troops? >> i would do things that would be so tough that i don't even know if they would be around to come to the table. >> what sort of things? >> i would take away their wealth. i would take away the oil. what you should be doing now is taking away the oil.

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pietrue to form he was never at a loss for word no matter what i asked. we'll let you be the judge of his actual answers. among the many statements he made since announcing his candidacy, he said nobody would be tougher on isis than he would. but he hasn't given a lot of details about that. so i tried to pin him down on specifics to explain in detail what his strategy against isis would be. take a look. i want to ask you about isis.

you said nobody would be tougher on isis than donald trump. >> nobody. >> what would be your strategy? >> the situation with isis has to be dealt firmly and strongly. when you have people being beheaded. i would love not to be over there. that's not our fight. that's other people's fight. that's revolutions whatever you want to call it religious wars. i would do thing that would be so tough that i don't even know if they would be around to come to the table. >> what sort unfortunate things though? >> i would take away their wealth. i would take away the oil. what you should be doing now is taking away the oil. >> what does that mean? >> bomb them. i tell you what i hate about this question. if i win if i win. i didn't want to answer this question. i thought maybe i could go without answering it. if you look at the great general george patton general macarthur, i was a fan of any general. they didn't talk about what they did. i said i hate if you remember i said i have a plan i don't want to talk about it. everyone said he doesn't really

have a plan. i had to do it. but i hate talking about it. because if i win they know i'm going to do it. if i win i would attack those oil sites controlled and owned, they're controlled by isis. they're taking tremendous money out. they are renovating a hotel in iraq. can you believe that? >> wouldn't you be destroying the wealth of iraq? >> there is no iraq. there is no iraq. there are no iraqis. they're built into so many different factions. >> you don't think bombing iraqi oil field in the control of isis bombing iraqi oil fields is going to anger huge numbers of people. >> i would bomb the hell out of the oil fields. i wouldn't send troops. you won't need them by the time i got finished. bomb the hell out of the oil field. get exxon, great oil companies, they would rebuild them so fast. excuse me. you ever see how fast they put up rigs. these guys are unbelievable. go exxon mobile. top five oil companies. they would be in there. finished so fast. >> didn't you need u.s. troops

to protect the oil companies. >> yes, put a ring around them. put a ring. you just taken all of the wealth away. this is what should be done. no politician is going to do that. >> joining me now, cnn political commentator, anna navaro, jeb bush supporter and adviser. bill crystal, editor and political commentator, paul begala co-chair of of a hillary clinton super pac. anna donald trump saying in one breath that jeb bush is weak on immigration then says bush's wife is from mexico and that may be influences him or probably influences him. that's is that personal territory? is that political? >> i have no idea. it's donald trump-speak which really is such incoherent discourse i have a very hard time analyzing it and responding to it. i really give you a hell of a lot of credit for maintaining a straight face in trying to conduct an in the view as if you

were doing it with a normal person. i think anyone watching that can see he goes beyond logical discourse. >> bill crystal, you have said a good thing that trump's voice is part of this republican cycle. you are not initially a fan of his. his opponents treat him with disdane at their own peril. when you hear him saying there is no iraq there are no iraqis bomb the hell out of the oil field. its that a serious contender? >> he probably won't be the nominee. he is irresponsible in the things he says. some times says distasteful things. on the other hand there is something impressive about what he says a certain kind of common sense we should be talking strong. what he he is ridiculed by the mainstream media. i give you a lot of credit for pretending to be disapproving of him. and enjoyed the interview. and found him more interesting than any politician you interviewed. >> i enjoy talking to him. >> you have done a great job. gloria john king being serious. he should learn some things about politics you can't get away with this.

he knows what he is doing. end of the day. the republican party is a big tent. plenty of room for donald trump and politician that will disapprove of what donald trump says and distinguish themselves from him. i much prefer the republican field with donald trump than watching hillary clinton's in the view last night, boring platitudes typical politician. the republicans have interesting people. >> let me ask you, hillary clinton wouldn't say which actress on "saturday night live" she would like doing an immigration of her better or who should be on what bill or what bill it should be. is there something good for the republican party that you have donald trump, you know at least taking positions whether, you think they're ludicrous or not? >> i think it is great. i don't know what any good for the republican party. i think it's great. >> great for the democrats. >> done aldald trump is a gift to the democrats, and late night comics we are having a trumpgasm. hate that i am taking time out

of your interview. the face of the republican party. the voice of the republican party. the hair of the republican party. a lot of the voters look like him. the best thing. >> this is paul's desperate attempt to whistle past the graveyard. they have a horrible candidate they're coronating. and trying to pretend that donald trump is a problem. >> is it going to matter in october? >> no. >> i want more trump. >> paul paul. >> anna. >> go ahead. >> out of all the candidates running the only one sitting at the front pew of the third wedding, hillary clinton, the one he gave $100,000 to her clinton family foundation was hillary clinton, the one that got political donations, maxed out political denations s donations from donald trump. i believe he is a democrat mole. hillary clinton mole frying to do harm to the republican party. >> of the candidates you support are all having to react to donald trump. he whether you think he is ridiculous or not.

he has in many ways defined the debate. >> you are right, anderson. i am glad that they have stood up and condemned what he said. i am glad jeb bush find it personally offensive. i frankly am very disappointed the only words hillary clinton could come up with to talk about what donald trump said very disappointed. very disappointed is what you are when your new puppy pees on the carpet. what donald trump said was offensive. it was disgusting. it was racist. it was wrovenlgtng misinformed. you would think the democrat presumptive nominee could come up with stronger words than very disappointed to describe it. >> bill, be clear if donald trump is on that debate stage and no reason to believe he is number two in the poles he earned a place there. paul says it's good for the democratic party. you say it's good for the republican party. why is it good for the republican party, because it allows the other candidates to define themselves in his reflection and sort of show themselves as different as him?

or because it shows the breadth and the vigorous debate? >> i think it is a big tent. people like donald trump will be happy. the people who don't like donald trump will be happy, distance themselves from trump. one reason i do like it. i am not pro-trump. slightly anti-trump. so sick of the establishment types being so earnest in disdaining him. it serves the republican party right, debate ten people excluding minor candidates, and others might get excluded. set this up. tried to control everything. set of the situation who've will dominate the debate. i suspect donald trump. it serves the others right. puts pressure on jeb bush and scott walker and marco rubio, people i like and respect to have something to say. if they get up there and are platitudeness politicians they will look pale compared to trump. >> paul, again, donald trump has given a ton of interviews. hillary clinton has given her

first national one yesterday. do you think -- is he upstaging her? why? why isn't she coming forward and -- talking. it does seem -- surprising no? >> she is talking a lot just not to national media except cnn. >> talking to small groups of people. >> right. she is already famous. and hillary i'm sure she has an ego. she doesn't have an ego like donald. >> she is going town to town person to person. giving interviews to iowa new hampshire journalists, cnn. that's fine. what trump is doing, he is a very smart guy. he is channelling the id of the republican base voter. and bill is right he is going to get up on the stage. republicans are going to watch this. they're not knot going to want the fancy jeb bush pelligrino or

marco rubio water, they want the donald trump crazy water. >> they want the bernie sanders -- >> hillary clinton doesn't seem to be debating. when is the democratic debate happening, paul? >> seriously anderson. wouldn't you look to have bernie sanders and hillary clinton up on the stage. >> i would look to have anybody. >> i want a donald trump show network. put republican under his name. voice of the republican party. >> former democrat. >> thank you. more of my interview with trump ahead. asked him what he would do if he doesn't get the republican nomination? >> you rule out the idea of running as independent, third party candidate if you don't get the gop nomination? >> everybody asks me to do it. i have had so many people say would you run as an independent. run as a third party candidate? i think, they see the votes i get a lot of votes. do you like the passaaadd? it's a good looking car. this is the model rear end event. the model year end sales event. it's year end!

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at his command and turning over edward snowden he kids a traitor. former attorney general holder said the other day perhaps a plea deal could be in the works. he said snowden spurred a necessary debate. what would you do about snowden? >> i think he is a total traitor. i would deal with him hashly. if i was president, putin would give him over. i have dealt with russia. i think i get along with him fine. i think he would be absolutely fine. he would never keep somebody like snowden in rush yeah. he hates obama. he doesn't respect obama. obama doesn't like him either. he has no respect for obama. has a hatred for obama. and snowden is living the life. look if that -- if i'm president, putin says hey, boom you're gone. i guarantee you. >> i think i know the answer would you accept ape vice presidential question if it didn't work out for you as president. you are doing great right now. >> i'm doing -- it's not that i wouldn't. it's a phenomenal position. you know, i think it's a very powerful position.

it's not for me. i love what i am doing. i would rather be doing this. i am not doing this to be president. i am doing this to make america great again. >> you rule out the idea of running as independent party candidate or third party candidate if for some reason you don't get the gop nomination? >> everybody asks me to do it. i had so many people say would you run as an independent. would you run as a third party candidate. they seat kind of votes. i get a lot of votes. the best way of defeating the democrats and probably hillary, i think it is going to be hillary is to run as a republican. if i do the third party thing it would be very bad for the republicans. i think it would be very bad in terms of beating the democrats. he have to win. >> george h.w. bush points to ross perot, as the the reason he didn't get elected. you don't want to beep ross perot. >> ross perot, had he not been there you would have never heard of bill clinton. you would have never heard. in my opinion bush would have gotten almost 100% of the votes.

i actually spoke to bill clinton once. no no split 50/50. no. smart thing for him to say. no way. had ross perot not run you would never have heard of bill clinton. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> with me chief national correspondent, john king host of inside politics, and chief political analyst gloria borger. interesting he dent close the door on a third party run. long way out. the idea of it must concern republicans? >> yes it concerns republicans. but he understand the perot experience. hard for a third party candidate to win. however the reason trump is doing well in the republican party, second place, getting so much attention, there is a disgust with politics in america in both parties. there is this opportunity for an independent candidacy. it costs a lot. he has the money. is he the right guy? not sure. if i could turn to one thing he said. a lot of what he says that just makes you shake your head. he thinks he is elected.

china will revalue the currency. donald trump says. mexico will pay for the wall. donald trump says so. he said, putin would turn over snow snowden. i would get along with putin. don't know if voters would like that. putin seized territory in georgia and ukraine. that's a guy you want to get along with. >> can i point out to one thing he said to you, he would invade iraq. period. i mean. >> he said he would bomb the hell out of the oil fields. send in exxon, couple oil companies and send in troops to form a ring around them. >> exactly. sort of sound like invading iraq to me. if i were a republican candidate i would thin ache lot of them have been shy they didn't want to light a match under donald trump. i think we are kind of past that point right now. if i were jeb bush whose voters by the way are probably not trump voters why not use donald trump as a foil right now. say wait a minute. you want to attack iraq? >> trump is strong on jeb bush saying jeb bush spent days

trying to come up with an answer for whether. trump says all along he was always against an invasion of iraq. >> but now, now the, he is saying invade iraq. what jeb said was if i, you know it was a mistake eventually. >> i don't understand on his iraq thing, is if you bomb the oil field of iraq you are going to -- i mean turn everybody in iraq against you. he says there is no iraq. there are no iraqis. >> or you are going to kill. or you are going to kill thousand of civilians if you just bomb the oil field. there is going to be collateral damage. to the point there are, as he says yes, he is right about a lot of factional sectarian violence, grief, separation in iraq and political system is dysfunctional. he says exxon will rush in to build the oil fields and put a ring around them. the ring u.s. troops. if not nation building. business building in a sovereign nation. it's just frank underwood said

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