sessions where everyone gets together. we will hear secretary kerry articulate that position. what will he feel has been xlisht and more to the point does he tell us there are still key political decisions to be made by iran? that's the test of the measure of what he's been able to accomplish so far. i expect something on those lines we'll hear shortly, brianna. >> and, jim, it seems like shuttle diplomacy today. i have secretary kerry meeting with his allies and then he goes back to meet with his allies and iran's allies. does this deadline which has been bumped until tomorrow mean anything? >> we have to stop using deadline. it's a target date. it does mean something in congressional terms. congress will have 30 days and 60 days to review.

i think they're more focused on the deal and said, hey, we have to deal with that. >> if congress does not get the text of this deal which is largely complete there are still a lot of sticking points if they don't get this tomorrow really in the morning -- >> the deadline is july 9. then congress will have 60 days. the focus is on getting an agreement. you even had some attentions shouting matches heard through closed doors between sharif and kerry. this could be posturing. you're up against the wall. from the u.s. side and kerry, you're going to want to hear a couple of things. he also doesn't want to give the impression and this has been a storyline out there, that the administration wants the deal so

badly they will fold on everything. listen clearly they still have some disagreements because they haven't come to an agreement yet. >> knick, you're hearing what jim is describing over the last few days. critics of president obama, of secretary kerry saying they are too eager for a deal but then we heard president obama talked to congress and told senators he thinks there is less than a 50/50 chance of a deal. what is that trying to signal to people there in vienna who are negotiating? >> reporter: it certainly signals the iranian side that it's rock solid. they're not going to move. the iranians knew this july 10th deadline was before congress and they were playing to that hoping the u.s. would concede positions based on that time line.

the iranians for days have been saying they don't care if it blows through the 9th the 10th the 11th. if it goes a few days longer so what? it's not the end of the world. i think what we saw, we saw the u.s. side recognize perhaps they were being played by the iranians in that way, turn it around against the iranians saying we don't care about that deadline either. where do you stand? we heard the issue of wanting this arms embargo lifted. the iranians today, their president was told by president putin of russia he supports the lifting of the arms embargo. if that isn't enough for the iranian president to see he's going to have support and a security council resolution that would frame the agreement here then you have to begin to ask what is going to be enough because certainly we're hearing messages of support for the iranian side from the russians on key issues for the iranians. but it does seem certainly yesterday the talks seemed in

free fall. today they seem to have a better grasp on them. from that position of the united states secretary kerry being too ready to cave in, i think really we've moved beyond that. the recognition is that is not the case here. brianna? >> jim, i know you want to react to that. i want to get this headline in. we heard just a moment ago from josh earnest, the white house press secretary in the white house briefing he says there is no deal that has been reached with eyeiran. so no deal. so then what is this? just a status report? do we read the tea leaves on how optimistic secretary kerry is? >> i think for sure. i'd be surprised if he walks up and says i'm finished. i'm going home. we're not going to reach a deal. just how much more distance they have to cover to get to an agreement or just to express that there is hope that they will and they'll give it two times. that's the sort of statement i would expect here because that seems to be the status. and we would know if there was a

deal coming. but the point that nic mentioned that i think is key here some signs of disagreement within the west and that's a problem at this stage of the negotiations if you have russia saying in public maybe iran we don't need the arms embargo, that's xwhawhat they want. that would be difficult to sell at home if he gave up in these negotiations. that would be a tough one. it's not just between the west but within the west on one of those key issues. >> in a way then you end up having iran china, and russia facing off against the u.s. and its allies. >> what's very important, there's a lot of talk about what happens if there's not a deal. let's look at the scenarios people bring up military action et cetera. let's say the talks do fall apart. one real prospect is that this whole sanctions regime has been built up over several years,

really hard work it's fairly easy to get the u.s. and europe on the same page but china and russia -- >> this is 13 years of work right? >> exactly. enormous disagreements over ukraine. russian bombers, that kind of thing. but that coalition, if you don't have an agreement here very unlikely to stay together if there's no agreement and then iran starts breaking the sanctions regime and they're selling their oil that kind of thing. neither side wants the talks to fall apart. >> nic, one of the issues we've seen one of the sticking points has to do with iran's past behaveior and whether it tried to seek nuclear weapons capability. we're learning from a u.n. investigation that they believe that was the case and yet iran is maintaining, no that's not what we did. our nuclear program has been just for energy. so how does that complicate matters here? >> reporter: hugely. and i don't think that issue has

been probably resolved. possible military dimensions how much of the nuclear technology did iran use to try to develop nuclear weapons? there are substantially 12 issues on the pmd account. iran was beginning to answer those a few years back. they answered one of them. there are 11 really outstanding. the iaea chief went to tehran last week to talk about this but it was very clear from this statement when he came back that he might have made some progress on it but he said it would take to the end of the year and goodwill on the iranian side to begin to go further to answering all those questions. so i think that has been a key stumbling block, that may have been what we heard from the french foreign minister. certainly that is an issue that he was putting on the record as an outstanding issue the last couple of days. so unless that is resolved unless it is substantially answered that key question that

iran has been holding out with international nuclear watchdog the iaea for so long already, that if that is not addressed in a way that everyone can feel comfortable and that iran has really told everything on that then again, that lowers the chances of getting a deal. brianna? >> and as we try to get a sense of exactly where this is we're learning new reaction from iran's foreign minister secretary kerry's counterpart, the man negotiating on behalf of iran in vienna. >> the chief iranian negotiator. he tweeted his comment just a few minutes ago. we're working hard but not rushed to get the job done. mark my words, you can't change horses in the middle of a stream. that echoes to some degree when the french minister said that we are going to continue talks into the night, that they're still working, in effect. they don't have an agreement but they're not going to pick up their gloves and go home. they're going to keep working. >> do you -- it's funny because

diplo-speak is so subtle compared to what people normally say. when you hear that tweet, when you hear an iranian official saying god only knows if we'll have a de. you hear president obama saying less than 50/50 percent chance, you almost multiply it in real speak for what it means. can we really read into what stage this is? is this the final stage of jockeying? is the obama administration covering themselves because of critics back here at home? how do you read this? >> you have to run it through a major filter here. politics are involved but also negotiations. and both sides what they say in private may be very different from public. both have very sensitive politics back home so speaking to a domestic audience both sides want to show they're being tough. and they're negotiators. we've all been involved and people say a lot of stuff during negotiations to color how things

are and to firm up their position. so i think we have to take this all with a grain of salt. the key messages here are, as the white house said there is no deal yet, haven't reached an agreement, but they're not giving up yet either. i think we can expect something similar from secretary kerry. let's face facts here. time is running out to some degree, at least to get a deal done by that congressional deadline. i've been told by folks there's another possibility where, listen even if they go home in the next 24-48 hours, they might let the interim agreement continue and say, listen when we have something to talk about we can come back to the table a little later. >> that would be a huge development and we are awaiting secretary john kerry to see what he will say there in vienna a morning of shuttle diplomacy over iran's nuclear capabilities. all sides saying there's progress. is there really progress? we'll talk about that after a quick break.

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joining me here now a member of the foreign relations committee, so he knows a lot about what's going on here. we're waiting on secretary john kerry there in vienna. we are expecting him to come out and talk after a morning of diplomacy after all of the nations involved in the talks over iran's nuclear capabilities. senator, thanks so much for joining us. and you were in this meeting with president obama, what he has to say about where the progress of these talks are is so important and what he told you was less than a 50/50 percent chance? >> we had a great chance to talk about a wide range of issues. he made of point of saying don't be concerned and anxious about what the supreme leader is saying, about what iranians are saying. i won't sign i won't present to you a bad deal.

sanctions relief only after the iranians meet conditions. i'll insist we freeze or prevent pathways. and i found that reassuring. >> you took away from this meeting that he is willing to walk away? >> yes. he said that. >> and the strongest position is to say that's not good enough for me, i'm out of here. a lot of republicans are saying that's not where he's had. we heard from the number two defensemen crass in the house this week, steny hoyer. he said he's worried the u.s. will get rope-a-doped here. >> i have confidence in secretary kerry. i have confidence that wendy sherman and the other folks on his team are negotiating hard and i'm hopeful the deal will a tough deal an enforcement deal and one i can support.

if it's not a good deal i won't support. >> we see what appears to be a state department aide putting remarks on the podium a sign john kerry may be very close to coming out. talk to us about this deadline as we wait for him. a target wait i think is a good way to put it. east coast time we're talking the text would need to come in the morning. we see john kerry. you're saying the deadline isn't as hard and fast. >> there's a 30-day review period if they get us the text. >> let's listen to john kerry in vienna, austria. >> well good evening, everybody, and let me start by thanking all of you for your remarkable patience. i know in fact all of us

involved in this know that this has been a very difficult couple of weeks for the many journalists who are here in vienna with us. but let me assure you we would not be here continuing to negotiate just for the sake of negotiating. we're here because we believe we're making real progress toward a comprehensive deal. but as i have said many times, and as i discussed with president obama last night, we are not going to sit at the negotiating table forever. we also recognize that we shouldn't get up and leave simply because the clock strikes midnight and i emphasize given that the work here is incredibly technical and the stakes are very very high we will not rush and we will not be rushed

and we won't let ourselves be rushed through any aspect of this. all that we are focused on is the quality of the agreement, and that is what will continue to define our work. if, in the end, we are able to reach a deal it has to be one that can withstand the test of time. it's not a test of a matter of days or weeks or months. it's a test for decades. that's our goal here. and the simple fact is that despite all of the progress that we have made and it's real some of the tough issues remain unresolved. we know that difficult decisions don't become easier over time. one way or the other those decisions must be taken very soon. that is precisely why all of our delegations remain hard at work

here in vienna and it's why a number of my counterparts returned last night and are here now so that we can continue to push through on the tough issues and ultimately see whether or not the good deal that we have been working for so hard is possible to achieve. that's what we're working on and that's what we'll continue to work on. thank you very much. >> how long are you willing to stay mr. secretary? >> i just said this is not open-ended. president obama made it very clear to me last night you can't wait forever for the decision to be made. we know that. if the tough decisions don't get made we are absolutely prepared to call an end to this process. thank you all very very much. thank you. >> the president said it's less than 50/50 that you get a deal. >> secretary kerry there, let's listen what is he saying? >> thanks. >> quick final words from him. he said this is not open-ended

secretary coons, but it's not specifically closed off at a date either. doesn't that give some sort of wiggle room here? you heard him say decisions don't get over with in time they need to be made soon. >> there are a few critical unresolved issues. as you have reported in recent days the iranians tried this gamebit of introducing the u.n. arms embargo should be lifted. this is about iran's elicit nuclear weapons program, which should remain in place. that was an effort by the iranians to drive a wedge between us and the russians who are also participants in these negotiations. >> but it did. it did drive a wedge, right? >> they are not now changing their tune and leaving negotiations or siding with the iranians. i think it was a distraction and my hunch is what we're hearing from secretary kerry is a determination to send a message to the iranian supreme leader

the deal on the table is the best deal you're going to get. you need to accept it or we're going to walk away. >> is there another level of rhetoric here to communicate that? he's saying we're open to walking away but he's not saying when. he's not -- this is not take it or leave it. >> not yet. my hope is that if the iranians will not agree to some of the core issues that are unresolved about inspections so that there are sensitive or military sites where we have legitimate concerns there might be elicit weapons or research going on we have to have access full accounting for their possible military dimensions of their long-standing illicit nuclear weapons program, and real limits on future r&d. if they aren't willing to accept the position the united states and our key allies have put forward, then we should walk away from the deal. the president has long said and i agree with this and so do most

of the members of congress that no deal is better than a bad deal and i appreciate that secretary kerry just said the test for this agreement, should there be one, isn't whether it survives a few months or years but decades. as someone who may well be serving in the senate for a number of years ahead and is very concerned about the flawed deals that we reached in north korea and pakistan where those countries ultimately did get the bomb, i'm very concerned that we not sign off on that president kerry not sign off on a deal that isn't enforceable over a long period of time. i'm encouraged by what secretary kerry said and i do think there will come a point here soon where we should walk away if the iranians won't agree. >> when you talk to americans, when you talk to your constituents in delaware how do you explain to them why this matters so much to them personally? >> what i explained to them is iran is a country that is one of the foremost sponsors of terrorism in the world, that they're doing horrible things around the middle east and that we have been really in tension

and conflict and i don't trust them and neither should they. they have been trying to get a nuclear weapon now for many years. we've pulled together an impressive international coalition. we've imposed sanctions on them and this is the moment when we've got a chance at resolving it diplomatically. if we don't it will pose a real threat to our troops in the region and to our allies in the region. >> jim sciutto, you just listened to secretary kerry's remarks from vienna. what did you take from them? >> i think a couple key takeaways. one, they're still talking about but, two, there are still disagreements on key issues and then john kerry repeating a point we heard from the president just last week and we've begun to hear more of this week and that is if those key issues aren't resolved and the message is if iran does not make key concessions on some of these issues then they're willing to walk away. again a very public warning, hope that john kerry said if

they didn't believe they had a chance of resolving the issues but at the same time major issues remain and putting out that warning in effect that if iran does not come to the table, does not move then we will walk away from the talks, says john kerry. how much that have is negotiation posturing at this point, impossible to tell because, as we were just talking earlier, both sides have a lot invested in this deal and after two years of did i mroepplomacy it would be very difficult to walk up away from the table. >> the translation there, we're not quite to take it or leave it but we're on our way. jim sciutto, thank you. senator jim coons, we appreciate you being with us as well. did the rnc ask donald trump to tone down his act? our reporting says yes. trump says no. what's really going on here? plus what the billionaire had to say about the controversy over his remarks on immigration. we have that next.

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presidential candidate donald trump is the lightning rod of the republican party and with good reason. his incendiary comments about undocumented mexican immigrants has the head of the rnc telling him to tone it down but trump disputes that characterization as well as that a protest is about to given outside the future site of his luxury hotel in downtown washington, d.c. we will go into depth on both angles in just a moment. despite upsetting the party and the public in an interview with anderson cooper, trump doesn't back down. >> "the washington post" says some of the workers building this beautiful hotel urgyou're building in washington, d.c., are illegal. they've talked to 15 workers. they came here through asylum. they're now legal. but a number did say they're illegal. isn't it hypocritical for you saying that illegal immigration

is killing this country to be employing illegal immigrants? >> i read the story. that does not name many names. they said they spoke to one or two but they don't name them and don't even know if it's true. >> what they say is several of the men mostly from el salvador have earned status through immigration programs targeting central americans fleeing civil wars or natural disasters. others acknowledge they remain in the country illegally. they don't give us numbers. >> they have to give us names. >> if they're illegal, they're not going to give names. >> we believe so strongly -- i hired a very big contractor one of the most prestigious, the best in the world to build the building, it's their responsibility to make sure they have done -- >> doesn't the buck stop with you, though? >> it does oh, absolutely. we have gone out of our way to make sure everybody in that building is legal and we do have some that were -- that became legal. we have some many i think, that became frankly, me, you,

everybody, ultimately we're all sort of in the group of immigrants right? but we have done that to the absolute letter of the law. we're very very careful. >> "the washington post" can go there and talk to 15 people and find some illegal immigrants -- >> they haven't shown us anything. i wish they would give us names. we would get them out immediately. >> you must have a guy on the job site -- >> we have more than one and check it probably more carefully than any job ever built. anderson, you have either 11 -- where from 11 million to 34 million illegal immigrants in this country. they're all over the place. nobody knows even where they come from. they probably come some from the middle east. you don't know where they're coming from. we check on that building probably more carefully than anybody that's ever built a building before and i think from what i heard, and i just checked it this morning because i asked a question because i read the article, also we are absolutely in beautiful, perfect shape. now i wish they'd give us the

names. we would get rid of them immediately. >> "daily beast" the headline says -- they're talking about the building we're sitting in right now. trump tower was built on undocumented immigrants' backs. >> how many years ago was that? >> this was, what 35 years ago. this was a court case 200 illegal immigrants polish workers, guys working for $5 -- >> i hire a contractor. the contractor then hires a subcontractor. they have people. i don't know -- i don't remember that was so many years ago. 35 years ago they said -- >> this was a court case settled in 1999. you settled with them. >> it's all right. it's fine. i remember the case. frankly i remember it very well. we hire contractors. the contractor highly prestigious, they go out, hire subcontractors. sometimes the subcontractors will have people working but, you know it's pretty far down the line. >> this was 200 polish workers working without hard hats,

noticeable on a union job. >> when you have to go back 35 years to tell me something, that's pathetic to be honest with you. >> can you guarantee you don't have illegal or undocumented workers working for you in hotel or various projects? >> i can't guarantee it. we have 34 million in the country. i used to hear 11 million. now 34 million. i can say this we work very hard to make sure that everybody is legal as opposed to illegal. >> there's, as you said 11 million -- who knows how many million. nobody knows. >> the most scary of all, our government doesn't know. they don't have a clue. >> what would you do with the one already here? you talk about building a great wall on the border or parts of the border about being tough. what would you do with the ones already here? >> i wouldn't even think about anything until i built a wall impenetrable. nobody coming into this country illegally. that's number one. number two, i would get the ones that are criminals, drug

dealers, and the people that are forced in by mexico and you know exactly what i'm talking about because mexico is smarter and sharper and more cunning and, frankly, have much better negotiators than we have. and i would get the ones that are forced in by the country of mexico into our country, forced in those people would get out and they'd get out fast. the rest i'd be looking at seriously. >> would there be a pathway to citizenship for -- you're talking 11 million at the very least. >> too early for me to say, and when you say citizenship, the most we'd be talking about was legal. let me just tell you, before i even think about that we have to build -- we have to build a wall a real wall not a wall that people walk through. >> still ahead, fact checking donald chump. we'll talk to anderson cooper live about his sitdown interview, plus we just got off the phone with trump. up next what he had to say about that phone call with the head of the republican national committee. stay with us.

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now as you heard in anderson cooper's interview with donald trump the republican presidential candidate can get pretty fired up. and it's a tone that may be causing concern within the republican party. trump actually spoke to the head of the rnc reince priebus on the phone yesterday and since then there's been a controversy over what was actually discussed. here to help us out we have joe johns. take us through the back story on this and what you've learned here. >> reporter: right. well a bunch of mixed messages coming out of this right now. probably the best way to starp is with donald trump's tweet after having the conversation with reince priebus. he essentially said it was a congratulatory conversation more than anything else. now the rnc is calling this a

respectful conversation. they have to walk a line because the republican party especially since the presidential cycle of 2012 has been trying to make inroads to latino voters. the overarching concern is trump's comments are hurting as opposed to helping. trump is saying chairman priebus did not chastise him, per se but trump is admitting the subject of his comments on immigration did come up during that brief conversation. so different characterizations about the same thing. the rnc trying to walk a line on this and trump saying it was more or less congratulatory brianna. >> and our own jeremy diamond, political reporter here with me now, you just got off the phone with donald trump, right? >> yeah. it was an interesting conversation. we had all of this reporting saying that donald trump had told by the rnc chief to tone it down. i get on the phone with trump, it's a congratulatory call. let's be real. he was congratulating me.

he said priebus has never seen anything like it talking about it his surge in the polls to number two right behind jeb bush. >> let's listen to part of the call. here we are. >> it was a very nice call and it was really more of a congratulatory call. he said how we'll we're doing and saw we went to number one in various polls. he talk about how well we're doing and how he's literally not seep seen anything like this. it was a nice call that lasted probably ten minutes, maybe a couple minutes more than that. that was the end of the call. >> okay. now the rnc not officially commenting on this right, jeremy? >> i called up shawn spicer. >> the spokesman. so they're not commenting but isn't it possible that -- but we're sort of hearing their side of things. this was us telling him to tone it down. can't they both kind of be right here? hey, congratulations, by the

way, tone it down and it's just about what one really called about and what one is sort of hearing in the conversation? >> yeah. it's about how much of the conversation i guess, centered around there is what they're differing on. trump wasn't so clear the comments, the suggestion as he called it of toning it down was specifically about his immigration comments. he said priebus was suggesting he should tone it down generally but at the same time saying priebus understands that's trump's brand. so they've got a lot of different people to try to make happy here and they're walking a fine line. >> they sure are. anderson cooper, who had the interview with donald trump, joining us now. anderson you're hearing this discussion that happened. you interviewed donald trump. do you get a sense that he might tone it down? >> i don't see him toning it down. i mean certainly he seems to be doubling down if anything you know he is unapologetic about really everything he has said, even a tweet that was re-tweeted by trump or by somebody in his

campaign, but on his twitter page and then deleted by trump because it was viewed as offensive to jeb bush and his wife. though it wasn't something trump said. it was something he re-tweeted. trump said he didn't authorize the tweet to go out but doesn't regret it he doesn't apologize for it. even though the tweet itself was deleted. it's rare that you will hear donald trump saying something negative, as you hear in that interview, most things with trump are superlative. it's a great conversation. it's the best hotel. it's the best subcontractor to hire. that's who donald trump is. that's his style. >> what did he say to one suggestion about the 35 years ago undocumented immigrants were used working on his hotel, he said that's pathetic. that's how he ended that. >> he was saying it's pathetic if you have to go back 35 years to bring up something, and this was all based on a "daily beast" article. the thing is will his opponents in the gop, when he's on the

debate stage, will they be the ones bringing this up? we remember it in the debate cycle mitt romney was attacked for allegedly having illegal immigrants working on his yard at his house in massachusetts hired by whoever he had hired the company to do his yard. so it's very possible that some of these other challengers, if things get contentious in these debates, will start to bring this up and, as you said there will be a demonstration, i guess, at this washington hotel, though as trump says, you know if they knew the names of the people they would fire them though they -- somehow "the washington post" was able to find these people. the person from the trump organization hasn't been able to find these people apparently. so we'll see if anything more develops on that. >> that just goes to the point, right, that you don't have to go back 35 years to perhaps find some evidence that "the washington post" was able to

find some evidence here. the press is spending a lot of time covering analyzing trump's comment. we have the first debate only a month from now. what do you think? does he have the potential to really hijack the debate? >> well i don't know about hijack. he has the potential to dominate. he has dominated the conversation you know. i mean he's the first one to claim credit for bringing illegal immigration front and center into this campaign and, you know based on his comments he has forced all the other gop challengers to really address his remarks, to kind of take things based on what he is saying and pivot off them but he is really dominating the conversation and so i think that's the concern certainly for a lot of people in the gop that at these debates how did their candidates that they support look standing next to donald trump and reacting to donald trump, and do they take him on? do they ignore him? i think that's got to be a

debate that's being had among all these candidates. >> it's such a conundrum and i want to talk more with you about it anderson. if you can stick around if you don't mind we'll chat more after a quick break. not everyone in the republican party even wants donald trump to back down. just ahead we'll talk with a trump supporter who says the party is trying to destroy trump in order to silence him. ♪ the goodness that goes into making a power kale chicken caesar salad is rivaled only, by the goodness felt while eating one. panera. food as it should be.

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not everyone in the republican party is calling for donald trump to tone it down. some are applauding him for focusing on it. a contributing editor for "american spectator. what do you say to trump's critics in the republican party? >> well, i think they're making a huge mistake here. donald trump, first of all, is donald trump. he's going to speak his mind

regardless. and one of the things that i would think that they should have learned by now is the more they attack him, the more sympathy comes his way and the more it helps him politically. i see that just yesterday he surged to number one in a poll in north carolina. i was i was doing a radio interview in alabama this morning and i was told by the host that everybody down there is talking about donald trump and favorably so. so i think that there's a mistake here a problem for the republican establishment, if you will to go after him. perhaps they should pay more attention to what he's saying and try and talk about the issues instead of him. >> you wrote in "american spectator" that republicans in the ruling class are trying to shut down the base of the party over immigration. tell us more about that. >> well, there's a feeling -- i think this began to manifest itself when senator cruz tried to defund obamacare back in 2013.

and since that time there's been a feeling of a disconnect between the base of the party and the folks in washington and the lobbyist complex, et cetera. and the illegal immigration issue has just not been on the radar at all and yet people are clearly, you know aware of the stories in their own area. and i think that when we had this terribly tragic situation in san francisco, this suddenly put a name and face and a national focus on this and this is something that donald trump has been talking about for a long time. and now because of the confluence of circumstances, they are forced to talk about it and everybody else from jeb bush has got to get into the issue which i think is a good thing but there certainly is a feeling -- i would almost call it hostility towards the republican base the republican establishment in washington from people outside the beltway here

who feel that they are not being listened to on anything and that donald trump is picking up on that. >> jeffrey lord great insight. thank you for your analysis there. donald trump is a self-promoter, really known for his swagger and certainly never seems afraid to speak about himself, as we saw last night on "ac 360." >> here's the good news. i'm very rich. i built an unbelievable company. the money you're talking about is a lot but it's peanuts for me but it's still a lot. more expensive than a campaign would cost. i'm very good at contracts. i do that very well unlike our country, i do contracts very well or i wouldn't be sitting here talking to you right now. i've given millions to everybody. >> so do you give though, based on principles or do you give based on who is going to do things for you politically? >> they all love me. let's put it that way. >> do you know when you get on a stage during those debates and your republican challengers are going to say, look you're all

over the place. you're giving money to hillary clinton harry reid nancy pelosi. >> i get along with everybody. >> anderson cooper is joining us now on the heels of the interview that he did with donald trump. did you get the impression that donald trump is in a presidential race to win it or did it strike you more that this is a publicity stunt or maybe a combination of both? >> well i don't -- look i don't know what is going on in his head. i can tell you, you know he's doing well in the polls and certainly says he's in it to win it. you know whether or not he actually believes that he can take the white house, i don't know. there's no way to really tell that. i just don't think it's some sort of publicity stunt. he has people on the ground and he's doing very well in the polls and devoting a lot of time to this and i think he's really serious about it and certainly serious about getting his opinions getting himself in front of cameras and his ideas

across. as you well know you did the interview with hillary clinton, she's barely talked to the national media. donald trump has done a number of interviews. he put in a call again -- he took a call again from cnn to talk about what the rnc call was. so he's very comfortable in front of the cameras. he likes the attention, no doubt about it. i think he's enjoying the process even though it's costing him some money with some deals and i think he's certainly in it you know for the early part of the primary season and i think he'll wait and see how he does. i think it all depends on how far he can really go and be successful. >> when you talked to him off camera compared to on camera is it what you see is what you get with him? >> it is. look he can be a very charming guy and he's -- you know there's a lot of politicians who

one talks to is not very pleasant to talk to them. they don't really answer questions, they don't really engage. donald trump is very engaging. he's very polished. he's very comfortable in front of the camera he's very comfortable with people seems to enjoy talking to people he's used to the attention. he doesn't arrive with a huge entourage, he doesn't have a lot of people whispering in his ear telling him to wrap up the interview. this went on for some 45 minutes or so and nobody ever said wrap it. i just said okay i think we've ended the conversation. so he's a candidate unlike a lot of other candidates out there and i think that's clearly part of the appeal. that's clearly -- you know you look at the people who are doing very well in the polls and jeb bush has high name recognition, you have trump, ben carson after trump in new hampshire and elsewhere. it's people who are not well --

politician who is are out of the mainstream not viewed as politicians. and i think it makes it difficult for someone like chris christie who is selling himself as a straight talker somebody who tells it like it. donald trump has really stolen that mantel has really grabbed that mantel and is running with it. >> that's a reporter's dream, when you get to say when the interview is over not the person that you're interviewing. that's amazing. >> it's kind of refreshing i've got to say. and he is oddly accessible in this way for a guy as rich as he is as powerful as he is he is kind of accessible. and i think people like that. >> yeah. anderson cooper thank you so much. you can catch more of anderson's extended interview with trump right here on cnn tonight at 8:00 eastern on "ac 360." that's it for me. i'll be back at 5:00 eastern. the news continues right after a quick break.

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