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y talking about self deportation. the concern that this is the same kind of rhetoric that donald trump is using now, which will crush the republicans' big picture in 2016 with that community which is incredible important. >> and he doesn't believe that will happen to him. he'll explain why. but is it common for someone to call a kabd dat, not just trump, but any candidate. i mean do they -- is that common? do they have these conversations? and to ask somebody, even at the end of the conversation to just, you know, think about the rhetoric. if that is, in fact what he
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said. getting involved in an intraparty fight, which is what the republican nomination is all about. so that is why, anderson when trump pushed back today, you heard crickets from the rnc. it is not in their interest at all to have a public dispute. >> i'm going to check back in in a moment. i want to show you the beginning of part two with my interview
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and i'll tell you why i'm going to get them. at the appropriate time later on probably after the primary, assuming i win, which i hope i do. i'm in it to win it. we'll see what happens. i'm going to have thousands of people that work for me stabding up saying we love trump. and what i'm going to do for the latinos is create jobs. i'm going to take jobs from china, from mexico from japan where they're sending in millions of automobiles all of the time and we get nothing out of it. i'm going to bring jobs back and the latinos are going to be able to work and make good money. and i will take them away from hillary clinton. >> you talked very openly in your speeches with macys, neckties manufactured in china. >> i hate the fact -- >> if you really hate it why not make a stand and say i'm not going to make this deal. >> here's the story.
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many,a macys were weak. thousands of people are cutting up their macys credit card right now. and i love to see that. i talk openly in speeches about ties. the ties that are made for me because china has so devalued their currency that it's impossible for american companies, even with something so simple as a tie, it's impossible for american companies, anderson, to compete with china. >> much more of my interview with donald trump ahead on the program. he's certainly not backing down doubling down on approaches to illegal immigration. listen. >> so look, bush is weak on immigration. rubio is extremely weak on immigration. i could be much more offensive
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to rick perry, the but d fact is he was governor to texas and the border is a disaster. >> he says lindsey graham wants to bomb everybody. chris christie missed his time. also ahead tonight, take a look at this image. do you know who this little girl is? police are trying to figure it out. her body has been found, but, so far, no one has been able to identify her. we have details on that and my crime fighter john walsh straight ahead.
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in this bart of our conversation, and true donald trump style, he does not mince words about any of them. >> let me read you what some of your fellow republicans have said. he's not a stupid guy, don't think he thinks every mexican crossing the border is a rapist. he's doing this to draw attention. >> so look, bush is weak on immigration. forget about his stance on common core. he's very weak on immigration. and that's his prerogative. >> marco rubio is extremely weak on immigration. if he ever got e legislated you would have people flowing across the border. >> rick perry, i was offended by his remarks. he's going to have to defend those remarks.
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i'll stand up and say those were offensive, which they were. >> i could be much more offensive to rick perry. the fact is he was governor of texas, the border is disaster. >> lindsay graham says why would any group vote for a party if it embraces that view. squl he wants to bomb everybody. every time i watch lindsey graham, he wants to bomb everybody. >> she came out very weak yesterday, in my opinion, on immigration. a little bit harsh on me because i'm very strong on the immigration situation. but she lost her job, viciously was fired. viciously. she then ran for the senate in california and got killed in a landslide. now she's going to run for president? >> i have great respect for the fact that he had courage to back me up.
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all he's saying is we have to stop illegal immigration. carson. he stood up, too. hi came out today very strongly. >> bernie sanders. >> i think he's a character. he's doing well. i'm not sure hillary is -- you know if you go back to pre-obama when nobody ever heard of obama, hillary had the same kind of power as she did now. it was almost a foregone conclusion. >> joining me now, former reagan white hois political director cnn political commentator jeef
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ri, let me start with you. there's the old add anxious thou shall not speak ill of fellow republican. are the negative comments he's making are they bad for the party? >> i don't think so. president reagan had a lot of sharp elbows and words to say about gerald ford and in the 1980 primaries. i don't think there's anything particularly unusual here. >> and, to you, the appeal that you believe he has to the voters he appeals to is it -- i think one of the things that comes across so strongly about him is that he's speaking extemporaneously. he doesn't have a bunch of papers. it's not a prepared speech.
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and i think people like that sense of this is kind of a raw guy. >> he's not scripted. i think that's what people like. i think there's this enormous sense of frustration out there on the republican side. and i think he speaks directly to it and i think he speaks poignantly and bluntly. i think this is what they say to each other. and now they're finally hearing this from a candidate who's not afwrad to say this. >> paul what do you make of this phone call from the rnc chair with trump? >> it means he's hurting the republican party.
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he got 37% latino vote. that's the kind of appeal that the republicans need. not that i need to give them free advice. is trump rich? he should be paying me for this advice. here's the advice. when you tell people that they're rapist and criminals x they don't like it and they're not going to vote for you. now, when you tell them like ronald reagan, they tend to vote for you. >> he didn't say all latinos are rapists. no, he didn't. he said a few of them. some of them might be good people. >> he was talking about illegal immigration. but, paul to your point, how do you think the other candidates are going to deal with him? do you get into a verbal fist fight with him? do you ignore him?
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ne. most of them are not going to get the nomination. in fact, obviously, all of them but one won't get the nomination. it is at this point, very much a jump ball on the republican side. you're seeing of these people in the race because of what happened in 2012. it was so wide open. and mitt romney got the nomination kind of by default. there was no one else that rose to it. at this point, nobody thinks donald trump is going to get the nomination. i had gotten phone calls when he first got in very agitated saying why are they even paying atengsz to him. he's clearly not going to be president. but the bottom line is, as i said, it is a jump ball.
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>> and they're still not paying atengsz to him now. we're going to take a quick break. >> this negotiation should have taken a week. that's because i'm being generous. it should have taken a day. but it should have taken a week. now they're going to have a delay and another delay. and if you think that iran isn't doing lots of nuclear work behind our backs as we're negotiating, then you're foolish. >> take a look at this picture. if this little girl looks familiar you can help solve a mystery that has authorities baffled. clues are hard to come by. i'll have more on that story and john walsh has made tracking child predators life calls. he joins me ahead.
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kerry said there are tough issues still to be resolved but there is progress being made. the deal's deadline has already been extepided twice. they're not going to sit at the table forever but, at the same time wait a moment leave just because the clock strikes midnight. he says this all should have taken a week at most. >> we're making a terrible deal. we have the wrong people negotiating for us against -- the persians are great negotiators. they are laughing at the stupidity on the deal we're making on nuclear. we should double up and triple up the sanctions and have them come to us. do you know we're paying them hundreds of millions of dollars on a monthly basis. and i said why can't that money be held back. they said well that money has nothing to do with our negotiation. really? and, also why aren't we taking our four prisoners back? why aren't we getting those four people that are being held in the worst prisons, they say, in the world, in iran why aren't
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we getting them back? they say oh, we don't want to discuss that. that has nothing to do with the nuclear. anderson this negotiation should have taken a week. that's because i'm being generous. it should have taken a day. but it should have taken a week. this is going on forever. now another delay and another delay. and if you think that iran isn't doing lots of nuclear work behind our backs as we're negotiating, then you're foolish. and i watch you too often to know that you ooir not foolish. >> you've admitted that you've made mistakes in the past. >> i have. >> you and i talked ath president obama and the whole birth certificate thing. i'm asking now, do you 5:00accept president obama was born in the united states? >> you know yop. i don't know why he didn't want to release his records. remember this one thing. i'm about jobs the economy, the military and taking care -- >> no no, no let me just tell you something.
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do you know that hillary clinton was a bertha. she wanted those records and fought like hell. do you know john mccain was a birther? hillary failed john mccane failed trump was able to get them to get something. i don't know what it was. i'm off that subject. i'm about jobs. i'm about the military. i'm about doing the right thing for this country. i want to make our country great again. >> by the way, birther is not accurate. senator mccain made that very publicly clear when he was running against senator obama. and so that brings us the interesting question how far out there can donald trump go with some of his rhetoric. there's no sign that his support is waning at all. he has a rally scheduled for saturday in phoenix. his office says it's now being moved to a larger space, to a
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convention center to accommodate the thousands of people they are now expecting. is actually a good thing. it allows them to show themselves in opposition to him or juxtaposed to him. do you buy that? >> sure, sure. i think they're going to want to be on that stage with him. and i know that there was some thinking that there would be gop donors to try to shut down the debate and not have people appear on the stage with him. but it's good for him. if they can't handle donald trump, they can't handle the wliet house.
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and i think that's a fairly obvious point here. he's a tough guy. he's a tough debater. he's a tough negotiator. i've never understood this he was a clown or this, that or the other thing. he's an extraordinary accomplished human being. >> paul i mean you've said that the republican candidates should be much tougher on trump. they should publicly go after him. explain that. do you then run the risk of getting into a knife fight with donald trump who is a very adent fighter. >> he is. i agree with heifer e every word that jeffrey just said. he's spent a lot more time looking into a camera than anybody else on that stage. donald trump knows what what to do when the red light goes on.
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you can't stand up to donald trump, how are you going to stand up to putin? these republicans, they could prosper from trump. to them. it's just straight up loco. but you can take them on. do you really believe it's as simple as that? ben carson is doing well, a non-politician. at least in the primary season kind of just tired of practice politicians, couching things, not necessarily saying anything.
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>> i think that's right. and i think that's why that appeal is there. i do think it maltly with a long haul and we're 500 some days away from an election it's going to be more personality. at the end of the day, people right-hand turn electing an entertainer. they're electing someone who's going to fight for them. ultimately that's the question voters ask. they may decide mr. trump is the guy. i find that really inconceivable. maybe i don't have good enough imagination. >> i hate to agree with paul, wu i think he's right.
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d back eight years obviously he couldn't even win in florida, which is where he put all of his eggs in an election. just to look back to what you were all talking about whether or not it's good to be on a debate stage. of course they can use him as a foil. but they're concerned is not so much about that it's just where the conversation is in the first place. if donald trump says something about immigration, then everybody else is going to feel like they have to respond to him
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or contradict him. and in most case they don't want to be asoes yaltsed with him. but it's a totally different thing, anderson. >> i aappreciabluate it. good to have you on. coming up the boston harbor shoreline. the remains of a little girl found on the shoreline. i'll speak to john walsh of "the hunt requests about the case next. 6 when you're not confident you have complete visibility into your business, it can quickly become the only thing you think about.
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name. >> right now, to the authorities, she doesn't have one. police call her only baby doe. she was wearing polka-dot leggings. baby doe's body discovered discarded in a trash bag ahong the shore of deer island, massachusetts. a place where waste water is treated just east of boston's logan airport. >> we appeal to the care givers the parents, please step forward. no child, no person deserves to be discarded like this. at the same time doi worry that there may be other children in this home that need our attention and our protection. >> online tens of millions are sharing her story, sharing their grief and searching for answers. in early tips suggesting baby
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doe could be a three-year-old who went missing from west virginia in 2011. police have since ruled that out. >> people are calling in with tips and leads buzz we want that to continue. with that information, we're going out there and checking on the welfare of a lot of children. there have been 24 actual welfare checks on children who resembled baby doe. >> toxicology tests will show she was poisoned or given krugs. there was no visible signs of trauma to her small body. baby doe, 3 1/2 feet tall weighing just 30 pounds. >> so awful. joining me now is john walsh. how unusual is it a case like this that an unidentified child's body for so long?
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>> thankfully, pretty unusual. but we did about ten of those cases. some of them were never solved. some of them we got lucky and solved and people came forward. >> it's hard to imagine. how does a child, you know a child disappearing is one thing. but a child being found and nobody -- somebody must know who this child is. >> absolutely, somebody knows who this child is. in the cases where we dead find the children rngs they were the one child in the family of mt. e multiple children that the live-in boyfriend or the mommy abused and battered not any of the other children and then either accidentally killed the child or starved the child or whatever and disposed of the body. and then we always asked the same question. somebody must have known that child. please have the courage to call somebody. people do not want to talk to cops.
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they don't want to be dragged into the case. so if you give them a way to do the right thing, which i did for 25 years, they could call my number now, 1-866-thehunt. or go to my web site cnn.com/thehunt. i don't care what your name is. there's 15 million illegal aliens here. but they don't want to talk to police and get deported. so sometimes they know who the child is and they may see something if they're a migrant in texas or florida, they may have seen the child and said you know what that family always abused that child. i'd like to tell somebody i think who it is but i can't because i think i'll be in trouble. so we're saying to those people we're not going to involve you. somebody knows who that little girl is.
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even if she died accidently and by chance it is an illegal alien family who doesn't know what to do with the body. lets's give her that burial she so deserves. and, if there are other kids in the family at risk somebody's got to come forward and they might be beaten to death or wind up in that riffer. >> how accurate do these usually turn out to be? >> you know we started the national center. they put together the best in the country. they're the pros at it. they have now reached out. i was at facebook all day today. they now do amber alerts, which are wonderful. we've been able to get about 54 million views of this little girm.
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and i'm still amazed that nobody has come forward. but social media will help solve this. >> in that image, her race may be completely accurate. >> you can't tell. in many, many times, chiern are of mixed races. >> but that kind of thing, generally, is accurate. >> oh, without a doubt. and the technology is incredible at the national center. they're pros. the massachusetts state police and the massachusetts cops know they're pros. and that picture is going to be shown and i may show it on sunday night if her identity isn't known. we really need to find out who she is. >> and, again, just to reit rate this a lot of people think somebody else will know and somebody else will do it even though i might have information you've got to pick up that phone. >> if you they will you know no matter how inconsequential it is or how far off you think you are, it never ceased to amaze me as i caught almost 1400 guys.
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appointments available now. she hasn't had any luck. he's been busy promoting his new terminator movie and too busy to disdoes allegations that the kill er killer refused to talk about it. the convicted killer telling his side of the story. >> reporter: arnold schwartznegger refusing to talk. >> will you answer a question from cnn.
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>> reporter: about his final act as governor. final act that one family calls devastating and insulting. in the final hour in office then-governor schwartznegger slashed in half the jail sentence of esteban nunez, the son of a political ally who pleaded guilty in the 2008 stabbing death. >> since we're near the day for the movie promotion, we always thought about movies. >> thank you, everyone. the family is trying to go to the supreme court, sir. >> that's the type of person he is. he thinks somebody being murdered is a news that is below his status. >> the parents have been fighting since 2011. and how they even found out about it added insult to injury. no one from the governor's office called them. how they learned the man who pleaded guilty to the stabbing
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death of their son was being let out of jail early, when reporters started calling their home. his 16 year sentence was cut to just 7 years amid widespread criticism that the case wreaked of back door politics. esteban's father is fabian fabian nunez. he was also a known political friend to schwartznegger. >> cowardly act that he didn't even have the nerve or the heart to contact us and tell us that he had planned to do this. i mean, come on. be a man. >> while arnold wouldn't address d case, someone else did. after refusing repeated requests for an interview, fabio nunez called cnn. he's repeated statements he's made in the past. >> there was a totally different standard legal standard, applied to my son. >> then went onto argue that he
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merely righted wrongs perpetuate e waited by a conservative judge. nunez claims d.a. pushed for the plea bargain, not his son, because she wanted a high profile conviction before making a run for mayor. >> i would say if that were true we were trying to treat him differently and go all out because i was a powerful person? we never would have plea bargained this case. >> but nunez and arnold claimed the case was never as air tight as the prosecution article e argued. witnesses said co-defendant already on probation actually stabbed luis sans to. considering the limited role he wrote i believe his sentence is disproportionate to jets.
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he refused to commute the sentences of 29 suspects who also had limited roles in various homicides. 29 suspecteds who also had no powerful political connections to governor arnold schwartznegger. >> i think it just highlights how politics has come to permeate the entire justice system. >> and kim joins us now. so the sans to family, they're challenging the decision in court. where does that stand? do they really have a chance? >> well they say that they don't necessarily have a chance reversing it. but they want to make a statement here. they have filed a lawsuit asking that someone find that this clemency was illegal. so far, two judges holding their nosess said it wreaks of political fail ritism.
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going to be taken down. just hours ago, south carolina's governor nicki hailey signed the bill for its removal. >> surrounded by the very lawmaker who is helped make this moment possible south carolina governor nicki hailey took a moment to remember the nine lives lost just 22 days ago. >> it seems reich so long ago because the grieving has been so hard. but, at the same time we have all been struck by what was a tragedy that we didn't think we would ever encounter. nine amazing people that forever changed south carolina's history. >> the families of those nine victims present to seek firsthand the governor signed into law a bill that would remove the confederate battle flag from the state capitol grounds, a place that it's flown since the 1960s.
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the change comes after days of debate that culminated with the passage of the bill in a 93-27 vote. the end of a marathon concession in a state house that was amended by dozens who believe the flag is a symbol of southern heritage, not hit. >> this amendment recognizes his actions, his reasons. i'm going to ask you today to support this amendment. >> the debate lasting some 13 hours. the frustration palpable. >> just know that the gig is up. i think right now we see what the real deal is. >> the turning point in the debate coming when republican representative jenny horn a descendent of the president of confederacy, jefferson davis, took to the floor. >> i cannot believe that we do not have thehearted in this body to do something meaningful such
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as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on friday. >> and what representative horn did was magnificent. it took a lot of courage and helped us win the date. >> state house representative has been in the house since 1992 well before the flag was moved from the dome to its current spot. seeing the speaker sign the bill early this morning was a moment she says was worth fighting for. >> i thought it would be removed some day, but not when i'm still here. >> we're joined now, the governor said that they're going to bring the flag down with "dignity" at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. do we know how? >> yeah we know that there will be a ceremony. and the governor said that south carolina is a state that believes in tradition. i believe that ceremony will reflect that.
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once the flag is removed from here it will be taken to the confederate relic room which is just a few blocks from where we are. >> on that note, a change today. we turn to a decade of it. the cnn original erica. >> in the last ten years, the homicide rate has increased by leaps and bounds. >> somebody fired a shot. >> these tragedies keep getting closer and closer to home. i'm afraid to let my kids walk out the door. >> urban crime wave will touch off a new round of gun buying. >> step out. >> i'll plead not guilty right now. >> there's been a disturbing growth in the cult phenomenon in the country. ♪
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