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deadly mistake. the fbi admits the charleston church shooter should not have been allowed to buy a gun. tonight, details how the feds bungled his background check. does this happen a lot? isis recruits. has the terror group lured commercial pilots into its ranks? we're learning about a terrifying scenario that may be unfolding right now. massive security breach. a high-level resignation after a cyber attack on government computers exposing personal information of more than 20 million americans, from social security numbers to details about their sex lives. gruesome mystery. who this is little girl? and how did she die? john walsh of cnn's "the hunt" joins us to talk about this unsolved case and his mission to track down killers. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is off. i'm brianna keilar. you're in "the situation room."
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a bombshell admission by the fbi that the slaughter inside a charleston church might have been prevented, should have been prevented. the fbi director now revealing that his agency botched dylann roof's background check, allowing him to purchase the semiautomatic handgun he used to kill nine people. it's a gun he should not have had, legally. it's a cloud over the celebrations in south carolina after the removal of the confederate flag from the statehouse. that was a direct response to the church massacre and roof's confessed attempt to start a race war. we're also getting new information that isis may have influenced two commercial pilots with very specific skills that could help the group unleash terror. i'll ask congresswoman tollsy began better about that and more. she is an iraq war veteran and member of the armed services and foreign affairs committees as well. our correspondents and analysts are standing by at we cover all the news breaking right now.
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first we want to talk to our justice correspondent pamela brown. >> this shows a huge breakdown in the background system which is run by the fbi, fbi director comey admitting a series of errors enables roof to buy the gun that killed those churchgoers. the man who confessed to gunning down nine people inside a south carolina church should never have been able to buy the the .45-caliber gun he used to kill them. that bombshell coming from fbi director james comey, who told reporters in a closed-door session his bureau made a mistake during dylann roof's background check, a mistake he saidwas "of heartbreaking importance that rips all of our hearts out." >> it shows how a bureaucratic mistake can affect life. >> reporter: the background checker said roof admitted to
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illegally possessing drugs. that would have prevented him bass passing the background check. >> a regulation says if he was a drug user he shouldn't have gotten a gun. there was abundant totion for the fbi to have that information. had they had it no gun sale possibly no shooting here. >> reporter: comey says the fbi examiner failed to make contact with the columbia, south carolina, police department which arrested roof on that felony drug charge. in part because of a clerical error that listed the wrong police department in the records. after the three-day waiting period for the background check, the south carolina gun shop legally used its discretion to sell roof the gun, even though his status was still pending. gun law activists say this error is another example of why they believe the three-day waiting period needs to be longer. >> the fact that the dealer was allowed to proceed after three days and perhaps the examiner did not have enough time to fully conduct the investigation, and right now they're not given
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adequate time under that three-day default. >> reporter: the victims' families still grieving the loss of their loved ones met with fbi officials who explained the error and promised to work on fixing the system. the fbi's revelation contradicts earlier assertions that the background check was done properly. director comey said that he concluded last night after reviewing the latest information that a mistake had been made. brianna? >> pamela brown, thank you so much. i want to dig deep over the story with cnn justice reporter evan perez. i have a number of questions for you. i want to start with this one. fbi director comey is very much falling on his sword here. he's not pointing fingers at local jurisdictions or at the state of south carolina. but at the same time is what they reported up to the fbi was that he had a felony charge which would not disqualify him from purchasing a gun. this was an examiner who would have been following up and if she'd been able to get in touch with the police she would have
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discovered he'd also admitted drug possession which would have disqualified him, right? >> here's the issue. the fbi director has no choice but to own this. because this was something that the fbi should have been able to catch. especially as pamela just explained. they called the wrong police department. but you're right. there is -- we have a map of the country that shows the patchwork of gun regulations and the way -- how background checks are done. you can see california in western states, do their own. south carolina is among 36 states that rely completely on the fbi. and what really is the problem is that there's a lot of antiquated systems that the fbi relies on. >> fax machines? >> fax machines and court systems that are just really old. and that don't report their information up to the fbi. so that's part of the issue here. you know it's only -- these background checks only ar as good as the information put in there. >> comey said he only learned about this last night. he would have said something had he known sooner.
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and so then he comes out today off-camera and talks about this. but sounds like there were inklings in the department long before now that there was an issue. >> i'm surprised it's taken this long for the fbi to figure this out, frankly. i'm told that within days agents on the ground knew there was something amiss. and then a week after the shooting the fbi finally -- the examiners did the required work. and did a denial of the background check request, which happens a lot in these cases. that's what's amazing is that this happens a lot more often than people realize. there are people who shouldn't have guns who initially get through because they have 72 hours to approve these. if they don't, they get their guns. >> yeah or these things just aren't reported. the shooter at virginia tech should not have been able to purchase a gun. a court had ruled that he was a danger to himself. that would disqualify him from purchasing a gun. somehow that information did not trickle up. we've seen this before. >> we've seen this before.
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>> it's happening again. so where do we go from here? >> that's the question. we don't expect frankly, brianna, that in the clay mat we're in that there's going to be any changes made really to the gun background check system -- >> not even on streamlining how the information comes up? i mean does that take congress? >> it requires money, it requires the states to cooperate. really this is upon the states and the federal government to cooperate and do this. and there's not a lot of appetite for you to strengthen the background check system. keep in mind people who favor the second amendment will point out that if the background check system had just been used properly here this guy would never have had this gun. so this is not a loophole that he fell into. this just was human error. and the system just didn't work. >> evan perez, thank you so much. tonight, an obama administration official has been forced out after a massive security breach happened on her watch. this coming a day after revelations that the cyber attack impacted more than 20
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million americans. this is vastly more than originally thought. i want to go to our senior white house correspondent jim acosta. tell us about this resignation and the political pressure that led up to it. >> reporter: right, yeah. director katherine archuletta offered her resignation in person earlier this morning, president obama accepted it the white house says because he believes new leadership is "badly needed" at the agency. administration officials say the personal data of 21.5 million federal employees and some of their relatives were swept up in this hack that led to archuletta's departure. investigators detected the intrusion as they were already looking into a separate hack of 4 million people. as you said, calls were coming in on president obama to fire archuletta. they were growing in the last 24 hours. house speaker john boehner jumped in other top republicans. a key democrat senator warner, piled on. as we've seen once members of the president's own party start
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to pile on, it was going to be extremely difficult for archuletta to hang on and she didn't. >> you said this is not just information of employees, it's information about their spouses as well. i know that you pressed the white house on the seriousness of this hack. how damaging could this somebody. >> this is one of the most damaging hacks in the history of the federal government. what's astounding is how easy it was. a contractor's stolen user name and pass word were all the hackers needed to break into the federal system. they likely obtained social security numbers, health records, mental health records, in some cases fingerprints on nearly every federal employee who's gone through the background check system since the year 2000. the president's personal data was also obtained it stands to reason. the white house won't say at this point. the chinese we've been reporting are the leading suspect. we pressed them again, the white house. they have yet to publicly accuse beijing of being responsible. and we should point out archuletta, she wanted to hang on. she told report others a conference call yesterday, 12
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hours before she resigned she wanted to oversee the upgrading of the systems. instead, today is her last day. she will be replaced by beth cobetter, a top official at omb. coverage starts next week. >> jim acosta thank you so much. let's talk about the threat from isis and warnings that two commercial pilots may have fallen under the influence of the terror group. brian todd is looking into this what have you found? >> those two pilots are from indonesia. tonight the indonesian government is trying to obtain more information about them. given that isis has already commandeered fighter planes in syria and captured air fields analysts say there could be dangerous consequences if commercial pilots bring their skills into the terror group's fold. the 9/11 attacks. the germanwings crash. horrifying evidence of what can happen when the wrong person takes control of a commercial plane. tonight, new questions on whether isis has commercial pilots in its ranks. australian authorities ared
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about the potential radicalization of two indonesian commercial pilots according to an intelligence report believed to be from the australian federal police. the report says of the pilots "both appear to be influenced by pro-i.s. elements." the document obtained by the intercept says one of the pilots last september began to post pro-isis messages on social media, started interacting with people affiliated with isis listed his current city as raqqa, syria -- isis' stronghold. it's not clear if that pilot actually traveled to syria and cnn has not been able to independently verify the contents of the australian police document. a u.s. counterterrorism official tells cnn isis has specifically called for skilled professionals to join their self-declared caliphate. analysts say they're looking for a broad range. >> one thing that they certainly need is mechanics because of all the heavy armor they use. having pilots as well is probably something that's in their designs. the pilots would be worth much
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more if they kept their activities covert rather than the overt statements of support. >> reporter: there's no evidence so far isis actually recruited either of the two pilots. one of the pilots sent messages to local indonesian media denying ties to isis. both reportedly no longer work for commercial airlines. but could a trained commercial pilot with terrorist leanings infiltrate the airline industry? >> commercial pilots have knowledge of not only the aircraft and the systems and are intimate with the aircraft itself, but as far as security procedures we have been trained with various verbal codes, various things we do as pilots if there is an onboard nefarious act occurring. having knowledge of that could be an infiltration of that particular system. >> reporter: indonesia's national police chief tells cnn their investigating shows these two pilots are not directly involved with isis.
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but he also says they often post about isis on facebook and they are sympathizers. indonesia's foreign affairs ministry says it has asked the country's security agencies for more information about these two pilots. the australian federal police told cnn it does not comment on intelligence matters. >> brian what are the australian police saying about the wife of one of these pilots? >> the wife is mentioned in that bulletin. the report says the wife of one of the pilots also worked for two airlines and it says she recently requested information from a pro-isis radical group in indonesia. >> all right, brian todd thanks so much. joining me to talk more about this congresswoman tollsy began better an iraq war veteran, a member of the house armed services and foreign affairs committees. both committees you know what's going on here. you just heard this report from brian todd. this idea of these pilots abroad who were sympathizing with isis they'd been doing this or at least one of them had since
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mid-2014. and we're just now learning about it. think about this happening in the u.s. do you have confidence that if this were happening in the u.s. that u.s. intel and law enforcement would have gotten on its sooner? >> i think when you lack at how these pilots how they're saying they were recruited through social media, we've heard also recently news in different parts of the united states the reach of isis has gotten really predominantly through social media. it goes back to the call to action i and many others have had to crack down on their ability to reach tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people via social media, to recruit them with their radical islamic ideology. and you see how they have apparently done this successfully with these pilots. i think it's safes to that they are doing the same thing with who knows how many people here in the united states. >> let's talk about this hack that we've seen of opm. it's like human resources for
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the federal government, if someone's had a background check, they've gone through opm. if they work for the government they go through opm. 1.5 million current and past employees and spouses impacted by this. china blamed for this hack. how does the u.s. respond when normally there's some sort of proportional response? >> first of all, i think it's important as we look at this so-called hr department for the federal government where these breaches took place, i think it's a good thing that the director was forced to resign. it's unfortunate too often in washington people are not held accountable. but it can't stop there. i think you've got to look at the chief information officer, you've got to look at the fact that the breach that began in may of 2014 wasn't detected until a year later. the fact that they didn't have really an i.t. security department until 2013. and as you mentioned, this is the department responsible for incredibly private information on all federal employees and their family members and their
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histories. >> senator chris murphy said yesterday he got a letter that said he'd been impacted by this. >> i haven't gotten the letter but i've been through these background checks i'm quite certain that my information is out there, my staff has gotten letters, other members of my family have gotten letters. just like these 22 million americans. >> how worried are they? >> it's the same concern, i think, of uncertainty that these 22 million americans across the country are wondering exactly how that information could be used the depth of it. they're talking about not just those whose background checks were done but their neighbors, their family members, people who they've come into contact with going far back into their lives. so it's important i think for urgent action to be taken on this to one, identify exactly why these breaches were allowed to occur within opm, to bring in a third party, neutral, objective expert to be able to
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fix those breaches and strengthen the security of this very important information. >> many more questions for you congresswoman. stay with us. we'll be right back with congresswoman tulsi gabbard after a quick break. what to do when you're stranded in a city and you need a last minute hotel? a priceline tonight only deal! stuck out on the range? nowhere to rest your beard? choose from thousands of hand-picked hotel deals at the very last minute. only on your phone. only from priceline.
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back with house armed services and foreign affairs
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committee tulsi gabbard. right now a late update on the iran nuclear talks. the newest deadline in any progress toward a deal. alise lavat is monitoring the negotiations. >> secretary kerry came out a few hours ago and said there was some progress but still some more work to do after some very tense and difficult days. now the negotiators are going to work through the weekend, see how much more progress they can get. they still do have some work to do. but officials and diplomats tell me it's really -- they're on the verge of a deal or they're on the verge of coming home. because you have to remember, brianna, these people have been minute stirred, working about two weeks straight now. the negotiators have been there for 30 days. they're exhausted. so they're really going to have to fish or cut bait. either on the verge of a deal in the next 24 to 48 hours, or they're probably going to have to come back and reassess. >> this is pivotal. we know the sticking points have been sanctions, how quickly will
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they be lifted? also this idea of inspections. can the iaea verify that iran is not working toward a nuclear weapon? do we know where specifically the issues are right now? or is this a real close hold? >> they're really nailing down on two key issues. as you mentioned it's the inspections and that's about resolving old questions about iran's nuclear weapons program. were they building a nuclear bomb? do they want to get access to military bases, scientists? i'm told the supreme leader is really digging his heels in on that. there's the issue of the u.n. arms embargo, the iranians want that lifted the international community is hesitant. also the international community. so for negotiators the challenge is to come up with language that they can get what they want but also show that the rauniranians aren't caving because that's
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important to them. the art of diplomacy leise labbot thank you for that report. i want to put this into context about how much of a threat iran is. we heard general joe dunford, nominee to be chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, he was before congress and he said i think russia is the most dangerous threat to the u.s. he said russia, then china, then north korea, and then isis. where do you think -- you may rearrange those. tell me if you do. where do you think iran fits into this? >> i think -- i'm not at all surprised to hear him say that russia is the greatest threat. they have been for a very long time. when you look at the thousands of nuclear warheads that they have it's absolutely understandable especially with putin's actions as of late in particular. north korea, he mentions north korea. this is something close to home for me because of north korea's continued ballistic missile capabilities development. hawaii my home state, lies
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squarely within their targets. so the need to invest further in miss stick missile defense to protect the people of hawaii to protect the west coast of the mainland united states is critical. when you look at iran you look at the importance of these negotiations and how much more of a threat iran will be if they are allowed to gain these nuclear weapon capabilities. i think that is really the point of what's at stake here. >> that they could ascend there on that list that he detailed. so you have the deadline for the iran nuclear talks. it keeps moving and moving. extra innings is what one state department official described this as. now it's monday july 13th. is it time for the u.s. to walk away? >> i think it really will depend in their discussions over the next couple of days. if they get to a point where it's a decision between no deal or a bad deal then i think, absolutely the united states should walk away. and we should be prepared to do that.
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because that's really the most important thing is not whether or not a deal is done, it's the content and the substance of the deal that matters the most. >> do you think this is really the take it or leave it moment here over this weekend? or is this more the, we're frustrated for now, if they decide to go home we're going home to reassess see what's going on? >> it's hard to say. you could look over the past how many extensions that have been there, the disagreements that have come about, the rhetoric that's been played on both sides saying, you know it's either horrible and there's never going to be a deal or we're very close and we're making progress. i think it's part of their negotiation tactics, maybe. but i think the point is as we remain focused on the content, specifically on these inspections on making sure that these iaea inspectors will have this any time anywhere ability to make sure that iran is holding to what it has agreed to, that it's no longer developing their nuclear weapon capability and making sure that
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that is an enforceable fact. i think that's going to be one of the key sticking points to whether or not this deal will be possible or if it means it's time to walk away. >> that the u.s. needs to be able to verify a very key point. congresswoman tulsi gabbard, thank you very much. >> aloha. >> aloha. emotional day in south carolina as the confederate flag was taken down. also a disturbing admission from the fbi that the charleston church shooter should not have been allowed to get a gun. the sparring between donald trump and jeb bush seems to just be heating up. bush hitting back and talking a language that trump understands. that would be money.
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we're following major new developments in south carolina including a stunning admission by the fbi. it now says a clerical error allowed dylann roof to buy the gun that he used in the charleston church massacre. and in a direct response to the killings the confederate battle flag was permanently removed from the grounds of the statehouse today. cnn's don lemon talked about it with governor nikki haley. >> what i realize now more than ever is people were driving by and they felt hurt. and pain. no one should feel pain. we can have our disagreements and the we can have our policy back and forth. but no one should feel pain over something.
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not over a symbol. >> don lemon joining us from south carolina along with state senator marlon kimpson and also joined by former atf special agent in charge matthew horace. don, big day. you were there to see it. you talked to the governor. what else did she say? >> listen, it's important. look it's not fair. the flag is gone. and the pole is gone. and i think that's what the governor was working towards, at least these past three weeks. and i talked to her, i said you evolved over time about this. she said i didn't really evolve i just -- it never really came up. that's according to her in her time as governor to have the flag come down. but she understands that some people see this flag as a symbol of pride and heritage history. she said that doesn't mean that this flag should continue to stand and that it should be in a relic room where it is and it should be part of a museum. but it doesn't mean that it should stand on statehouse
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grounds. she also said that this changed her personally. and that she now understands even more about empathy and walking in other people's shoes. if this causes someone else pain therefore, she believes it should not be here. >> senator kimpson, it is a different scene, don is right. we've been talking to people standing where he's been standing and you see the flag jumps out at you. i saw him and i almost thought he was standing in a different place without the flag behind him. it doesn't even look the same. this was a really tough fight. what are you feeling today? >> well you know i was just thinking about that as i saw the flag come down and it was reminiscent for me at least, when president obama got elected to president the first time. what you saw in south carolina today was people all people coming together and just celebrating. we really felt good. i started the day talking to my
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dad. my dad picked cotton in calhoun county as a sharecropper on the grasset farm. now his son is in the grasset senate building and i am the co-sponsor of the legislation that passed to bring the confederate flag down. so it is about progress. it's about unity. it's truly a great day in south carolina. and it's something that we should be all proud of. >> matt this is certainly a big day for south carolina. but it's also overshadowed by what we're learning from the fbi, that the shooter in the church massacre never should have been able to purchase a gun. the fbi we've learned, an examiner there called the wrong police department and therefore she didn't get the information that she would have found out would have disdisqualified dylann roof from getting a gun. how was this able to happen? >> well you know brianna, having been a part of this process for a number of years, there are a number of different areas of concern where there are room for mistakes.
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we never like to see this happen in any case. i can tell you as an atf agent, whenever we learn someone received a gun that shouldn't have there was a compelling and emergency effort we put into getting that fire arm back. you always had the idea in the back offed your mind that you had to do this before something bad happened. in this case something very very bad did happen. >> matt horace thank you very much. senator kimpson, appreciate you being with us. don lemon standing in front of what used to bear the confederate flag and no longer does. just ahead, donald trump heads to hollywood gearing up for what's expected to be a huge rally this weekend. plus the latest on the heartbreaking mystery of the little girl whose body was found along boston harbor. who is she and how did she die? staying in rhythm... it's how i try to live... how i stay active. so i need nutrition... that won't weigh me down. for the nutrition you want
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police in boston are hoping that a new computer-generated image will help identify a young girl being called baby doe. the body of the girl, believed to be 4 years old, was found on the shore of boston harbor almost two weeks ago. so far, investigators have no idea who she is. or how she died. and we're joined now by john walsh. he is the host of "the hunt" on cnn. and john you've worked on several cases like this. it's been two weeks since this little girl's body was found. what does it tell you that no one has come forward to identify this child? >> well it certainly tells us that nobody's looking for her. the national center for missing and exploited children that did that picture right there has researched and searched and
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combed through their database of missing children for weeks now. and have no record of a child fitting this description being missing. and they did have one possibility, but eliminated that possibility, unequivocally. we're back to square one. it makes me think that whoever dumped this poor little girl's body in the bay like a piece of garbage, in a garbage bag, had something to do with their killing and they're under the radar and they don't want people to know they killed a child. so i am asking everybody, and so is law enforcement, to come to the grips with maybe you might know this family. you might know this child. you might have seen this child. and you may be afraid to talk to law enforcement. you may not want to call the massachusetts state police. i learned in the 25 years of working on "america's most wanted" that people trusted me. they trusted the fact that our hotline was monitored and phones
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were answered and computer was monitored by my technicians. that i didn't trace or tap calls and didn't allow law enforcement to do that. so we were able to catch almost 1,400 criminals and recover 61 missing kids alive. so if somebody is alive to talk to authorities, afraid of retribution from the family or whoever killed this girl don't worry about it just call. make that call, tell us what her name is so we can bury her and get her the peace that she so deserves. and the burial and the memorial that people that did love her can come to and pray. and to find out who kill the her, who dumped her body there, and my fear is that there may be other siblings in the family. lots of times it's the live-in boyfriend, it's the stepdaddy, it's somebody that kills a child and then they start to batter or abuse another child in the family. so time is of the essence here. we need to find out who this little girl is. >> good advice just call. john walsh, the season premiere
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of "the hunt" sunday at 9:00 p.m. this is about two girls who were shot to death in the back of their father's taxi. in it you're trying to track down the main suspect, their father yasser sayid. i want to watch a clip. >> it's the classic control freak/domestic abuse scenario. make the woman so dependent upon the man that she's not only afraid she's actually convinced that this is the norm. this is the way that she has to live. >> yasser always had a gun on him. and he would always go to the gun range to practice shooting. he had threatened before to kill my mom. and kill my dad. i think slowly patricia became very, very isolated.
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>> tell us about the hunt for that man there. >> well you know the fbi has their top ten and i was lucky enough when doing "america's most wanted," to catch 17 off the "ten." marshals have their top 15 caught i think 45 off the 15. i have my own top ten. and yasser sayid is right up there at the top. this coward molested his own daughters. when they had the courage to tell somebody and go to authorities he threatened to kill their mother and got them to recant out of fear, trying to protect their mother. then he went to egypt and made arranged marriages so he could literally sell the girls. when he came back the girls at the request of their mother went to see him. maybe to see if they could somehow patch up this so disfunctional family. how did he reward those girls? he shot one of the sisters immediately, the other sister he shot methodically. one kneecap at a time one elbow at a time parts of her body
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tortured her for i don't know how long then finally killed her. this is a coward. these the guys i hate the most. i profiled never was able to catch him. i think he fled to egypt. i'm sure with all the problems egypt has, with all the money we send there for aid, they don't want our garbage. i think on sunday night, yasser sayid, we're going to get a tip where he is. then it's up to egyptian authorities to extradite him. u.s. marshals will fly to cairo where i think he and is put cuffs on him and bring him back. i'd love to see him face justice for this so damaged family. hopefully sunday night will be his last time that i profile him. >> we sure hope so. john walsh, thanks so much for being it us. the hunt is on for yasser sayid this sunday at 9:00 p.m. on cnn. just ahead, thousands of people are expected at a donald trump rally in phoenix tomorrow. but what can we expect the
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the battle is heating up between the two frontrunners in the republican race for the white house. in one corner jeb bush and in the other corner donald trump. he is polling in second place. what's going on? >> reporter: it does seem like a reality show even though it's
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not. this is a serious competition. the large gop field seems smaller. donald trump repeatedly taking aim at one candidate in particular. if you thought jeb bush had a bad week you would be wrong. it was his money versus trump's mouth. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. >> reporter: donald trump may be sucking up the oxygen -- >> where hee are going to make our country great again. >> reporter: jeb bush is sweeping up the cash. the primary seems more like a summer sideshow. trump is dominating the airwaves and expecting big crowds this weekend to hear his words on immigration. >> they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crime. they are rapists. some, i assume, are good people. >> reporter: he is moving a saturday rally in arizona from the biltmore hotel because of high demand. expect more tough talk on jeb
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bush. >> bush is weak on immigration. he loves his wife. i hear she's lovely. if he loves his wife and she's from mexico i think it probably has an influence in him, yes. >> reporter: that was enough for bush to push back. >> you can talk to donald trump about that. >> exactly. >> i don't have his number, but i can find it for you. >> reporter: bush who is leading in the polls, said this week he and his allies have raised $114 million in the first half of the year. trump says he is not beholden to donors. >> i don't need anybody's money. >> reporter: jeb bush is walking a a fine line. >> you can love the mexican culture. you can love your
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mexican-american wife and believe that we need to control the border. >> reporter: trump's hunger for attention and the media appetite for him has made it harder for other gop candidates to stand out. >> leadership matters. >> reporter: chris christie is trying to get back float conversation through anned aadvertisea aadvertising campaign. it's not only christie who is seeking attention. the republican field is expand morgue more next week. what's becoming an unreallyuly gop fight. >> the editorial director of the national journal and chris moody with us. you just reported some pretty impressive fund-raising numbers for jeb. you said it's jeb's money versus
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donald's mouth. put this into context for us. >> we are talking $114 million. i'm told it may be up to $119 million. that's the money that he has raised and his super pack raised. it blows everyone out of the water on both sides. it's ten times as much as his nearest rival. jeb bush was playing by a different set of rules. he has been raising big checks millions of dollars at a time, before he announced his candidacy candidacy. he starts with a big advantage. his campaign has $11 million. but his apparatus has $119 million. >> hillary clinton, $45 million. the super pack not supporting her as well. >> it gives jeb bush a big advantage. she's still far and away the most on the democratic side. >> chris, you have donald trump. he has this event in l.a.
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tonight. this this sintis interesting. it's not a fund-raiser for him. this is for them. california is not an early state. i think when someone is serious about being in a tough primary fight they are doing something that makes total sense for -- if it's not money, it's for votes. what's going on? >> no one expected trump to be a conventional candidate. donald trump is going to meet with a group of conservatives in hollywood, actors producers, people in the film business. there aren't that many of them. they are a minority out there. the group is called friends of abe. they are secretive, low-profile. the meeting is totally off the record behind closed doors. he is going to be met by them but outside in front of the doors are many protesters particularly latino atdvocacy groups that are not happy with the words he said. as well as pinatas shaped like -- that look like donald
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trump that will be out there as well. >> clearly don't trump pinatas with the comb over and everything everything. he is expected to have thousands of people attending at this speech saturday. arizona is a state where there are a lot of hispanic voters. what will he say? >> he is going to freedom-fest. then to arizona, which lots of immigrants -- there has been a lot of conversation about immigration there for the past several years. controversy. there will be thousands of people there. this is an opportunity for him to really get his message out. i do not expect him to be less incendiary than he has. this might motivate him to be more so. >> he is digging in. it's of note that donald trump told anderson cooper he thinks he will win the latino vote. fact check this for us. >> short answer is no. he would not. the longer answer is that he is unlikely to get the chance as
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the republican presidential nominee and most relevant answer is that the real question is what is donald trump doing to the republican prospects among latinos whoever wins the nomination? since 2012 the party had to reach out to hispanics and asian americans to win after mitt romney romney. since then we have seen the republican republicans sue to block president obama's executive action on immigration. we have seen the first candidates talk about reducing legal immigration. scott walker and rick santorum also. you have donald trump speaking to those most alienated. jeb bush is striking a different tone. there's a risk that this will make it harder for republicans than in 2012 to improve among the latino vote which would seem to be essential to getting back over the top in the presidential race. >> is one of the reasons that
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republicans are hesitant to fully slam donald trump is that if they anger him, you never know maybe he goes rogue. maybe he runs as an independent. >> that's one reason. there are millions of or billions of republicans not to apg anger donald trump. he has a lot of money. it is unlikely he will run as an independent. he thinks the best way to beat hillary is for a republican to do it. it's an open question. party leaders are not sure how to handle him. they don't want him to be saying what he is saying. but they don't want to give too head to the hammer. they can't control him. the republican national committee controls small things. he controls himself. >> by attacking him, you empower him as well. >> that's a good point that you make. have a wonderful weekend all of you. thanks for being with us. you can always follow us here on twitter. tweet the show.
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join us on monday in "the situation room." watch us live. dvr us. you don't want to miss a moment. thanks for watching. i'm brianna keilar in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. protesters gathering at this moment against donald trump. about to come face to face with demonstrators this hour. we are live. the fbi's deadly error. officials admitting that dylann roof who confessed to killing nine people in charleston never should have been able to buy a gun. how did the fbi fail so miserably? 50 million viewer this was illage age image and no one knows who this is. the mystery of baby doe tonight. let's go "out front."