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>> by god, somebody is going to pay for these two boys being murdered. >> materialistic, a temptres. >> there was a body on the water. >> many people proclaim their innocence. >> this case, there are a number of things that stink. >> he needs to pay for it with his life. >> the electric chair flashed in front of my eyes. >> let the truth fall where it may. >> going to florida in two days, can't wait! >> are you going to take the camera with you? yeah, i'll take the camera with me. >> they were high school sweethearts, from lubbock,

texas. they were the proud parents of three boys. >> what's your name? >> devon. >> do something special. do a cartwheel. >> whoa, way to go, devon. >> say hi, damon. >> can you do a flip? >> no. >> the family moved to an upscale neighborhood in dallas after darren's computer business took off. by all accounts, they were he living the charmed life. but that would all change on june 6, 1996. >> it was an average day. it was an ordinary day. you know, i remember going to sleep. >> that night, darly fell asleep in front of the tv with her two sons devon and damon. >> 911, what is your emergency? [ screaming ]

>> ma'am? >> they stabbed me. >> who did? >> darren was upsleep astaitair with their infant. he heard a glass break and that's when he came downstairs to find a bloodloodbath. >> there was blood all over. >> the 6-year-old had two devastating wounds to his chest. he was impaled by a large knife. >> darren tried to perform cpr. >> when i blew into his mouth, the first thing that happened was air came out of his chest and blood spilled all over me. >> is anybody in the house besides you and the children? >> my husband. he's upstairs. oh, my god.

>> darley routier had also been stabbed to the neck and arms. >> she's telling darren that some men came in here and did this. >> all right, listen, ma'am. you need to let the officers in the front door, okay? >> the first two officers who arrived, i think, essentially were just shocked. one of the boys was dead, but the other was alive. damon was found near a wall, and he'd been stabbed multiple times in the back. he was barely alive, and he put down a bloody palm print to help himself up. >> when paramedics arrived, 6-year-old devon was already dead. as they tried to revive 5-year-old damon, he gasped his final breath. >> i got a phone call at 3:00 in the morning. devon and damon are dead, and

darlie might be dying. and i just started screaming. >> darlie was rushed to baylor medical in dallas and was immediately taken into surgery. the necklace she was wearing at the time of the attack was so deeply imbedded in her throat it had to be surgery removed. but it also saved her life, stopping the knife less than two millimeters from her carotid artery. >> the surgeon who treated her said she was lucky to survive this. >> when darley awoke from anesthesia, two detectives were waiting to interview her. >> the story was an assailant was in there. she woke up and a man was over her that she started fighting w and she really wouldn't give any type of description because she said she couldn't remember. couldn't remember his face and couldn't remember anything about it. >> at the crime scene, dents

tried to gather pieces to a murky puzzle. >> i think the police department was entirely overwhelmed. and they didn't know what to do. the way they were handling evidence, the way they were trying to take pictures, they have a camera guy going through there while others were picking up evidence. and anyway, it was just absolute chaos. >> the police department had only handled only one other multiple homicide in their history. so they called help. within minutes, they developed a theory that ruled out an intruder. >> there were numerous items, watches and rings, all laid out on the island in the kitchen, and nothing was taken. darley said that the assailant dropped the knife and she picked it up in the utility room which led to the garage. it was covered with blood. they found where it was laid on the carpet and on the counter in

the kitchen, but they didn't find any evidence of it being dropped in the utility room. that's where she said she picked it up which didn't correlate with the evidence. darren hears glass break. there was a broken glass there which was on top of her bloody fit pri footprints. the red flags were so startling, this ain't making sense. when a crime like that happens it's someone in the house that did this. >> as word of the murders spread, news crews descended on the routier home. >> she said they killed my babies. >> what neighbors say, her son minal had just spent the night tuesday. >> i'm just so glaed wasn't there last night. >> after darly was released from the hospital, she and darren

were driven directly to the police department where they were questioned separately. according to police, in this critical moment, darly's story shifted. instead of waking to face an intruder, darly now claimed her son damon had woken her, calling mommy, mommy. she then saw a man with a knife and followed him into the utility room. >> i do not think that those two stories are mutually exclusive. darly could have been awoken by a burglar and momentarily have a memory lapse or blackout or whatever, and then also have some per accept thception that woken by the baby. >> all i was thinking about was trying to save the babies, i mean darren and i tried to safety babies, but it was too late, and the babies are gone. but we tried. we tried. and we have to live with that forever. >> 12 days after the murders, darren and darly return to the

r roulett police department. they walked in voluntarily, but only one of them would walk out. >> investigators from the police department arrested darly routier. as for the father, darren, at this point, we do not believe he was involved in the murders. we believe that the white male suspect described by darly routier as the man who attacked her and murdered her children never existed. >> i watched it on the 10:00 news, my daughter being arrested. had no clue. had no idea. i look up, and there's darley in handcuffs, crying. >> darley was charged with capital murder and taken to the dallas county jail. >> it just didn't seem real, like it just couldn't be happening. i was just in a place of deep hurt. trying to survive.

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before being arrested for the murder of two of her sons, darlie routier was a 26 year old mother two three boys. she was known as a doting mother who baked cookies for her boys and their neighborhood friends. >> it's terrible to think that a mother would do something like that, but it's good to know they caught the murderer. >> darlie's arrest came less than two years after susan smith claimed an assailant had taken

her two boys before smith herself confessed to driving them into a lake in south carolina. >> as with susan smith, there were two young boys involved. pretty quickly, darlie was called dallas's susan smith. >> she is not a susan smith. and we're going to prove this. >> concern that darlie might be released on bail, child protective services came to take her son drake away from darlie's mother. >> i said you're not taking drake. we haven't done anything wrong. and she said, well, you think darlie's innocent, so we can't be assured that you will protect him. and i said my daughter is innocent until proven guilty, or has it changed now? >> drake was temporarily placed in a foster home and the media spotlight own intensified. >> sources say the routiers may have been in financial trouble

and had recently taken out large insurance policies on the two boys. >> the routiers tried to fight back. >> that was not even enough to bury the boys. >> i stand behind darlie 150%. i know she didn't do it. i know all the millions of little pieces of this puzzle that la cowill come out in the . >> after their radio interview, darlie and darren were handed subpoenas after violating orders not to talk about the case. >> it's an interesting case. and i'm going to look forward to trying it. >> i'm very happy. he's the best. >> his fee was $250,000. and the routiers scrambled to raise all the money they could. >> we started selling everything in the house. all our family members started taking their children's college funds. we sold everything.

>> greg davis was the lead prosecutor assigned to the case. >> the only real announcement we made today was that the state will be seeking the death penalty in this case. >> davis would only try darlie for damon's death, since victims under age 6 qualify for the death penalty. >> the reason they try for one murder, is if she's found innocent they can try her for the second one. that's a way for the state to load up a double-barrel shotgun. >> given the media circus in dlashs the trial was moved to kerrville, texas. >> why that was agreed to is really unfathomable to me. >> the second chair on darlie's defense was raised in kerrville. >> doug moulder always says to me, mosty, if i ever get murdered, i want you to promise that my murderer will get tried in kerr county.

>> on january 6, 1997, darlie's trial began. her family who had all been called as witnesses were banned from the court. but darren's aunt sandy slipped under the radar. >> darlie lynn had asked me, would you lease come to the trial? i had never been to a trial in my life. all i'd seen was perry mason. i didn't know what to expect. >> there was nobody in that courtroom other than me. >> true crime novelist barbara davis who would later publish a book about the case was also in the courtroom. >> the davgreg davis is an extr dynamic prosecutor. he had a way of making you believe that what he said was the god's truth. he began painting darlie as materialistic. worried about her own self and how she looked. a temptress so to speak. he constantly portrayed her as a

psychopath. >> on the stand, retired lieutenant james krom laid out his case for a staged crime scene. jewelry left on the kitchen counter. the murder weapon suspiciously moved and a slashed window screen in the garage. >> burglars, intruders don't usually cut a screen because they know you can pry a screen off very easily. i think it's just a part of staging. >> next, the dallas county medical kpr described her wounds as superficial and potentially self-inflicted. >> it was a straight slice across. but if there really was a killer in there, he would have stabbed her multiple times right through the chest just like he did those boys and she'd be dead. >> the state also focussed on blood spatter from the two boys, found on the back of darlie's night shirt. . >> our blood expert demonstrated how you do that when you're

standing over someone. obviously that's the manner they had to be stabbed. >> and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed, and that remained in that jury's mind. >> for darlie's defense, two doctors were call, one who thought she was suffering from amnesia and another who thought the wounds had not been self-inflicted. they also focussed on the 911 call from the night of the murders. >> the 911 tape, when i heard it, i was very convinced that she was a hysterical mother. but all of a sudden, darlie was worried about touching a knife. >> there's a knife? don't touch anything. >> i already touched it. >> it's okay. it's all right. >> what grieving mother would even think of that. she went from being a victim in

their eyes to a murderer of two little children. >> finally, prosecutors showed a video shot after the murders. >> for some, this may seem a strange thing to do in an odd place and time. ♪ happy birthday, dear devon >> singing happy birthday to a son who was just brutally stabbed over a week ago. >> love you, devon and damon. >> it was one of the strangest things i'd ever seen. not how you'd expect a mother whose boys had been brutally murdered, to grin and smack gum and shoot silly sfring. >> my reaction was what the general publics was. how could a woman whose boys were just murdered do something

like that? and i think it sealed her doom. >> the jurors asked to sigh the silly string videotape nine times. and after only eight hours they returned with their unanimous verdict -- guilty. night had fallen when darlie arrived at the texas department of corrections. considered a suicide risk, darlie was dressed in a white paper gown for her walk to death row. >> it just didn't seem real, like it just couldn't be happening. it seemed like a nightmare. >> do you have anything to say? do you have any comment? is there anything you'd like to say? >> i didn't murder my children. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there.

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after darlie routier was sent to death row, her family quickly ran out of money to pay her attorney douglas moulder. ? we h >> we had a sign a paper after she was convicted that if 2003 did any movies offer bor books whatever we owed him the balance. >> as an appellate lawyer, you get the transcript of the trial and work from the transcript, strictly in what's on the page. in this case, what was on the page was erroneous in large parts, and we had a lot of issues in reconstructing the trial transcript. >> the trial transcript had over

30,000 mistakes. >> it was very serious the difference between yes and no. the difference between up and down. and i'd never seen that before in 25 years of practicing law. >> when sandra halsey, the court reporter for darlie's trial was questioned, she pled the fifth amendment. cooper felt competent the flawed transcript could earn a new trial for darlie, preferably in a courtroom away from kerrville. this drew concern from prosecutors. >> when all this came to light, the state offered her a life sentence, and all she would have to do is basically admit that she had killed her children. >> and what did she say? >> no. >> and what does that tell you about darlie. >> she's strong, she's brave, and she's innocent. >> but just hours before the scheduled hearing, the judge denied darlie's motion. >> these demonstrators protested a state district judge's

decision to cancel the case. >> the issue with the court reporter literally changed the court reporting industry. and there are many people to this day who are astounded that that trial record did not result in a new trial for darlie routier. >> darlie's defense now faced the uphill battle of appeal the. but as cooper dug through evidence he came across a second videotape which never was shown to the jury. >> it was a major factor in her conviction from the jurors' own mouths. but what was not shown to the jury was this two-hour memorial video that took place before the silly string incident. >> the second video was secretly filmed by police, attempting to capture any guilty comments made

at the boys' memorial. >> the preacher was there, family was there. prayers, crying. emotion you would expect, all appropriate behavior. >> i have silly string. >> her sister brought the silly string. it wasn't darlie's idea. >> this was my son's birthday, devon's birthday, and my sister and her boyfriend went and got silly string. he loved silly string. we did for them what devon didn't get to have and what we knew that he would want and enjoy. they took that, and they twisted it and they turned something that was supposed to be beautiful and tried to make it into something very ugly. >> when doug moulder brought up the tape during the trial, the detectives who were asked about it pled the fifth. >> we had a lady on death row in

texas who in the course of litigation the only three people who took the fifth amendment were the two lead detectives and the court reporter. >> the question for cooper was, why hadn't moulder shown this second videotape to the jury. >> i don't know why they didn't show the tape. he said put it in if you want, but they never did put that portion of the tape in. >> i think it was a huge mistake not to show the jury this memorial service. i think it would have effectively nullified any impact the silly string video had. >> as he continued to build darlie's appeal, cooper was confronted with another question. why had moulder never raised darlie's husband darren as a possible sus snebt. >> let's be practical about this. there are two adults in this house and two dead children. and darlie is sliced and cut and beat severely.

well, the most logical culprit of that, if it's not an intruder would be the husband or darren. ? in addition to defending darlie, doug moulder had represented darren in his gag order case. >> we've alleged in several appellate pleadings that mr. moulder was suffering from a conflict of interest. at the time that doug moulder represented darlie, he had a continuing duty to protect darren. >> i was in the room when moulder and darren had that conversation. darren had said, you know, well, i don't want them going after me, because i didn't do anything. and moulder said, well, you didn't do anything, i don't see any reason to go after you. and that was that. >> be very difficult to point a finger at darren, when the person on trial said my husband's not involved. >> at that time, that was just absurd to me. it was, i didn't even want to

hear anything like that. >> what you didn't really hear about at the time was the life insurance on darlie. of which darren was the beneficiary. it was $250,000. >> this insurance policy raised questions, even with one of darren's own family members. >> this is my nephew. i don't know if darren was involved. i know that that is a big question. everybody has their answer to that. in my heart, i say no. in my head, i have a few questions. >> to answer those questions, sandy contacted multi-millionaire brian pardo. he funds investigations for those he thinks are innocent. >> i thought this was important to exclude darin. and the only way he was going to be eliminated as a suspect was

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brian pardo began raising questions about her husband darin. darin adamantly denied any involvement in the murders of his sons and to prove it he submitted to a polygraph test. >> the polygraph examiner worked with the police department. he came around the other side of the table and sat down. and he said, darin, you have utterly failed this examination. it looks to me like you perpetrated this crime. >> i was not. >> you were. >> in what way? >> in what way? you helped plan. you were aware of what happened and you helped carry it out. and you stabbed your wife. >> no, i did not. >> when brian pardo came back and pointed a finger at darin, the whole family went ballistic,

and how dare did aunt sandy do this. i have to admit i wrote and said you're the one on death row, you need to think about what you're doing. >> the polygraph wasn't the only revelation about darin. pardo also hired a private investigator who discovered that before the murder the, darin suggested hiring someone to rob his house so he can collect insurance money. >> he had come up with a skrou ball plan. he had one insurance scam with a car and got the money for the car. >> in a signed affidavit darin admitted to the car scam and the plot for a home robbery. >> i've known darin since he was 15 years old. possibly you could get me to believe that he set it up for a robbery, because he talked about that. he would never hurt his children

or hurt darlie, never. i will never believe that. >> but the results of pardo's investigation differed. >> darlie had no motive at all. and darin had $250,000 worth of motive. i met with darlie and told her that we were very persuaded that darin was a participant in this act. >> when darlie was told some of the facts regarding darin, she totally lost it for the first time in her mind, she thought maybe darin was involved in it. >> i felt betrayed. here's the person that i had been with since high school. that i had three children with. and a good marriage, so i thought. and whether or not that had anything to do with this or not, to know that that had been

plotted behind my back hurt. hurt. >> did it make you think that maybe he could have been behind this? ? this made me have a lot of questions. >> while any case against darin would have been purely circumstantial, that didn't explain why doug moulder hadn't fended off some of the circumstancetial evidence against darlie who was facing death row. >> really the biggest failure was the failure to use any forensic testing to advance the defense on darlie's behalf. >> the primary evidence, i think, was probably the strongest forensic evidence that the state had. >> the state contended that fibers found on a bread knife in the routiers' kitchen matched the slashed window screen. >> they didn't do any testing to exclude any other sources for

that fiber or to pin it down to the screen and only the screen. >> the bread knife had been dusted for fingerprints with a brush that raised questions for cooper. >> my experts tested random fingerprint brushes, and four of them had the same chemical consistency in appearance as this one fiber that was found on the bread knife. >> it's typical in a criminal case that the defense is not satisfied with the state's case. if there was any dispute you would have heard from that evidence. >> if the defense had any experts, who are they? where are they? why aren't they speaking out? >> the d.a. says the defense hasn't brought any witnesses to contra dibts, so the only evidence before you is what our exper experts. >> cooper's team also learned about three fingerprints at the crime scene that police had marked as unidentified. but to match these to a

potential intruder they first had to rule out the family, and police had failed to get prints from devon and damon's bodies. that left them with only one very emotional choice. >> we had to have them exhumed. and have a specialist come in to take their fingerprints, because they footprinted them, but they didn't fingerprint them. >> i just couldn't believe the nightmare had gotten to that point. >> darlie hoped the boys' prints would soon provide evidence of what she claimed all along, concrete proof of an intruder.

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three years after darlie was sentenced to death, her sons' bodies were exhumed in an attempt to rule them out as the source of the unidentified fingerprints found at this crime scene. >> the boys were buried together holding hands. so where the hands were together, the vault had flooded. and that totally destroyed the fingerprints. >> the only other option to identify the fingerprints was dna. but cooper's request for testing was denied.

>> dna would help, but there's other aspects in the case that i think are very helpful to us, so we're not just limited to the dna. >> cooper felt the prosecution's timeline of events also had flaws. >> well, the timeline that's drawn by the state, it was remarkable that they were going to sell it to this jury, because of the long time that she was on the telephone with 911. >> darlie's call to 911 lasted five minutes and 44 seconds. >> damon could only have lived for eight or nine minutes after those wounds were inflicted. this is according to courtroom testimony. so because she was on the phone with 911 for five minutes and 44 seconds she had a lot to do real fast. >> the biggest wrench in the timeline was the discovery of a bloody sock found in an alley 75 yards away from the home.

>> that sock is a big piece of evidence. >> one of the things that had to happen was the blood on the sock. because both boys' bholood was found on the sock. >> they hadn't figured out what to do with the sock. there isn't but a couple of minutes for her to stab and kill the children, cut the screen, get this sock and run it down the alley in the dark, through a gate that doesn't really work very well, come back, then the state claims that she stood at the kitchen sink and injured herself. staged the crime scene. it really defies common sense to believe that all of that could have been done in that time frame. >> but during closing arguments, greg davis asked the jury what loving mother sleeps through the murder of her two children. and then he told the jury, the last thing each of these two children saw was their killer. >> everything pointed to darlie. nothing pointed to anyone else.

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after the publication of true crime writer barbara davis' scathing book, a secret source within the d.a.'s office showed her evidence that she'd never seen. >> when i saw the photographs, this was a small police department, never handled a murder case like this. and the pictures were taken out of sequence. major evidence was picked up and moved around because i saw it here in one picture, and they were here in another, contradicting any, any testimony of staging. i learned an hour before the silly string happened that they had a video showing the prayer vigil before the celebration, but the jury never saw the

solemn, appropriate celebration of the boys' lives. i began to see other photographs, her throat was cut where her dominant hand wouldn't do it. her left hand would have had to have done it. she had bruises up and down her arm. and a picture began to form in my mind, the horror of the injuries she had. if the jurors had seen it, it would have been a different outcome, but they didn't even look at the evidence. the last thing they did was play the silly string tape. and turn to charlie samford who was going, i don't want to do this, i don't think she's guilty, and saying now do you think she's guilty, and the freezing, fitired worn out chare samford said okay. >> when do you something and it's right, after a while, you settle. this never would settle. it never would leave me alone. >> like barbara davis, he was

shocked to learn about the surveillance tape and the photos of darlie's extensive wounds. >> there was a lot of evidence that we in the jury never did see. if i would have seen those pictures before, it would have made a lot of difference in what i thought. >> he says he wasn't shown all the evidence and the evidence he wasn't shown was actually evidence he was shown. >> when the prosecution gets on their high horse and says the pictures were right there, they sure were, with thousands of other things, and they made sure they were mixed in, and the jury was not going to sit through those pictures. >> have any of the other jurors had a change of heart? >> yes, but they don't want to, they don't want to do this. they see me coming down the aisle at walmart, they run the other way. >> in june of 2008, steven cooper finally got the break he

was looking for when the texas court of criminal appeals granted dna testing. >> it's good news. we've been fighting for it for five or six years. we're trying to get some proof of male dna in the house relative to the crime scene. there was a fingerprint on the couch table and that dna would certainly be one. >> if dna shows that there was in fact an intruder that night, how can darlie ever be repaid for all of the years of her life that have been spent in a nine by six cell on death row, and how can she ever be repaid for the years she's lost with her sole surviving son. >> darlie's son drake is now 19 years old. he's never before given an interview. >> i usually won't talk about it. a lot of people kind of knew that yeah, drake's here. his mom's on death row.

it's just part of my life. something i've had to live with for 19 years. >> he's been coming up here since he was, you know, pretty little. he was a little baby. so this is all he really remembers. >> drake lives with his father darin in lubbock, texas, darlie and darin were divorced in 2011. >> darin has done a good job of raising drake. he didn't get the hugs that a mom gives. >> i don't have contact, so i've never gotten to hold him or hug him since i've been in this place. >> there's just a glass in between us. i mean, can't do anything about it. >> in the summer of 2013, drake was forced to deliver devastating news to darlie. >> i was diagnosed with cancer, i mean, a year ago, june 26. >> drake was diagnosed with acute limb foe sittic leukemia. >> i was handed a cell phone in

the hospital bed and heard her voice and i said, mom, i have cancer. i mean, that was probably one of the hardest things i've ever done in my life. >> you know, not being able to hold him. that was extremely hard. i didn't want to break apart for him. i wanted to be strong. >> drake's cancer still requires monthly chemo therapy, but his prospects are remission are positive. >> his body's healing. he helps keep me fighting for sure. >> darlie, will you ever admit to having killed the boys? >> even today, i can't believe that i have a daughter who's innocent on death row. i mean, it just, it changes your whole life. that's what you think about when you wake up. that's what you think about when you go to bed. >> darlie's case is currently on

hold pending dna testing. cooper believes that the results and specifically those of the bloody fingerprint will finally prove that there was an intruder in the home on the night of the murders. >> if we get it approved the appellate court has to try it or dismiss it. they're not go being to retry this case in my opinion. well-prepared attorneys with a good strategy will eat the prosecution alive. >> but time is not on darlie's side. >> in texas, if you've been sentenced to death, you have three appeals. darlie's lost her direct state appeal and lost the writ appeal from the state. if her federal appeals are denied, then the trial judge from that court will set a date of execution. >> i fully expect her to be put to death at one time. and at that time we can finally say that justice was done in that case, and this case is now

closed. >> this must be really hard for you. what would you say to your mom? >> i mean, i love you. i always will. i hope you get out soon. so. >> darlie is unique in the fact that she's maintained her innocence from day one. and she was convicted in my mind partially because of susan smith and what happened there. it became apparent because of the publicity that mothers kill their children. >> it created a perfect storm, and that perfect storm swept up a 26 year old housewife and mother with no prior criminal history and landed her on death row. >> i'm at peace. i'm at peace. i know i didn't do this. it gives me that peace inside. i can look people in the eye. i've done nothing but tell the

truth. my innocent blood will be on their hands, and they will have to answer for that one day. it may not be here. they'll have to answer for it. 15 hours and countless headaches and no deal on the greek bailout. the mexican president is demanding answers after the leader of one of the world's most powerful drug cartels escapes from prison for a second time. diplomats from iran and six world powers say they could be close to a deal on tehran's nuclear program. i'm max foster, welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. >> and i'm rosemary church. good to have you here for another week. this is "cnn newsroom."