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>> charles bolden thanks so much. >> thank you very much. you can watch "the lead" anytime live or on demand. that's it for "the lead." now we go to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." \s happening now, president defiant. president obama holtz a sweeping news conference. scolding a reporter for his question wears in on bill cosby. to back his landmark agreement with iran. the hunt for the later goes cold did the u.s. take on one of the world's most dangerous some are
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now questions how hard mexico is really trying to recapture him. i'll talk with the candidate rick perry. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room". president obama in a rare form today during a wide-ranging press conference in which he vigorously tried to sell skeptics on the land maker agreement to contain iran's nuclear program. he was tough and candid as he spoke at length not only about the deal with iran but about race in america, justice in america, even the rape allegations against the comedian bill cosby. we're also learning new information about the hunt for the leader of isis. sources now telling cnn a flurry of solid intelligence on his whereabouts has now dried up, leaving the united states scrambling to find new sources of information about his movements, we're covering all of
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that and more with our correspondents and guests including republican presidential candidate, the former texas governor rick perry. let's begin with jim acosta. you were in the east room with the president's news conversation. update our viewers. >> president obama came out swinging blasts his opponents, even scolding a reporter he thought was out of line, as he snows said the plan was never designed to solve all the problems with iran, only the big one. >> please have a seat. >> reporter: sounding supremely confident, president obama brushed aside all of the criticisms of his nuclear deal with iran demanding that opponents in congress simply read the agreement. >> i think that if congress does that then in fact based on the facts the majority of congress
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should approve of this deal. but we live in washington and politics do intrude. >> reporter: even though under fire the president relyished the opportunity to ants detractors. >> i am enjoying this iran debate. >> reporter: he praised the agreement and the process, dismissing doubts that iran would get away with cheating. >> suddenly something is missing on the back end, they've got some explaining to do. >> reporter: he insisted is the agreement is more than j.c. post-iran's nuclear ambitions. >> i'm always hopeful behavior may change for the sake of the iranian people as well as people in the region. >> reporter: one question did get under his skin. >> can you tell the country, sir, while you're content with all the fanfare to lead of strength of this nation unaccounted for in relation to
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these four americans? >> the nothing that i am content as i celebrate? with american citizens languishing in iranian jails? major, that -- that's nonsense, and you should know better. i've met with the families of some of those folks. nobody is content. >> reporter: the deal's biggest kept ink is prime minister benjamin netanyahu is blasting the inspection process which could take 24 days to look at suspicious sites. >> that's a long time with the loss of evidence down the toilet. kind of like telling the drug dealer we're going to check your meth lab in 24 days. >> reporter: the president asked his critics, where is their plans? >> for all the objection from are the leadership that has
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already spoken none of them have presented to to me or the american people a better alternative. >> reporter: besides iran the president raised eyebrows when he conceded he won't defeat isis or settle the syrian civil war while in office. when pressed whether he would revoke the presidential medal of freedom for bill cosby, the president said he did not have that authority. it was certainly an interesting press conference. >> it certainly was. elise, there's deep skepticism about trusting iran. did he answer his critics? >> i don't think so. the argument the president is making is not answering the argument of the critics. the president's argument is all about the science of the deal. i think the main critics of this deal are not necessarily about the program anymore. i think it's about the fact they feel this deal gives the iranians a bigger lajes to do
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the other nefarious activity. they'll have a lot of money to spend it on proxies like hezbollah and hamas. they feel while this doesn't necessarily keep the iran yang program in check iran will be much more dangerous particularly to israel. >> the president also said it's not the job of the president of the united states to solve every problem in the middle east. what's your read on that? >> i think you'll get a lot of raised eye browse because they feel this president created a lot of the problems in the middle east. don't forget president obama came to office in 2009 blejing to engage the muslim world, to engage the arab world. all that time you saw the arab spring the countries felt the president was slow to answer that particularly in the civil war in syria. they feel he didn't get involved early enough and now you have this bigger problem with syria with isis and now for him to say he's going to leave office
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without solving the syrian civil war or the problem with isis i think they always felt a lot of the gulf allies in particular and israel that this president kind of abandoned them. i think those comments will only fuel that criticism. we're also following the hunt for the leader of isis sources telling cnn after promising intelligence a trail has now gone cold. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is joining us. what are you learning about this effort to locate al baghdadi. >> reporter: what we know is there's been a stream of intelligence that u.s. officials have monitored indicating al baghdadi was in and aaron the northern city of raqqa, the self-declared capital of isis. now, the intelligence was never solid enough timely enough for the u.s. to order in an air strike to try to kill him.
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officials are very adamant about that. it was a stream of intelligence that they were following. then a couple weeks ago, by all accounts according to sources we have talked to the intelligence essentially dried up. not very surprising these kinds of things usually recess involved around intercept of cell phone conversations, intercepts of electronic conversation. this kind of covered activity comes and goes. you can certain assume they are trying to pick up the trail again. all eyes are on the city of raqqa. several officials telling us over the last many days and weeks isis is moving around a lot, in and around that city. isis leadership weapons, personnel, equipment on the move. they were getting pressure from kurdish force to the in order, u.s. air strikes are picking up. this is the play that the u.s. is looking at around the clock to see what intelligence they
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can pick up. >> barbara thank you. joining us the republican presidential candidate, the former texas governor rick perry, joining us from austin texas. thanks very much for joining us. >> an honor to be with you. >> you've kale this deal one of the most destructive foreign policy decisions in my lifetime. give us an analysis. more destructive than the vietnam war, for example? >> since 1968070 we have worked with a nonproliferation concept. that's been our policy for decades. this president has turned it on its head 180 degrees in my opinion. that's why i want this is one of the most destructive policies i have seen. this is truly a major change. >> the president says it stops virtually all areas, opportunities for iran to
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develop a nuclear weapon. >> the president and i obviously disagree that you can trust the iranians. this is the country that killed stanch at number of our marines in beirut. this is the country that delivered weapons that killed our soldiers in iraq. this is the country that literally less than 90 days ago we had a naval blockade to keep them from delivers women's to the houthi rebels in yemen. somehow or another this president naively believes they're going to live up to these agreements. i think b.b. net n ya brksb. -- bibi netanyahu is spot on. the clear challenges to look into those facilities and know what they are doing, all this sends a terrible message to our allies. again, the president may be the most naive individual in the
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world to think he can trust the iranians. >> the president says he doesn't trust the ran yawn. that's why he las all these other contingencies included precisely because he says he doesn't trust them. their line now is don't trust, but verify. ronald reagan used to say trust but verify. he says don't trust, but verify. >> i think the president believes these safe cards that he says are put in place for the inspector toss go in for instance i mean the idea we're going to give them 24 days' notice? i mean this was -- i don't want barack obama -- i don't want president obama negotiating for me. he gave away the farm before we ever really sat done. i mean we had iran in a very tight position on the sanction side of this.
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i think we could have brought them to the table with the sanction pressure we had in place. we could have insisted upon the stopping of terrorism being exported out that country, but he takes the position of all he wanted was this nuclear agreement, which my takeaway from that wolf is that the president you that he couldn't get any of these other things and he kept getting narrower and narrower with this agreement to where he got one thing. the good news is the united states senate will have the last say. i hope that senators democrats and republicans, do use some very good thoughtful observations before he agree toe an agreement that could literally put the middle east in great chaos. >> what would you do governor if you were president of the united states on day one? assuming this deal goes into effect, what would you do? >> well number one, i think
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we're putting the cart before the horse here to say that the deal will get done. >> i said assuming. >> sending the message now that on day one rick perry, if president of the united states would do away with that and clearly put sanctions back into place, put back an ability to be able to squeeze iran? i mean that country wants to be clearly the leader of the middle east. i think the saudis the majoritienance the turks the egyptians, obviously israelis as well that's the making of a coalition along with the united states that put iran in a being of being a good neighbor a country that can indeed not be exporting terrorism, that
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doesn't try to create chaos in that part of the world. i think they missed an extraordinary number with the arab spring a number of opportunities to get iran to be a legitimate decent neighbor. today they are celebrating in the streets. there are two people happy today. obviously the leadership in iran and mr. assad, president assad. >> stand by governor. i want to talk about the race for the white house. donald trump is doing amazingly well. we'll get your thoughts on what's going on. much more with republican presidential candidate rick perry, when we come back. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use,
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we're back with rick perry, the former governor of texas. we just learned a few moments ago your junior senator from texas, ted cruz just entered trump tower in new york for a meeting with donald trump. what do you make of what's going on? >> everybody gets to pick with who they hang out with. i have no idea what's going on. i'm focused on talking to the american people about the only person that will be standing on the stage that has actually done something about border security and i looked the president and said if you don't secure the border texas will along with our ranger recon teams that we
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had in the river along with our national dar, but saw a 74% become in the apprehensions. if you want to talk about border security there's only one individual in this country that's been engaged with it and had some success with it. i know how to do this, wolf. the put the personnel on the ground you have the strategic fencing, the aviation access of assets with quick-response teams to the activities that are either clearly illegal or suspicious. that's how you security the border. we just have not had the will in washington, d.c. to do that. i tell people if you want to security the border elect me to the united states and the will will reside in washington, d.c. >> donald trump says he has the best ideas on securing the border would build a huge fence
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and get mexico to pay for it. your reaction? >> i know how to secure the border. i think is a wall is a what he calls this. the bottom line is we know how to secure the border and rhetoric will not do it. action is going to be what's required. you put the personnel on the border. a wow personnel there means nothing. you build a 30-foot wall and the 35-foot ladder business gets good. the rhetoric is one thing, action and clearly having a plan and having the executive experience of having done this before is i think what the american people will look for. >> he's doing well having him at 17%, jeb bush is down at what 13% or so. could you see donald trump as the republican presidential nominee? >> i think we're a long way from being able to have any faith that a poll is going to hold up between now and into when the primary season is over with.
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there's a lot of good men and women that will be standing up and talking about their vision for this country. mine will be a positive vision about the great opportunities economically. the fact is america is not going to be secure until we have an economy that allows us to bring the resources into this country so we can rebuild our military so we can send a message to allies that america will be strong again and stand up with our allies. it's a long time to the primary. i suspect the poll with his ebb and flow. >> do you think he's qualified to be president of the united states? >> i think there are a lot of people qualified. >> what about trump? >> i think the real question is who's the most qualified? at that particular point in time whether it's my life experiences of having grown up on that farm in texas or having worn the uniform of this country, whether it's been the chief executive of the 12th largest economy in the world for the last 14 years, and i think
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inarguably a record of job crazy that nobody else even gets close to. that's what the american people are going to look for. not whether there's a lone list of people who may be qualified. who is the most qualified. here's a hypothetical question. if he did get the republican presidential nomination and asked you to be his running mate, would you say yes? >> i think that is a way premature question to be asking me. we're running for the presidency at this point in time. let's talk about el chapo's escape from prison in mexico. this is the second time he's escaped. he was arrested last year the u.s. requested to have him extradited. mexico refused. what's going on in mexico? you live right there on the border. >> it's not passing the smell test that's for sure. there are some real challenges with corruption in mexico. we have known that for a long time. this goes right to the hard of why washington, d.c. must live
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up to its constitutional requirement to secure the border. the drug trafficking, the trans-national gangs. we've been dealing with this for lots of years here. we see the impact of it and it doesn't just stop in texas. obviously county attorneys and sheriffs in new hampshire came up to me last seven and said governor thank you for what you are doing to secure that border. we're being impacted by people coming into this country who are, you know pushing their drugs, committing crimes against our citizens so this entire example of a lack of being able to keep this very, very dangerous man in prison is a great example of why america needs to get serious about securing that border. again i go back to only one person who is asking to be the president of the united states who has actually had the experience of dealing with this and that's me. >> what i hear you saying is you believe mexico is a national security problem for the united
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states? >> i think there are people in mexico that are a national security problem. we've known that for a long time and we've been saying that for a long time. the idea that we've got this porous border and people who would do harm to americans, whether they're mexicans or otms, other than mexicans as they're referred to, know that that border is secure. we're going to continue to be exposed to individuals that will do harm to us whether they are terrorists or drug car tells or have trans-national gangs, until that border is secure. put the personnel on the border in the right places have the strategic fencing in place, and use the aviation assets that we have at this particular point in time with the technology that is available to look down 24/7 identify what's going on and send those quick-response teams and secure of border. this isn't rocket science. there's just no will in washington, d.c. to keep the america people safe.
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>> governor rick perry, thanks very much for joining us. >> you're welcome, wolf. coming up i'll be joined by tom freidman who sat down with an exclusive interview with the president yesterday. we'll discuss what's going on with the iran nuclear deal. later, astonishing new video the moment a mexican drug lord disappeared from his prison cell. we'll take a closer look at the tunnel he used a mile-long tunnel a sophisticated tunnel to break out of that prison. r company of the year? ranking from top to bottom. luxury cars just seem like they would be top awarded. yeah. there better be some awards behind what you are paying for right? the final answer. chevrolet is the most awarded car company of the year. really? i was just surprised. i'm interested to learn more about chevy. let's check out these 2015 chevy's. it's like a luxury car. i was shocked. i mean, this is chevy? when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone
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after president obama announced the nuclear deal with iran yesterday, first thing he did was sit down with "new york times" columnist tom freidman for a lengthy interview. tom is here. i watched the whole 46-minute interview with the president. you've been skeptical in some aspects. did he convince you he knows what he's doing? >> i think the president made a strong argument for his argument which is at this stage where we're at there is really no other choice. there is no other realistic way to bring iran's nuclear program until control, put distance between its ability to make a weapon then this -- than this verifiable agreement. >> the price the u.s. and others are paying $150 billion in sanctioning that will be lifted
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a huge price for a country that the u.s. regards as the leading sponsor of terrorism. >> the injection of capital? >> and there's no restrictions on what they can do with that money. >> there's really tension, if you look at israel's interesting and america's interests. both israel and america have a fundamental interest in iran not acquiring a nuclear weapon. we don't want to be the end of the nuclear nonproliferation regime. if iran is not going to get a nuclear weapon america can live with a strong iran -- we don't want an overly powerful iran but we don't want a weak iran. if israel can't give -- or israel does not want a strong iran under any conditions. that's where the tension is between the two, because america wants to see a balance of power in that region between iran and the sunni states. it doesn't want to be a one side totally vang wishing the other. >> i watched the entire
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interview he gave you. and watched the entire news conversation. he seemed more at ease confident, talking to you than talking at that news conference. i don't know if you agree with me. >> i didn't see all of the news conference, but the president has clearly thought about this whole issue. you know at one point there are two things that jumped out at me from what he said. one was how much putin had been a helping in the end. that was something i was really curious about. >> he was really kind. basically said the deal couldn't have been done without him. >> had they not stepped up and kept the pressure on iran. the other is you know because the president spent a lot of his life living overseas he's a person who knows what the world looks like -- what america looks like from the outside in. at with one point he said in a very guarded way, but nevertheless pointed, let's
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remember back in the 1950s, the united states cia topple the a democratically elected government in iran. the united states supported iraq using poison gas against iran during the iran/iraq war or tacitly accepted it. even paranoises have enemies. what he's basically saying is there's no excuse for the anti-semitism, no excuse for the hostilities towards israel but the paranoid nature of that regime isn't entirely out of context. >> you know the president well you have interviewed him several times, and you've obviously covered him. i want to play the exchange he had with the without correspondent from cbs news major garrett. there was a sensitive moment there involving this iran nuclear deal and for americans who are being held prisoners in iraq. >> can you tell the country, sir, why you are content, with all fanfare around this deal to leave the conscience of this nation the strength of this nation unaccounted for in
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relation to these four americans? last week the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said under no circumstances should there be any relief for iran in terms of ballistic mims or conventional weapons. it's perceived that was a last-minute capitulation in these negotiations making the pentagon feel you left the chairman high out to dry. would you comment? >> i've got to give you credit major, for how you craft those questions. the notion that i am content, as i celebrate? with american citizens languishing in iranian jails? major, that's nonsense, and you should know better. i've met with the families of some of those folks. nobody is content. >> what did you think of that exchange? i asked you not only as a columnist, but we were both
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white house correspondents during the clinton administration and both asked questions. >> i think i would have framed the question differently, you know wolf if you wanted a real blend. i think the real question the real point is there's some strayedoffs here. who is holding? -- who do we believe is behind this holding of americans? iran and arresting "the washington post" journalist. it's the people who don't want this deal. the united states said we're not going to do anything until these people are out we would have been playing into the hardliners that don't want this deal. that said we've got to keep the pressure on to get these people out. but this is one of the most important strategic decisions any president has had to make. i went into journal i678 in 1979. i've never known any other than a host of relationship between the united states and iran.
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we are at the very beginning of possibly refusing that. it involves huge tradeoffs. those are tough calls. honor those calls. i think as a journalist we should respect those are hard tradeoffs. the president isn't just sitting there say wonderful, let's just toss these people overboard so i can have one good day in washington, d.c. i kind of don't think so you. >> pull posted the entire view the site. thanks for coming in. tom freidman from "new york times" joining inging us. maybe the most dramatic moment in the news conference. stunning new pictures of the tunnel. where is he now? developing some of the highest quality nutrition isn't easy so at gnc, why do we do it? why do we work to deliver
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tomorrow president obama becomes the first u.s. president to visit a federal prison while in office. it's part of his effort to try to spur reform in the nation's criminal justice system. during his news conference he zeroed in. >> there's a huge spike in incarcerations is also driven by noun violent -- where the sentencing is completely out of proportion with the crime.
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>> the president and ceo of the naacp is joining us now. i want to get your quick reaction. today you heard from former president bill clinton. he said that the law he signed as president back in 1994 he said worsened the nation's criminal justice system by increasing prison sentences. he said i signed a bill that made the problem worse, and i want to admit it. what was your reaction when you heard president clinton say that? >> i thought it was a window into husband character as both a human being and as a leader. the fact that he could in the family atmosphere of the naacp convention admit a mistake, and going beyond the mistake to speak to the need for the reform. he spoke about the mistake in
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the past but also about the need to bring reform in the moment. it was a wonderfully moving speech but an extraordinary moment. not too many people would be willing to admit that we have 2.3 million people behind bars on these mandatory minimums that have created a class of incarcerated people. it's a rare politician who will admit havinging in to do with intensifying a problem. >> it was a pretty amazing moment i talk it. today, as you know president obama tomorrow will become the first sitting president to visit a federal prison. are you disappointed that it's taken this long to start making these reforms? >> look at this. african-americans constitute merely 1 million of the 2.3 million incarcerated population.
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after kaj americans are incarcerated nearly six times the rates as white, 1 in 6 black men have been incarcerated and if the current trend continues 1 in 3 black males can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime. what's going on over here? the president spoke truth to a powerful problem in our country namely he -- he also spoke about the fact there's nearly 1 million fathers behind bars 2.3 million people behind bars an incarceration rate that's quadrupled over the course 6 a generation. he spoke about the need for reform and the fact that now is an opportune moment where we
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have people all across the ideological spectrum coming to the moral/ethical/civic conclusion that now is the time to be smart on crime as well as tough on crime and not be tough and unwise when it comes to dealing with ex-offenders. so he spoke to that in a very compelling way, and spoke about the fact that now is extraordinary moment to do this. he also said it's knotts enough politicians to support reform. he talked about the need to have the naacp marches not only in the days past but also marching now. i would note also that president clinton today talked about america's journey for justice and the need to put boots on the ground as well as laws on the books, so it's interesting, president obama and president clinton talking about the fact
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this is a challenge that needs to be embraced not only by politicians in washington but by people in their hometowns all across their country. we have to build a groundswell of report if we're going to reform the nation's sentencing laws if we're going to form our educational policies as president clinton put it today to ensure more people are educated behind bars so that they don't return to prison once they have they leave. this has an historic and extraordinary days. >> i'm sure it has been. thank you for joining us. appreciate it very much. coming up here in sich soich, one moment he's in a cell. the next month he's gone. we now have new information on the mexican drug lord's brazen escape.
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we're learning new details about a notorious mexican drug lord's escape from prison. even video of the moment he
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disappears from his prison cell. cnn's brian todd is here. what are you learning? >> reporter: a short time ago i got new information from u.s. mexican officials on this manhunt. tonight we have stunning surveillance video showing how easy it was for joaquin el chapo guzman to get out of the prison. he faces around his cell goes into the shower stall, comes back to his bed and changes his shoes. then goes back into the shower stall fully clothed and disappears. surveillance video shows how stunningly fast the world's most notorious drug lord el chapo was able to escape from mexico's alto plato prison. >> he goes behind the wall. poof he is gone. >> reporter: out of the view of the cam rain his cell behind the partition of the shower stall, a hole in the floor to this elaborate underground tunnel with electricity, lights ventilation and tracks laid
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along the ground. authorities say this modified motorcycle was used to transport tools and ton after ton of dirt excavated from all the digging. the tunnel runs for a mile underground and end up with a ladder leading up a shaft to a half-built house which disguised the exit of the tunnel. from the safe house the walls of the prison where he was held can be seen in the distance. a mexican official tells cnn the u.s. and mexico are exchanging intelligence including some from informants in the manhunt. the u.s. is providing technical support. tonight dea officials say they're on the ground working shoulder to shoulder with their mexican counterparts. >> el chapo is hoping and planning on the fact that the good guys the cops on both side of the border don't talk to each other. don't connect the dots. and i'm here to till you we are doing that better now than we have ever done it. and if i was him, i'd be looking over my shoulder. >> reporter: the deputy dea administrator jack riley says u.s. officials did press for
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guzman's extra- extradition last year. riley who spent fighting the cartel in chicago and texas is personally angry over the escape. >> when i got the call at 2:30. >> jack riley says if and when el chapo is recaptured the u.s. will press again for his extradition. motivation for riley. guzman's responsibility for the explosion of cheap, potent heroin on the streets of chicago, where riley led the battle against guzman's operations. wolf. >> also getting new information from your sources brishgs ssources, brian, the surveillance monitoring bracelet he was supposedly wearing. >> that's right. there is some question whether el chapo left that ankle bracelet in the cell when he left. or not. but a mexican official told me the bracelet he was wearing on his ankle would not have helped track him outside of the prison. the bracelet did not have gps on it. this official says because gps
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does not work inside the walls of that prison. it is for internal use only. monitoring him as he moved around the facility. we are told about the surveillance camera. one of 600 surveillance cameras inside the prison. again the two critical blind spots it left. out of concern for his privacy we're told that made the difference. that didn't capture him leaving. >> interesting enough. all right, thank you very much. coming up. president obama he is trying to win over critics of the iran nuclear deal. a few of them sharper than israel. the israeli ambassador to the united states he is standing by. also disturbing video, american terror suspect telling interrogators how he was influenced by isis and detailing his alleged bomb plot.
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