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"the situation room" tomorrow. remember you can watch us live or you can always dvr the show so you won't miss a moment. tweet me @wolfblitzer. we would love to hear from you. our breaking news continues right now with erin burnett "out front." we have breaking news on many fronts. four marines shot and killed outside a military site in tennessee. new information at this hour about the alleged shooter mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. his wrestling coach is my guest. investigating the terrorism across the country. the survivor of a plane crash in wash washington state telling her story. you will hear how she survived for the first time. let's go "out front."
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good evening. i'm erin burnett. we begin with breaking news. cnn learned the alleged gunman who opened fire at two military sites in tennessee today is 24-year-old mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. four american marines were killed. at least three others wounded. the shooter is dead. law enforcement source says the fbi is investigating it as terrorism. this is a picture of abdulazeez. smiling picture. a normal looking young man. >> what we know is that somebody brutally and brazenly attacked members of our armed services and officers of the chattanooga police department and the sheriff's office responded immediately. they were able to make sure that no further loss of life happened. >> tonight, the department of homeland security increasing
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security at federal buildings here in new york security amped up at military recruiting stations and other sensitive locations. moments ago, the president of the united states speaking and saying given the nature of the shootings, he is putting military bases on alert. >> also been in contact with the department of defense to make sure that all our defense facilities are properly attentive and vigilant. >> victor blackwell begins our coverage. victor i know there are breaking developments that you have involving the shooting where you are standing right now. >> reporter: we know that the other location the naval reserve center four marines were killed. we know moments ago receiving word from the marine corps that the shooter's bullets hit more than doors and windows. a recruiter was shot in the head. has been released from the
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hospital. the fbi teams are here on the ground pacing looking for shell casings and a motive in this shooting. around 10:45 this morning, the first shots fired. a witness says a silver mustang convertible pulled into the plaza lined with military recruiting offices. >> he pulled up and i didn't think anything of it. he looked to the side and next thing you know he lifted up his arms like this with a big black gun and just -- it was one shot and then it was endless shots, one after another, just unloading. >> reporter: from there the alleged shooter, now identified at mohammod youssuf abdulazeez took off racing to a naval reserve center seven miles away. police responded giving chase, catching up with him at the reserve center where a gun battle broke out. >> they arrived on the scene extremely quickly. they actively and enthusiastically engaged this brazen criminal. >> the response by the local law
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enforcement was overwhelming. they were able to neutralize the threat. >> reporter: four marines were killed on the scene. at least three others were wounded. sources tell cnn the shooter also died on the scene. it was all over within 30 minutes. a former recruit is devastated to see the aftermath. >> we are treating this as an act of domestic terrorism. >> reporter: late tonight, a source tells cnn the fbi is working it as a potential terrorism investigation. while investigators on the other side of that crime tape are taking photographs and collecting evidence on this side of the tape members of this community are coming some in tears, leaving flowers and notes for the people who have been killed and injured in this attack at two locations tonight. >> victor thank you. gary tuchman, i want to go to him outside the alleged
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shooter's family home. it's a few miles outside of chattanooga. gary you have found a lot out about mohammod youssuf abdulazeez, the alleged killer. what do you know? >> reporter: i can tell you this. this neighborhood which is a 15-minute drive away from where the four marines were killed is a beautiful upscale neighborhood. he lived here most of his life. we talked to one particular neighbor who lives two doors down from where abdulazeez lived. he says he has known abdulazeez since he was 7. he says that his two sisters, older sister and younger sister used to baby-sit for his children. he says abdulazeez was in his house at times. very pleasant and he was stunned when he heard about this. you see the police cars behind me. that's because they have closed off the street not only to the news media but also to residents. right now, federal, local and state officials are inside the house going through it making sure there's no booby traps, explosive devices, seeing what
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evidence they can find. they have been there for at least an hour and a half. we saw an ambulance go in. we believe it was for precaution. they are looking through the house. we are told that at one point, people inside the house, we presume family members, were told to come out with their hands out. they came out. the police are searching the home. >> have you had a chance to speak to some of the neighbors? what are they telling you about him, what kind of person he was? >> reporter: what they are telling us -- they are telling us that this is a fine family. they have gotten along with people in the neighborhood. the people in the neighborhood have gotten along with them. they say that abdulazeez himself did not talk very much. this one neighbor we talked to who his sisters baby-sat for his kids told us he was a nice polite young man. this is the sad part. this man we talked to he heard about this on the radio and he said i hope that's not in my neighborhood. he saw all the police cars then.
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then he heard it was abdulazeez and he said he was stunned. he never saw anything wrong with this kid in any way, shape or form and tote will you stunally stunned. >> the fbi is working overtime to nail down his motive why this could have happened. is there anything that you know about at this moment? >> reporter: no. what we know about this young man, he was 24 years old. he graduated three years ago from the chattanooga campus of the university of tennessee with an electrical engineering degree. he had a couple of internships. if he had a full-time job we don't know about it. his trail stops around 2012 when he had his last internship. educated college graduate. he talks about lou he is proficient in all these things. if you look at his resume you think this is a guy with a bright future. instead, he is dead and he killed all these innocent people. >> gary thank you very much. as he gets more information -- i
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want to emphasize, what we know about the alleged shooter mohammod youssuf abdulazeez is developing moment by moment. i want to bring in his high school coach, his wrestling coach. he joins me now on the phone. let me start with you, what was he like? you heard what our reporter was able to gain from neighbors who knew him. you knew him well. you coached him. what was he like? >> caller: yes, i did. i knew him very well. he was a great student. he was a good wrestler. you know he was a smart individual. he was very friendly. got along with the whole team. he actually started for me. and he always contributed, always did what i asked him to do. never had any problems. he was very humble when he was in high school. he looked me in the eye. he was just -- in high school he was a great kid.
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>> that sounds very consistent with what gary is hearing. you are adding in the word humble. gary was reporting the neighbors are saying the family attends a local mosque regularly. do you know or when he was in high school did faith play any role in his life? >> caller: i don't want to go into it too much. when he was would need to pray he would say, you know coach i have to go pray. i would say okay. sometimes he would miss practice. other than that no. his mom and dad would come to the wrestling matches. i have had conversations with his father. they were always very supportive. to the best of my ability, they're a great family. i'm totally in shock. a lot of my former wrestlers have been reaching out to me. my prayers to the families even his family as well. i don't have answers for it.
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doesn't seem like him. >> it sounds like this is someone who was -- faith was important in his life. he was humble. he was a good student. he was a starter for you. it sounds like what you are saying is whatever happened here it happened after you knew him, something must have changed. >> caller: i mean i don't want to agree to that extent. i just know that as a student -- he was a regular student. there was no red flags about anything. that i could say, you know here or there, yes. no mohammod he was one of the guys that we had a tight bond together. no i mean his everyday activities were normal. i took one summer at wrestling camp to talk to mohammod because i was interested in some things about him. i just wanted to know. after our conversation i felt
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like i knew more about him than i had taken the time to know which made me feel better about him. because a lot of people don't take the time to get to know a person once they find out their religion. i didn't see anything different at all. i even talked to him -- i talk to all my wrestlers after high school. he reached out to me last year and let me know how he was doing. >> you did speak to him in the past year. >> caller: yeah. he contacted me. >> kevin, i appreciate your taking the time to share this with us. a lot of this is new information as we're trying to understand more about what could have caused this horrific act. andy berke is "out front." i appreciate you taking the time. you heard our reporter. the wrestling coach talking about him as humble a great student. there were no red flags. he was a young man of faith who missed practice to pray at times. a very polite young man.
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that's what he was able to tell me. what else can you tell us about mohammod? >> i don't know anything except for what i know from today. of course today's incident was a horrible and violent scene in our city. we had four marines tragically killed. a couple others wounded. one of our own, a chattanooga police officer, was shot in the leg by the shooter. so for us you know and for me i think, today our hearts are breaking in this city from what happened. >> are you concerned at this point, mayor, from the briefings that you are receiving, that he could be part of something that would involve anyone else any sort of a cell or bigger operation? >> i'm not concerned that there is an issue right now in chattanooga. everything that we have seen
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indicates that there was nothing else going on today. but every one of our resources right now is devoted to fully investigating whether he was part of something bigger. and if so what? i know that the fbi, the atf, the chattanooga police department sheriff's office, all of us have everybody on duty to make sure we know everything about this incident possible. >> was there any warning in advance? any threat? anything similar when you look back that you now say, that could have told us? >> no. there really wasn't. in fact you know we have already had discussions with the fbi about that. most of our information that's homeland security related comes from the federal government. there was not any indication that something was going to happen today. i will say though that our officers were prepared and acted
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heroically. you know i spent several hours listening to them describe what was really a harrowing and violent scene. bullets whizzing around them. you know they were telling me about the training that they had received and how it kicked in when they encountered really this horrible incident. >> thank you very much mayor. i appreciate your time tonight. our breaking news coverage continues "out front" next with security stepped up across the country. was this act of terror inspired by isis? an eyewitness describing the moments the alleged gunman opened fire and how she got away. she is "out front" next. she's my guest.
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breaking news. four u.s. marines killed in a shooting rampage car getting military sites. the alleged gunman 24-year-old mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. he fired dozens of shots with a high powered rifle. officials say this is now a terrorism investigation. tonight, high alert. the department of homeland security saying it is boosting security across the nation in the wake of these attacks. we're hearing that in new york city and washington, d.c. where rene marsh is "out front." this is something that has now changed the security picture across the nation. >> reporter: absolutely. a short time ago, homeland security secretary jeh johnson
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announced that he is ordering enhanced security at certain federal buildings. a government source is telling me that includes buildings here in washington, d.c. as well as tennessee where this incident occurred but is not limited to those two areas. we should point out, because of the security concerns the department of homeland security is not giving any details as far as which specific buildings will receive this enhanced security. they are also not giving many details or any details at all about what this enhanced security would look like. but they are stressing that it is being done out of an abundance of caution, of course. it's not the first time we have seen dhs make a move like this. before july 4th we saw they ramped up security at federal buildings. we saw the same situation last year after the canadian government was under attack. this is something that we have seen before. again, the headline in light of
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what we are hearing here department of homeland security secretary jayeh johnson ordering enhanced security. >> thank you very much. now as our breaking news continues, we have breaking details on the last moments of the alleged shooter's life mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. our justice reporter evan perez is breaking this tonight. what are you learning? >> reporter: we know he was killed by a chattanooga police officer who was responding to the second shooting the secretary scene there, which was the naval training center. that's where this ram pagepage came to an end. that's where the marines were killed that's where they died. according to sources, what he did was he rammed the vehicle through a gate to be able to enter the grounds there. that's where he shot and killed those people that died today. we're told erin that he was not in any of the databases that
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the fbi had been looking at. increased concern about isis supporters around the united states as hundreds believed to be supporters who are in various stages of support of isis. so the fbi has been very much concerned about that some of these people could be plotting attacks, again, following up on isis' calls for attacks during the month of ramadan, which ends today. the question is why wasn't he on this -- on the databases? was it because he was purposely off the radar or was it something that perhaps was missed? that's now the big focus of the fbi. that's why you see the fbi director at the white house. he is having to explain what the fbi has been doing that this is their biggest fear is that they might miss some of these guys. >> thank you very much evan with those breaking details. i want to go to paul crookshank. paul the fbi, they have given
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us the name, mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. four marines are dead. what do you now think about his motive? >> i think we have to be careful still about calling this islamic terrorism. we don't know whether it's islamic terrorism or whether that could be some other kind of motive. that is always possible. there's a strong possibility it could be islamic terrorism. the context here is isis calling for a surge of terrorism during ramadan. this is the last day of ramadan, about an hour to go until sunset before ramadan finishes. isis leaders have said -- they have issue edd orders saying they will get awarded ten times in the afterlife. the timing may be significant here. also you know the target may be significant as well. isis have called on their followers in the west to launch attacks on military targets, on
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soldiers. we have seen isis-inspired plots in the last few months in the united states against those targets. >> you are saying -- we do not know the motive. it's important to emphasize that. as you say though the timing would fit with isis' call for. talking to the former wrestling coach of this man was he was a great student. he was humble. he was polite. this fits with what our reporter is hearing on the street where he lived. you are hearing everybody is completely shocked. in terms of his faith, his family attended mosque regularly. in high school he would miss practice sometimes to pray. the mosque director at the mosque in chattanooga is telling gary tuchman he was not familiar with mohammod. he was not a regular attendee. when you put that together does that say anything to you? >> well unclear on the
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motivation motivation. we have seen people being very very quickly radicalized, particularly in the isis-inspired plots. moving from being not particularly devout at all to launching terrorist attacks and terrorism attempts within the space of just a few months sometimes. we have seen examples of young men and young women hide their radicalization from their families. we have seen examples of them inhabiting a parallel universe online when they may be interacting. >> can happen quickly. >> they will investigate that at this point. but we do not yet know at this hour whether this was an islam is tearislamic terrorist attack. >> timing and target but we do not yet know. the fbi working every second they can to figure out what the
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motive was. thank you very much paul. we will speak to a woman who witnessed the shooter drive up to a military site and open fire. she was there. she saw it. she will be with me. the survivor of the fiery plane crash in washington state. you see her there speaking out for the first time. >> go up and there was a light and it was all trees and all fire.
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our breaking news tonight, four marines killed three people wounded in a deadly shooting rampage that targeted military centers in tennessee. the alleged gunman is mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. he was dead at the scene. the fbi is treating this as a terrorism investigation. authorities say abdulazeez shot
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and killed the marines and was then killed himself. we don't know the full circumstances of whether that was at his hands or by law enforcement. drew you were able to get exclusive video of the car that abdulazeez allegedly used to carry out these attacks. >> reporter: it's literally 200 yards from where i'm standing but down over the side where the cars are. you see the yellow police tape. the building there is the naval reserve center. the video that we took which i hope you are seeing now, shows the car, which had rammed through at least part of the gate part of the barrier. it is that rented mustang. all the doors are open. the hood is open. the trunk is open. obviously, the site of an intensive forensic evidence hunt. you can tell you that that forensic evidence is being gathered at this hour. there were several dozen agents still there combing the area. as you said somewhere behind me is where those four marines were
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killed and where the suspect was gunned down. according to our justice reporter evan perez, by a chattanooga police officer. >> what more are you learning about the alleged gunman? we have been talking to people who knew him. desperately trying to find out what the motive could be. what have you learned? >> reporter: this falls into that repetitive puzzling category. this kid, although kuwait jordanian roots and born in kuwait he was ever bit an american person american kid, all american is what his mixed martial arts coach just told me. he was from a muslim family. he was devout. they were devout. he would stop during practice 6:00 at night, go into the coach's office, lay down his rug and pray. but never any kind of that islamic radicalized talk or anger, according to the coach.
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just to build on what paul just told you, that is what we hear a lot of times. these people if this becomes a radicalized islamic terror event, these young boys especially these young kids can be radicalized very quickly. it happens over the internet. it often happens without any knowledge of their own muslim community going on. they simply stop going to the local mosques because, quite frankly, they start to not like what's happening in their local mosque. they think their mosque should be fighting the war. they look elsewhere. >> it's interesting. the high school wrestling coach said the same thing to me he would miss practice to pray. to your point there, the director of the mosque the family apparently goes to said he was not familiar with mohammod didn't know him. that would fit what you said if perhaps he stopped attending. obviously, we don't know at this point. he says he didn't know him.
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is there anything else drew as you have been reporting this to give us a better sense of who this man is? you are talking about with roots in kuwait and jordan but an all american kid. >> right. graduated from high school. graduated from the local college. had an electrical engineering degree. had internships at some of the local businesses here and was seeking full-time employment. on the surface on his resume living the american dream with all the benefits of america open to him. that's what we can tell you right now. why he snapped, we have no idea. >> thank you very much. i want to go to erica wright on the phone. she was there today working at the hair salon two doors down from the first shooting location the military recruiting center. thank you very much for talking to us. i know you must still be in shock and fear. you were at work? you heard popping sounds. when you looked out, what did
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you see? >> caller: well we heard a loud noise that we thought was a car backfiring or something like that. then there was a pause. so we went to the window or the front door to see what exactly was going on. when we looked out that door we saw a guy in a silver mustang convertible just unloading a large gun on the naval center two doors down from us. so at that time we just ran to the back of the building grabbed our phones and called 911. by the time -- when we got on the phone, a couple of seconds later, the shooting stopped is. we looked up and he was pulling out of the parking lot. >> what could have gone through your head? this is a strip mall. you go to work there every single day. you see people walking into that recruiting center. when you saw a gunman shooting -- we have pictures. completely shooting up the entrance to that recruiting center.
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what did you think? >> caller: we just all, you know take care of us. we didn't know if he was going to go through the whole strip mall shooting or if he was going to stop there. our thought was just get to the back of the building where if he kept shooting we wouldn't be hit. it was just not real to us. just something you see on tv. >> erica, i appreciate your telling the story. again, i know you must still be in shock. thank goodness you are safe and thank you for sharing. "out front" the former cia counter counter terrorism center phil mudd. she works two doors down from the military recruiting center. we have the bullet ridden door to show everybody what actually happened here. every american can imagine this. this is a strip mall. a military recruiting center a hair salon. who knows, all these stores.
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the bob baer said to us today, this is the one i was afraid of a soft target being hit. ordinary americans tonight now realize in a way that perhaps they have not before that this can happen anywhere to anyone. >> sure. but you have do remember if you put this in context, despite the tragedy, we're still talking in terms of violent crime in america of a minor number of people who are involved. that's a brutal truth, but it's a truth. we accept gang violence drug violence. we have a new phenomenon that we don't fully understand that might result let's say in a dozen, two dozen murders in america this year. the fact that we had this event tonight doesn't mean americans are more vulnerable to this. it means we're coming to a realization that we have a problem in america we have to understand. that said it pales in comparison to the other crime issues we deal with and accept. >> we have seen it happen in
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france. you have seen it happen -- we don't know the motive whether it's islamic related terrorism. but we have seen events that in tunisia, in france in australia. we now have something perhaps like that happening here. when you hear the reporting that we're getting more and more about this young man, you know upscale family well educated humble well liked, a great student, very devout two of his coaches said that to me as well as to drew griffin. no evidence at least of radicalization. although recently it didn't seem that he was perhaps attending a local mosque. if there was radicalization here if there was, how do you think it happened? >> there's a couple characteristics. let me take you behind the scenes. that i think would be interesting if i were watching this case. devout doesn't mean anything to me. if you are devout you are more likely to talk to people who would explain to you that this
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kind of activity is unacceptable. separating from the congregation that means a lot. what he might be saying is everybody her happy in their current circumstance. i want to change the circumstance. i want to represent isis. i want to do something different from the congregation. other interesting things two locations. the second location he is trying to go through a blocked facility. that tells me his emotional state is in question. he is going to risk his life when he does that. why does he do that in two locations? there's an anticipation on his part and the part of many that maybe this is worth risking his life. one last little clue. that is electrical engineering. this is a brutal truth. if you shoot up those facilities with the weapon that is not the same impact you will get if you carefully plan an operation as an engineering student with something like a backpack bomb. i look at this and say, maybe he acted emotionally as much as some religious motivation.
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>> thank you very much. for those just joining, electrical engineering, that's what we understand his degree was in. breaking news new information on the shooter's a -- the last moments here. we have new headlines coming in. barbara starr is with me with those. a survivor speaking for the first time. the teen who survived a plane crash telling us about the terror she endured and how she survived. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile it is you.
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we're back with our breaking news tonight. we are learning more at this moment about the alleged shooter who targeted two military sites killing four people and wounding three more. i want to be clear that we are not giving out those names until all family members have been notified. we are not that that has happened. i want to make sure that everyone understands that we are awaiting for the families to know exactly what happened who was injured and who lost their lives in this brutal attack today. two law epnforcement officials telling cnn that mohammod youssuf abdulazeez was born in kuwait
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kuwait. abdulazeez was a graduate of the university of tennessee in chattanooga. the school says he had a degree in electrical engineering in 2012. the attacks are sparking heightened security across the nation. in new york city they deployed critical response vehicles to provide additional security at military recruiting stations and other high profile targets. barbara starr, they are making explicit moves to change security. >> at least at these recruiting stations in new york city. these are very high profile areas. there has been recruiting stations in times square for example, for many many years. there's always worry about the potential for copycat situation for other unhinged individuals to be out there. it's pretty typical to try to add additional security and lower the profile of some of these areas. recruiting centers in particular to have security at them is a very tough proposition. they are in towns and cities
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across this country. we see the one in tennessee at a strip mall. they are meant to be open. they are meant to basically invite young americans in to come sit down talk with a recruiter about the possibility of a military career. it's a big tradeoff. concerns grow about these lone wolf attacks, about isis-inspired attacks. terrorism, the military still -- part of the country, part of the national fabric in towns and cities across the country, they don't want to wall themselves off from that. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. i want to go to the former assistant fbi director for the criminal investigative division. chris, good to have you with me. i want to show for you and our viewers new video that we just have in at this moment. a video of the alleged shooter in a mixed martial arts event. we understand that he was into mma. he was a wrestler in high school. i spoke to his coach earlier this hour. he was an athlete.
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he is the one whose face is not blurred for those of you watching. that is mohammod youssuf abdulazeez. chris, when you hear all the things we have heard about him, you see him as an athlete in the mixed martial arts wrestling, a devout muslim. his mma coach was telling our drew griffin, he would take out his prayer mat and pray in his office his high school coach told me he would miss practice to pray. he said he was humble a good student and there was nothing radicalized about him. when you put that together what do you hear? >> well first thing that comes to mind is i recall one of the tsarnaev brothers was a mixed -- was into martial arts as well. the devout religious -- it fits sort of a profile there. that means that he is susceptible to being influenced by people that he thinks are equally or more devout than himhe
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internet. >> i want to ask about you that. the fbi right now is working overtime. they are trying to figure out what the motive into have been. they don't know what it was. if it happened online is that something that possibly was missed? i know that it's almost impossible to find everybody. but they are trying to keep a database of anybody who is in a chat room or talking about isis or talking about anything radical. >> well yeah the fbi can't be everywhere. rules have changed since 9/11. before 9/11 the fbi couldn't surf the internet and go into blog sites and chat rooms and just surf and look for people who might present a threat. now they can do what they call a threat assessment and do just that. if there's some credible information that something is happening. this is really tough. this is -- if he is in fact a lone wolf terrorist, it's like trying to find a needle in a stack of needles. the only people who can really
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be the early warning system if you will are people that are very close to them. >> chris, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. sobering when you realize how difficult it might be to stop this from happening again. an incredible story. autumn veatch the girl flying home on a small plane with her grandparents. the plane slammed into a mountain burst into flames. she is the survivor. you will hear her telling her story right after this. seems like we've hit a road block. that reminds me... anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea... ...gas, bloating? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against occasional digestive issues. with three types of good bacteria. live the regular life. phillips'. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla apremilast. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently.
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now breaking news the 16-year-old sole survivor of a plane crash speaking out for the first time. a miraculous story. autumn veatch flying with her grandparents. their plane crashed, she emerged from a fiery debris. autumn is telling her story out front for the first time. she sat down with sara sidner. sara is with me. what did sunny tell you? >> erin an incredible story. not dentalonly did she survive, she survived falling down a cliff, maneuvering a water fall before
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she got to safety. she remembers vividly what happened when the plane went down. >> we completely lost sight of what was going on at all. like all of the windows, you couldn't see a single thing. it was all white. gps wasn't really working. and i was kind of freaking out really bad. i just kind of hunched down a little bit. i was scared. well they'll sort it out. it will be okay. i am still panicking, freaking out. then able started freaking out. yelling. turn the gps back on and such. and then -- leiland said he was going to go up. they would try to fly up. just he said we're going to crash into the side of a mountain. what is going on. then it was light. all trees. then all fire. i mean i was kind of hunched down. the impact itself didn't really hurt me. but the fire did. >> did you think at some point
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i'm not going to make it. i am going to die? >> i was certain i was going to die. the second day i was living outside. like the morning after i had been, i tried to sleep the morning after. i was certain i had hypothermia, i was freezing. >> once you were down on the ground the plane crashed, it was on fire what did you do then? what did you see around you? >> i got out. there was fire. my face got burned. my hair was burning and stuff. and -- my immediate response was to go and try to help them out. because they were alive. they were alive. they were both screaming. and i was, there was no way i could get to grandma, she was on the far side. there was nothing i could do if i got grandpa out, maybe she would come out. i was trying to pull hem outim out. i couldn't do it. there was a lot of fire. and i am a small person.
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and that's what happened to my hand. i was trying to pull him out. there was a point where it was like well he is it's just not happening. >> you must have been so incredibly stressed out, scared sad, how did you go forward from that point? >> i just my instinct was to go downhill. so i started goingwnhill. i mean i was, obviously distressed crying and -- and really scared to be alone in the middle of absolutely nowhere. >> you knew to go down as opposed to going up and the sheriff's department said that is likely what saved you. what gave you that instinct? was it something you learned in the back of your head or you just knew to do it? >> yeah, because of the survivor shows i used to watch with my dad when i was a lot longer. going downhill. finding body of water. water always lead to civilization. as soon as i couldn't hear a freeway, i was thinking like
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well just just try to find running water. and i did. i found a little tiny bit of water. it was going downhill. i just followed it. i was just walking in it. following it. and it just grew into like a river. and i followed it. >> she followed that water to a bridge and made it out alive. but she spent a long time trying to get help, because cars just passed her by until two men saved her. erin. >> incredible. they passed her by. wow, i knew some one stopped. i didn't know people didn't stop. wow. thank you straer muchvery much. an incredible interview withincredible young woman. we'll be right back. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com.
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ac 360 starts right now. good evening. we are waiting on a news conference right now from the governor of tennessee about today's massacre in chatanooga. this is where it is going to happen. we will bring tight you the second it does. the governor is being briefed right now with the very latest. the developments have been coming in one right after another in the shooting rampage which is officially being investigated as an act of terrorism. it took the lives of four marines. tonight, without getting ahead of the story, we'll bring you the latest on all of it. we have just now obtained new