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and then he went to a naval reserve center. four victims in this again. there are four ma reaps and then a female sailor who is in very serious condition. a press conference will happen shortly from then. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> it is 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. our breaking news is four marines are dead and a sailor seriously wounded in two separate attacks. authorities say the shooter is 24-year-old muhammad usef abdul abdulazeez. authorities say it is too soon to know the motive, but they're looking at everything from terrorism to a simple criminal act. the justice department, the
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f.b.i. holding a news conference. we'll bring that to you as it happens here. evan,i want to go to you and ask you about this f.b. implt briefing. are your sources telling you anything about what they're going to talk about? >> don, we expect that this is mostly to reassure the community there. so one of the things that the justice department and the f.b.i. wanted to do is provide as much of an update as they can to the local community to let them know where this investigation stands. they've spent the better part of today just trying to understand more about the shooter. they've gotten a lot of information. they haven't yet established the motivation. but they have a clearer pick dhur of his past, his background.
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st organizations. there's no indication that he was in the f.b.i. data bases. that is something that is also interesting. this is something that they do at the f.b.i. what happens when one of these guys shows up and you have no knowledge about it. that's what the scary part of this particular case was. >> he apparently talked about believers and nonbelievers. about being a good muslim. and act jihad. what do you know about jihad? >> right.
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exactly. those were posted just a couple day ago. the f.b.i. has not established that he wrote those blog posts. it does appear that it's under his name. it links to an e-mail address that perhaps matches up with this. that's again, part of this investigation. what's interesting is if you read what he's ruminating bt is what it means to be a good muslim and how much of a prison this present world is. it matches up to a lot of what you read about online from fundamentalist believers of islam. these are people who have a very strict interpretation of their religion and it does match up with system of that. now, we don't know whether that is exactly what motivated him to carry out this attack. this is a second generation immigrant. his famdly was very successful family.
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if you look at the house, if you look at the neighborhood that they lived in, they will ehe had an engineering degree. so by all acounts, he was headed somewhere, seemed to be headed somewhere, and then something went wrong. so now the f.b.i. is trying to figure out what exactly that was. >> his high school coach, one of his high school coaches, told drew griffin that he believed he had traveled either to jordan or to yemen and then came back. do you know anything about that? >> well what's interesting is if f.b.i. is aware of his travel date. they put together a full dossier of where he's been in the last few years. that again, doesn't necessarily explain what happened today. he was there doing teaching. he was teaching kids wrestling and so on. what else was he doing? who else is he meeting with?
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think're reaching out to see if they can help put together a picture of who exactly he was meeting with there. we don't know where else he might have traveled. once you go to jordan there's many other places you could go, obviously. and so now, that is part of this investigation, as well. i want you to standby, evan. now you're at this press conference. what's going on there is this. >> we're just a few minutes out from the start of this news conference. >> it's part of this investigation. this is the show, of course. and a show of cohesive nature of this investigation with the authorities, the tennessee bureau of investigation. the federal authorities with the atf, the f.b.i. >> all right, victor.
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we're going to get to the press conference. >> good evening. thank you for coming. it's been a long and sad day. thank you for enduring. this is not a press conference to update you on the progress of an investigation. our hearts and prayers and thoughts go out to those victims' families who were killed. and those victims who were otherwise shot. we're here to explain some things and answer the questions we can about what this investigation involves. it is an on going, extensive and expansive investigation with federal, state and local agencies headed by the f.b.i. i am joined on stage by u.s. senator bob corker and by governor bill haslan mayor andy
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burke, special agent in charge of the f.b.i. for the eastern district of tennessee, special agent in charge of the alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. i'm bill killian, eastern district of tennessee u.s. attorney. we will answer those questions that we can answer. we will keep you apprised of this situation as we can. federal law prohibltits us from revealing certain information. please respect our inability to answer some of your questions. otherwise, we will answer what we can. if you're contacted by the law enforcement agencies or the f.b.i., please cooperate. if you think you have information that might assist this investigation please call the f.b.i. and they will deal
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with that accordingly. otherwise, this as far as we know at this juncture there are no safety concerns for the general public. so with that being said i turn it over to the governor of ten tn. >> thank you, sir. chattanooga is a great city with a broken heart tonight. the u.s. attorney put it very well. it's been a tragic and long and sad day. and i think all of ourhearteds go out to the families of the four marines who lost their lives. er.
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i've been very impressed with the f.b.i.'s commitment to finding out everything possible in this and answering every question that we all want answered and that we'd like answered toont. i'm incredibly impressed with the commitment they've already shown and with the commitment of the local law enforcement folks, the state people as well as the federal officers to do everything they can. so on behalf of the state of ten tn tennessee, we're grateful to that. >> thank you, governor. our nation mourns the loss -- the senseless loss of four of our nation's heroes. and another one lays in very serious condition here in a local hospital. also today, one of our great men in blue is wounded in the hospital certainly not too serious, but of condition of someone who certainly came to the aid. this is a great city.
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and i know that our city as well our nation come around the families who will need support who have the sudden shock of loss of a loved one what came to work today carrying out their duties in a normal way. doing the things that our great men and women do to support us. today, senselessly, four of them are gone and one is fighting to save their life. the f.b.i. has been outstanding. the f.b.i. will very soon lay out the details for you as they can. but i want to thank them so much.
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this community will do everything they can to make sure that these law enforcement folks have everything they need to understand why this young person had the motive the desire to doe this senseless thing that has shaken this nation. >> thank you, senator. this has been a long day for our city. hopefully, soon i will put my head down for a little while. and i just thought i'd say a couple things that i'm going to think about as i drift off for a few minutes. what i think about this afternoon as i came back to the service center with chief fletcher and walked up to see a woman who was at the scene
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telling the chief about the heroic deeds that her fellow aufgs did to help her and to save another one of our officers. i'm going to think about the training that he had received helped make sure that the actions actions didn't have greater effect. this is the reality of what happened in our city today and the tremendous work of our law enforcement officers. also i'm going to be thankful that these people over the course of the years, aren't just
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employees of the city but truly people that we care about and know that they're home with their families tonight. and then i'm going to think about those who aren't. we have four families four people who died who won't be seeing their families this evening. and we live in the volunteer state, a state that's rich with tradition and affiliation with our armed forces. and where we can not count on what happened to those four families today. so ourhearteds hearts ache for them. we understand as a community what it takes to heal. we will certainly give a prayer in all of our hearts for those who aren't. we thank you for coming out tonight as we close out this portion, we want to answer whatever questions that we have and i'll bring up ed rheinhold
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from the f.b.i. he's most likely to have answers about the specific questions in the on going investigation. questions? >> no we have no idea at this point what his motivation was behind this shooting. we are just beginning this investigation. we will explore that option. but, at this point, we don't have anything that directly ties him to an international terrorist organization. i can't speculate on what his motivation would have been or what if any affiliation he may have had. let me just say it's going to
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be a long night for our folks. we will be here for several days processing just the crime scenes. we continue to cover every possible need. again, if i can reiterate what the u.s. attorney said i do ask the public, if you have information to contact us. i can provide -- i actually have it written down, our phone number. 865-602-7582. if you have information, please contact us or contact the local police department who will provide that information to us. yes, ma'am? we are checking every pose place that he could reside or could have resided. visited where he shopped, where he wrent to school who his friends were if he worked out
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at a gym. every possible lead. so we have information that he's been in various locations and we will check each and every one of those. that has not been determined as far as how he died. an autopsy will be conducted this weekend by the u.s. government. and we will determine the cause of death for him. as far as we can tell at this point, again, it's preliminary. he started his shooting over at the recruitment center and moved from there. we believe he shot from inside the vehicle, moved over to the naval/ma lean corps center here. about 15 miles away where he did
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enter the facility exited his vehicle and engaged in gunfire there. there's no indication at this point that anybody else was involved. obviously, we're still at the beginning of this investigation. and that includes whether or not anyone else was involved in this. i'm sorry, let's go back here. we will not release the names of the marines. it is our policy that we will not release the names of the victims at all. department of defense will v to make that determination as to whether or not they want to release the names of the that leans. the chattanooga police department has asked that the name of that officer not be released. we will honor that.
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the press conference at this time. we will have -- we will schedule a press conference tomorrow at 3:00 and we'll do them daily at 3:00 unless something causes us to change it to do it earlier. >> all right, press conference is wrapping up now here in chattanooga, tennessee. they said they have no safety concerns now for the public. they're also saying motive, they don't know yet. sbesh national terror, not directly yet. they don't know. still investigating. they also gave out a number for people to call. that's the f.b.i. if you have any information. they got out of the car and that's where he did the shooting there. no one else is involved, they said, at this point. and no one else taken into custody.
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the reason you may have seen someone put in handcuffs is because he said that the head of the f.b.i. said it's the standard practice to secure everyone. they are searching the residence that they were asking about. and, again, still, no motive. so those are the high lights the fine points o of basically what they were talking about this evening. back with me now, cnn's evan evan perez stuart kaplan a former f.b.i. agent. does it sound like they were making any progress in this investigation? >> oh, absolutely. i think what they're doing is they're being very careful. there's a lot of information
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that they have to get from elsewhere. they are certainly talking to intelligence agencies. anybody who he was communicating with before this event today. that's going to be key to try to determine what was his motivation, what was his state of mind. obviously, nothing yet has jumped out at them. there is nothing clear that he's connected to isis or some other terrorist group that would make this easier to solve. so now this is harder work for them. the suspect is dead. so now they have to try to divide what he was trying to do. it's not clear that he left any kind of manifesto or anything like that. one little bit that i thought was interesting in the press conference is the f.b.i. is not
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releasing information about the weapons. police know that he used an ak-47 style gun. that that was the rifle that he used when he carried out the shoots. and so the question now is according to what the f.b.i. special ajent in charge said, you know that's information that they're not ready to release simply because they're working other aspects of this case. so that leads me to believe that they're investigating how they got this gun. if there was a crime committed there in the way he got this gun. that is a very interesting rev revelation that came from this press conference. >> the u.s. attorney there, he spoke. senator bob corker of course and then bill haslin was there from the governor. the mayor, as well. and so there are a number of
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different agencies. so my question to stoourt is what will the next question to the f.b.i. be. >> they have set up a central command post. and i think what was just talked about, i was very interested with respect to the special a agent in charge deflecting any questions with respect to the weapon and ind kated, and he said because of potential further or later prosecutions. there is no doubt that ther going to run down tonight through tomorrow the means and the motive and how he was able to obtain this weapon. the ammunition the magazine who may have facilitated or assisted him in obtaining this type of weapon. and all of those leads are very cumbersome. that i that e're very time consuming. they take a lot of manpower.
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what they will do is delegate from the local to the state to the federal level and they will pan out and basically canvas the community and where ever it may take them. but i will tell you that there is no doubt that the f.b.i. generally does not come out at 11:00 and participate in a press conference unless there's going to be some benefit to that at a future date.
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here isn't any evidence. that's unique. most of these cases, we go back and within hours, they suggest why the investigation will be very slow and methodical at this stage. >> you saw senator bob corker. he is standing by. we're going to speak to him live right after this break. more with our breaking news. i already feel like we're the most connected but i think this solo date will seal the deal. sure! i offer multi-car, safe driver, and so many other discounts that people think i'm a big deal. and boy, are they right. ladies, i can share hundreds in savings with all of you! just visit progressive.com today. but right now, it's choosing time. ooh! we have a winner. all: what? [chuckles] he's supposed to pick one
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our breaking news this evening, the investigation into today's deadly rampage in tennessee that left four ma leans dead and a sailor soorsly wounded. the f.b.i. the justice department and senator bob corker just held a news conference.orker joins me now live. senator, i know it's been a very long day for you. i know there are some things that you cannot address and you can't anxious. but i need to ask you some things that are coming in. we have information through our sources from our reporters have learned that the suspect was armed with an ak-47 style weapon at the time of the attack.
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can you tell us anything about ha? >> so i know there's a lot of interest and i know the nation is shaken by four of our greatest and one additional fighting inging for their life. i assure you there's a lot that i would like to say right now. but the law enforcement officials here the f.b.i. taking the lead, as you know needs to keep investigation under close wrap so they can do this as thoroughly as possible and make sure that all of the loose ends that need to be followed can be followed appropriately. i apologize. i don't think i'm going to be any use to you relative to what's happened on the ground here. there's going to be much i want to say down the road. >> we understand that. so let's talk about maybe you can understand some of the things that were discussed.
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right at the start, bill killian said there was no safety concern. can you assure the public that there's no safety concern? >> based on what i've been told and the briefings before we came out, i know of know reason relative to this that anyone in the chunty should be concerned. >> so what happens next? you, as a lawmaker what do you intend to do next? >> yeah, yeah. so i don't want to in any way tie, at this moment, the two together. relative to the topic that you bring out now, is a topic that's been around for a long time.
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there's no question that entities like isis throughout our country are going to want to recruit young impressionable people to their cause. please again, don't cut this in some other place that's not in anyway trying to tie that to what's happened here. it is something that's going to be happening more and more. se questions came up during the press conference and it has been discussed all day after this incident happened. a number of times in the recent
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past our military installations have been targets here. what is your concern about that? why do you think our military installations are being targeted? and do we need to ramp up skoort? >> i do think, obviously, we've gone through the regs, today, if you will. and part of the regulations here at the pentagon is that facilities like this on the inside do not allow the people on the inside to have weapons. that's a decision put forth at the chain of command at the pentagon itself. my guess is this is an issue that definitely is going to be looked at. if you look at what happened in the chopping center where there's absolutely no security. it appears that the shooter drove by with a weapon and didn't even go into the facility.
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i don't know what can be done in a situation like that. i'm sure that the house and senate will look into what is occurring. but the specific steps should be taken to the pentagon. i'm sure they're doing that. i'm sure they're very cog any cognizant of a threat. >> again, you know as we said we don't know what the motivation was. we don't know if it's tied to international terror. but when you look at this sort of activity and someone doing something like this whether
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it's a lone wolf or whether it's someone who may have some mental issues here that has to be of concern to not obama the people of tennessee, but to the people of united states. and there has been much discushion in washington about that as well. >> yeah, no question. look the national security the skaurt of our citizens are the greatest responsibility that we have. we live in a world right now that's very unstable. we live in a world where people are engaging in this type of activity more and more. so yes, it's of great concern. it's of great concern to their local officials here. we live in a country that's free. it's difficult to ensure when you have people like this. i don't want to speak to the mote valgss at this point, but it's very difficult to ensure that our citizen ri is protected.
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again, there will be a point in time when i can talk more fully about this. i've never seen more compassion more of a heart and soul. i know that this community is going to surround these communities that have been so affected. i know our nation is doing that igt now. in spite of the concern that so many of our citizens have. obviously, this is what is on people's minds. this is the number one issue to americans. we all need to be individual lent. at every level, our nation certainly needs to understand that we live in a dangerous world.
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and for us to be the great nation that we are, we need to continue. again, our thoughts and prayers are with these families who gep, had people coming to work this morning carrying out duties as they normally would and they're not coming home and one is fighting fir their life now. >> victims who have not even been identified. thank you, senator. i appreciate you joining us this evening. will're going to be right back with more on this breaking news. a deadly rampage in tennessee that left four marines, four of our marines dead. what happened when we learned about this shooter coming up.
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this information? >> well don, they believe that somebody out there knows something that they are not yet aware of. one of the parts of this investigation that i think is of great interest to them is his travel. his associations. anybody who, perhaps, might be able to explain what his thinking was, what, perhaps, his radicalization was before if that is, indeed, what caused this. whether he was radicalized. what explains that. and then secondly the weapon that he was using today. it's a very powerful weapon. it's an a.k. 47 style weapon. did anyone see him go out somewhere and practice shooting this weapon? does anyone know where he got it from? these are things that only can come from people out there in the public who might have some information. the f.b.i. wanted to encourage
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people to come forward with any information. e lawmakers were briefed about what happened right over my shoulder by the f.b.i. and apparently what they're describing is this harrowing kind of stand offshoot out between the suspected and the police. it involved these 30 round clips. if you know anything about the ak-47, that's the banana clip that clips on and off. and at one point, as it was described to me by the source
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holding off with this fire power. we did see just about an hour and a half ago, a police car towed out of here riddled with bullets. i think we're going to get details that quite frankly sounds like something straight out of a war zone or a shootout you might see on the streets of afghanistan. not what you'd see here. of course according to sources that our investigators here are learning at cnn, he was carrying an ak-47-type weapon, drew. >> he gave you some information. what did he tell you? >> we're getting a lot of insight.
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met him when he was just a child. they trained together in the gym in marshal arts. also details about how this person he knew actually was traveling back and forts to the middle east in the last couple of years and his demeanor over that time. listen to what he had to say. >> i observed him to be very unique. i mean, that kid never frowned. i never heard him cuss. a and that's what shocked me. today, what i heard, when i saw his picture on the news. i looked at the phone and my eyes were, like, wow. i can't believe this. it is hard.
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it is hard to -- i mean, we were friends in the past. that's the thing that gets to me. i cannot tell you how somebody else lives their particular relyor if he or she got in the wrong people or wrong theology or got radicalized or extreme for whatever reason, i can't tell you that. >> when was the last time you saw him? >> about a month ago or so. >> tell me about that. >> i just told you a minute ago. >> i'm sorry. what were your conversations like? >> pretty much. we were walking -- walked out, people were shaking hands, saying bye. i saw him. i said brother, how are you doing? i haven't seen you in a while. everything all right? smiling, talking, no problems. another guy said he saw him just a day ago at a local store. he said absolutely nothing. hechsz shaking hands saying everything is fine. so again, what goes inside of a person or what's causing things, i don't know.
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his demeanor that it was absolutely nothing that would show me that he was upset about something. i know he moved out of the country a year or two ago. i said where's muhammad? they said he moved back home. i'm not one to speculate. but what happens overseas in certain different environments, i don't know. >> where was he overseas? >> you would have to ask him about that. >> you say he went overseas for two years? >> a year or two ago when he actually went back. >> went back where? >> jordan? yemen yemen? i don't know. i'm not sure which one. >> you're sure he was in the middle east? >> that's what i was told. that's what i went by. >> did you ever talk to him about being in the middle east? >> i asked him how are you? he said he's teaching wrestling. everything okay. >> so what year are we talking
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about? >> you mean when i talked to him? >> no, when he was in the middle east? >> when i talked to his dad, a year or two ago. i've seen him several times when he came back. in the last two years, i'm sure that he was overseas somewhere, you know. >> we do know that authorities are trying to track those travels and track whom he may have talked to. met, you know begun conversations with if he did travel back to the middle east. if he took any of those connections back here. that's all part of the on going investigation. but you heard that just a month ago, this mass murderer was at a mosque here in chattanooga praying with fellow muslims and there were no signs that anything was wrong. ton? >> all right, drew griffin, evan perez, we'll come back and have
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ngtsz r jtsds wrut r . welcome back, everyone. four marines are dead the f.b.i. says it has no information that ties the shooter to any international terrorist organization. also with me is buck sexton a national security editor for the blaze. and stuart kaplan is with me, a former f.b.i. agent. so i want to ask you, we know investigators are looking at ttributed to someone with the same nayme as the shooter. it very well could be him. what jumpb jumps out to you? >> yeah the first one with the prison post quotes a well known prophetic tradition that says is
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the world. [ speaking foreign language ] and a paradise for the disbeliever. the second one, which talks about the three people trying to describe the elephant he talks about the identity of the jihadis as warriors. they became warriors. so there's that militant self identity. the second is a call to emigrate. this is something that isis has been doing more so than any other group. those two things lead me to believe that he is at least isis friendly. is this typical islamic teaching? >> well the first about the world being like a prison for the believer it just talks about the restrictive nature of the world. you're not supposed to fulfill your desires. some you have to keep in check, others are okay.
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you see that as kind of being in the world not of the world. not by itself. it depend on how people take it. sturt, does all of this sound like it's coming from someone who was inspired by radical islam? >> yeah, i think so. and, in my opinion, it goes back to we live in a very politically correct climate. i think if you speak to the f.b.i. on the ground who lived this day in and day out, part of the struggles with law enforcement is that their hands, to a large extent are tied by "profiling" people who may be posting these type of comments on facebook or on their blogs. unfortunately, they can't pursue those leads just because they're
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exercising their first amendment right. and i think that we need to refocus and pay a little bit more attention and maybe loosen those constraints on law enforcement to allow them to follow up when perhaps some of this stuff is showing up in social media. >> explain to -- talk to me more about politically correct. you're saying that -- go ahead. explain that more. >> well you know, obviously people that are law-abiding, we live under the constitution and we want to live in a fre e free soet. but in this climate and in this world, i think what we're seeing is that there's got to be some efforts on law enforcement to be able to track and monitor some of this social media content that shows up. of course, you have people that are very critical of law enforcement who may go out and
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follow up on leads just because someone may post something on their facebook. and i believe that the climate as it is and the society that we live in that those are indicators and red flags that someone may be in the beginning stages or in the stages to perhaps eventually carry out what we saw today in tennessee. and i would like to see law enforcement have that latitude to go out and talk to people. >> what do you make of that? is he right? >> there are sensitivities. look i think you're going to find out within a very short period of time here that the postings that we're talking about now are just the tip of the ice burg. it's very likely based on other cases that i'm working with that he might have had anonymous twitter acounts, means that it wasn't in his name or other activity engaged in online. there are going to be things
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that the f.b.i. will be finding out in the hours ahead. it's not just the questions that we don't know about. i understand the hesitation for some law enforcement officers that there's a process that they have to go through here. but let's keep in mind until today, the colorado shooters we all know who was the shooter. and when you look at the facts of the case here when you look at the choice of tar gets the method of the attack, all of that it seems very clear that like i said it was a terrorist attack and that he did this in the name of jihad and whether we have a direct link of someone who's profesing to be part of isis or not. you don't need to be in direct connection with us. you can just go out and do this in our name. and you are a holy warrior, a part of our cause. so i think this is all what's going to come out in the days ahead. and there are issues of political correctness.
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especially when you're talking about looking at people because of speech. when does someone go from having a problem with foreign policy our or actions in the middle east just bassed upon internet postings. that can be tough to differentiate. as i said we're not going to get all of the lone wolves. this is e has been clear from the beginning t. this is going to continue to happen. there will be more radicalized individuals here at home. i don't think there's an e a ready answer for how to prevent this, quite honestly. >> it's a very interesting conversation that we're all having here. i thank you, gentlemen, for joining us. and what we know about this evening is that four people are dead now. four people are dead. one is seriously wounded, in the hopt was in surgery earlier. again, you're hearing that
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there's no direct link at this point to international terrorism. and there is no motive at this point. that's it for us tonight. we're going to see you back here tomorrow night for owl viewers here in the yietsds, "the sevens" the state of the union is not good starts right now. and for our international coverage, starts right now. good night. >> i must say to you that the state of the union is not good. >> well these people, somehow, turn politics into power and make the government work. >> we are privileged to witness a significant achieve. in the cause of peace. >> what was once a distant foreign policy issue has become a domestic issue. >> there is no malaise in the spirit of this country. >> we can turn this country around and we can turn our
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