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good evening. 9:00 p.m. here in new york. possibly a moment when public opinion is shifting on donald trump. new polling showing him with double support of the closest republican competitor. a new poll came out today. however in the portion of that polling conducted after he talked about senator john mccain's war record it does show a big dropoff. will hatthat hold? we don't know. a piece of a poll in itself a snapshot of a moment. overall the poll is very good. that number overall number is very good news for donald trump. it could also be the first sign that people may be taking issue with what he said at a candidate forum saturday. will it last? we don't know. this is what he said. >> referring to people as
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rapists, referring to john mccain, a war hero 5 1/2 years as a pow, you call him a dummy. is that appropriate in running for president? >> let's, let me speak, frank. you interrupt all the time okay. i know him too well. that's the problem. let's take john mccain. i'm in phoenix. we have a meeting that is going to have 500 people. at the biltmore hotel. we get a call from the hotel. it is turmoil. thousands of people are showing up. three, four days before they're pitching tents on the hotel grass. the hotel says we can't handle this. it is going to destroy the hotel. we move it to the convention center. we have 15,000 people. the biggest one ever. bigger than bernie sanders. bigger than a 15,000 people showed up to hear me speak. bigger than anybody. and everybody knows it. a beautiful day with incredible people that were wonderful, great americans. i will tell you.
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john mccain goes -- oh boy, trump make is my life difficult. he had 15,000 crazies show up. crazies. he called them all crazy. i said they weren't crazy. they were great americans. these people if you would have seen these people i know what a crazy is. i know all about crazies. these weren't crazies. so he insulted me. he insulted everybody in that room. i said somebody should run against john mccain who has been you know in my opinion not so hot, and i supported him. i supported hem for president. i raised $1 million for him. a lot of money. i supported him. he lost. he let us down. but you know he lost i've never liked him as much after that. because i don't like losers. but, frank, let me get to it. >> he is a war hero. he is a wary how. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people who aren't captured. he is a war hero because he was captured. okay. i believe perhaps he is a war
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hero. right now he said some very bad things about a lot of people. >> senator mccain says mr. trump owes service members and vets an apology. particularly those pows. mccain's friend and former service member lindsey graham running for president called his opponent his word "a jackass." mr. trump said senator mccain hasn't done right by vets. gloria borger joins us. now, ryan i know everyone talks how donald trump is playing by his own rules, not beholden to establishment playbook. aren't there third rails in politics universal third rails. one of them may be or is it questioning the heroism of a guy like john mccain? >> yeah without a doubt. that is -- the issue that prompted all of this republican rivals to sort of finally step forward and condemn him. i do think it is fair to ask, you know why?
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>> except for ted cruz. >> ted cruz. ted cruz strategy he wants to be trump voters' second choice when trump inevitably flames out which a lot of people think will ham pen happen. cruz praised mccain but did not condemn trump. how he sliced this. you are right. going after john. i conducted this interview in john mccain's office. one thing he did after the interview that he does when you come to his office. gave me a tour. showed me the picture when he was -- shot down out of the sky in the vietnamese were bring him out of the lake and took a rifle butt and hit him. and showed me the telegram from the u.s. to the dip low matze diplomats. that showed confirmed mccain had actually refused to go home from his vietnamese prison ahead of other prisoners. because he thought it would be a propaganda victory.
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his credentials as a war hero are unimpeachable. that was the line that trump crossed that just comepletely. unsettled republican establishment. it is fair to ask why didn't something similar happen with the comments about latin american immigrants who he dispairdis dispairage dispairaged. why did it take this attack on veterans? >> talking about illegal immigrants. >> the des moines newspaper, calling for trump to drop out. trump was on bill o'reilly's show and bill o'reilly asked what would he say to senator mccain. how did trump respond? >> trump didn't apologize. he was given an opportunity to go as o'reilly put it man-to-man. talk to you know talk to senator mccain, what would you say? and he sort of said something about whether if there was a
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misunderstanding maybe. went on and on. then went back to the point how john mccain had insulted all of his supporters. so if anybody was expecting a direct apology from donald trump to john mccain. they didn't get it. and i think in response to "the des moines register" tonight. you know what what trump is number two in iowa. so far. and i think what trump will probably say is that's the media talking to itself right? it's an editorial that doesn't matter. and he'll, you know he'll push ahead. as the protest candidate that he is. in a way that could actually fuel him. >> ryan it is interesting. i mean his refusal to apologize for virtually anything i mean it would be interesting to look back and see if he actually has ever apologized for something and said he made a mistake. something rush limbaugh talked about and praised to day. that's how many candidates would. they default to sag i misying i
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misspoke. that is not donald trump. >> it's not. we are at the stage in the primary season. there is not a real high cost to a voter telling the pollster yeah i'm with donald trump. i would support him. very early in the process. after 6 1/2 years of obama, republicans and especially very conservative republicans, they're in a fighting mood. they want someone who is very anti-obama talking about immigration in a way the republican establishment advised candidates not to talk about. so i think what you are getting at is right, anderson. the fablgt thatct he won't apologize or back down when the media establishment and political establishment argues he is wrong. only makes him stronger and it is one of the thing that people like about him. >> the word you are using establishment is the key here. i don't think you can underestimate the appeal of an anti-washington, anti-politician,
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anti-establishment candidate right now. and it is a very big field. and donald trump stand out in in that regard. >> yeah. ryan gloria. >> go ahead, ryan. >> throw out one theory. when i went to interview mccain. i want to talk to him about foreign policy. he started the conversation with the remark about trump firing up the crazies. mccain has been around. a smart guy. i think he knew what he was doing here. i think he was, i think he knew exactly the response that he would get. >> ryan good to have you on. fascinating stuff. another one in the new yorker now. >> perspective. matt miller. chief policy officer for iraq former legislative affairs aide to generals david petraeus. matt when you first heard donald trump trump's comments to john mccain. wondering what you thought or what went through your mind? >> the old adage better to keep your mouth shut and let people know that you don't know what you are talking about rather than opening it and erasing all
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doubt cam toe to mind. an affront to everybody who has worn the uniform of the united states and for my knowledge of john mccain there is nothing further from the truth. >> there are photographs of you, actually with senator mccain. you helped coordinate his visits to iraq and afghanistan, when you were deployed overseas. trump one of the things he was quoted as saying at a press conference saturday after eat vent where he made remarks. mccain, i quote, ha not done enough for veterans in this country. trump talking about himself. i see the veterans if i am with the veterans all the time. does that ring true to you in any way? >> mr. trump's business is head from the iva headquarters in new york city. the only veterans organization headquarters in new york city. we have not heard from donald trump. >> as far as senator mccain's record on veterans issues goes. you have worked with him. for donald trump to say mccain is not a friend or advocate
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hasn't done enough for veterans. is that in your opinion true at all? >> well that doesn't ring true at all, anderson. i can tell you the clay hunt act, clay hunt save act passed congress and signed by the president. john mccain was an integral part in that. that may be the only piece of veterans legislation that gets signed into law by the president of the united states this year. >> done ald fromald trump donated money to build a veterans memorial in new york put on a veterans parade. does that say much to you? >> i appreciate that. i appreciate his philanthropic efforts. but he is running for president of the united states. and need to talk about veterans issues as do all the candidates involved. >> but bottom line for you when donald trump says that john mccain hasn't focused on veterans enough hasn't done enough for veterans you say that's -- patently false? how would you cat gorize it? >> i would say john mccain has been an advocate for veterans
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through out his service in congress and tlup outhroughout his service in the senate. i have seen firsthand knowledge, experience of john mccain out with the troops. wanting nothing but the best for them. and, so i would say that john mccain has lived his life again, service above self. and in that regard he shouldn't take a back seat to anybody. >> matt miller appreciate you being on. thank you, matt. >> thank you. >> a lot more ahead including cnn exclusive that could shed new light on what turned a troubled young man into the chatanooga killer.
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>> the families of the service members murdered in tennessee come to grips with their loss. the picture of the killer is coming into focus. could give insight into how troubled men and women become mass killers. marine gunnery sergeant thomas sullivan marine sergeant carson holmquist, marine lance corporal squire skip wells whose mom i just spoke to in the last hour. he took his mom to disney world
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just last week. family tradition. first time he took her. made all the reservations. the families for all of the families there is so much feign right now. it is precisely because their lives matter that investigators need and want to know more about the killer's life leading up to what he did. did he have contacts with any international groups? was he self-radicalized? something else? more information now from senior cnn correspondent drew griffin who obtained an exclusive interview with a friend of the killer. rip >> reporter: constantly texting each other they hiked the appalachian mountains, played sports. even slept over at abdulazeez's home. he says he never once saw abdulazeez angry and the only conversations they had about radical islam was to oppose it. >> isis mainly. like groups any terror groups kind of look isis.
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>> reporter: what did he say? >> that it was a stupid group. and complete against islam. not to even think about going toward them. and i felt like it wasn't kind of in the sense of i'm with their group so i don't want you to do like me. it was more like just stay away. this is not where you should be going towards. >> reporter: you felt he truly believed in his heart at that moment that what isis is doing was wrong? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: petty describes abdulazeez as more american than he was. and the self-described redneck muslim also liked to shoot guns. >> one day he said that he had a gun. and that he was showing me pictures on his phone. and like i never shot a gun before. and he was like do you want to shoot this one? and i said sure. like honestly i don't see why not. i never shot one. >> reporter: the gun, ar-15 military assault rifle like this
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one. >> he told me where the safety was. taught me how to put it together. taught me not to point it at people. just have it always down. and he he showed me how to shoot it. >> reporter: and was he a good shot? >> we was. >> reporter: contrary to reports from the abdulazeez family that their son was battling depression petty says he never saw it. >> the depression is a big surprise to me. he showed no signs of that towards me. he was always happy with me. always had something really nice to say. he never showed any type of anger. like not once was he did i ever see him angry. >> they last met friday july 10th at this mosque. day before the shooting. >> he was happier than ever. he had a like it was the biggest smile on his face he ever had. >> reporter: with investigators still searching for answers, so are abdulazeez's friend and wondering if they really knew this person at all. >> reporter: he snapped.
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>> he did. in a horrible way. and that that what he did is not islamic, not at all. >> andrew joins us. now the question was this a snap? or was this something longer more planned? do we know -- his friend are saying one thing. what's the lateest you arest you are hearing from the investigators? what are they finding out about this guy? >> anderson the investigators to date have not found anything we are told that suggests this was isis-related isis-inspired or had anything to do with radical islam being involved with this. what they have found are old writings which were anti-u.s. policy in the middle east. but those writings, some more than ape year year ago now, also include writings we are told that pent tooint to some body who is suicidal. a confusing picture.
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nothing written in the last week or anything that would explain what happened here. that's why this investigation continues. today we heard nothing officially from investigators. quite frankly because they had nothing to say. >> drew appreciate that. digging deeper now, cnn terrorism analyst, and cnn national security analyst and assistant secretary of security. paul you hear from the shooter's friend. the family said he suffered from depression. plenty of people have depression don't end up killing marines and a sailor. we know he made this trip overseas. drew is saying no information about actual contact with any groups. but perhaps, self-radicalized. inspired by things he saw on the internet. >> today it's becoming increasingly clear that he was radicalized to a certain degree. there are conflicting accounts. the family gary tuchman was reporting he was animated by an evil ideology animated by extremist ideas. clearly the family knew that he had some kind of radicalization. there were also the blog
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entries. which were sim pa thetympathetic toward jihad. >> we are seeing cases, nothing new, even if it turns out he had no contact with any groups even when he was in jordan. that doesn't really matter anymore. a lot of people whoened up end up doing this don't necessarily need that kind of direct contact. >> right. that's what's so disturbing about the case. it seems so familiar in some ways. yet what we are finding out in five six days so inconclusive, somewhat unsatisfactory. i think when tragedy happens people in government you look for silver linings, something to learn from this something so that government can dupe -- do better. i'm worried this may be a case study of one. an odd case given speculation or evidence that we have now including mental disorder not strong ties to any group that we know of no strong social media
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presence. just these litdle leittle pieces of evidence that dent amass to much except a mass murder. >> paul in a way that is almost more frightening there is no trail. >> absolutely. the no trail they picked up on so farment at at least. there have been terror plots, terror cases, in the west in recent months where there has been combination between mental health issues and radicalization on the other hand. we saw that with the hostage attack. in sydney australia, late last year where the hostage taker was somebody who was actually seeing two psychiatrists in the leadup to the attack. he was paranoid. delusional. we also saw that. with the shooting in ottawa outside the parliament. and the hatchet attack in new york city recently where there was mental health issues in all the cases. and a mix between that and radicalization. >> one doesn't necessarily rule out the other. >> one doesn't necessarily rule out the other. when people have these sort of mental health issues people can
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move more easily from radical thought to radical action. some inhibitions against violence can go away. >> julia, again, it is scary if investigators cannot pinpoint any group he could have been afail yilted with.-- affiliated with. if this is mental illness leading to self actualization, self realization, or appeal to radical ideology. hard to prevent other incidents from occurring. there are less bread crumbs -- >> let's be clear here. almost impossible to prevent. the combination in this instance mental health access to arms some radicalization and something going on with the family that we are starting to hear about. you know it's just the pieces are so unique. that they drive one person to commit a mass murder they drive other people to seek therapy or to -- you know not, not be violent. that's the scary thing about
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where we are now. there is just simply no sort of definitive statement of what we can say about what's happening with these lone wolf attacks. >> let's help they find out more. julia, great to have you on. paul you as well. coming up. could be very bad news for 37 million customers who signed up or a dating website that caters to married people. its slow gains "life is short, have an affair." hackers have gotten in and threatening a big move. that's next. cover card you can now use freeze it to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds. and once you find it you can switch it right on again. you're back! freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com. everyone loves the picture i posted of you.
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people. >> randi joins us now. what did the company say about the $19 fee? >> the company reiterating the pay declegsworks. they wipe clean what may be sent. they are offering the pay delete option for free. which i think with the threat of exposure the a lot of people will jump on that. >> thank you. that does it for us. see you at 11:00 p.m. eastern. the cnn special report "it is a miracle, autumn's incredible surviveor story." starts now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. >> my grandparents offered to fly me it would be faster and more convenient. >> her first trip on a private plane. >> we just went up. that was fast. that was easy. >> becomes sheer terror.
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>> there was a lagt.ight. all trees. then a fire. >> a fatal crash. all i could smell was my hand burning. i could smell my hair burning. >> a sole survivor. >> i was trying to pull them out. i just couldn't do it. >> andn't des the desperate fight to stay alive. >> there was no way i would let myself die like this. >> how did she do it? >> did you think at some point, i am not going to make it? i am going to die? >> tonight, a "cnn special report." "it's a miracle." >> reporter: 16-year-old autumn veatch a young woman going through typical teenage angst. but she found things she loved. her art. her friends. her music. and going on social media on her phone. but in an instant. autumn's life became unimaginable. i came here to bellingham washington to talk to her about
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the tragic plane crash and her amazing journey to safety. can you tell me how it came to pass that you ended up going flying with your step grandparents? >> i was visit might mom in montana. i was trying to find a way back. my grandparents they offered to fly me because it would be faster and more convenient. i was like, okay. sound good. >> their beechcraft plane roared to life. autumn's step grandparents were up front. >> how close were you with them? >> i mean i met them probably two years ago when my mom and their son got married. they have been nothing but absolutely kind to me. during the visit i was having with my mom. stayed with them a few days. we went. saw movies together if i stayed at their house for a few nights.
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>> leiland bowman at the controls his wife sharon beside him. had you ever flown in the aircraft of that size before? >> not of that size. i mean a good while ago i was in some commercial flights to go to arizona. but that was it. >> when you first took off. because in a small plane it feels different doesn't it? >> yeah. >> when you first took off what was the sensation lick for youke for you? >> we just went up. that was easy. we took off so fast. i was like okay there we go. >> what did you see as you were flying along with your grandparents? >> a lot of trees. day lot of mountains. i was texting my friends. i'm on my way home. can't wit to see you guys. >> and she was posting pictures. this is autumn on the plane. >> i know that you sent a text to your boyfriend. what did that text say? >> well when we started hitting
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turbulence and stuff, i mean i was anxious about flying in the first place. and so -- i was like joking. and if i die, just remember, i love you. >> her boyfriend didn't find that funny. but no worry they had planned to see each other soon. once you made that text how long after that did the plane actually start having some problems and you start noticing there is a real issue here? >> maybe around 20 minutes. it wasn't really much longer. there was probably one text after that. me telling him i was trying to find the address for the airport. he was suppose to pick me up from the airport. i said i will get the address. and then i just never responded. >> and the plane never made it. at 3:21 the plane dropped off the radar. >> you're kind of flying through mountains and stuff. because you couldn't go very high. because it is a small plane, and -- you aren't supposed to do
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that i guess. we couldn't go above the cloud. then we can't see down. >> and then -- a close call a near crash. >> we almost crashed the first time. we went through some cloud. but he took like a sharp turn and was like whew. that was a close one. and i was like -- holding on to the back of the seat for dear life. like -- okay. >> you were nervous, getting scared. >> i was scared yeah. i figured we would be okay. but it got way too cloudy. we would drop a few feet. and it was wrong. that was part of the turbulence the bumpiness. we would drop a few feet. we completely lost sight of what was going on at all. all of the windows. you couldn't see a single thing. it was all white. and gps wasn't working. and i was kind of freaking out really bad. i just kind of hunched down a little bit. i was scared. hey, well they'll, sort it out. it will be okay. i am still panicking, freaking ow. and then they both started freaking out.
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yelling. turn the gps back on. and leiland said that he was just going to go up. they would just try to fly up. >> panic turned to doom quickly. >> because they were like we are going to crash into the side of the mountain. i can't see anything that is going on. >> tell me what you remember of the sensation of actually going down in an airplane? >> we started to go up. then there was a light. then it was all trees. then it was all fire. >> next the unthinkable. autumn's grandparents trapped inside the plane. >> i was obviously scared to be alone in the middle of absolutely nowhere. ♪ ♪ now get the unmistakable thrill... and the incredible rush of the mercedes-benz you've always wanted. but you better get here fast... yay, daddy's here! here you go, honey. thank you. ...because a good thing like this won't last forever.
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in the wilderness hurt and stunned, 16-year-old autumn veatch found herself alive inside the burning wreckage of the small plane she just had been riding in. but staying alive would mean quick thinking and finding the courage she never knew she had.
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>> i was seatbelted in. i was in the back. you were suppose to climb in the front doors. i don't know how i got in there. there was a hole in the side i climbed out of. >> once you were down on the ground. the plane had crashed. it was on fire. what did you do then? what did you see around you? >> i got out. that's huh my face got burned. my hair was burning and stuff. >> but she says her grandparents were trapped. >> my immediate response was to go and fry to help them out. and i was -- there was no way i could got to grandma. she was on the far side. and there is nothing i could do. i assumed if i got grandpa out, first. she would come out. but i was trying to pull it out. i couldn't do it. there was look a lot ofike a lot of fire. and i was a small person. that's what happened to my hand. i was trying to pull him out. but there was a pin theoint where it was like oh it is just not
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happening. and there is nothing i could do. leiland and sharon bowman perished inside the plane. it would take a miracle for autumn to make it. >> how did you go forward from that point? >> i started going downhill. i mean -- i was obviously distressed crying and -- really scared to be alone in the middle of absolutely nowhere. i didn't know where i was at all. [ indiscernible ] >> what was around you? >> trees, trees, trees. i couldn't see anything. i couldn't really see the sky at the time. i was look i should listen for a freeway or highway or whatever. i should listen for, you know anything anything. but i couldn't find anything. and i was just running and tripping. i fell so many
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i ended up falling off the side of a cliff. >> how narfar did you fall? >> i'm not positive. it really just kind of stunned me for a second. >> then the discovery that saved her life. >> i got to keep moving. then shortly after i found the start of the stream i followed for the rest of the way. >> burned and shaken she was still in shock. >> it was a lot of adrenaline. it was adrenaline kind of pushing me forward. the reason i wasn't feeling my hand burning and feeling everything that was happening. >> what was your body like physically? what kind of problems were you dealing with? >> the thing i was thinking abut most was my hand. because it was blistering. i had never seen anything like it. all i could smell was my hand burning. i could smell my hair burning. and my face hurt. >> and so did her heart. >> i was blaming myself for what
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happened to my grandparents. >> why were you blaming yourself? >> because you know -- i mean -- i tried to help. but i couldn't. and it hurts not being able to hurt. because they did matter a lot to me. and there was a lot of remorse and sad feelings and stuff. >> she was soaking wet and freezing from the cold. >> that first day a lot of crying. and i mean as soon as it started getting dark i was thinking like i should find a place to sleep. so i found a place that kind of was like indented that i could kind of climb into a little bit. and just slept on the ground. it started getting really dark. i was thinking i need to find a way to get warmer. but my knees up to my chest. put my head down into my knees and wrapped my arms around and used my breast to keep myself warm. >> did you actually -- used my
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breath to keep myself warm. >> did you actually sleep in the woods? >> it is hard to say. i couldn't tell if i was dreaming or thinking hard. it was impossible to sleep. i'm sure there was some kind of unconscious state. >> it was the second day of her trek. >> things started to look a little bit hopeless for me. like, what are the odd i'm just some 16-year-old girl like in the middle of absolutely nowhere. and i just started getting really hopeless. >> did you think at some point, i'm not going to make it. i am going to die? >> i was certain i was going to die. the second day i was living outside. and i was certain i would die of hypothermia. because i was freezing. and it just didn't seem likely that i would make it. >> up next -- autumn's incredible survival instincts kick in. >> i don't know where it came from.
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it's more than a movie. it's now a ride. fast and furious. supercharged. ride it at universal studios hollywood. all the odds were stacked against her of. autumn veatch had survived the plane crash but she was lost in the remote vilderness without any of the tools she needed to survive. time was running out. what were some of the thoughts coming to you? >> i just started getting really hopeless and was just freezing. and i was like well i'm going to die of hypothermia. like that's obviously what's going to happen. before dehydration or starving or anything gets to me it's
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golg to be me freezing to death because it was so cold. i was just so positive i was going to die. and it made me really sad because there's -- i started thinking about all the things that mattered so much to me that i didn't realize mattered before. >> like what? what were some of the things that came to you? >> just little things. little things that you don't realize that you love like -- like your pets or your favorite songs. or you know family friends. i was just thinking about everything, and how i would end up dying without ever actually telling anybody how much they actually meant to me and stuff. >> and there was that last text she sent to her boyfriend. >> i would leave my boyfriend on this you know weird cliff hanger joke thing where i was just being funny about dieing and stuff. >> and she had regrets about how she left things with other
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people she loved. >> i was reviewing i texted anybody and how irrelevant it all was and just got super sad and just got super sad. and just thought there was no way i could die feeling like this. there was no way at all. it was so sad. there was a lot of crying. a lot of crying. i don't know where it came from but i just got like this huge boost of like motivation. like it went from me being sad about those things to me being like angry about them. like that's not fair at all. i mean i'm not the best person ever but i dope deserve to die like this. like there's no way i'm going to let myself die like this. like i have to move. i'm not going to let myself die like this. this isn't fair and it's not cool at all. >> wet, injured cold the sole survivor of a fatal plane crash,
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autumn veatch picked herself up and started walking. she remembered tv survival shows she watched with her dad growing up. >> you have got to follow running water down and it always leads to civilization. >> fwasz harder than she knew. >> crossing that river over and over again was so difficult. it was really slippery. and i got dragged down a little little bit and had to get up. >> but she kept on going. >> as i was walking, i was thinking you know what would suck really bad, if there was waterfalls. >> then a sound off in the distance. >> huh but that sound? is that a freeway? i just kept walking. i saw just a drop. and i was like that's a water fault. it's a waterfall. it's a waterfall. i don't know what to do. >> but she did know one thing for certain, she wasn't giving
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up. >> i sat down and mentally prepared myself for a minute like how am i going to get down either side of this? there is not anything to grab onto. there is not any way to get around and it stuff. and i can't lose the stream because that's -- that's my way out, you know? so i decided to sail scale down one side of the thing. and i made it. i mean i made it down. it was about 20 feet. >> in your converse leggings. you had -- >> in my burned up pants. yeah. i made it down. it was a huge relief. >> can you yourself believe that you are here and still alive after all of that? >> well i mean i don't know. it's weird. it's weird to fully -- i mean i never thought that i had it in me to go through all that stuff. i'm kind of a huge whimp. >> a huge whimp who surprised herself with her own determination and will to fight. >> i'm the kind of person who struggled with you know finding a will to live and stuff.
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i'm a sad 16-year-old. >> a lot of 16-year-olds or people in general struggle with things like depression struggle with being negative. did you have those struggles? >> yeah, really badly. i struggled with those things every day. everything i said was negative. >> now, even in the most negative of situations lost in the woods she found a way to keep going. tell me what the moment was when you realized i'm out, i made it out? >> i saw a bridge. i saw a bridge and my heart dropped and i'm like is this real? am i hallucinating or something? am i going crazy. i went up to it. and there was a trail leading off the bridge and i walked up to it and there was one car parked there. and there was nobody by it. i didn't see anybody. >> finally a road where she tried to flag down somebody for help. are you flagging people down. >> i was up there for like an hour. it's like a freeway, there are so many people and everybody just ignored me.
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nobody even slowed down. >> autumn had hit her limit. >> i was sitting up there by the sign leaning against it. and that's when my muscles started to shut down. it hurt so bad just sitting still. >> she was feeling the effects of dehydration, muscle damage, and despair. but then a glimmer of hope. >> a red car pulled in and there were two guys. and i started crying. and i was like oh, my gosh, there's somebody here. >> they agreed to drive her to the nearest convenience store and she called 911. >> tell me exactly what happened. >> i was riding from kalispell, montana, to bellingham washington and about -- well i don't know where but we crashed and i was the only one that made it out. >> when you made that call, you sounded unbelievably calm. were you? >> i wasn't caught. i was in shock. i mean listening to that sounds
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so -- it haunts me now. it makes me feel so weird. >> how come. >> because like i wasn't feeling calm. i was -- i mean i had spent three days like out like sobbing and freaking out. like i just was so still and kind of everything hurt and i just didn't have the energy to cry more and to whatever. you know? i just -- and i was kind of grieving in the way i do which isn't, you know, it takes a while. it's very personal. and i was just wanting somebody to come get me. i just wanted to go to the hospital. i -- it was -- i was in so much pain. >> i'm going to send someone up to help you there at the mazama store. don't go anywhere okay. >> okay. >> in the ambulance autumn called her dad. >> he was happy. like -- he was super relieved and excited and happy. >> it seemed like a miracle.
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>> there is no way i cannot believe in god. >> even seasoned search-and-rescue workers were in awe. >> it is a miracle. it is definitely a miracle that she survived. we're so happy with it. >> we're impressed with her. she's kind of like a super hero. >> i mean everyone is talking about how impossible the scenario was, and you made it. >> i don't know how. i have no idea. i mean it's impressive. >> autumn was finally reunited with her friends and family in the hospital and is home healing. but everything is different. i feel like this has really changed you. >> it really has. before -- i'm a very introverted person very shy, really quiet, and relatively negative. but this really gave me a new found respect for life. like i have never loved being alive more and to having a
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second chance to be grateful and happy. donald trump tops a new national poll, and he won't back down from this slam at john mccain. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. donald trump's no apologies tour rolling on tonight after this comment about john mccain. >> he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. >> if you think this is the end for the mogul who wants to be your next president don't be so sure. he is a front-runner in a new national poll. is donald trump telling voters exactly what they want to hear or crossing a line with his tough talk. plus two war heros who were in prison with john mccain in vietnam. >>. let's