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plotting an attack. >> hate crime charges. the charleston church gunman is hit with a federal indictment. what does it mean for the case? and for his possible punishment? >> trump's tone. could he rein in his impulse to bash critics if he was elected president. andersen cooper presses trump about that and the feud that forced lindsey graham to destroy his cell phone. >> lindsey graham called me a jackass. you have to fight back. >> aggressive arrest. the confrontation between a texas state trooper and the woman who later died in her jail cell. tonight we are learning about a key admission by sandra bland before she died. we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. wolf blitzer is on assignment. you're in "the situation room." tonight we are tracking
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concerns about a possible terrorist attack pegged on president obama's travels, on the eve of his trip to africa about a slaughter at a shopping mall and brutal acts of violence. were the killers unintentionally tipped off about the president's comings and goings. i will ask, marie harf about the possible risk to the president and much more. our correspondents and analysts also are standing by to cover all of the news that is breaking now. first we go to our pentagon correspondent barbara starr. >> white house and pentagon officials insist insist there is no risk to the president and he will be absolutely safe during his trip to africa. but now already details about the movements of air force one have been released. kenyan authorities are -- have published apparently details about when "air force one" will
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be both arriving and departing the airport in nairobi, kenya, when airspace will be closed there, not clear how this appeared publicly. but the white house says it is no risk to the president. that said u.s. officials are telling us there has been increased chatter in recent days by the al qaeda affiliate home based in next door somalia, but a group conducted multiple attacks in kenya, attacks against shopping malls, attacks against universities wreaking havoc where they go. right now the assessment is that al shabab would not attack the president of the united states. what they would do instead is look for the more vulnerable those softer targets like you will like shopping malls and schools. what they want to do is create havoc attention away from the president's visit, try and demonstrate to the people of kenya, cause a divide so the people there think their government cannot keep them safe. plenty of worry.
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plenty of trouble about it but once again the white house, the pentagon saying that they are certain the president will be safe on this trip. brianna. >> barbara starr at the pentagon. thank you. >> the charleston church gunman is facing federal hate crime charges in addition to the murder counts against him in south carolina. the attorney general announcing this indictment a short time ago, calling racially motivated violence "the original domestic terrorism." want to bring in cnn senior washington correspondent joe johns. those were strong word from loretta lynch. >> strong word for sure. they have thrown the book at this guy, this is a 33-count indictment that gives the attorney general the option of seeking life in prison or the death penalty. she has not decided which way to go if he is convicted. dylann roof facing 12 hate crime charges for targeting of victims because of their race,ç 12 more charges for obstructing the exercise of religion remaining counts have to do with the use
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of a firearm in the commission of a violent crime. the indictment and the attorney general say roof allegedly selected the emanuel ame because of its prominence because of its significance to the people of charleston and the nation. normally now it is state prosecutors who take the lead on notorious murder cases like this. but south carolina is one of only a handful of states that doesn't have a hate crimes law. >> we have here a defendant who is alleged to have harbored discriminatory views towards african-americans to have sought out an african-american house of worship one that was particularly noted because of age and significance and he also sought out african-american worshippers at worship. racially motivated violence such as this is the original domestic terrorism. >> the attorney general said roof planned the attack on the church several months in advance. the indictment references roof's widely cited racist manifesto found on the internet.
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the process to determine whether to seek the federal death penalty can be complicated. a committee puts together a recommendation. the attorney general gets the final say on whether to seek it out once it reaches the penalty phase in the trial. the death penalty is legal in the state of south carolina. roof is also facing a slew of state charges relating to the case. >> as you said throwing the book at him. joe johns, thank you so much for your report. let's talk about the iran nuclear deal and tough push back by republicans each democrats on capitol hill tonight. this as the the family of american held captive in iran is speaking out making a new appeal for his release. global affairs correspondent elise lavat has been following the wrangling over what is in and not in this nuclear agreement. catch us up, elise. >> secretary of state john kerry briefing lawmakers behind closed doors right now. the obama administration maintained tying the fate of the four americans being held in
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iran to the nuclear negotiations would not help bring them home. now the deal is done the families say it is time for the u.s. to step up the pressure. >> sequestercretary of state john kerry on capitol hill for a closed door high stakes briefing trying to sell the iran nuclear deal to a skeptical congress. >> it will make the region our friends and allies safer, it will make the world safer. >> reporter: but that may not be enough. >> a bad deal threatens the security of at american people. we are going to do everything possible to stop it. >> reporter: skeptical lawmakers worry the deal will embolden iran in the middle east and angry four americans are being left behind. includeing including, a "washington post" reporter. it's ben one year since he was arrested on spy charges and thrown in iran's notorious avin prison. >> he is innocent. >> today his family and employers at "the washington post" made another plea for his
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release. this time calling on the united nations to step in. >> no evidence has been produced of espionage or any other offense. >> he feels his brother's case got caught up in the nuclear talks. now that the deal is done he hopes the iranians will send his brother home. >> certainly i think the right thing to do would have been to release him long ago. the right thing to do is release him now. he is innocent. >> reporter: president obama under fire for striking the deal while the reporter and two other americans are still being held. a fourth american missing. and this week once again promised to spare no effort. >> we are not going to relent until we bring home our unamericans ununam -- our americans detained in iran. >> one adviser to the family tells me that he believes secretary kerry may have missed a window opportunity to secure the americans released before the deal was anounced.
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now the hope is that the iranians will let them go before the u.n. general assembly in september to improve their image on the word stage and make sure this is not an irritant at the u.n. >> elise labott. thank you. joining me senior state department adviser, marie harvin. i first want to talk to you about the trip president obama is taking to kenya. and the fact that the state department has sort of raised warning about possible terrorist activity there, possible al shabab attack being specific concern. is it safe for the president to go on the trip? >> absolutely. i know you heard the white house speak to this t look fork ward to -- this. looking forward to the trip. we have a duty when it come to kenya and places to warn of possible violence. when it comes to the president's trip. he will be safe. >> we will talk more in a moment. we will get a quick break in.
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we're back now with state department senior adviser marie harf in vienna during the long tense talks that led to the nuclear deal with iran. i want to ask you about something that we are hearing out of iran from the iranian supreme leader ayatollah khomeini. he said policy toward the arrogant u.s. will not change. your boss secretary kerry responded to that. let's listen. >> i don't know how to interpret it at this point in time except to take it at face value that is his policy.
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but i do know that often comments are made publicly and things can evolve that are different. if it is the policy it's very disturbing. it's very troubling. we'll have to wait and see. >> he says wait and see. marie, wait and see for what? >> well when it comes to the nuclear agreement. he is right. we are going to hear many things said over the course of the weeks and months. some of which will sound lechike that and be disturbing to us. what we are focused on is whether iran lives up to the agreement. we have now a framework and a whole agreement with a bunch of nuclear steps they have to take. the test will be whether or not day take them. >> so if that is posturing as you see it by the ayatollah, but the steps are taken in conjunction with the nuclear agreement then that is a sa theiry that -- scenario the u.s. is okay with? >> we are not okay with some of
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the things ayatollah says about us and the deal. >> if the nuclear agreement is really the measure. >> the measure for the nuclear agreement whether or not iran takes the steps it has to take. the measure for us was whether it cuts off their pathways to a nuclear weapons and pushes out their breakout time to a year. we have done that. so we will hear a lot. we expect to hear a lot publicly. what matters for the agreement is whether or not they do what they committed to do. >> secretary kerry on the hill talking to members of congress briefing them. we understand from reporting that there were some gop members of congress who asked the secretary about possible side deals that are going on between iran and the iaea. they didn't feel that they got really a satisfactory answer. look a yes or no. are there any deals? are there any parts of the deal that have not been put before members of congress at this point? >> there is a couple pieces
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here. to be very clear there are no secret deals that the members of the p 5 plus 1 including the u.s. don't have the details of. the ieae in the course of normal business, technical agreements are not made public for good reason. since the issues are so important. the p-5 plus 1 has been briefed on details of the agreements and can brief them to congress in classified settings which its what secretary kerry did today. so there is no secret deal. nothing we are not aware of. everything we have congress has. >> he has put everything before congress? >> absolutely. >> you have heard obviously from for instance the family of the journalist, other americans, couple other americans held in iran. there is this question of whether iran may release them ahead of september to look better in the eyes of the international community. do you get the sense that iran is amenable to releasing the
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priz prisoners? >> we believe they should have been released. we are pushing it in every single meeting. secretary kerry raises it. wendy sherman raises it. >> are they giving any signal this may be any reason to be optimistic? especially for these families on this anniversary, this one-year anniversary of the detention of "washington post" bureau chief? >> we are not going to be optimistic. i would never use that word until the americans are home with their families. i remember personally jason, last july being in vienna covering the iran talks for "the washington post." not having him there this year everyone certainly felt that. secretary kerry raises it. we are pushing every way we can. we will continue to do so until they're home. >> would it help for the administration in making its case to congress if iran were to release these detainees? >> well we believe that congress should judge the nuclear deal based on the facts that are in the nuclear deal. that's what they should look at. but separately we are being
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very clear with congress. sure it came up today. sure it will come up on the hill tomorrow. we are using every single opportunity to press the iranians to bring them home. to allow them to come home. >> there is no doubt some members of congress would be more amenable if they could see this gesture of goodwill from iran. i understand you are trying to decouple these things. certainly it would help wouldn't it? >> well again, we believe iran should release these americans so they can be home with their families regardless of what that might mean for congressional approval or not, regardless if anything that happened with the nuclear deal that's why we keep pushing it. the secretary has been clear to congress, many members of congress care deeply about this issue. he has been clear we are doing everything we can and will not rest until they're home. awe mau marie harf. thank you for joining us. >> happy to be here. >> sandra bland's family is demanding answers after dash cam video showing her arrest days before she dieden a enin a jail cell.
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murder or suicide? new evidence tonight could be key. and would president trump call his political opponents or foes idiots? anderson cooper presses trump. it's a golden opportunity to elevate each moment. hit every mark. thread every needle. turn every ride into a thrill ride. come in to the lexus golden opportunity sales event, where you'll find some of the best offers of the year on our most exhilarating models. lease the 2015 rc 350 for $449 a month for 36 months and will make your first month's payment. see your lexus dealer.
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tonight more controversy surrounding the hanging death of a woman in a text tech jail
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after the release of dash cam video of her traffic stop. questions are swirling about whether sandra bland committed suicide or whether she was murdered. we're getting new information related to that. cnn's reporter is in texas with the very latest on this. ed. >> we were given the medical intake perform that referred to sandra bland. couple significant portions i will read off. she is asked have you ever been depressed? yes. do you fooleel this way? yes. have you ever had thoughts of killing yourself in the last year? >> yes. >> thinking of killing yourself today? >> no. >> ever attempted suicide? >> yes. >> 2014. the reason why she had lost a baby. and was using pills. this the latest twist in a situation that has become very riled by mistrust and it is casting a large shadow over the case of sandra bland. >> do you mind putting out your
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cigarette please? >> i'm in my car, why do i have to put out my cigarette? >> you can step out now? >> i don't have to stop out. >> step out of the car. >> from there the traffic stop of sandra bland escalates into a heated showdown for ten minutes. the texas state trooper tries to pull bland from the car. >> i am going to yank you out of here. >> i will light you up. get out. now! >> wow. wow. >> for failure to signal. >> tensions rise as a bystander, captures images of holding bland to the ground. the dash cam caught what bland is saying? >> you are a real man. knocked my head in the ground. i have epilepsy. >> good. good. >> bland would spend the next three days in the jail cell. waller county officials say bland tried several times to call family and friends from the jail, but she couldn't get help to post the bond which was over
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$500. >> she had so many problems that the jailers allowed her, they would take her out of the cell and bring her to the booking desk. and allow her to use the desk phone and make free phone calls. that happened at least twice. >> the arrest video does not shed light on bland's death. but a nearly three-hour video recorded inside the jail the morning bland was found dead shows no unusual activity around her cell in the hours leading up to her death. sandra bland's family spoke out again wednesday afternoon, saying the 28-year-old was not diagnosed with depression and not taking medications. >> why it is a 2-year-old woman who had received two job offers would fake her own life. what it does is raises questions. raises questions why a 28-year-old woman would call her mother in excitement about those two jobs and then take her life. >> reporter: the dps trooper who made the arrest has been pulled from patrol duty.
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officials say he did not handle the arrest professionally. the sandra bland case is buried under intense levels of mistrust. bland family members don't believe she committed suicide. the release of the arrest video didn't help cool those concerns. video glitches appeared on the tape like this white car quickly disappearing and reappearing. made it appear the video was tampered with. texas dps officials say the was a technical malfunction and the video was not edited. dps officials have reposted the video. and nothing appears to have been edited out. what started as a routine traffic stop erupted into a confounding roadside showdown and a death many refuse to believe is a suicide. >> in the forms we received received a short while ago, sandra bland is asked if she is under any medication. she checks no. apparently. and that is consistent with what her family members had said, a few hours ago. but now a great deal of scrutiny surely headed this way to this
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document we are looking at here this afternoon. >> thank you. let's talk now about this with our law enforcement analyst, former fbi director tom fuentes. here to take a closer look at sandra bland's arrest. let's take a closer look. we want to barack thisreak this down. the trooper standing at bland's car. stopped for not turning on her signal. the situation quickly escalates after the officer asks bland to put out her cigarette. let's watch. >> step out of the car. >> okay. >> right here, i would like to stop it. you see the officer take the clipboard that was with the, had the warning ticket she was going to sign. when he puts it on, on the hoothdhood of her car, he made up his mind he needs both hands free. he is going to go in that car and have some type of hands-on with her. now you actually see it. he is opening the car door. my point here is right at this moment, he knows he is going to
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put his hand on a woman. and another, subject. even if it was a man. all he has to do at that point be calling for a backup and find out how long before the other unit will get there. as we learn later in the tape the other unit arrives in 3:30 a female officer. >> he hasn't called yet for that backup. >> no. he doesn't call. you will hear him in a moment. >> bickering with sandra bland. >> he is already touching her. >> is he kind of losing it at this point? do you think, losing control of his emotions? >> looks to me he lost his composure. he is angry. see at this point -- he still hasn't called. >> all right. >> he's reaching in and grabbing her. >> let's do this she says. >> don't touch me. >> get out of the car. >> don't touch me. i am not under arrest. you don't have the right. >> he's calling. >> 25, that's it right there. >> send me another unit. >> he already laid hands on her.
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that send me a unit should have come when he put the clipboard on the hood of the car. >> what would have happened if another unit had shown up. >> he would have learned by radio he has a female officer on the way. she will be there in a matter of minutes. cool this down. back off. hold on. he is not being threatened by her. she hasn't attacked him. he can just step back and wait a few minutes for this to happen. and actually she can finish her cigarette as far as that goes. the point, a certain point you will have two officers dealing with her. and one of the officers will be a female officer. >> should he have let her finish the cigarette. this is the end of the process, the ticket is written. >> frankly, why not. i taught huhow to make traffic stops. i was a training officer, you would wait for your backup if you can. the only time for a male officer to be touching a subject that is a woman is if she attacks you. if she is kicking. biting. punching. trying to stab you. fine, you have no choice but to
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defend yourself. she is not in that mode. she is not happy. she issage tatd. giving him a hard time. not complying. all that is true. but there is still no reason he has to right that second put hands on her. >> tom fuentes. thank you. let's bring in don lemon, analyst and former prosecutor sunny hostin and psychologist jeff garier to talk with us. >> we heard from sandra bland's sister. she spoke out. let's listen. >> as her sister i feel like the officer was picking on her. point-blank period. and i personally think it is petty. i am infuriated and everybody else should be infuriated as well. >> we have seen some protests don, do you think we are going to see outrage building over this case? >> i think we will. i think her sister is right. she is her sister. if my sister or one of my family members that happened to them i would be outraged as well. i think we do have the
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possibility of protests are there. this story for us this situation for them sadly, a deadly situation has touched a nerve. in this country about interaction with police officers. as sunny and i were on the air last night debating whether it was racial or not. if he knew her ethnicity. if it escalated possibly because of race. at this point, i don't think we can say that. i think some people may assume that. rightfully so. if they want to assume that. but i think that because of what is going on in the country when it comes to police stops, police brutality, people losing their lives. i think there is a possibility of protest. >> jeff as a psychologist, you are familiar with the effects of depression, we learned from ed's report, in the intake slip what sandra bland told her jailers was that yes sunny hadhe had felt
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and dealt with depression before yes she felt this way right now. yes she tried to kill herself. she said that was in 2014. she also disclosed she was not under any medication. certainly to treat depression. what went wrong? >> what went wrong is when she gave all of these warning signals that depression may have been something that was real in her life and yes, she made a suicide attempt in 2014 we're talking no more than a year ago, maybe some sort of postpartum depression or something, because she said that she lost the child. that means as jailers, as custodians you have to make sure this person is safe. and that means when you hear those three warning signs around depression you must put that person on some sort of a watch, a 15-minute watch, maybe a 30-minute watch. if you want to be safe, you put them on a suicide watch. it appears that was not done. >> okay sunny, chime in on
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that. there wasn't even there was no video in the cell. there may be certainly something governing that. they were checking in on intercom, not face to face. should they have put her on a suicide watch? >> oh there is no question about it. i mean she also told the officer on the ground she suffered from epilepsy. so there is no question, i think that the proper precautions were not taken here. this is some one that should not have been in isolation. this is someone that should have been on suicide watch. bottom line if we are being transparent here this is some one that should have never been in the jail in the first place. i mean when i look at this video which i have now reviewed it -- at least a dozen times, it is very clear that he was trying quite frankly to assert authority over her that he did not legally have. he didn't have the thrt toauthority to put out her cigarette. step out of the car, yank her out of the car, didn't have
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authority to use his taser on her, he didn't have the authority and wasn't giving lawful orders to her. bottom line is i wonder how it got that far that she was in prison in a county jail for three days on $5,000 bond. why didn't a prosecutor or police supervisor review this dash-cam video and realize this was a bad arrest and she shouldn't have been there in the first place. there is liability for this county jail and for this department all over the place. >> sunny hostin don lemon, thank you so much to all of you, tom fuentes. we'll continue to follow this. and don is going to have much more of this at 10:00 p.m. on "cnn tonight" be sure to tune in for that. of next donald trump goes one-on-one with cnn's anderson cooper, and controversies ignited and pressures growing now and will trump maybe tone it
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tonight donald trump claims he is willing to soften his tone if elected president. cnn's anderson cooper sat down and pressed him on his feuds with lindsey graham and rivals. >> i get called all these horrible names by lindsey graham, i don't even know. i couldn't care less about lindsey graham. he is registered at 0 in the poll by rick perry from texas who was in my office a few years ago. just post aid picture of him,
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shaking my hand looking for money and support. he was up people were saying, i called him a hypocrite. they're saying horrible things like. i don't even know these people. they're saying these, am i supposed to, you know, just say, it is okay for them to say -- one guy, lindsey graham called me a jackass. i'm called a jackass. you have to fight back. the country has to fight back. everyone is pushing our country around. we can't allow that. >> is it presidential though? to give out a personal phone number? awe thought was a long story. you have to see the long story, the whole story the way it morphed. he wanted to get on fox & friends. called me out of the blue. never met the guy. wanted to come in for campaign contributions. then he starts hitting me years later the i happened to have this crazy phone number. i held it up. i said this guy was over here. and actually as you probably know, the room was packed standing room only in fact they had, theaters it was overflow
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crowd. closed circuit television into other rooms. the place went wild. we all had a good time. >> but is that presidential? >> i think so. it's fine. >> somebody in congress -- >> i was hit by somebody unfairly. i was called named. he was up hitting me saying what a bad guy i was, was up in my office asking for money asking if i can get him on television. >> when you are president of the united states you will be hit by half of the country. are you going to call them dumb, stupid? >> i think it is a little different. right now i am trying to do something to make the country great again. politicians will never make the country great again. >> as the president you would change your tone? >> i think so. >> anderson joining me now to talk more about this. he said it there. i think so. he would change his tone as president. did he elaborate on that? >> i asked him, george w. bush while campaigning once said he would be a uniter not a divider. i asked donald trump as
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president would he be a uniter or divider. he said a uniter. i think he believes, and he elaborates we will have more of this tonight. he believes that he can make deals with people that as president, it's different than it is running a campaign. it's different in the rough and tumble and game of politics and as president he would be a cheerleader for this country and, and be able to reach out to people and, and, get things done in washington. and part of that is by changing his tone. >> you have talked to him a couple times recently. do you see any evolution as he has done better in the polls as he has come under more scrutiny? >> i don't know about evolution. i think he is who he is. i don't think donald trump is reinventing himself in terms of his personality or anything. i think people know what he is like. and he is very much like that. the fact that you know on saturday he said that stuff about john mccain. he didn't sort of gradually
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kind of backed away a little bit in an interview with bill o'reilly. not fully. didn't make any apology. and he is has moved on from that. all of the polls seem to end kateend -- indicate, in terms of republican polls he is doing, very very well. tomorrow clearly going to get a lot of coverage when we goes to the border. i think he feels he is in a very good position. >> anderson, we look forward to your interview tonight. see more of it during anderson's show. he has a full interview with donald trump on "ac 360." tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. i want to talk donald trump and presidential race with chief political analyst gloria borger senior correspondent, jeff zeleny, and a commentator with us as well. you hear trump saying i think so. i would tone it down. isn't that him saying i would
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not be myself. >> not sure we would like the decaffeinated version of donald trump. we like this bombastic version of that. he has been a successful businessman. he knows how to conduct himself in board rooms and saw that with his financial disclosure. if he happened to become president, would he be this exact same way, probably not. but there are a lot of ifs lined up there. in anderson's interview there are eight word that popped out to me that explain his appeal. politicians will never make this country great again. that's what he says to people people are like you are right. you are right. i don't like politicians. that's his appeal. >> so you heard trump talk about how he came out, he gave lindsey graham's cell phone number he has done that before. but i have never seen a political candidate do anything like that. >> think he would do that to harry reid? >> he might. don't dare him, right. so there is this back and forth going with lindsay graham i wonder. you look at the national poll.
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24%. donald trump. lindsey graham 1%. does it help lindsey graham. almost look a bouncer in this. >> these guys are competing to get on the debate stage, august 6. lindsey graham is calling him a jackass and everything else. and a train wreck. and done aldald trump fights back. i don't think he would ever change. just for the record. i think he is incapable of that. this work for lindsey graham. >> he is fund-raising off of it. it works for rick perry. >> talking about it. >> wreck perrick perry wants to look presidential compared to donald trump. a little more dicey for the folks who know they're going to be on the stage with donald trump. talking to one of the campaigns today. they believe that trump's people are more message loyal than personally loyal to trump. so they want to figure out a way. >> to tap into the message. the anti-politician message that
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jeff was talking about. without becoming donald trump. >> what about what we heard lindsey graham the standout part of his interview. he said donald trump is a political car wreck. he said people slow done to look at it. but then they pass it. we expect he is on the debate stage. do you think, people have said i have seen enough of this quote, unquote political car wreck. >> depend on which donald trump shows up? he is a very capable, smart gift. i have interacted with him a number of times. if he comes to the debate seriously with policy outlines doesn't interrupt, doesn't call people dummies and names and takes it seriously. i think people would be impressed with donald trump. i think he could have an impressive debate. >> can he do that? does he have the displan tocipline to do that? >> i don't know. we have to see which donald trump shows up. does he want to blow it up and
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do the donald trump thing? i think people will get tired of that. if they've see him next to scott walker, marco rubio, rand paul taking this seriously he is up there stream of consciousness cracking jokes. >> they're trying to figure out how to react to donald from snptrump? do we do a one-liner? the toughest job in the world to be donald trump's debate coach. >> there is no coaching. >> there is probably not any. >> how do they deal how do opponents, jeff deal this is really a struggle, right. i assume almost what they think they might do today is different on the eve of the debate? >> a couple weeks. who knows what will happen. some of the candidates are watching old clips of how he has been on the apprentice on other shows. they're not that familiar with him. right. trying to get a sense of how he is. i'm with se. if he has a serious moment he is
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not going to use this. he has plenty of venues to pop
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tonight, the people of kenya are anxiously awaiting president obama's first trip to his father's homeland since taking office. that includes members of his own family. cnn's brooke baldwin took the trip to kenya where she talked exclusively with some of the president's relatives. she asked his half sister about their father and the dreams that he had for his son. take a look. >> reporter: your father pass wade when he was 43. your brother really didn't get years with him. when your brother reached out with the letter and you visited him in chicago and then you returned the favor and had him come to kenya, i'm wondering, what were some of the questions he wanted to know about his family specifically about his dad? >> it was easy talking to my
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brother. we kind of hit it off. all the questions he asked, i kind of anticipated. he wanted to know everything. he wanted to know everything about us about my father everything about our family. i took him to so many relatives. my brother wanted to know everything. i can't answer that question any other way. i think it's normal. because it was part of finding his own identity. >> reporter: when you got the letter to first meet barak obama, you thought it was your father's handwriting? >> it was my father's handwriting. >> reporter: what do you think the one thing your father would say to his son? >> he would be proud and say well done. then he would add, but, obviously, you are an obama. he would be very proud. >> reporter: brooke baldwin just back from kenya joining us live now from new york. amazing interview. it sounds like his family very proud and looking forward to this moment as is the whole country. >> reporter: i'm pinching myself
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removed from this and back here in new york and the notion that dr. obama invited myrrh edd me her to their homestead where their grandmother lives. it took a couple of months to nail this interview down because the grandmother is fiercely protective and private when it comes to her brother, her nieces and her sister-in-law. to be able to go to far western kenya, a place that some seven years ago prepresident obama didn't have paved roads and now you walk around and you run into little boys named barak obama, schools named after obama, streets named after obama. to hear a little bit more about this father who both alma and barak share was a special moment. >> you asked her to describe her proudest moment about her brother and his accomplishments. what did she say to you? >> reporter: i think it's easy the fact that he was ultimately
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elected as president of the united states twice over. here is what she said. >> he has been in the white house for seven years. can you describe the most moment? >> getting in the white house. >> reporter: getting in? >> yeah. he got in twice. i'm proud of that. i'm seriously proud of that. >> reporter: did you see him recently break out into amazing grace? have you seen that video? >> i did. ♪ amazing grace ♪ >> i'm surprised he sapgng so well. it was amazing. it was amazing. >> go on. >> reporter: on the record president obama is only supposed to be in nairobi. a lot of people in the village hoping that he makes a side stop there. full of pride. >> they hope. great interview. thanks so much. there will be more of the
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interview with the president's relatives in kenya on cnn's newsroom. watch tomorrow and friday at 3:00 eastern only on cnn. that is it for me. thanks for joining us in "the situation room." erin burnett "out front" starts right now. tonight, breaking news. sandra bland, the young black woman who died in police custody, told a jail official that she had previously tried to commit suicide, this according to jail records. this is as police release video of her arrest. bland's sister is "out front." will the real donald trump please oh please stand up. he tells cnn he has to fight back against lindsey graham. he is promising to change his tone if he becomes president. terrorist chatter on the eve of the president's trip to one of the most dangerous countries