and "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thank you for joining us. tonight a news making conversation with donald trump. he is right now the leading republican running for president. he is leading in the polls, leading in coverage controversy and at the moment he is leading in how he seems to be shaking up the race and the reaction drawing from his opponents. senator lindsey graham destroyed his cell phones after donald trump gave out his number and posted it today on youtube. rick perry called trumpism in his word a cancer on conservatism. because of what donald trump has been saying on the campaign trail attacking him on illegal immigrants. but also perry was attacking him on faith, and his commitment to it. which i talked to donald trump about tonight. we covered a lot of ground. starting with polling released this morning. a few hours before i spoke with mr. trump. a new survey in the swing states of colorado iowa and virginia showing he is the worst or second to worst favorabilitien a

general election match up. hillary clinton performing badly in the same survey. here's part one of the conversation. let's take polls. first, "washington post" poll monday. great news for you. huge lead in the republican field. the poll today, not so good news for you. in the general election voters colorado iowa virginia you have the worst favorability ratings of any one. republican democrat negative favorability of 2:1. hillary clinton did badly. >> i haven't seen it. >> do favorability ratings worry you? >> i don't think so. i turned a lot around. in north carolina it was negative. now tremendously positive. when people hear what i say about the vets and how strong my commitment is to the vets treated badly and to the border which is horrible. every time people listen to me all of a sudden it becomes very favorable. good exam pull would be north carolina weren't so positive. i haven't seen that. i think generally speaking we

are doing very well. certainly doing well in the abc/"washington post" poll and every other poll i have seen in the last couple weeks. >> you think you can turn around. a lot of people say, look those kind of unfavorability ratings that does not bode well. you've think you can turn that around? >> i don't know. doing this for the good of the country. some sp somebody. politicians will never turn the country around. the politician thousands are going to destroy the country. weak, ineffective. controlled by the lobbyists and special interests. >> you talk lobbyists and special interests. you talked last time. you have given a lot of money to politicians over the years. democrats, republicans. aren't you part of the problem? >> absolutely. 100%. i was on the other sigh. they will do whatever i want. of until you decide to run. >> isn't that hypocritical to say this is a problem. i will make the most. >> i was playing the game. i was a businessman. i made a fortune. i made a lot of money. i posted over $10 billion.

>> to make money okay to play the game. >> it's called your life. i'm a businessman. i contribute to people. they treat me nicely. and everything else. >> how do you change that? that culture of money for access? >> listen. i read an article. bush is meeting with lobbyists in washington. has a meeting with all the lobbyists. every one of the lobbyists that gives money they expect something for it. that's a bad thing. >> i have had lobbyists and some very good ones. they could do anything they can take a politician and have him jump. off this ledge. >> can you change that culture of corruption? >> will you can in the sense that the top person can't be bought. i'm worth far too much money. i don't need anybody's money. i'm not running with any body's men knee. spending my own money. the lobbyists they control the politicians. just take a look in one of the articles recently i see, bush with the lobbyists. he's sitting there with all of these people. they're totally telling them what to do. like a little puppet. and the same with hillary. same with everybody else.

when i am in business i'm part of that game. when i'm in this. i know. >> can you jump back and forth? >> i am able to do that. >> not hypocritical? >> i made a lot of money. >> i have heard. >> i don't need money. i don't need money to run. i don't need $5,000 here. $10,000 here. these guys are desperate for money. i don't need it. i will do what is right for the country. >> who will run the businesses? >> children and executives. >> they're very good. >> jeb bush said if we embrace divisiveness and ugliness we will never win. >> when you say divisive? >> i'm quoting him. >> i get called names by lindsey graham. i don't even know. i didn't start it with lindsey graham. he's registered at 0 in the poll. rick perry, in my office a couple years ago, shaking my hand looking for money and looking for support.

people will say, i call it hypocrite. they're saying horrible things. like i don't know these people. they're saying these, now am i supposed to you know just say it is okay for them to say. one guy, i guess its was lindsey graham called me a jackass. am i suppose to say it's okay. i'm called a jackass. you have to fight back. the country has to fight back. everyone is pushing our country around. we can't allow that. >> is it presidential? to give out a personal phone number? >> that was a long story. you have to see the whole story the way it morphed. the whole story. he want to get on fox and friends. called me out of the blue. never met the guy. wanted to come in for campaign contributions. gave me his cell phone number. starts hitting me years later. i happened to have this crazy phone number. i said this guy was over here and actually as you probably know the room was packed standing room only in fact they had, other theltersaters, overflow closed circuit television.

the place went wild. we all had a good time. >> is that presidential? >> i think so. >> i was hit by somebody unfairly. i was called names by somebody. the somebody hitting me saying what i bad guy i am was up in my office asking for money and asking if i can get him on television. >> when you are president of the united states you will be hit by half the country. probably not going to look you. are you going to call them -- >> it's different. trying to make the country great again. politician will never make the country great again. >> as president you would change your tone? >> i think so. i would deal very differently. >> do you have the temperament to be president? the question jeb bush was raising, divisiveness and language. you have a no prisoners approach. somebody attacks you. >> no i don't have that. i am very different than you would thing. right now i am fight. i am one in the polls by far. i'm beg aing attacked.

on all side. excuse me. in my opinion. this isn't the same thing. in my opinion when attacked you have to -- you know defend and attack back. okay. i'm being attacked by certain people. actually bush i think is probably a nice guy. i don't think he has the temperament. by that he is a nice guy. but he doesn't have the temperament. he is too low key. he is too laid back. can you imagine bush negotiating with china? you want to talk about temperament. i will in fro deuce youtroduce you to the chinese. they have temperament. can you imagine bush negotiating with china? >> his brother. george w. bush said he would be a uniter not a divider. what would you be? >> a great uniter. we are not united now. we have a president that whether people love him or hate him, the world is a mess. hillary clinton by the way was the worst secretary of state in the history of this country in my opinion. but we have a president, right now, excuse me doesn't get along with russia.

doesn't get along with anybody. the only one he gets along with is iran. even that is very suspect. because they want to blow everybody up. >> back in 2888 # #2007 you said hillary clinton surround her sfl with smart people and could be a good negotiator against iran. >> maybe she could be. i don't think so. i know her very well. when i am in the private sector. i am a businessman. i like everybody. i have to deal with these people. i am not going to attack people. >> done ald fromald trump as president would be different than on the campaign trail. >> look at the world today. who do we get along with? our allies are decimated. did a stupid thing in iraq by going in. you know in 2004 i was going against going in. july 2004, roll iters reuters, bush sent a group to talk to me. i was getting publicity on the fact that we shouldn't be doing iraq. i am the most militaryistic. you have to know when to use the

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saturday at faith and values. and a lot of people haven't heard you talk about it. >> fine, fine. by the way i was very well received. i had the biggest standing ovation. the biggest standing ovation. and it was, really a great day. it was really a great day. >> a lot of people didn't focus on it. they got caught up in the mccain thing. you said at the faith forum when asked if you ever asked for forgiveness from god. i'm not sure i have. i try to go on. and do a better job from there. i don't think so. that surprised people of faith. >> then i said communion. i go to communion. that's asking forgiveness. >> for you -- >> a form of asking forgiveness, yes. communion. i go to church a lot. i'm protestant. presbyterian. >> the idea of asking for forgiveness, that's not a, is that a central tenet for you? sore is that something? >> i look to work where i don't have to ask for forgiveness. i look to do the right thing where i don't have to ask for forgiveness. you know when you don't make such bad things that you don't

have to ask for forgiveness. i try to lead a life where i don't have to ask god for forgiveness. i am protestant presbyterian. a lot of people are surprised to hear. i go to church. the great norman vincent peale was, my minister for years. power of positive thinking fantastic. >> the notion of forgiveness, that's not a central tenet nor you? >> i try not to make mistakes where i have to ask for forgiveness. when i'm asked a question look that. i've don't look to make a lot of mistakes. >> i would never ask the detail. the idea of repentance is that something that is important to you? >> i think repenting is terrific. >> do you feel the need to? >> if i make a mistake. >> part of forgiveness. >> if i make a mistake. i think it's great. i try not to make mistakes. why do i have to repent? why do i have to ask for forgiveness, if you are not making mistakes? i work hard. i'm an honorable person. i have thousand of people that work for me. i have employed tens thoufz sand

ofsand -- tens of thousand of people. >> you give to charity. >> built a memorial in manhattan. >> you talk communion, eucharist eucharist, lord's supper, different things. i drink my little wine and eat my little cracker. >> people of faith. >> they didn't say that at all. when i left i saw people. i got the biggest ovation of the weekend. i saw people and i saw how a couple of reporters made a big deal out of that. we were having fun. when i said i drink the wine. i eat the cracker. but we're talking about communion. you know what the role whole room was laughing. they're religious people and great people. the whole room was laughing. >> eric eriksson said based on your comments about faith saturday it largely closed the book on evangelical support. >> don't think so. i saw polls in iowa i am doing

really well in terms of iowa a really big group of people. >> the poll in iowa among general. >> you keep bringing up negative. why don't you bring up the positive? excuse me. you started off the start off the interview with a approximately poll i didn't know existed. >> intentionally. i knew you would accuse me of that. >> every poll i am leading in. you give me the two polls where it is different states. they're not even a national poll. >> check the record. >> i'm sure the record is fine. >> i think it is very unfair. talk to me about a poll i have never even saw. not even a poll. on three different states. and you are hitting me with this. i think, frankly, i think it is a very fair question. i think it is an extremely, you start off the interview with that. you don't say, i led in the fox poll. i'm leading in the abc "washington post" poll. >> leading across the board. >> i am leading across the board. then you hit me with the poll i didn't see before. oh gee not even that kind of a

poll. all i know is i have a very big -- group of support. i think one of the reasons. >> among republicans you are way out in the front. >> the people don't trust you and the people don't trust the media. >> and politicians. >> i have been covered, fairly accurately. a financial press. numbers are numbers. my numbers happen to be great. i was all way sort of treated fair. with the media it's not all cases, some some of the political media is great. and really honest. even if they've dent wanton't want to be. i find 60% of the 70% of the political media is really really dishonest. you know i tell the story, the american dream -- i talk about the american dream in speeches. the american dream is dead. but i will make it bigger belter than before. the american dream is dead. i will make it bigger stronger. right. i do it with great bravado, audience goes crazy. i go home my wife would say, darling that was so bad. what was bad.

what you said today? what did i say? >> the american dream is dead. cut on one of the major networks. >> we covered a lot more ground than that. you will see in a moment. there is plenty to talk about. joining us cnn political commentator, paul begala. also former reagan white house political director jeffrey lord currently contributing editor at "american spectator" and anna navaro supports jeb bush and good friend with marco rubio. you heard donald trump not backing down. not easing off any of his positions. maybe his tone would change if he were elected president. he says. for now he is headed to the u.s./mexican border tomorrow and no doubt will get a ton of attention there. what do you make of what you heard tonight? >> you know it's striking me that he is sounding incredibly repetitive. once you take out the part about him being rich. about him being loved. about him getting great ovations. about him, him, him, him, him, there is very little meat there

when it come to pollicypolicy. there is little subtans to thestance to the thing he said. i think people are venting through the polls. i will fell you a story, anderson. in 2012 i got a poll call. i was mad with mitt romney. mad with barack obama. i was mad with everybody. i told the pollster i was going to vote for roseanne barr who was for some reason on the florida ballot. venting through the polls. i think people are angry with dysfunction in washington. i think they're frustrated. i think they're worried about the state of the country. i think they're venting through these polls with donald trump. i've don't think it is going to last. the man has no beef. >> jeffrey, what about that? later in the interview. you will see it tonight. we are, we are two hours tonight. because there is so much from the interview. i try to get him to talk about specifics. specifically about, veterans', use, specifically about the -- what we could do against isis and some of the criticisms of what he said about that. do you believe there is meat on

on what he is what he is arguing? do you believe he does know policy issues? >> sure. one of the problems here which is why all of this is sort of surprising in the sense that there is this much attention. this is july 2015. we have months and months to go before we get to iowa. and new hampshire. all presidential campaigns evolve. i don't have off to tell paul this. i mean they eventually you're burdened down with briefings, and et cetera. this to be again candid about ronald reagan. this was said about ronald reagan. he didn't have specifics, details. that frankly went on when he was president. so i don't really see anything startling here. >> paul donald trump did not like when i referenced the swing state poll unfavorability ratings which i should point out hillary clinton did not do well in at all. they both have pretty big unfavorables in in that poll.

the only scenario where someone is favorables outweigh favorables is jeb bush in virginia. not like he is a loan with the problems. the numbers, how difficult is it for clinton and for trump to turn around those unfavorables. they're almost 2:1. >> not very. >> not very difficult. >> not very difficult. here's why. we are all most 500 days away from the election. none of the candidates have had the time to spell out in detal what they want to do.dd in the interview. he has a message. core message. world view. core message is i am going to make america great again. he need to fill in. i hope for his sake he does. same thing with hillary. gave a major speech on economy. she said this the most important thing for me as president is to increase incomes for the middle-class. period. most important thing. she will flesh that out with the minimum wage equal pay for women, earned paid leif for working folks. but that's the kind of stuff

that can come later. this fundamental character. i was struck you seem to catch him unaware, which is really rare for mr. trump. he has an answer for everything. when you asked him was it presidentialle? presidential? he shouldn't have said he will change his tone. he's not going to. didn't change his hair style from 1975 he will not change his nature. the voters for him they don't want him to change his nature. he is not moving up in the polls despite his incendiary comments. he is leading the polls because of them. he is what republicans want. >> anna do you think as president, a he would change his tone? to paul's point would that actually upset a lot of people who support him now. >> i am begging republican brethren if they need further proof of how destructive donald trump is all they have to do is listen to paul begala pretending he is a legitimate candidate and pumping him up. he is not what republicans want.

he's what paul begala and democrats want. >> leading republican polls? >> i told you. a lot is because he is tapping into very legitimate frustration that people have out he took after you like you were a republican candidate. sure hope heap does doesn't have your cell phone number. we will have to change numbers soon. >> that would be okay. >> mr. lord referring to ronald reagan in compares on to trump which i think frankly is a sacrilege, a republican because of the way reagan reached out, broadening the tent. also let's remember what was ronald reagan's 11th commandment, you shall not speak ill of another republican. >> anna -- jeffrey is saying is accurate though. i remember i was in college during the reagan years. people were attacking ronald reagan. he is an actor. he doesn't know policy. he is totally incompetent. you know there is a lot of

people. >> he was the governor of the largest state in the country. >> but you know people were saying that though? and you can make the are gauument argument, he has this company. >> he hires illegal aliens. it's not his fault. the bottom line. donald trump is a fraud. i think rick perry. >> oh no. oh no. >> link to his article on twitter. the republican party is full of people of faith. a guy who says he never asked for forgiveness. the republican party is full of people who are honored people. this is a guy who had five deferments. >> jeffrey, the faith comments to eric eriksson's point. do you think he hurt himself amongst evangelicals? >> no. no. he has a since of humor. for heaven's sakes. i think we need off to lighten of a little bit. in terms of some of the things we are talking about. talk to him about lobbyists.

there is jeb bush coming out with some sort of lobbying reform policy that's got all kind of holes in it. that makes no sense, would be terribly ineffective. this is in july. back in january, there he is sweeping through washington, d.c. lickke a vacuum cleaner, asking for $5,000. personal contributions, raise $50,000 each for them. he has no intention of reforming lobbyists. that's the difference here. >> jeffrey more paul thank you, anna as well. donald trump on what sets him apart, he believes from his opponents. >> look you asked me a question. i give you an answer. it is very simple. i am a very smart person. i want to the best school. i am a very smart person. so you ask me a question. i give you an answer. i don't need pollsters like bush and all these other people. they dent anson't answer a question. hillary can't give you an answer without going back and checking it out. remember passwords. or obsess about security.

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selling proposition, what makes him different in the eyes of not just pundits but especially of voters. take a look. when you are on the debate stage. one of the things i think they will hit you with. your opponents will hit you with not the media your opponents. they will say you flip-flopped. decisive guy in business the you have been independent. unaffiliated. democrat. republican. back and forth. what's up with that? are you a flip-flopper? >> a man named my favorite ronald reagan. a democrat. he became a republican. >> you were unaffiliated. independent. pro-choice now you are not. >> excuse me. if you look at the clip. i hate the concept of abortion. and it was never, i am a businessman. talking to me as a businessman about things like abortion. nobody ever even asked me questions like that. but if you look at that clip and let it run, i talk about how i hate the concept. i went on forever about it. but nobody would ask me questions. you know sort of like a question. i build buildings, don't ask moo

am i pro-choice pro-life what am i? but, yeah i don't use the word flip. i evolved on a lot of different things. >> the difference between you and every political candidate i ever tackedlked about. you talk extemporaneously your critics say you don't note issue use enough. >> i noter use better than anybody nose.knows. politicians are controlled. and people enjoy their personal interaction. we have gone over the time you said you wanted. nobody has said wrap it up. he has to go. i think that's all to your credit and deserves to be pointed out. >> look you ask me a question. i give you an answer. i'm a very smart person. i want to the best school. i am a very smart person. let me just say, so you ask me a question. i give you an answer. i don't need pollsters like bush and all these people. they dent answer a question. hillary, she can't give you an answer without going back and checking it out.

i am much richer than almost anybody. i can have thousand of pollsters. i didn't have any. i've don't want to waste the money. >> back with jeffrey lord publisher of bloomberg view tim o'brien, tim written the book on trump nation the art of being the donald. you have had a unique history with him. you -- he alleges you underestimated his net worth. he sued you. that suit was dismissed correct? >> it was. he has had a long history of bouncing his net worth from very lows to the very highs. i did some reporting to try to pin that down. he is always all over the map. he felt that the number that my reporting turned up $150 million to $250 million in 2005. low balled his net worth, damage his reputation. we want to court. the suit was dismissed. we stood our ground. he apeed. it -- he appealed. we did a deposition during that time. >> i never met any body that is at whatever level of finance,

high level, or talks about it as much as he does. does does it always been like that with him? >> it has always been like that. an amazing self promoter. more p.t. barnum than steve jobs. when some one is constantly talking how wealthy they are, how big they are, how successful they are. underlying it is a lot of insecurity. i think that's what propels some of this. >> is his business a lot different than people realize? >> completely different. the media so far has been complicit in this sort of helium loft that he is enjoying because. the reality is he is not the biggest real estate developer in manhattan. there are people like jerry spire, donald is not even in that class. he made a hash of the casino companies. you know he has. >> he says he pulled out of atlantic city just at the right time? >> atlantic city he could have made so much more of those properties in atlantic city when he controlled them at a time when atlantic city was rolling in dough. he didn't.

>> lot don't realize this. he licensed correct me if i am wrong. he licenses his name to buildings all around the world. that is a big part of his business. >> big part of his business. he gets a fee for doing that. that doesn't mean he owes the building. trump international at columbus circle is not owned by donald. >> if his name is on a building doesn't mean he owns it. >> correct. that's correct. correct. >> jeffrey, a lot of people like that donald trump is so wealthy. don't know if it is an aspirational thing, i don't know if it means that they believe he is above special interests. they like the fact. >> a combination. >> his brashness. go ahead. >> yes, a combination of the two. you know when he talks about the american dream, or making america rich again, you know, the american people historically have wanted to better themselves. the oldest story in america is about how parents want to build

a better world so their children can do better than they do. that's very aspirational. donald trump has done a lot better than his father did. his father did a lot better than his father a german immigrant. so i think he really touches a nerve. they look at him and seat success. to be candid. i think they see themselves. >> i would take issue with the notion he has done a lot better than his father did. fred trump was an authentic entrepreneur. he built a substantial body of real estate holdings in the outer boroughs in new york which donald inherited. that money kept donald aloft during period when he would crash and burn. donald was not and has never been the entrepreneur that fred was. he was a much better self promoter than fred. but i would really take issue with the idea. >> the difference -- the difference, tim i think is you know my family comes from new york. and there is a huge difference between doing real estate in brooklyn and queens and doing it big time in manhattan.

>> jeffrey that is what i would point out. >> in manhattan he hasn't done it big time in the same league as the tischmans, the spiers the dursts. >> comparing him to his father we were comparing him to his father? >> what he has done in manhattan doesn't come par topare to what his father did in queens. >> tim, where do you see this going? he will not want to enter the race release his financial. he did. he entered the race. do you believe he is in it to win it or as long as he can? >> i think he is in this the reason he is in it he loves the attention. i think he has no intention of leaving. i think the idea of the media waiting for him to find an off ramp and leave.caucuses are in january. small in iowa new hampshire, he doesn't need to win delegates. >> jeffrey you believe he is in this to win? >> yes, i do. yes, i do.

i mean why go through this? the notion that -- he is famous. he is internationally famous. you didn't have to in his case he doesn't have to run for president to be any mr.ore famous. he is in it. he is in it because he enjoys the attention. he has done it twice before. >> jeffrey, you would acknowledge him this brought a level of attention globally that he probably has not had before. there is a level of interest in him, you know there has always been interest in him, definitely heightened level. got to leave it there. jeffrey lord. tim o'brien. fascinating stuff. ahead. breaking news. by the way more on from temperature the next hour. breaking news in the sandra bland case. newly released document reveals she tried to kill herself last year. the holding facility. jail she was isn't to knew that because she told them. there is new outrage over the

traffic stop that landed her in jail where she died three days later. the officer who arrested her now under criminal investigation. i also talked to donald trump about this case and what he thinks of how the officer treated her. more on that ahead. >> heap just looked very aggressive. i didn't like his demeanor. i thought it was terrible to be honest with you. i am a huge fan of the police. the police have to be given back power. this guy was overly aggressive. tear blowrribly aggressive.

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breaking news in the sandra bland case. according to the sheriff, ms. bland told jail officials as he was being booked she previously fried to kill herself. three days later, ms. bland was found dead in her cell. authority say she hanged herself. the district attorney as we reported is treating her death as a murder investigation. just before we went on air last night. authorities release a dash-cam video of the traffic stop that ended with bland in handcuffs. in my interview with donald trump today, i asked him about that stop. sandra bland, an african-american woman was

pulled over in texas. i will not ask you specifics. pulled over for allegedly not turning signals. to african-americans in this country. a lot of people believe they're treated differently by police do you believe that? there is a problem with that? >> i hope not. but i will fell you,tell you i saw the clip on your show. by the way. i thought it was terrible. so aggressive. traffic signal as the i understand it. who gets out of a car for a traffic signal? i haven't been pulled over in a while actually. seriously. he just looked very aggressive. i didn't like his demeanor. i thought it was terrible to be honest. i am a huge fan of the police. i think the police have to be given back power. but this guy was overly aggressive. tear blow aggressrribly aggressive. >> do you think that happens to african-americans more than it does to you or i? >> i hope it doesn't but it might. i have a great relationship with

african-americans as you possibly have heard i have great respect for them. and they like me. i like them t the answer is it possibly does it shouldn't. and it is very sad. if the case is. in this case i watched that so closely. watched it a few times. he was terrible. >> glitches in the video released last night raise question as but whether it had been edited. authorities said there were technical problems when they uploaded the dash cam video. today they released a corrected version. 3:00 shorter than the original. tonight the question of how exactly sandra bland died is still very much a mystery. short time ago, officials released the tin intake screening for ms. bland. >> reporter: official documents show when sandra bland arrived at the county jail she told jail staff she previously tried committing suicide. jail intake forms released to cnn show that bland said she tried commit suicide in 2014

after losing a baby. the sheriff says the investigation shows no foul play and that all of the evidence points to bland taking her own life. >> there is absolutely no doubt in my mind. now, as i stated yesterday, i eagerly, i want the texas ranger to do the investigation, i want the fbi monitoring the investigation. i want the district attorney independent. >> reporter: despite public statements. the family contests the claim that bland was depressed. >> i can tell you that we take issue with the notion that she was suffering from depression. sunny wiz never she was never a -- diagnosed as the family understand. everybody has hills and valleys. there was no medication we were aware of she was taking to address epilepsy or depression. >> reporter: on ore hen own facebook post earlier this year sandra bland addressed the issue. >> i am suffering from something

that some of you may all be dealing with right now. it is a little bit of depression as well as ptsd. >> she says i am struggling with some things. but i am anchored in god. i want you to know no matter what you look like no matter what part of life you come from i come before you to say, we're dealing with an issue. you may have. which to me is just courageous. >> this intense dash-cam video shows the part of what took place during the traffic stop of sandra bland. adding more fuel to the pointed questions from her loved ones. >> step out i will remove you. the trooper now on paid leave. the family says the force used was excessive. especially for being charged with an improper lane change. >> i simply feel like the officer was picking on her. point-blank, period. i prnlly thin lypersonally think that is petty. >> get out of the car now! >> why am i being apprehended?

>> in his report, the trooper writes sandra bland was arrest for assault on a public servant. bland began swinging at him with elbows after she was removed from the car. which is not captured on video. but a cell phone did pick up part of the exchange that was caught off the dash camera. >> you just slammed my head into the ground. >> investigators are trying to gain access to sandra bland's cell phone which may have captured parts of the arrest. >> i said the video was three minute shorter that was released once the glitches were fixed or taken out, why was it shorter if it was question of glitches in the first video? >> anderson a lot have that question. what we are told the video was looping. when they got it set up and straight. the loop was taken out. 3:00 was dissipated from that time. because of the way they fix the time line of the video. >> ryan young. appreciate the reporting on this continuing story. just ahead, we'll dig deeper on this story, on the breaking news

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more breaking news in the sandra bland case. just got an audio tape of a voice mail she left her friend. a call she made in jail the day after her arrest. the audio comes from affiliate ktrk. listen. >> hey, this is me. i'm -- i was just able to see the judge. >> so her arrest on july 10th frichlt day friday. that would have been a saturday. a day after her arrest. in addition as ryan young reported. a moment ago, just released jail intake document about a suicide attempt ms. blaine made last year she told them about.

evidence that the jail officials were aware she tried to kill herself in the past. authorities say that she hanged herself. and as ryan young reported the preliminary autopsy results are expected to show a massive amount of marijuana, a quote, is ms. bland's system and evidence of cutting, self mutilation on her arms. joining me now, or one arm. cnn law enforcement analyst, former detective, harry houk cnn analyst, sunny hostin forensic scientist professor lawrence kobolinski. the idea that she had, dr. kobolinski marijuana in her system. how long does that stay in the system? does that really madder?tter? >> really does not. a red herring. it would have mellowed her out. wouldn't have made her aggressive. we shouldn't focus attention on that. >> if she is having psychological issues and her family is saying she is not

taking any medication one might make an argument she was masking that with with narcotics? >> it could be. people who are depressed tend to take all kind of drugs to mask the depression. the fact that she was hurting herself, cutting herself, is is another indication that sunny was heading in the direction -- that she was heading in the direction of suf sideicide. cutting oneself is not suicidal. one is hurting oneself, punishing oneself, end up feeling guilty you end of more depressed. a pathway to suicide. >> the fact that ms. bland told authorities at the jail she attempted suicide in the past should she have been on a suicide watch? >> no question. she should have been on suicide watch. she shouldn't have been in an isolated cell alone. sheaf shouldn't have been in a cell that had a trash bag liner or anything that she could have toed to do harm to ser selfherself. there is so much liability

anderson. when you look at the dash-cam video. at this point i looked at it over a dozen times. it is very clear to me that there was no grounds for an arrest for this woman, and end up three days later dead. >> harry, it is interesting. the arrest affidavit states sunny was arrested for assault of public servant. but the officer told her that sunny was under arrest while she was still in the car well before any alleged assault could have occurred? >> when i read the report this afternoon. the fact is what was he arresting her for? she didn't commit the assault until after she was handcuffed on the side where we couldn't see. when he was pulling her out of the car, she asked, am i under arrest? he said yes, what's the charge? looking at the affidavit. i just see the assault. where is the summons. >> he was annoyed very early on from, from what he perceived her attitude to be. she clearly was angry, annoyed

as well for being pulled over. but what seemed to be the last straw for him was her smoking. he asked her to stop smoking. she said i'm in my car, i can smoke. that seemed to be the final straw for her? >> definitely appears that way. >> doctor for medical examiners what do you look for to make sure this was in fact a suicide? >> first of all you have to make sure a person in a cell could hang oneself. in other word was the ceiling at a certain level where she could stand on a cot and reach up there and put the plastic bag over this partition? >> people can hang themselves sitting down on a door knob. >> this was an example of a partial hanging. her feet were on the ground. and, most people that commit suicide in jail do it by hanging. the thing 'tisis most of the people are male caucasians. she's 28 female.

and black. some what different than what would expect. she showed a lot of signs she was suicidal. i agree totally with sunny. she should have been on suicide watch. nothing should have been in that cell. >> sunny, no matter what happened in that cell you got to keep coming back to what happened in the altercation with this officer that -- she says she pulled over because she felt the officer was speeding up behind her she wanted to get out of the way. he says she didn't use a turn change lane signal. but the fact that it escalated to an arrest -- >> it's remarkable. the officeren this case is the professional. he should be trained in de-escalation not escalation. really clear to me that once the traffic violation was concluded he could not lawfully detain her. telling an officer you will not put out your cigarette or extinguish your cigarette isn't ground for an arrest. when he asked her to get out of stepping out of the car. he don't have the right. she didn't have to get out of the car. >> he did have the right.

>> when he physically removed it you do not have the right to do that. no. that was unlawful. that was unlawful. you know that. >> harry, why do you believe he had the right to do that? >> because once you are stopped. an officer can, can articulate the fact that i got her out of the vehicle because of maybe for my own safety or wanted to write the summons. this probably wasn't -- >> that's why it wasn't lawful. you know that's true harry. >> you know that counselor you. know that you must comply with the police officer's wishes. >> he did not -- >> you must still comply. >> you are saying you don't have to comply. >> he did not fear for his safety. he had no lawful reason for asking her to get out of the car. he physically got her out of the car. that was unlawful. he said he was giving her a lawful order. he wasn't. when he arrested her, said she was under arrest. didn't give reason for her arrest. all of that. >> you agreed last night. >> all of that is against protocol. >> did you not? >> that is why the dps said that

he did not follow the protocol because everything about that arrest was unlawful and you know it. >> protocol. >> and you know it. >> totally different. >> we got to continue this in the next hour. we will have more in the next hour. sunny, doctor harry houk. thank you. >> coming up another live hour more of my interview with donald trump and what he told me about his upcoming trip to the u.s./mix mix boredu.s./ u.s./mexico border and john mccain's mccain. want to frytry to pin down donald trump on policy use relating to veterans. does he have the answers? find out ahead. ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek.