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but it takes 385 days for this planet to orbit its star similar to our 365-day orbit around the sun. since it's some 6 billion years old, it's's had plenty of time to brew life. that it for "the lead." turning you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." \s happening now, america's biggest threat. the head of the fbi says isis has surpassed al qaeda, and now poses the greatest terrorism danger in the united states. i talk exclusively with james comey about the growing menace. more firepower, the defense secretary makes a surprise gift to iraq and says u.s. troops may have to soon take on a bigger role. how much u.s. involvement increase and whether? border wars donald trump travels to the u.s./mexico border bringing more controversy with him. could the republican
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presidential candidate mix up the race as a potential third-party candidate. policy violation, texas officials say guards failed to do timely checks on sandra bland's sfrp check. new autopsy results shed new light on this very mysterious case. i'm wolf blitzer you're in "the situation room." it's brutal and ruth less tactics have horrified the world. it's drawn the u.s. and its allies into a new war. now the head of the fbi says eye says poses a bigger terror threat to the united states than al qaeda whose 9/11 attack changed everything. you're about to see mire exclusive interview with james comey and his disturbing assessment of the danger we now all face. we're also following republican candidate donald trump, moving hi spotlight to the u.s./mexico border and
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igniting new no -- with controversial remarks and a threat of a third-party candidacy. we're covering all of that much more this hour with our correspondents and our guests including the chairman of the house homeland security committee, congressman mike mccall. brian todd has more on the eye says threat. what is the latest? >> tonight your interview with the fbi director is creating major buzz in national security circles. he's got a stark and disturbing new assessment of the isis threat inside the united states. this is illustrated by this photo of an isis sympathizer near the white house. he says isis is able to provoke attacks at a speed which the intelligence community is struggling to keep up with. they're young and tech savvy. isis is not your parents' al qaeda, the fbi director says and tonight he says he believes the group presents a bigger threat to the homeland than al
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qaeda. in an exclusive new interview, he paints a chilling picture of the growing isis threat. >> why is isis so powerful? >> they have adopted a model that takes advantage of social media in a way to crowdsource terrorism. they invested about the last year in pushing a message of poison primarily through twitter. >> reporter: u.s. officials and independent analysts tell us the fbi director is concerned, because isis is now using certain parts of twitter and other social media that are not in the open. isis operatives are moving to encrypted -- to recruit terrorists inspire or even direct attacks. >> below the water, that huge iceberg, up to 80 times percent above what's above the water, that's the deep web the part of the web that's not indexed. >> the attack on a contest in garland, texas, was believed to have been carried encrypted
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message says. those messages are nearly impossible to attack. isis tells anyone who will listen kill where you are. and isis is actively seeking, quote, troubled souls. >> isis targets people al qaeda would never have dealt with in the past people with troubled backgrounds. isis doesn't care about that one little bit. >> reporter: the result -- more isis followers and potential attackers. >> the investigators related to this threat all across the country, and there are hundreds of investigations, we're trying to understand where somebody is on the spectrum with a consumer of this poison to an actor who is about to murder innocent people and evaluate where are they in that spectrum? >> comey says they are looking at hundreds of potential terror suspects on that spectrum. analyst say the fact that the
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fbi director came out and publicly said isis is a more present danger to the u.s. than al qaeda is very significant. they say it means the game has changed radically since the days after 9/11 when al qaeda was the national obsession. u.s. officials have insisted they are struggling to keep up with the pace and the reach and the group's secrecy. >> a huge challenge, and also trying to monitor those loosely supportive of isis. >> a u.s. intelligence official recently told us there are strong concerns about a surge in the number of those loose isis sympathizers. they are struggling to identify what they call these active consumers. they say there may be several thousands of those, but again weeding the serious potential attackers out from the posers is very different, and you've got to look at everybody. it's really a monumental problem. >> a huge huge challenge.
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u.s. troops may soon be taking a bigger role. the defense secretary ash carter made a surprise visit to baghdad where he said the scale of u.s. involvement depends on what iraqi forces are able to do. let's go to barbara starr. i understand you're learning the u.s. and coalition forces may have access to a new base or new bases? >> reporter: this may be a significant step forward, wolf. we are being told by defense officials there is now a handshake agreement between the united states and turkey that for the first time u.s. and coalition war planes will be able to conduct air strikes from turkish bases. that has not happened before. if this military agreement is actually finalized, goes into force, it will give the u.s. a new platform from which to launch air strikes right into northern syria, the strong hold of isis. a real step forward in the campaign. defense secretary ash carter
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today traveling in iraq looking at the situation there, talking to officials, visiting with troops raising the specter that also in iraq as he has expressed concern about the ability of iraqi forces if they get better the u.s. may be called to do more to help them. have a listen to what he had to say. >> it's possible we'll need to do more have the opportunity in the sense, to do more when they get more proficient. obviously we're hoping that they do. more motivated, more proficiency, more able to carry on the fight themselves. then we and the rest of the coalition can help them more. >> reporter: the big test is coming because iraqi forces are beginning to be in the very initial stages of trying to take back that city of ramadi that the u.s. has sob critical carter has been so critical that they ran away from just a couple months ago. in the initials stages so how
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strong is the isis manpower on the other side of the equation? the latest u.s. intelligence assessments are that isis still can muster 20 to 30,000 troops in syria and iraq. that is actually down a bit, but still 20 to 30,000 troops. wolf? >> they are very, very motivated. all right, barbara, thanks very much. let's get more of my rare and exclusive interview with the fbi director james comey, we spoke at the aspen security forum in colorado. he calls isis by the alternate acronym isil and he says the threat is very real and urgent. >> what keeps you up at night? >> what keeps me up at night, probably these days the isil threat in the homeland and i worry very much about what i can't see. that's what keep me up at night. can you imagine a nationwide
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haystack we're trying to find needles in that haystack. a lot of them are invisible because of the way they're communicating, or they haven't touched a play where we can see them. >> is that now a bigger threat to the u.s. homeland than al qaeda? >> yes. the threat that isil presents poses to the united states is very different in kind type and degree than al qaeda. isil is not your parents' al qaeda. it's a very different model. >> why is isis so powerful? >> well they have adopted a model that takes advantage of social media in a way to crowdsource terrorism. they have invested about the last year in pushing a message, a poison primarily through twitter, but through other parts of social media, which is a siren song with two dimensions they are preaching through social media, to trouble souls, urging them to join their
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so-called caliphate in syria and iraq or if you can't join kill where you are, and twitter is a valuable enterprise because it works to sell shoes or sell ideas. it works to sell this message to troubled souls. with al qaeda, if you wanted to consume their propaganda you had to go find it somewhere on the web, read their magazine. if you want to talk to a terrorist, you may send an e-mail in to their magazine and hope that somebody answers you. isil that is changed that model entirely because isil is buzzing on your hip. right? that message is being pushed all day long and if you want to talk to a terrorist, they're right there on twitter direct messaging for you to communicate with. it's the reason we have these investigations all across the united states. that year of investment is producing a warped view of the world to people that isil is trying to reach, people that al qaeda would never use as an operative and isil also does something that -- they'll vet an
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operative by testing them. >> give them an assignment. go kill somebody. check out whether they are a real person. >> so when isis pushily puts out there on social media, if you can't come over to iraq and syria and fight with us go out there and kill u.s. military personnel or law enforcement officers, you take that seriously? >> very. >> what can you us about that? >> no much. >> the normal terms of inspired enabled blend together. they're pushing like a devil on somebody's shoulder saying kill kill kill all day long so figures out whether they were inspired directed or enabled is a waste of time in many cases. there are a numb number of
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people killing innocent people tied to the july 4th holiday, and thanks to great work not just by the fbi, by by our partners it was disrupted. >> that's why you've concluded now that isis represents the major threat to the u.s. homeland as far as terrorism is concerned? >> right. one of the reasons i say that is the sheer volume. again, i have investigations. the fbi investigations related to this threat all across the country, and there are hundreds of investigation we're trying to understand where somebody is on the spectrum between a consumer of this poison on twitter to an actor who is about to try to murder innocent people and evaluate where are they on that spectrum. we have hundreds of people we're looking at. the isil tweeters in syria have 21,000 english language followers, hundreds probably thousands, are in the united states. and the other challenge, is what we call the flash to bang is both shores and unpredictable
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with isil. that is often an operative will have an idea to do something, say on july 4th and wake up on june 2nd and say, i'm not waiting today is the day. which is poses an additional challenge. you think you have a pretty good appreciation of how many americans have actually gone over there and trained with isis? >> i think we have a reasonable idea. it's not a high confidence read because there's lots of ways to get to syria, but i think we have a pretty good sense. >> how many? >> i'll give you dozens of people have gone with isil -- to isil. again it's a hard phenomenon to track. they range in age from 18 to 62. >> what's the biggest stumbling block you have right now? we're talking about the encrypted communications. >> i would say one of two still bling blocks the first is the technological one. isil's m.o. is to broadcast on twitter, get people to follow
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them then move them to twitter direct messaging while they evaluate whether they're a potential to travel or kill where they are, and then they go dark to us. that's what i mean by the needle becoming invisible. we can with court authority get access to the twitter contacts but we don't have the ability to break strong encryption. if they move to the mobile messaging act, we lose them. >> what do you need legally in order to get access to that? as you know there's a big controversy, a lot of people who don't want their privacy, they don't want you to access that. >> we need what the fbi needs in all of our investigations with i want to lynn to that commune kit or intercept 9 content. we have to get court order. if it's sitting on a device we go to a judge for a search warrant. even with judicial orders which is at the core of our work we are unable to find out what people talk about when we demonstrate a probable cause to believe they are drifts.
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>> why is that? >> because of the nature of the encryption. we don't have the ability to break the strong encryption. the way the mobile messaging app has been designed stopses by vur tie of the design. it's end-to-end encrypted. without one of the key at the user end, you have no ability to intercept and look at that communication. >> do you have the the software manufacturers to allow some sort of key that would give you that kind of access once you get a court order? >> i don't know exactly. i can picture the end state we need. we need judges' orders to be complied with. now, how to figure that out lots of smart people tell me it's too hard. i don't buy that. i don't think we've tried hard enough yet. in we recognize we all share the same values i think smart people with figure out how to do it. we'll have more of the interview coming up shortly, but i want to get some reaction to what we just heard. the chairman of the house
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director that isis has surpassed al qaeda as the biggest terror threat to the homeland? >> i agree with director comey. i think isis is the greatest threat. now, they are the winning game in town. so in the radical islamist jihad world, you're seeing more and more recruits going to isis rather than al qaeda. as he talked about, this whole phenomenon over the internet you know this is not bin laden anymore. it's a very young sort of cybercommanders if you will out of raqqa, out of syria, sending these direct messages to primarily a lot of young people in the united states. thousands of followers, they're trying to activate as comey mentioned to attack to kill military installation and police officers. this is a very different threat and very difficult to stop it and track it all. >> they have a lot of money,
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isis. they stole a lot of gold and money from the banks in mosul and other towns they have taken over in iraq and syria. they can develop a lot of these encrypted software capability toss really go dark. >> i think the dark space is one of the biggest concerns on the part of counter terrorism officials right now. it enables the terrorist to communicate in darkness. i think comey did a good job of explaining how they jump into a direct messaging box and then go into platforms designed specifically to be secure. there's no way even if we have a lawful court order, to be able to access those communication. what is happening is the terrorists are communicating in darkness in the united states with individuals here in the united states and there's no ability on the part of law enforcement to track these communications. that's what keeps me up at night as well. >> he says these investigations in all 50 states not just in
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new york city or washington or los angeles, but all 50 states there are investigations the fbi is taking right now because of the this threat. is the biggest concern right now the lone individual threat from isis or some sort of cell some sort of organized capability to conduct a large-scale attempt? >> i think it's both. i think the traditional al qaeda was a long-term planning spectacular attack as you saul with the killing of the leader of the core ason group, but with these enter net directives it's basically designed to hit anybody that's vulnerable that they could prey on that could involve one person but could also involve a particular cell. we saw, you know individuals in new york for instance before the fourth of july. that plot was broken up busted. it can take all varieties and all forms, but again it's one
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case, the flags don't come up where the communication could happen in dark space. we don't know for instance if the individual in chattanooga was indicating in dark space with these people in syria or not. we certainly know that he was radicalized. >> may have been communicating with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, too. he was supposedly a devotee of anwar al awlaki who was killed in a drone strike in 2011. you heard bash ra starr, pentagon correspondent, report that potentially a very significant development -- turkey a major about-face may finally allow u.s. war planes to launch strikes from air bases -- or at least one air base inside turkey. give us your perspective about this. i assume you've been briefed. >> very significant development to get turkey to put some skin in the game. they've been turning a blind eye
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for a long time these foreign fighters going in to fight assad. they don't like him. he's a shia or sunni, but 20 of their diplomats gotten taken hostage, and then an isis bomber killing 30 people inside of turkey. i think that's a wake-up call for them that they need to join the fight. i believe there could be a coalition of these sunni arab nations to provide the ground force to fight isis. i've met with in command about this. this will allow air strike very close to raqqa, the headquarters of isis. >> the u.s. could use that lauj -- go from that base into syria, that would be a major development. it looks like it's about to
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a phone call that was recorded by a friend of sandra bland's when she reached ute to this friend we know she had been trying to get friends and family to call her back so she could post the $500 bond and that never happened. all of this a few hours ago, officials going into -- waller county excuse me going into greater detail and the real headline is they say there is no signs of any kind of struggle on the body of sandra bland, and that is one of the reasons why they continue to believe this case is simply a suicide. wolf?
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ed lavandera with the latest thank you. joining us in the "the situation room", mar more yell the former -- tom fuentes and former prosecutor sunny hosten. we have heard the d.a. cease the sheriff violated policy. what are the next steps in this very, very -- potential significant case. what are the next steps? >> i think certainly the d.a. has made it clear that most suspicious deaths are presented to the grand jury, and that he intended to present this case to the grand jury and so i think the investigation into her death will continue and culminate hopefully, if it's going according to protocol it would be presented to the grand jury. i also think during the press conference wolf he alluded to potential violations by this sheriff. perhaps we will see a criminal
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investigation into what this sheriff did, because in my view after reviewing this dash cam video at least a dozen times, it seems he had no reason to arrest sandra bland or to order her out of the car. so it seems to me a false arrest investigation would be appropriate here. >> we know the jail was failing to check, sunny, check in on the prisoners every 60 minutes or so which is the minimum standard. we know she did have a serious history of depression spoke about earlier -- spoke about suicide. should she have been put on some sort of watch? >> there's no question she should have been on a suicide watch, and should have been checked at least every 15 minutes. i have been speaking to law enforcement officials. i've been speaking to officers who have worked in prisons, and they have universally told me that given her history, given
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her self-admission that she had tried to commit sue i'd in 2014 by taking pills, there is simply no question that she should have been on suicide watch, should not have been isolated and moreover i think it's important to note in this exact county jail there was a suicide by an inmate in 2012. so there are violations all over the place by this particular jail and i think that has to be investigated as well. >> i want marc morial to weigh in. she got frustrated she refused to put out her cigarette, she spoke back to the police officer. obviously that's not excusing what happened by any sfts means but once again a revived debate over what people should do when they get pulled over. should they show their frustration? just do whatever the cops say? give us your analysis.
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>> well you know there's one thing about, in the perfect situation, how a person should operate. we're dealing with human beings. this wolf is a tragedy. a lane change on a barren street and you're stopped because, quote, you didn't what? use your turn indicator? the end result is that this woman dies in this jail. from the very beginning, and i think this reaffirms why the dash cams are so helpful in reconstructing actually what happened. we don't have a situation here where it's a police officer's word against a dead person's word. we can all see what happened. i think that the police officer exercised very poor judgment and ms. bland acted as a person would act, with a sense of frustration as to why she was in
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fact being stopped, and i think the police officer acted provocatively and unconstitutionally. he had no right to pull her out of that vehicle, he had no right to get irritated, because, quote, she may have quote, talked back or she was smoking a cigarette. so this tape needs to be shown. this is a learning experience. but for the family and -- it's a tragedy, because this woman is now dead and it's a chain of what i call constitution violations by the sheriff, and now we are learning that the jail processes and procedures may also have been offensive to the constitution in the sense of high statistics. >> let me get tom fuentes. you were the fbi assistant director and before that you were a beat cop. give us an analysis of what happened when she was pulled over for this traffic violation,
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but later what happened in jail. >> first of all, i think the traffic stop is it's clear this officer loses his temper, intended to issue a warning ticket and when she didn't put the cigarette out, he changed her mind and decided to arrest her. a series of events were mishandled by the police officer. yes, you know she was belligerent verbally with him, but it really is no excuse. you take that all the time. that's a daily occurrence for police officers. they have people argue with you or have a bad attitude. you just take it in stride do your job, if you're going to give a warning, give it and be on your way. he loses his temper no doubt about that. as far as the jail that investigation is ongoing, and we still need to see that investigation. it sure looks like the officials at that jail were negligent in not checking on her adequately or not putting her in a situation to be on a watch, to
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monitor her more quloely. that has to be examined for sure. >> stand by. let's take a quick break. much more on this and all the other day's important news, right after this. when you travel, we help you make all kinds of connections. connections you almost miss. and ones you never thought you'd make. we help connect where you are. to places you never thought you'd go. this, is why we travel. and why we continue to create new technology to connect you to the people and places that matter. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling burning or stinging, blisters, and
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the national urban lease president marc morias sunny hose continue and tom fuentes is with us as well. sunny, a friend of sandra bland's released a voice mail she left for her from her prison jail cell. i want you and our viewers to listen to this. >> i'm just doing this -- honestly about the whole process. switching lane with no signal turns, i don't eknow. but i'm still here so i guess, call me back when you can. >> so explain what's going on. a routine traffic stop she didn't use her signal to move from a lane all of a sudden she's in jail for three days. she can't post bail. was that the problem here? >> it seems to be that's what happened here because she was arrested on friday july 10th. we know she went in front of the
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judge on saturday july 11th and she is was given a $5,000 bond. typically that means you have to get together about $500. can you do that by going to a bail bondsman. my understanding after hearing her sister said that the family was aware they needed to come up with the bond and they were really working expeditiously to get that bond to her. we know on sunday she was there for another day. by monday morning she allegedly committed suicide. so i think the reason she was still there is because of the bond but i also think, when you listen to her, she's having feelings that any one of us would have how could this happen? how could it be that i get pulled over for a traffic violation, and i've been in prison for three days? on a $5,000 bond? she was actually charged with a felony for assaulting a public safety officer. so i think that many people wolf are surprised at the three
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days that she was there, based on this traffic stop but it is because she was charged with assault on a public safety officer, which is a felony. >> it certainly is. is there a built-in problem, marc that all of us should start working on? >> here's what you have. you have a police officer and an incident and you have an over-charging -- she's chargewood this felony when this essence, the true violation was a minor is it traffic violation, and she ends up with a $5,000 bond. this woman should probably have been released on her own recognizance. the idea of bail is simply to ensure that she will return for the proceedings that are going to take place, in fact if she is charged. so this sheds a light on multiple issues with the workings of the criminal justice system in this county just west of houston, texas.
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from the way in which the sheriffs operated to the way in which she was charged, to show she may have been treated and what the procedures or lack thereof were in the jail there. so this sheds a light into this larger conversation as to why we need this issue of reforming the criminal justice system in this nation has to be at the top of the agenda. the president and the attorney general and many members of congress on a bipartisan basis have raised it but this is about state, this is about county this is about local law enforcement. tom fuentes quickly button it up for us. your thought. >> i think an officer using bad judgment at the time bond was said the judge wasn't aware of it hasn't seen the videos and it's a serious charge but on the other hand the charge can't be abused police officers can't be bullies. we put this trust in them and
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u.s./mexico border. trump came away from his visit saying "you have to have a wall." cnn's dana bash saw it all unfold. she's ginning us now live from the border area in loredo. tell our viewers what happened. >> reporter: it was something to behold. i think that the best way to say it is that the political circus came did town here in lowernin loredo. donald trump knew about exactly what he was doing when it comes to the press and capturing what he wants to on cameras and that was a big part of the reason he came. i should say he started -- wanted to come here to have a tour given by the local border patrol agents. but they uninvited him when he was in the air coming down here because they said they didn't want to be seen as endorsing. he said that it was because they were petrified of their bosses on a bigger level. so it's unclear, wolf whether
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or not he actually had -- got information during this trip or whether it was really mostly to put the focus back on the issue that really has made him do well in the polls, especially with a certain sector of the republican electorate when it comes to immigration. but that whole issue that got him in trouble during his announcements, talking about rapists, criminals coming across the border that came up over and over with reporters here. listen to one example. >> what you said when you said people across the border are rapists and murderers -- >> no no we're talking about illegal immigration and everybody understanded it. you know what? that's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take [ applause ] they take half a sentence -- by the way, they take half a sentence then they take a quarter of a sentence they put it all together. it's a typical thing.
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and you're with telemundo and telemundo should be ashamed. you're finished. >> reporter: there were a lot of other questions that didn't really get answers, wolf including what his plan would be for the 11 million undocument immigrants already in this country. he seemed to be unclear whether he still wants to build that big wall across the entire border which he said he would get mexico to pay for. certainly -- he was accessible to the reporters but not sure we got a lot of answers, wolf. >> more on the story in the next hour dana thank you. coming up isis now the biggest terror threat facing the united states. in a rare and exclusive interview, the head of the fbi tells me why isis has now surpassed al qaeda.
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happening now. the number one terrorist threat the fbi director tells me he's now worried about the danger from isis than al qaeda. stand by for his unprecedented warning. more on my exclusive interview. >> isil is not your parents' al qaeda. it's currently the threat we're worrying about in the homeland most of all. senate republicans accuse secretary of state john kerry of being deceived by iran. is the administration stumbling in its attempt to sell congress on a nuclear deal? trump's threats. he visits the u.s./mexican border stirring new controversy on immigration and issuing a new challenge to the gop. is he seriously considering a third-party presidential bid? suicide ruling. a prosecutor reveals early autopsy results on sandra bland and her hanging death in
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