the 1972 blue marble image looks quite similar to this most recent beauty which makes it even more remarkable that the latest sunlit image was actually taken from one million miles away. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." ahead this hour as we count down to the first republican presidential debate two of the candidates are standing by one who will definitely be on the prime time debate stage and one who probably will not make it. plus i have a great story for you. a journalist fighting to break the media's trump addiction. later in the hour we'll look back at the popular polarizing pioneering jon stewart as he prepares to sign off from "the daily show." let's begin with the hillary clinton campaign calling out

"the new york times" for, quote, egraj egregious errors. the newspaper is reedsponding and promising clinton will be treated fairly. it's on the front page. bigger news. the headline here says "who would beau do?" joe biden is thinking about running for president against clinton. she says when biden's son beau was dying i'm et kwoquoting, he had a mission trying to make his father promise to run. that the country will be better off with biden values. this story is something of a bombshell. it's on the front page of other papers now as well. how is the clinton campaign reacting? jennifer palmieri joins me. she is the campaign's communications director and the author of the letter to the "times." i want to ask you about the letter and what the "times" is telling you about unfair coverage. first this biden news. there has been talk for months about maybe, possibly biden

entering the race. he has said he'll decide by the end of the summer. what do you make of this new development, all of this new attention? will it fundamentally change the race if he does enter the race? >> i don't know about the new attention. i had imagined this would be coming, that there would be more discussion about the vp in the news because he said he would be making his decision relatively soon. i have a great deal of love for vice president biden, a lot of respect. so do the clintons and everyone in the campaign. we'll let him make his decision and otherwise stay out of it. >> you know this better than anybody. is it too late for anybody else to enter the race? >> i don't know. the democrat side is dynamic. so it -- you know you have a lot of early states up. i don't know that it's -- i'll let them decide that. >> it's not too late you're saying? >> i'm saying i'll let the vice president decide if he thinks the timing is right or not. >> a lot of the chatter in the

last few hours on all of the sunday morning shows today, has been that if democrats were absolutely confident about clinton's chances, then there wouldn't be a chance biden would be talking about running. does this suggest that there is discomfort and uncertainty in the democratic party about your candidate? >> i have been in politics a long time and i don't feel that level of -- i certainly don't feel that level of discomfort. i don't see a lot of evidence of it. i see hillary clinton leading, beating every republican in most national polls, the vast majority of national polls. i understand when you are the frontrunner you get a lot of attention and people look to see -- they gauge polls in other ways as opposed to the fundamental question is she winning or not. we're looking at the fundamental question is she winning or not. we have a lot of campaign still to run. we're just getting started. to prove to people she is someone they can count on to fight for them. in the coverage it gets lost. she has the most money, and she is beating every republican in

most of the polls. so you can't really ask for much more than that. >> there has been a lot of talk lately about drooping poll numbers. donald trump likes to mock clinton for having losing poll numbers but she is winning in all the categories. and in head-to-head matchups against people like jeb bush. >> and beating donald trump. >> we know dowd is not a fan of clinton. here is something she wrote this morning. many democrats fret she seems for impatient than hungry more cautious than charismatic. do you agree with that assessment of your candidate? >> no. i believe candidates succeed when you let them get the sort of foundation under them about understanding how they want to run their campaign how they want to communicate with voters. >> be themselves you're saying. >> just be themselves. starting this campaign that was what was important for us for hillary to be able to do. for her, that meant trying to ramp up to some agreedegree and

starting with small groups of voters. i understood at the beginning of the campaign that would -- that there was going to be -- we were going to have no runway in terms of press coverage. it was going to be extraordinary amounts of interest and scrutiny. that meant every decision we made would be really overanalyzed. we tried to allow for that to some degree but you can't let it dictate your campaign. she has gotten a good base under her. she's been able to talk one on one with voters for months. we're expanding the campaign in terms of sides of the events and engagement with the press. i think we see a really -- a candidate that's having a good time out there now and feels like she has a strong base under her. that is -- we took water on at the beginning of the campaign with the press. >> what do you mean? >> we took water on at the beginning of the campaign with the press for not having her engage as much with the national

press. >> for not doing as many interviews as we would like. >> right. i knew that was going to happen but it was -- we have to take the long view and make sure that we're starting this campaign the way that she wants to and that she's able to engage with -- she has thought a lot about how she wants to engage with voters. she has thought a lot about the relationship you have with a candidate and now we're expanding out. >> she has been on the trail for months. if there is nervousness about the biden news i am not hearing any from you. >> no. like i said we'll let him make his decision. however hard it is to secure a democratic nomination is however hard it is. we have no illusions. there are a lot of views in the democratic party. we'll be prepared to handle whatever comes our way. i know it's going to be a long haul. >> looking at the calendar august 2nd 2015 not '16. i want to catch viewers up to speed. ten days ago the "times"

reported that clinton was the subject of two criminal referrals over her use of a private email server while serving as secretary of state. the story landed like a bombshell. it sounded like a bombshell. within hours the "times" was back pedaling. pirs first the paper removed clinton as the subject of the probe and removed criminal out of the story there. you decided to go on the offensive. tuesday you wrote a letter to the times' executive editor 2,000 words long showing all the mistakes made calling them a egregious egregious. thursday you made the letter public because they declined to print it? >> going back to why we felt the need to do this. we had been in discussions with editors and reporters covering the story in realtime and wanted to see how the "times" handled it in terms of corrections and the public editor and felt that we still needed to be on the record for a few reasons. one is just this was so

egregious in terms of the impact that it had in press coverage to suggest the democratic frontrunner for president is the subject of a criminal inquiry is something that can't be unwound. and felt that we had to -- in defending my candidate and doing my job i needed to be on the record doing that. the second thing is that the -- it took them not just a long time to correct it but it took them a really long -- indefensible time to get rid of "criminal" in the headline and in the lead. it made no sense to us. >> it wasn't until saturday. the story came out thursday night. took a long time to take the word out of the headline. donald trump is now using the word against your candidate. >> this is true not just of the "times" but in the digital age i think the press has a view where there is an inclination to think i want to be fast and if it's wrong i can fix it online later. and that's just so dangerous.

what we find and i have had a lot of experience with this in not just this job but in working for president obama, the detag rigation of media sources meaning any story with a sensational headline penetrates in a way that over coverage won't do. i just think -- i'm sure this headline you know probably made it on facebook pages, in addition to having a lot of penetration in print and television and that it's all the more important that people take a step back and make sure that they have it right before they put something on. even if you can correct it you can never undo what the first headline was. >> there is no undo button. did you expect this letter to be published by the "times"? >> i hadn't necessarily thought it when i wrote it. we wanted to write it in discussing with them the situation, we did ask that they would publish it. they thought about it for a

couple of days and decided not to do it. i would note that's not the editor's decision. this was an editorial page decision. >> he calls it a screwup. he has pretty strong language about the story. >> he has said that in other things he's written about the story. >> are you satisfied? >> we -- we just want it to be on record to explain why this -- how this happened also the -- how we were not given time to respond, not that we really could have responded because there wasn't any inquiry. >> we should talk about this. the idea is that you weren't given enough time to react. you say you heard about the word "criminal" at 8:36 p.m., tried to respond by 10:30 and the report was on by 11:00. >> that's unusual. more usual thatn i would like but

i thought it was important for people to understand too, that when you're making a charge of that magnitude against a democratic frontrunner, understanding the impact that will have. that's a problem. and there is a problem with sourcing and not -- the "times" didn't have the inquiry. their source -- the original source had not seen the inquiry. >> was it a good job by republican sources? >> it's certainly a hit job by somebody with a political agenda. that seems likely that it comings from that side. obviously we don't know. this isn't the -- this isn't the first time there have been selective leaks from -- regarding documents that people on capitol hill have access to. so there does seem to be certainly a political agenda probably a partisan agenda and's all the more reason to look at these things. >> does the "times" have an agenda against hillary clinton.

some said the "times" viewed her as secretive, even corrupt or sleazy and seems to be more aggressive covering her than other candidates. do you agree? >> no. that's not my point. my point is they should be getting it right. >> in this case they did not. >> they did not. they certainly admit they did not. but because of how not just for the "times" but for all papers and news outlets and how fast the headlines spread and understanding the extraordinary amount of interest in hillary clinton, we really wanted to -- we just felt like we had to pause and say this is really egregious. here is how this happened. and hope that it doesn't happen not just with the "times" in the future but other outlets too. >> i think you're sending a message to the press and trying to say to other news outlets, tread carefully and make sure you have your facts right before you come at this campaign. >> the other thing we hope gets out is for consumers of news to

understand how, you know, to see behind the scenes a little bit how the sausage is made and maybe that they should have -- you know to be looking at stories with a critical eye too. >> if the "times" calls as i'm sure they have already, actually and asked for an interview with clinton, what would you say? will she be available? >> we certainly would not, you know -- on tuesday the first day that hillary clinton was out in front of the press after the stories had run, we -- called amy from the "times," engaged with them multiple times throughout the day, regularly. we're not harboring any resentment on our part. we're having it wanting to work well going forward. >> will she be doing for television interviews? she did one with cnn's brianna keilar keilar? will she be doing more? >> my top priority is local media and then there are the people who cover her every day.

this is -- i think you've seen that she does media avails most days that she travels. brianna covers her, so we'll focus on those correspondents first. we'll branch out from there. that's what she did in the 2000 senate race was really get to know the people who covered her, spend a lot of time with them let them be our main connedduit to the national media. >> there haven't been that many complaints about your access to the media. there is not a lot of noise about media grievances. in the past there has been. it seems like you're having a smoother experience with the press so far. >> it didn't feel that way in the beginning necessarily, but it is -- it's a work in progress. i think it is a big priority to me that we have a good relationship with the press. what is our fundamental priority is making sure that the campaign is operating the way it needs to and that we're allowing the press in on top of that and

we're trying to get to -- we still have a lot more work to do to get our relationship with the press where i would like it to be but we're making progress. >> going back to work now, today, on a sunday? >> yes. >> thanks for being here. >> it was a pleasure. the journalist's perspective. the legendary journalist carl bernstein standing by with reaction. he says the "times" story was a travesty. the gop debate a trump show? next. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?

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welcome back. we just heard from the clinton campaign about what they call an egraj egregious error by the new york times. this is what they do. they try to discourage bad press. the new york times own public editor their ombudsman weighed in this morning. she said by rushing to rush the public the scoop the times failed to make sure the story was correct. precisely when it's most loyal readers count on. want to hear what carl bernstein has to say about this. he is now a cnn commentator and author of "the woman in charge the life of hillary rodham clinton." >> this was an egregious error. it was a travesty an institutional failure of the

kind we rarely see. hopefully we won't see it again. i do think it's time to move on and look at the larger problems of covering hillary clinton, covering this campaign because the "times," rightly, has been very aggressive in covering hillary clinton because of the nature of the story and who she is but it also needs more context in its coverage. woo he all need more context in our coverage of hillary clinton, partly because so much of the story is about her and the clintons' enemies. we need more context also about the bush campaign. both the bush campaign and the clinton campaign are really run by family retainers and machines and the families themselves they're a kind of story we've never had before. and we need to look at a different way to cover them. >> you saw the letter that jennifer palmieri sent to the "times," very unusual move by the campaign. are they not trying to put

pressure on the entire news media to be very careful when covering this email scandal, to be very careful about it to maybe avoid doing it? aren't they sort of trying to work the refs here? >> first of all, the clinton campaign and hillary clinton regards generally speaking the press as the enemy. and the permanent enemy. hillary, as i say in my book has had a difficult relationship to the truth in her public life but it's much more complicated than just saying she doesn't tell the truth or she ob few obfuscates. it has to be seen in context, particularly the context of the enemies, the story of her life. but this is a war. and the from press fights back. and sometimes the press fights back not very intelligently. we need for instance to be covering the mechanics of the campaign. we need to be covering the press in the campaign better. because the press is an

essential element of it. i want to get back to bush and hillary. he really is along with donald trump, the likely frontrunner here. he deserves more coverage and hillary deserves more coverage than the other candidates. and they both deserve greater examination, along with donald trump. we need to look at everything we know about them and we can't get cowed into dropping back because the candidates are going to accuse of us bias or one thing or another. we also have to do much better than we're doing. also hillary clinton is probably the toughest story out there to cover. >> the toughest story? why so? >> because there are so many elements to her, to how long she has been part of the public consciousness, because of the foundation, which is the clinton

foundation which is now the hillary clinton, chelsea and bill clinton foundation, of which she is a part and figures in this story very prominently because the email story is very complicated. for instance imagine if her enemies had those congressional enemies, the republicans who chair those committees had access to a state department server with her emails what they would do with those emails. now, she is not going to say that out loud. but we need to have more realism about the dynamic of what this campaign is the history of the clintons the cultural warfare that goes with it. and also the fact that she and her poll numbers that have to do with distrust are a disaster for her campaign and they don't come out of nowhere. she would blame the press. but it has much more to do with her own way of conducting a

campaign of conducting her public life and trying to hide aspects of it. and it's been frustrating for the press. but the press also shouldn't cry so much. it just needs to go on and do its job, but it needs, as i say, much more context and context really is what the best obtainable version of the truth is about. that's what good reporting is and fairness comes from context. has the press been unfair to hillary clinton? sometimes, yes. at the same time has she gotten somewhat of a free ride because the press fails to look at something in context? yes. so my message is let's get back to work and do it better and also the clinton campaign i think, would do well to open itself up more to access from the press.

i think it's always been a mistake around hillary. and it's worked to her detriment in the past. i suspect it's going to continue to work to her detriment. but i don't see any signs of that happening. they want to manage this as best they can, and the same is true with the bush campaign incidentally. the bush presidency certainly was not one of transparency and openness and we, again, have to look at the family machines as we go through this campaign and we've got to look at trump now in a way that we've never looked at him. partly because the name of his game has always been to make monkeys out of the press. and he's better at it than almost anybody. >> monkeys out of the press. i like that. we're talking about trump coming up here. carl thank you for being here this morning. i appreciate it. >> good to be here. the "times" has mostly declined to comment on what the editor calls a screwup. he did tell the ombudsman for

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welcome back. the first republican presidential primary debate is four days away yet we still don't know what polls fox news will be using to decide who is on the main stage. the top ten candidates will get invited to the prime-time debate on thursday. there is an afternoon debate for the rest. sort of a consolation prize. if the debate were held today here is what cnn's poll of polls

show. these ten candidates would be on the stage. we're hering more criticism of the debate criticism. he is polling pretty well. he is concerned about his rivals whose voices won't be heard as loudly. he's joining me now to talk about this. >> dr. carson thanks for being here. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> tell me what it's like to be a candidate in the days leading up to the first debate. are you checking and rechecking the polls every day, making sure you're still in the top ten that will be invited to the prime-time debate on thursday? >> i have plenty of people who are doing that so i don't have to do it quite frankly. you know i'm -- i'm not obsessing over it excessively. everybody tells me you're going to be there, so not to worry about it. >> looks like in cnn poll of polls has you with 5% support, firmly in the middle of the pack. i wonder how you feel about the

debate criteria that suggests six or seven of your competitors will not be invited to the prime-time debate. >> i am on record as wishing that perhaps more thought could be put into ways to include everybody. you know i just don't see why everybody can't be provided an equal platform on which to explain their vision for america. >> you would rather see a debate stage of 16 or 17 podiums? >> what i would -- if i were charge i would probably break it into two days and put half the candidates on one day and half on the other day and i would randomly select who was in each day. >> i wonder if you think it's fair that a sitting governor is likely to be excluded. were chris christie or john kasich or rick perry. one of them likely to not be on stage with you on thursday. >> well it would be as i said very nice to be able to hear everybody. and fortunately, there are other mechanisms to get heard.

you know i have taken advantage of social media to a very significant degree. >> i wanted to play this video you produced this week with ij review this operation video. such an unusual thing to see from a presidential candidate. i am guessing the thinking behind it was it's a non-traditional way to reach people who might not otherwise see you. >> absolutely. >> did they come to you and ask you to do this? how did it come about? >> yeah. they said, this is going to be fun. would you mind doing this. believe it or not, i actually do have a sense of humor. i think it's good to see other parts of people. maybe one day they'll demonstrate me playing pool. >> let me ask you about the state of the race. i am a fellow marylander. i know your resumé well. you would be the outsider in this race. donald trump has kind of taken up that identity. he is getting so much cable news attention. do you feel your numbers are being deflated by trump's surge in the race?

>> whether they are or not, i think it's irrelevant. this is a marathon and not a sprint. numbers are going to go up and down. things are going to change with time. and particularly as people have an opportunity to delve not only into people's pasts but into their solutions for the future. as it gets more serious, that's the time when we should pay more closer attention to the numbers. >> shaun pieser of the rnc said no more name-calling. trump has been insulting some of your rivals on the campaign trail. do you agree with the no name calling, invoking reagan's 11th commandment? >> that's certainly my philosophy. i don't engage in that. because the problems that we face as a nation are so severe there are several things that really threaten to destroy us. and if we get distracted with

you know third-grade playground tactics, then we're going to get third-grade playground results. this is a serious time. >> i bring that up because i have a feeling, with trump at the center of the debate stage you're going to be on that it's going to affect the whole debate if he is insulting people or using third-grade tactics, as you said. >> i actually think that donald trump is not going to be nearly as wild as people think he is. he's a reasonable guy. he is not going to try to outtalk everybody else. that's my prediction. i don't think he'll try to do it. >> we'll see on thursday. let me show a poll statistic that i thought was very revealing. it shows that 53% of registered voters don't know who you are. to me that suggests this fox debate is incredibly important for you because it's a chance to reintroduce yourself to people who otherwise don't know who you are. what do you want to say to those people who haven't heard of you before or don't know what you

stand for? >> i would say listen carefully because you need to get to hear what i have to say as opposed to what other people have said that i say. i find it pretty amazing, you know for instance there are people who say, carson thinks all welfare programs should be withdrawn and all safety nets. even though he perhaps benefited from those things. where do they get this crap from? at least people will have an opportunity to hear from me specifically what i think and how i think we ought to fix the system so that people have the opportunity to climb up from a state of dependency and become part of the fabric that made america into a strong country. >> you asked, where do they get this stuff from? where do they get it from? what's your impression? is it the internet age where anything googleable is out there even if it's not true? >> i believe that certain people have a narrative. and people like me who grew up

in dire poverty, without much in the way of sustenance are not supposed to be able to make it without a lot of assistance from other people. and so they don't want that narrative out there. and they're going to fight it with every fiber they have of the but the fact of the matter is america is a can-do nation. we rose from nothing to the pinnacle of the world faster than anyone else and to a higher pinnacle than anyone else has gotten. we have to bring back some of those principles. those principles include hard work personal responsibility and compassion for your fellow man. >> dr. carson thank you for being here this morning. i appreciate it. >> it has been a pleasure. thank you. now, so that's the view of a candidate who will be on the prime-time debate stage on thursday. what's it like for those who won't make the cut? former virginia governor jim gilmore is in that camp. he is standing by in richmond. we'll go there live right after this.

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welcome back. welcome back to the debate about the debates. because of course the first gop primary debate is this thursday and the candidates that don't make the cut for the prime-time stage will be invited to an afternoon event. one candidate that's in that situation is former virginia governor jim gilmore. he is the latest republican to enter the field, and he joins me now from richmond virginia. governor thanks for being here. >> thank you, brian. >> you just entered the race a couple days ago. will you be at the afternoon debate this thursday? do you know how this is going to work? >> well if i am invited by fox, then i will probably go to cleveland and participate to the extent that i am permitted. but the fact is that this limitation by the rnc is improper. rnc should never have put themselves in that kind of position. that's not their job and not their role. they shouldn't be doing that. the decision about who is going to be president of the united states doesn't belong with a

washington establishment or the news media and certainly not with the rnc. it belongs with the people of the united states and every candidate ought to have a chance to give their views to the people of this country. >> you used to be a chairman of the rnc, so you have personal feelings about this. you're saying it's improper. but what would you have done differently? how else could it have gone? >> it could have been done any number of ways. you could have done two sessions a random pick, and every candidate could have had the opportunity to get their views out. the most important matter is not to talk to you, brian, about the process. it's to talk to you about what we're going to do for the people of the united states. the country is in decline. i have the credentials and the experience to reverse that decline and to focus on the challenges that we face in our national security which is very much in danger and the economy of this country where people are not working anywhere near to the extent that they need to be. >> some people suggest that actually the afternoon debate will be a better forum for those kinds of conversations. fewer people and there won't be

a guy named donald trump on stage. >> all i care about is getting my ideas out there for the people of the united states. we need to have a more vigorous economy. too many people right now want jobs and can't get them. too many people are working part-time that want full-time jobs. too many young people want to start careers. it's dangerous for the national security of this country when you have a declining economy like this. we have to focus on the national security of this country. the threats from russia from iran from china, from the dissolution of the middle east. from isis. these are the challenges that have to be faced, and i think i am entitled to offer my credentials, experience and the ideas i have for this country but probably won't be in the first group that they want to try to limit the debate to. >> rupert murdoch weighed in this morning on twitter and said thursday's debate is -- fox's thursday debate is vital for all

candidates. >> they have begun to reach out to me and i'm pretty happy about that. i'm not going to second-guess what they want to do. it's up to them to issue the appropriate invitations. i'm i'm saddened that the people of the united states will not get to see some of the additional ideas that i can offer because i'm focused on what's wrong with the country. >> they say viewers will be able to see it but at 5:00 p.m. instead of 9:00. cnn is doing something similar in september. they'll both be on in prime time but there will still be a division. >> maybe there will be an opportunity with cnn to address the decline of this country and what we need to do to reverse that decline. but that's the key. the key is not to worry about the debate -- who is on -- you know what the rnc or somebody like that is picking. it's the concerns that face the country today. it's the decline of this country that's been caused by the obama/clinton policies that need

to be completely aired out. it's the solutions that i can offer with the experience that i have had as a united states army veteran, as a person who chaired the national commission on terrorism for the united states for five years. these are credentials and experiences that i think can address these concerns and i hope that an opportunity through one debate or the other will come to pass. but there will be other vehicles for talking about it too as the people begin to focus on these challenges. >> governor gilmore, thank you for being here this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you, brian. up next a political calmness bold decision about covering donald trump. or actually i should say, not covering donald trump. you have to hear this. stay tuned. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset do it all. on us.

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seriously should we be covering donald trump's campaign and his off-the-cuff often controversial remarks? this is something journalists are talking about all the time in newsrooms, in bars restaurants, all over. trump is surging in the polls, but how much of that surge is related to the constant media coverage? we've heard other candidates start to complain about this and on the cover of tomorrow's "national journal" magazine out right now online the article titled "trumping" really explores this issue. the writer andy khrohl taking a surprising position for a journalist. "the media could quit him, the media should quit him. and that -- i feel incredibly fortunate to say these words -- is the last i'll write on the subject." joining me now is andy krohl, staff writer for "the national journal." andy is it true you are swearing you will never write about donald trump again? >> i wrote those words and wrote every single one of them.

as you note, we're careful to say that's the last because here i am talking to you about donald trump -- >> you're not ruling out any talking head appearances, okay. >> clearly, i'm not. i'm here now. i think as carl bernstein said earlier on the show talking about the media and how it's covering candidates especially an aberration like donald trump and this moment he's having is an important thing to do and that was really sort of one of the big reasons why we decided to do this story. >> you focused on the media's attention toward trump in your cover story. and have you come to the conclusion that trump should not be taken seriously but now has to be taken seriously because the press has created this sort of virtuous or vicious cycle? >> yeah and it's incredible to see how this works. you know for this story, brian, i went to laredo texas. i went to the border. this was for donald trump's much-anticipated you know super-hyped visit to the u.s./mexico border. immigration, of course being his marquee issue, if he can be said to have a marquee issue. and when i was there, you know i was taking in both the things

that he was saying or rather the things that he was not saying. it was absolutely surreal the answers that he gave to pretty straight-forward questions about policy about his campaign about his ideas. but there was a point there when you know metaphorically i sort of turned my lens to my colleagues around me, and this just incredible scrum of reporters from all over the world, not just from the united states who are fixated on this man. >> right. you're saying the media should quit trump, but are you being realistic? you probably know that's impossible right? it's impossible for you as an individual, but not for institutions. >> it's aspirational, you might say. >> aspirational. >> aspirational. you know but i mean there are parts of trump's story -- his story's the story of the summer and i think you're right when you pointed that out, and there is something to poll numbers, even if polls this early are by and large kind of meaningless, but he is touching something raw with a big swath of american voters. and i would love to see more

stories not focusing on trump's latest antic, his latest sound bite his latest tweet, but stories looking at you know maybe going out and talking to some of these people who do feel support for trump. what is it that he's saying that is so compelling to you, or why is it that the issue of immigration has all of a sudden flared into view in the republican nomination fight? >> absolutely. and i mean i think a lot of viewers, even if they don't agree with everything trump says they hear a lot that they like about him, and we could explore more about that. before i go let me play that rand paul sound bite from earlier in the week. this is really striking. he was on with wolf blitzer talking about trump momentum. here's what rand paul said. >> if i had a billion dollars worth of advertising and every network going gaga over that you know what i think we could get ours to rise also. but there's going to be time for that. i think this is a temporary sort of loss of sanity, but we're going to come back to our senses and look for somebody serious to lead the country at some point. >> so andy, are you part of

that insanity as of today, it's over? you're now back to being sane? >> i think that senator paul makes some good points there, and i think, you know trump is having a moment but i also think that this moment will go away whether it is because he implodes on the debate stage in cleveland or just he runs out of things to say and runs out of -- i mean i think it's more likely that he'll lose interest in this whole thing than will the media, than will the people surrounding him. i mean he's in it for name recognition and hype and you know it's just a matter of time i think, before that wick burns out. >> as i said last week maybe cable news host is in his future. andy thanks for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me. up next jon stewart's last days on "the daily show." my look back at his contribution to television and politics in just a moment.

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to one of the big media stories of this week and that is jon stewart signing off. if he's taught us anything on "the daily show," it's that humor has a place in the news that jokes and video clips can hold people and power accountable. take a look back at his "daily show" career. stay tuned now, because "state of the union" with jake tapper starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it's crunch time. with just four days until the first debate republicans race to secure their spot. >> that's all they do is debate. i don't talk about it i get it done. >> senator rand paul will tell us how he plans to fend off donald trump. plus chris christie taking on his rivals. >> anybody can do well for a month. >> he tells us how he's plotting his comeback. and then jon stewart -- >> i'm issuing a new executive order.