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@cnnsitroom. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. it's all about donald trump, after dominating last night's debate, he is still topic number one for the other candidates today. >> this debate last night showed that he doesn't have a lot of specifics. >> is trump digging republicans into a hole with women? "outfront" tonight, the contestant who was the target of one of trump's crudest lines. breaking news. we're standing by right now for the sentencing verdict in the colorado movie theeater massacr. will james holmes get the death penalty? let's go "outfront."
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good evening. i'm kate baldwin in for erin burnett. donald trump dominating. trump by many accounts, including his own, the big winner in the first presidential debate. he has been in a fighting mood all day long. taking on anyone who dared to question him. trump and his campaign posting and reposting increasingly hostile tweets toward his critics. to the host network, he said this. fox news, you should be ashamed of yourself. i got you the highest debate ratings in your history and you say nothing but bad. to a pollster who said voters didn't like trump's performance, he is a local class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and i had zero interest. he made it clear who he thought won the debate trump wins gop debate. candidates who were trying to talk about anything but trump today could not escape him.
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jeb bush in an interview compared him to barak obama. >> language that divides us -- this reminds me of barak obama, not as a candidate but as president. all he does is push people that don't agree with him down to make his side look better. the divide makes it hard to solve problems. i don't think we will win that way. >> trump stole the show last night. but did list strhis strategy wo? >> reporter: with the most fervent supporters, it did. it seems like he has very little interest in expanding his base of appeal, particularly with that tough talk toward one of the debate moderators that may have been offensive to a lot of women. tonight it has become clear, even more clear than it has been, that donald trump isn't going anywhere any time soon. the rest of the republican field is trying to navigate around him. in any other republican presidential race it would be a
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simple question. >> is there anyone on stage -- can i see hands -- who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the republican party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person? mr. trump. >> reporter: settle in and watch. this is no ordinary campaign. donald trump showed one thing at the first gop debate, he is here to stay. republicans, like it or not, must now decide how to deal with him and his veiled threat to run ace third party candidate. >> i cannot say -- i'm talking about a lot of leverage. >> reporter: leverage sounded more like extortion to rand paul. >> he buys and sells politicians of all stripes. so if he doesn't run as a republican, maybe he supports clinton or maybe he runs as an independent. >> reporter: trump not only dominated the debate, he
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dominated the clock. getting more than twice as much time as some rivals. ohio governor john kasich cheered on by a home state crowd in cleveland took the gentle approach. >> donald trump is hitting a nerve in this country. he is. he is hitting a nerve. people are frustrated. they're fed up. they don't think government is working for them. for people that want to tune him out, they are making a mistake. >> reporter: jeb bush did not. >> mr. trump's language is divisive. i want to win. i want one of these people here or the ones at 5:00 to be the next president of the united states. we're not going to win by doing what barak obama and hillary clinton do each and every day, dividing the country. >> reporter: carly fiorina, who gnt ma didn't make the cut for the prime time show called out trump for being close to the clintons. >> i didn't get a phone call from bill clinton before i jumped in the race. did any of you get a phone call from bill clinton? maybe it's because i didn't give
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money to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign. >> reporter: it was marco rubio who urged republicans to choose a candidate who can take on the real opponent. >> how is hillary clinton going to lecture me about living paycheck to paycheck? how is she going to lecture me about student loans? i owed over $100,000 four years ago. >> reporter: the republicans i talked to today in the early voting states iowa, new hampshire and south carolina, including several who were open to supporting trump, said they can't get over the fact he wouldn't pledge to back the republican nominee. that could be a deal breaker for so many conservative activists who were so eager to win back the white house. thank you so much. "outfront" tonight, ed goaz editor of brightbart news and david gergin.
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it's great to see you all. thanks for joining me. david, 24 million people watched the debate last night. donald trump sure seemed to make it must-see tv. when you get to what he said, did the debate help or hurt him with voters? what do you think? >> there's certainly two sides to this. he deserves an enormous amount of credit for electrifying the republican race. he drove that 24 million people to the -- to watch this. so all 17 candidates yesterday had a chance to audition before massive audiences they would never have seen had it not been for trump. that's a plus, especially for those that did well. the other side of this is, we don't know yet. we don't have definitive signs. but by all normal rules, trump hurt himself. the nfollow-up suggesting he is
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not only retaliating but he is vengeful. there's hate in there that he has to go out and hit somebody if he is challenged. that's not what americans normally rally to in a president. he will get -- he will continue to have some support. i think you will see the conservative activists peel off. we are likely to see women begin to peel off or at least go the other way. not just on the way he answered but the general tone of his remarks. i think you are going to see other conservatives who -- the fox questioning really brought to light that he is not a true conservative in a traditional sense, or at least he hasn't been until recently. he has held a lot of positions that are contrary to what the conservatives say. when he says i may run third party, he may run as something other than a conservative. there are a lot of republicans who think they will cost them the white house.
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i don't think he was ready for that question. i think he blew the answer to that. there was a more artful way to say what -- the point he was trying to make. >> he, himself -- he acknowledges that artful is not necessarily something he even -- he is good at. when you look at this -- >> nuance is not his -- >> he has better things to worry about. when you listen to this, this is -- this is what frank luntz said. listen to this. >> i have to tell you, this was an mazing debate performance, not amazing because it was effective. amazing because i saw the destruction of a presidential campaign over those two hours. >> destruction of a presidential campaign over the course of two hours. what do you think ? >> we could call that wishful thinking. we saw a great debate.
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it was a great debate between the anchors and donald trump. i enjoys the christie and rand spat. they are trying to take out donald trump. fox is positioning themselves as an establishment republican network. they are not interested in didn donald trump. his supporters are grass -- >> he doesn't let people push him most often. what's wrong with pushing him? >> nothing wrong with pushing him on his record. it's the tone i think made trump seem like a victim. he was sitting there smiling in the beginning while he is getting badgered. instead of opening with something about hillary clinton or policy positions, which i heard in your opening segment, interest in policy positions, no, it was just are you going to pledge allegiance to the republican party. this is a got you question. it was a got you debate. >> that's not a got you question. that's a home run question if you want to answer it right.
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>> there's lots of got you questions throughout the debate. when we're going up against presumably hillary clinton married to bill clinton, accused serial sexual harasser with accusations on the table. >> the difference between the man on the stage saying some words and someone -- hill cry cl hillary clinton is not -- >> what was asked was, are these -- he is mean, sure. but he was mean to frank luntz when he called him a low class slob earlier today. >> ed, weigh in on this. i want to hear what you think your candidate did. alex doesn't think anybody else got any questions. your candidate, walker -- governor walker, his performance some describe as lukewarm. he seemed he began to shrink over the night. was that because trump was on the stage? >> no.
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the opposite. all the press said he got stronger as the night went on. i thought that was interesting is we had several goals. we saw him as presidential. we saw him as very articulate in terms of what he was saying out there. he had probably one of the best punch lines of the night when talking about hillary clinton's e-mails. >> that's true. >> almost all of the articles going into the debate was a question mark of how he would do on the florida national defense issues. he knocked every one of those out of the park. in terms of trump, first of all, there's a lot of things being labeled on who he has and who he doesn't have that's not realistic. he doesn't have the republican base. in fact, most of the national polls coming out right now -- david knows this having done this for so many years. they're asking questions of all republicans, maybe even
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republican independent leaning republicans. when you can't show me a state that more than 20% of the republicans vote in the primaries in the presidential election. there's no effort to get to the real voters who will be the participants, the base of the republican party. when you look at those surveys and several of the iowa surveys that have come out that look at the caucus goers, trump is not doing that well. he is doing better with the broader spectrum of voters. he does as well with moderate and lib rerals. it has driven to a great extent because he has a name i.d. >> i am excited to see and fascinated to see what the numbers look like after this debate though. thank you so much. it's great to see you. have a great weekend. don't forget, c n nn will h the next debate wednesday, september 16th on cnn.
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set your calendars. if trump made one big stumble last night, it may have been with megyn kelly and women voters. >> you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> trump told an apprentice contestant it would be a nice picture to see her on her knees. she is my guest tonight. trump brags that he has given money to almost all the other candidates. has he donated more to democrats?
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donald trump and his team are on the attack, taking aim at fox's megyn kelly after her question about whether he is part of the war on women. a senior adviser retweeted this
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about the fox new s anchor, we can gut her. this is just the latest of trump's attacks aimed at women. >> reporter: donald trump standing center stage at the first republican debate, confronted with his insults against women. >> you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> i'm sure it was. >> your twitter account has several despaisparaging comment about women's looks. you told a contestant it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president and how will you answer the charge from hillary clinton who is likely to be the democratic nominee that you are part of the war on women? >> the big problem this country has is being politically
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correct. i have been challenged by so many people, and i don't frankly have time for total political correctness. >> rosie o'donnell responded element immediately tweeting, try explaining that to your kids. the bad blood between them reportedly going back nearly a decade to 2006 when o'donnell questioned trump's decision not to fire miss usa over drug abuse. calling him a snake oil salesman. >> left the first wife. had an affair. the second wife. had an affair. he is the moral come papass. >> trump shot back. >> look at her. she's a slob. i would fire rosie. i would look her in that fat usually face of hers. i would say, you are fired. >> trump said this to brandy roderick. >> must be a pretty picture you dropping to your knees. >> reporter: the billionaire was asked about a claim that trump
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called her disgusting for asking to take a break to breast pump during a deposition. >> not true. she wanted to breast pump in front of me. i may have said that's disgusting. she's a vicious, horrible person. >> reporter: trump says he doesn't have a problem with women. >> the biggest applause of the evening was when i mentioned the name rosie o'donnell, the place went wild. >> reporter: trump criticized moderator megyn kelly's handling of the debate, going on a twitter rand overnight. really bombed tonight. people are going wild on twitter. funny to watch. he also retweeted disparaging remarks from others, including this one calling kelly a bimbo. the polls are mixed. a recent poll shows that 62% of registered female voters have an unfavorable view of trump. among republican women, it's 42%. another poll has trump leading among women when compared to the other republican candidates
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taking 20%. the question of course is whether or not this debate is going to have any impact on trump's approval from this critical group. >> that's a key question for sure. "outfront" is brandy roderick, the contestant donald trump was speaking to when he made that comment back there 2012. thanks for joining us. looking back at that moment on the "apprentice" were you offended. >> obviously not. i didn't remember the comment. i actually had to go back and rewatch the clip. i think it was taken out of context. if you watch the clip, it's not like he said, you would look great on your knees. it was nothing like that. in my experience, i've always had a great experience around donald trump. it has been positive. it has never been negative or derogatory. so that's been my experience. >> in the debates, it was part
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of a list of comments that donald trump has made towards women that he had been derogatory towards women, demeaning towards women. a lot of women were offended when they heard the comment that he had made towards you. does it bother you now when you think about it? >> no. because in my situation and some of the others, it was all on television. he is the host of a reality show. they definitely didn't hire trump because of his filter. you know what i mean? that's his job is to make -- to make people want to come back for more. absolutely not. when you are in the television world, you have to have a thick skin. >> that's the truth. what do you make of the fact that you have been brought in to this presidential race? >> it's a bit bizarre and surreal, definitely. you know, i want to say my side of the story, because i don't want people out there thinking he is this horrible man because he is not. like i said, my experience has
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always been positive with him. he has always been an encouraging type of person in mmy experience. sg >> you have described him as an entertainer. with this experience in mind, is donald trump presidential material do you think? >> i think that it's early in the race. i take voting very seriously as a mother and as a business person. for me, it's the very beginning. i need to see the entire race. >> are you -- you are not counting donald trump out. but a lot of folks are looking at his past experience and who he encounters to see if he has the temperament of a president. what do you think? >> i think i need to see more. i definitely need to see more. i'm not going to decide either way right now. i need to see a lot more from him and from everybody else. >> thanks so much. >> thank you.
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"outfront" now, katie-packer-gauge and andy dean who work for the billionaire for several years. andy, it's great to see you. katie, great to see you. she didn't seem to want to give an answer to the last question about whether trump was presidential material. she needs to see more. is trump's answer to the question last night going to come back to bite him, do you think? >> no. i think it was the only way he could answer the question. a bomb was thrown at him. deflected it with humor. rosie o'donnell is a disgusting pig. we can agree. it's not sexist. donald is an equal opportunity -- >> why you doubling down on that? why do you need to use that language? >> rosie started this fight and -- >> is is it a fight with you? >> no. it's a fight with donald. the point is if he's attacks, he is going to defend himself.
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that's what our country needs. we are being attacked. the iranians with the ridiculous deal. we need somebody who will stand up. this is an example of what he can do. >> it just blows my mind we went from talking about rosie o'donnell now we are talking about the iran deal. i don't know how we got there. >> because it's -- look, the point is this. you are saying the guy is a sexist one week and a racist the next week. it's the liberal media trying to destroy who is on top. that's why good people don't run for office. you want to destroy them instead of looking at the issues. when we looked at the issues, donald talked about having a larger vision. he tried to talk about iran and mexico. we are talking about he is a sexist and a racist. i'm trying to bring this back to what's important to the american people. >> taking on the issues is important. i don't think there's anything wrong in bringing up your past statements to ask you about them. that's what happens when you are in politics. that's just the way it is. katie, donald trump, he shared a tweet that called megyn kelly a
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bimbo. his council retweeted a message referring to kelly that said this. we can gut her. is this going to hurt the republican party? go past donald trump for a second. is this going to hurt the republican party regardless with women vote sneakers the trump campaign does not think so clearly. they don't think it matters. >> ultimately, it's not, because he's not going to be our party's nominee. people assign these attitudes to donald trump the entertainer. he is an entertainer. he should keep these sort of schoolyard bullying antics on television where it belongs in the entertainment industry. it doesn't belong in the context of of a presidential campaign. the reality is, if you attack people of other races, people are going to call you a racist. if you attack women, people are going to say you are sexist. that's the reality. as mitt romney said in 2012, this ain't beanbag. excuse me. i'm speaking. this is not beanbag. this is a serious presidential
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debate. you have to be prepared to answer serious questions like are you going to run against the eventual nominee. he refused to say he wouldn't. these are legitimate questions that -- he is not a victim here. donald trump is never the victim here. this is the way that the process works. he was totally unprepared for these questions. >> we're getting debate lectures from mitt romney's camp. she worked for mitt romney for years. he is why we have four years of obama. mitt romney is one of the worst debaters. i find it strange -- >> i think nobody would agree with you on that front. we're not here to debate 2012. we're talking about -- we're talking about the future, andy. what i'm saying is that donald trump is an entertainer. i'm all for him staying in the entertainment industry. i do think a lot of women and a lot of weapons are insulted and offended by dragging this kind of drama of name calling and
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treating women in a dispickab despicable -- it's unacceptable. >> andy, final word. >> i find kateykatie's opinions sexist. he judges people on the content of their character. he runs corporations. if you look at katie's -- >> i'm not a sexist. it's just donald trump that i'm opposed to. >> that's a labor violation. we should have your company investigated. you don't hire men. >> you are right, that's exactly what we should do. >> andy -- >> that's bigotry. >> quick on this final point, what i'm hearing from you is you don't think we will see any difference from donald trump >> what should be different? he had 24 million people tune in, double the audience. he is getting people engaged. >> you slu he should do what hen doing. bring it on.
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>> great to see you both. let's do this again next week. i'm sure we will have more to talk about. good tv. donald trump will be a guest tonight on cnn tonight with don lemon. that's 9:00 eastern. after that conversation, you don't want to miss that. next, jeb bush with perhaps more at stake last night than any other candidate. did his performance fall flat? donald trump bragged about donating to almost all of his republican rivals. is that true? a special investigation into who gets trump's money. the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are.
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new tonight, jeb bush moments ago talking about last night's debate and donald trump raising money for him. >> i had fun last night. i really enjoyed getting to know donald trump up close and personal. i met him once before. he raisefund-raiser for me. >> he spent the day campaigning.
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dana bash was in cleveland for the debate. dana, throughout his early campaign, jeb bush has struggled with two questions about his family and about the iraq war. he was asked about that last night. how did he do? >> reporter: well, did he better than he did the first time megyn kelly asked him about it, which took him five days -- five or six tries to get the answer that was i guess most acceptable, which is what he gave last night, which is knowing what we know now, knowing about the intelligence, it is -- he wouldn't have done it. listen to what he said and we will talk more about it on other side. >> for daze ys on end you strugd to answer a question about whether knowing what we know now -- >> i remember. i remember. >> i remember it, too. >> knowing with ining what we k
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not having security be the first priority when we invaded, it was a mistake. i wouldn't have gone in. >> a couple things on that. first of all, just in terms of the substance of what he said, he has made it clear it's not easy for him to throw his family under the bus and iraq -- it doesn't get bigger when it comes to his brother. in terms of style, there he seemed a little bit -- a little bit unsure of himself. in other parts where he was talking about things that his -- his comfort zone, like education where he had to stand his ground and prove that he is a conservative because so many are upset about the common core initiative that he supports, he was very good. he was sort of very believable, very confident. even in the clip you played just before coming to me of him in new hampshire tonight, it was a different guy. i think just the takeaway -- more importantly from a lot of republicans that i have talked
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to is that his performance has been uneven. it is likely because he hasn't been in a debate since 2002. he has been out of game for a long time. it's early. what the supporters are hoping is that it becomes more even and more like what you played at the beginning from ham happnew hamp tonight. >> some say he is still kicking off the rust. joining me, anna novaro and democratic strategist maria cardona. she worked for the democratic national committee. maria, to you. in talking about jeb bush, you wrote today that jeb bush was the loser of the debate. why? >> well, to dana's comment, he was very uneven. he was very inconsistent. i thought he was kind of very flat and didn't feel like he had life in him. didn't really feel like he wanted to be there. the reason why i think that is
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so damaging because he had great expectations going into this, because he has had such an uneven performance from the beginning of his campaign starting with the flub on the iraq question. even most recently when he talked about americans having to work more hours when he talked about how investments in women's healthcare are not worth it. so when you look at what the expectations were, especially for the investors, kate, he is the $100 million man now given all the money he raised. if you are an investor, you were hoping to see somebody that was taking the reigns, that was being a leader, that was looking presidential, that was not looking like a deer in the headligh headlights. frankly, that's kind of what he looked like. >> anna, how is the campaign feeling today? >> i don't know. i'm not part of the campaign. i am one of those investors, as
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maria calls us. i'm a friend of jeb's. i can tell you why a lot of democrats -- which is no coincidence this is happening. they now he would be a formidable candidate against hillary clinton. it is not a coincidence that that's what all the democrats have been doing today, focusing on jeb bush. i saw jeb have very good answers. i know jeb well. he is a policy wonk. he tends to get into the weeds. he loves policy. for him it's not easy to be able to condense answers to 60 seconds. he was able to do it. i think he gave good, solid policy-based answers. what he didn't have were good, memorable moments. you have a debate which is very different than most debates where it might be two, three people on the stage. this is a debate with ten people, including some out-sized personalties. so you have to have not just substance -- which i think he was solid on.
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you have to also have a great deal of moments to stand out. how do you distinguish yourself? i think that's where he needs to work on that. >> to that point, anna, bill crystal, we know him well, he called the performance lackluster and said bush doesn't have that fire in the belly, is how crystal described it. that seems to be a common complaint about bush. are we going to see a change in him? are we going to see fire in the belly is that going to happen after this debate? >> well, let me just say, my friend bill crystal has never liked jeb bush. theyon't agree on immigration. he has been taking him on constantly because of that. do i think jeb has fire in the belly? i do. do i think that for jeb that means having -- being a fire breathing dragon? no. i don't think that it means to him that he needs to tear other republicans down in order to build himself up. i don't think he needs to tear other people in order to promote himself. i don't think it means having to
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throw his family under the bus in order to promote himself. what fire in the belly means for jeb is what you have seen him doing today, going and continuing to campaign, campaign as the happy warrior and something he has been wanting to do. if fire in the belly means being angry, being ticked off, being donald trump, no, you will not see jeb do that. >> final, maria. >> he needs to really focus on this quote unquote fire in the belly. a degree, fire in the belly doesn't need to be donald trump-like where uriyou are insulting everybody. it does mean that you have to show that you are going to fight for your constituents, that you are going to fight for the voters, that you are asking their vote and their confidence for. frankly, last night, he didn't show that he was that type of fighter. if he is going to be the nominee, he will go up against hill c hillary clinton who is focusing
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that she will be the fighter every step of the way. >> the good thing is there's another republican debate right here on cnn coming up in september. >> there's nine more. can i tell you? if it's anything as entertaining at last night, get your popcorn ready. >> watching you last night, anna, i was giggling. you were hilarious watching that. great to see you both. >> thank you. who really does get donald trump's money? >> most of the people on this stage i have given to, just so you understand. a lot of money. >> not me. >> we have breaking news comg up. the jury's verdict in the sentencing of colorado theater shooter james holmes. how did he avoid the death penalty? (music)
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stage? tom foreman is "outfront." what's the truth? >> reporter: the truth is, trump is doing a money shaming thing. he gives these people his money and then when they come after him, hold on, you have a pocket full of donald' dollars. look at the stage and look at some of the numbers. he gave got scott walker $10,000 last year. cruz got $5,000. christie got a quarter million dollars to a republican governor's group that he was the head of at the time. it wasn't right to christie. $2,500 to huckabee. jeb bush got $500. earlier on in the happy hour debate, graham got $15,000 with his pack some time ago. you can have a lot of fun with that. >> i would say so. trump hasn't always been a republican. it should not be a surprise to anybody his donations have also drifted between parties.
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>> reporter: yeah. he initially gave more to democrats than republicans. over the years, he had added up money to hillary clinton and john kerry and the like, almost to $600,000. then in 2011, he shifted more money over to the republican side. they caught up and then surpassed that number with donations over the years, bob dole and phil graham and rudy giulia giuliani. that's a lot of money going out into the campaign on both sides, more the republican side now, but plenty to go around. >> a lot of money and not the last we heard of it. thanks so much. next, breaking news. moments ago the jury returned a verdict in the sentencing of james holmes, the colorado movie theater shooter. how did he avoid a death sentence? he shrugged, he scowled.
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breaking news. colorado movie theater shooter james holmes gets life in prison
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without the possibility of parole. the jury was unable to reach a unanimous sentencing verdict for holmes killing 12 people and wounding 70 others. holmes had pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. anna cabrera is live outside the courthouse. anna, this seems a surprising verdict. what was the reaction inside the courtroom? >> reporter: well, understandably there were a lot of people on edge. it's been three years since the shooting. lots of family members of those who were killed, survivors of the shooting were all anxiously awaiting this final sentencing verdict. some sobbed. a couple of people got up and left after just the first couple of counts were read. jurors looked ashen in their faces, very grim as they were filing into the courtroom. and then the judge reading that they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict on any particular of the 24 counts resulting by default in a life sentence without parole for
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james holmes. now again, it's been three years since the day he committed the crime, july 20th, 2012. and these jurors have sat through 15 weeks of testimony from 306 witnesses. they deliberated for about seven hours before coming back and saying they were unable to reach that unanimous verdict. but the prosecution all along had been arguing and pushing for the death penalty saying justice is death. the defense urged mercy. and their argument was james holmes was mentally ill when he committed the crime. and he still suffers severe mental illness. in fact, there were several experts throughout this trial who testified that holmes does indeed suffer severe mental illness. and so the doefs telling jurors you can't kill a sick person. perhaps that was part of what made the deliberations difficult and the reason they did not reach a unanimous verdict. but in the end, again, life in prison without parole for the man convicted of one of the
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worst mass slohootings in u.s. history, kate. >> i'm sure it was emotional for families because they had been reading emotional victim impact statements leading up to this. how did james holmes react in the courtroom? >> reporter: no reaction. no emotion. he was expressionless. he stood, he looked at the judge and really that was the standard for him throughout this entire trial. we do know he is under antipsychotic medications and antidepressants. so not surprising. what was surprising, kate, was how james holmes parents reacted. they have been stoic throughout the trial. when the verdict was read that her son was sentenced to life in prison and not the death penalty, arlene holmes burst into sobs and started shaking and was almost being held up by her husband who was also standing alongside her, kate. >> ana cabrera with the breaking news. thank you so much. out front for us next, donald trump not only took center stage at the debate, he
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so donald trump used much more than zingers -- than just zingers to take on his republican rivals last night. jean casarez is out front. >> reporter: it's one thing to listen to the message. >> i want to run as the republican nominee. >> reporter: another to watch it. experts say nonverbal cues may tell almost as much about a candidate as what comes out of his or her mouth. >> body language is nothing more than our thoughts revealed. >> reporter: donald trump may have stolen the show right out of the box in thursday night's debate. >> you can't say tonight that you can make that pledge? >> i cannot say -- >> and then what he does is he brings his hands out and he turns his palms, kind of tilts his head, that's uncertainty. >> reporter: whether it's holding his hands out, pointing a finger to his head or just a classic donald trump smirk, a lot can be learned from body language. take someone's posture, shoulders back, shoulders slumped. >> what we find is people that
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broaden have more confidence and dominance. those that retract, they lose confidence, become small and they become more insecure. >> reporter: and what direction you lean. >> he's also a very relaxed guy. that's just his demeanor. he's a boots on the ground kind of guy. >> reporter: and who you face head-on. >> get a warrant -- >> let me tell you something -- >> reporter: take a look at rand paul rolling his eyes. >> he has absolutely no respect for christie whatsoever. >> reporter: or donald trump holding and adjusting the microphone. >> i've been very nice to you although i could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me. >> it's almost like he's guarding himself and self-protection, self-soothing gesture. he was not feeling very confident right there. >> reporter: and what about the hand gestures? thumbs up, slicing downward or constantly moving. >> when the hands are tending to move rapidly, what's happening internally there's massive anxiety that's going on. what does it do? it has to leak out and expel somewhere. >> reporter: and any way you slice it, impromptu body language should not be ignored,
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experts say. because what it holds may be the truth. >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. >> reporter: jean casarez, cnn, new york. >> i don't know what to do with my hands now. thanks for joining us, everybody. "ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight keeping them honest with the debate, donald trump and the controversy over questions he was asked about his past comments about some women. a record 24 million people watched him and nine other republicans on that stage last night in cleveland. eight times more viewers than the first debate of the 2012 campaign. and there's no denying a lot of that viewership was because donald trump was on that stage. here's the exchange between meghan kelly and trump that continues to reverberate today. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. your twitter account