9:00 p.m. donald trump is not backing down over remarks that have drawn fire from republicans and hillary clinton. that is ahead. we begin in ferguson, missouri where the sun is going down after a day of protest including the blocking of a nearby major highway. state of emergency now in effect across city and all of st. louis county. a year after police shot and killed michael brown and all that followed. tension is once again high tonight. the last 24 hours have seen protests, violence. looting. gunshots and alleged gunman shot. and badly wounded by police. we'll talk in a moment about where things go from here. first ryan young with how he got to this point. >> reporter: rapid gunfire followed by running in fear. you can see the panic rise in the crowd. the peaceful protest from michael brown turned to violence sunday night. ferguson's interim police chief, andre anderson was in the middle of an interview when the anythinger across the street boiled over. >> we just want to be as patient

as possible. >> message to those who are -- >> what is senate. >> get down. >> gunfire. >> cover, cover, cover! >> reporter: detectives rushed around tyrone harris, this video shows the moments after police shot harris from inside their unmarked vehicle after they say they were fired upon. police say he was carrying a stolen gun. >> this is a crime scene. back up. back up. back up. >> get some help. >> there were four officers who were in the van. all four fired at the suspect. and the suspect fell there. >> reporter: harris' aunt told cnn he wasn't carrying a gun and was running from the gunfire. as word of the shooting spread the crowd's anger turned towards police. >> the shooting pushed police and protesters into a standoff. somebody started throwing bottles and bricks. police fired back with tear gas and smoke bombs. three police officers were injured. one hit in the face by a brick.

>> monday afternoon the city of ferguson release a statement about the shooting. we are deeply disappointed with the violence that took place last night. this kind of behavior from those who want to cause disruption and destroy the progress from the last year will not be tolerated. but a year after michael brown was shot and killed by officer darren wilson, tensions remain high. this afternoon, more than 50 protesters were arrested in downtown st. louis. they were calling for the dismantling of the ferguson police department. and with officials declaring a state of emergency in the county there was frustration with the all too familiar scenes. >> i think this is just a tragic reminder that weapons in an already wounded community is a recipe for disaster. >> ryan joins us now. ryan, what is happening to night? >> well, anderson, you have to focus on the highway scene. so many protesters getting on the highway. at some point the drivers who

were involved in that, they got fipd. they tried to drive through some of the protesters. you can people kicking at a car. that is something people are were worry add but. they dent want anything to spill over on to the highway or anywhere else. here outside the police department. look behind me. less than a dozen people out so far. people are just waiting to see what happened next. anderson. >> thank you. joining us two central figures in everything that unfolded last year. state house member st. louis police officers association official jeff reuter, just writ in a book about ferguson "ferghanistan, the war on police." and alderman, you were there after the shooting broke out. can you take me through what happened. did it seem like the protesters were involved? >> no, it was after the initial interaction between the prote protesters and the police line. the police had formed a very familiar scene from last year.

dressed in riot gear across florence. a portion of the crowd went to the back down north on west florence towards the businesses. as they congregated there was a group of folks hovering around. the folks i would describe as opportunists who look for things and situations to commit crimes. they broke windows. began to loot. a fooew of us went to stop peop, blocking the open windows. the gunshots started coming. a few at first. then a lot. people started running. it was chaotic. only afterward did he learn someone was hit across the street. later we found out e was officer involved. >> jeff, do you think what happened last night could have been avoided in any way? or are the -- the fewage game togame -- the fewage game totore -- t

few agitators again. >> it could have been avoiced. to avoid it. we have to talk about what got us here. all this talk of police reform. it has the gotten us nowhere. police officer shooting deaths are on the rise. fatal shootings by police. young black men on the rise. and we have gotten nowhere because we haven't concentrated on the central eissue which is conditions the kids live in. >> alderman, what about that. there has been a lot of talk about the need for reform. there is an interim police chief. talking about community policing. its that something you that you support is? that something that you believe would make a difference? >> so i am in favor of community policing. i think what we have now is something that looks more like an occupying force. and that's what generates this tension that has boiled over in the last year. so, i am hopeful that new leadership in the ferguson police department. and the ferguson city government will lead to change.

but i think there is a frustration that a year later, there has not been the kind of change we would hope to have seen by this point. there has been some faces that have changed. able. the system itself is still in place. >> jeff, when you hear about an interim police chief talking about getting, getting officers out on the streets. getting office nears the community. getting to know people. does that just seem, do you buy any of that? >> listen, anderson. we have heard this same tired chorus and antonio the maestro of the course. everything is law enforcement's fault, no matter what bad behavior is exhibited by the rioters, looters, arsonists, shooters, that somehow that lands on law enforcement's shoulders. and until we start asking people to take responsibility for their own behaviors, and figuring out what underlines the behaviors we are doomed to repeat this. it is really a disgrace that we

haven't made any progress over the last year because of the -- because of the anti-police rants that folks like alderman french have gone on. it's been very unproductive. and it hasn't contributed to any forward movement. >> i want you to be able to respond to that? >> yeah, so jeff is a union official continues to aindividual aavoid any level of additional police accountability. >> were's the most accountable -- >> let the alderman speak. you can respond. >> thank you. if we sat done as partners and tried to better 0 oour communit. the fact is for many of the communities, such as jeff is not a member of the community. so that jeff and the rhetoric that he has been spouting, has become the face of policing in st. louis, is a dangerous thing both for citizens and police. so i think jeff need to check his own behavior if heave really wants to help us move forward. jeff, what about that? >> yeah, listen, most of the alderman have a good

relationship with the police association. there is 28 alderman in st. louis. with the vast majority, except for the handful, we have a relationship. engaged. trying to move the community forward. alderman french has been an on sta skull. we begged him to come to the table with us when he was trying to advance civilian oversight board. and have this interaction, this , he is the most dismiss sieve alderman in st. louis city government. >> braef iefly. we have to go. we sat down. tried to work out language. any level of accountability has been rejected by jeff and union leadership. i want to make a clear distin tkttion. the officers who work in our neighborhoods, the officers we have a relationship. many officers have great relationships with our community. >> but not with you, alderman. not with you, alderman.

>> thank you for being on. thank you. coming up next. hillary clinton weighing into the controversy over donald trump's latest volley in his war of word with megyn kelly. remarks some republican rivals call over the line.

no apologies from donald trump today for remarks he made about moderator megyn kelly. in fact he says she owes him an apology. mr. trump got things going here

on friday night a day after the feud with her. >> that was friday night. touched a nerve among conservatives. erick erickson disinvited trump from a high profile candidate forum. mr. trump called erickson, a major sleaze and buffoon. by the weekend, gop rivals were weighing in about his comments about megyn kelly. >> they were completely inappropriate and offensive comments. period. >> we all know they are reprehensible. and in my view just one of many reasons why donald trump is unqualified and unfit to be president of the united states. >> i didn't think we should reward vulgarity. i don't think vulgarity equates

with insight. >> give me a break do we want to win? do we want to insult 53% awful voters. what donald trump said is wrong. >> not surprising mr. trump does not agree with the reaction or notion he was talking about anything inappropriate when he was referencing blood and megyn kelly. >> he went on to tweet this about megyn kelly. oh, really, check out innocent at megyn kelly, on discussion at howard stern show. five years ago. i amount innocent pure one. for the record, ms. kelly talked

about pregnancy, breast size and the effect on her and her husband's sex life. no apologies from donald trump. criticism from republicans. today, hillary clinton got into the act. senior washington correspondent has that. >> what donald trump said about megyn kelly is outrageous. >> done aald trump spilling int the democratic primary. >> megyn kelly is a strong woman and more than capable of defending herself against donald trump. i'm worried about what republican policies would do to the rest of america's women. and i will continue to speak out and speak out about that. >> today in new hampshire, hillary clinton weighed in for the first time on trump's controversial remarks. >> if you just focus on the biggest showman on the stage, you lose the thread here, the thread is that the republicans are putting forth some very radical and offensive positions when it comes to women's lives. >> reporter: she blasted the

full republican field saying all women should be on alert over the candidate's fierce opposition to abortion rights. even in the case of rape and incest. >> i said it was offensive. i said it was outrageous. i stand by that. i think more people should say the same. they should be going after him. the republican party is going to have to deal with him. i don't want that forgotten. so, yes i know it makes great tv. i think the guy went way overboard. offensive. outrageous. pick your adjective. but what marco rubio said has as much of an impact in terms of where the republican party is today. >> bill and hillary clinton have known trump for years. he contributed to her senate scam pains a campaigns and family foundation. she attended his wedding. she tried to distance herself from trump. >> i didn't know him that well. i knew him. i knew him. i happened to plan to be in florida. thought it would be fun to go to his wedding. it is always entertaining. now he is running for president it is a little more troubling. >> reporter: she came to new

hampshire to unveil a plan to rein in student loans. >> we need to make a quality education affordable and available to everyone willing to work for it without saddling them with decades of debt. >> reporter: what else could be troubling, trump's surge in popularity and attention. showman or not, hillary clinton is eager to seize the moment and link the republican field to trump. >> jeff, clearly that's what she is trying to do and has been trying to do back to the first interview she did with cnn couple of week as go saying, pivoting off trump and labelling whatever he has said that somebody might find offensive kind of trying to label the gop field with that. >> no question. anderson. she did it specifically today against marco rubio. thought of it was interesting she singed him out and him out alone. why is that? you talk to a lot of clinton advisers. they are significantly worried about the prospect of him rising

i you would ever get the nomination. they belief that is a can trast that will be very difficult for them in the general election. that gets way ahead of things. in the middle of a primary fight. her singling outs rubio is interesting. donald trump has taken all the oxygen out of the race. on the democratic side. if he wasn't here we would be talk morgue aboing more about b sanders six points behind hillary clinton. >> a large turnout. hugest turnout so far. >> no question. tens of thousand of people across the country, and this weekend, portland, seattle. 2,000 people at one of the rallies. tapping into the reverse of what donald trump is tapping into, on the democratic side. hillary clinton i think is also just fine with all this donald trump business. allows her to do a couple things. ignore bernie sanders. paint all these republican candidates with the broad, broad brush. >> jeff, thank you very much. want to talk to gop stra strategist, anna navao, amanda

carpenter, democratic strategist paul begala supports hillary clinton and runs a pro-clinton super pac. paul, do you think that, that jeff is right. that if it wasn't for trump, that there would be a lot more maybe negative focus on hillary clinton and the rise of bernie sanders? he got 28,000 people. 9,000 turned away in new hampshire. >> he is inarguably correct. what bern you ie is doing. impressive. as a pro hillary guy. not the same thing as what mr. trump is doing. bernie is not insulting anyone. not insulting what the democratic equivalent would be, insulting immigrants. pow, fox news hosts. bernie is not doing that. not attacking hillary. what bernie is doing now has enormous potential for good for the democratic party. drawing huge crowds. i hope as an operative. there are operatives there,

registering people. making sure they're registered to vote. all a good thing. this is not at all like what prr trump is doing. everything bernie is saying, i can sell in a general election. bernie is saying income equality, jobs matter, raise minimum wage, expand social security, what mr. trump and republicans are saying, insulting ms. kelly, or as hillary pointed out. marco rubio saying a woman the victim of rape should not have access to terminate the pregnancy? that's really going to hurt them in the general election. >> anna is it wise for hillary clinton to link trump to the gop field. do you think it is going to work? >> yeah, i think that depend on who the nominee is. i think marco rubio could be a huge contrast and could explain his position. he is personally formed by his faith against any exceptions on,

on the abortion issue. he thinks that life begins at conception. there is no exception. now, he has voted for and supported legislation, he has been pragmatic and voted, supported legislation that included these exceptions. so i think he has done what a lot of democrats have done for decades. which is say, personally, i am against abortion. but i am going to, you know, volt this w vote this way on legislation. taking a page from democrats. how democrats have handled being catholic for decade. you have seen the kennedys do it. seen john kerry, joe biden do it. they can becatholic. and yet pro-abortion. well, you know, marco is also, you know, form based on his faith. >> amanda, you said that donald trump is essentially loading bullets for hillary clinton's allegation as but a war on women. >> yeah, this is how i see the situation.

hillary clinton is itching to fight the war on women. donald trump is saying, loading ammunition for her that she will use against, not only donald trump, bumet the entire republin field. listen we will have a hard time this election. we know the war on women is coming. i don't know why we do anything to stoke it further. donald trump is hurting the entire party with these hurtful comments. >> paul, the thing, i mean easy for democrats. from now until november of 2016 to link donaldtrump to the party. even if he ends up running as a third party candidate. is it going to be? >> it is not just mr. trump. what mr. trump says what republicans believe just in a more unvarnished way. set aside trump. scott walker, repealed wisconsin's equal pay law for women. i think all of them owe pose the democrat's prem to strengthen e pay laws. jeb bush said i didn't think we

should spend $500 million. and brags about defunding contraception. >> he misspoke. >> he favors defunding contraception. nothing to do with mr. trump. there is a war on women. republican tuesday. >> no, no. paul he favors defunding planned parenthood. >> and title 10. anna. his father wrote into the law. >> he favors. well he favored defunding planned parenthood which we have seen some of the most gruesome, callus videos come out in the last several weeks. that's another thing we are not talking about. because donald trump is suck up all the oxygen in the room. >> this is going to be a liability with or without mr. trump on the ballot. the republicans are running really, anti-women campaign. >> interesting. in 2012, the war on women was a major talking point for democrats. legitimate rape, romney's binders full of women.

is trump opening up to the party to the same criticism all over again. >> i think he is. i don't think the republican spt shall candidates should be afraid to confront him ear clinton. planned parenthood videos anna referenced are a game changer. hillary clinton said she saw pictures from the video and was disturbed by the pictures. later she went out and said she would look to defend planned parenthood. i think she should be forced to do just that. and talk about how she felt when their workers who appear to be very inhumane lly discussing th sale of fee tatal or gonzgans. i'm happy to have that flushed out. i do think it is a winning play for republicans. >> amanda, anna, paul, thank you. stick around. want your take on the departure of a key trump insider and parting advice for a candidate

he things should be president. his assessment of mr. trump's tone. and the real message these controversies, i should say, are obscuring. roger stone joins us ahead. buy an eligible printer, and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink. available at participating retailers. the most affordable way to print. hp instant ink. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. aa chance to try somethinglook. different. this summer, challenge your preconceptions

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believe. he are gaugues all the spats do trump is getting into are detracting from donald trump's message. there is a trump maxim and stone maxim. if some body hits you. hit them back harder. i agree. but not a candidate running for the president of the united states. different to be a real estate developer, mogul or celebrity television star. but in the realm of politics you would be better off to ignore the criticisms. >> it's time wasted. >> in my view, just not productive. paul begala, rich gailen, director for newt gingrich, and jeffrey lord, newest political commentator and trump supporter. jeff, what does it say roger stone, no slinging violet and legendary for provocative tactics, parted ways with the trump campaign however it may have happened? >> i take roger's point.

i have known roger for years. i have immense respect for his capabilities, we worked together in the reagan campaign. i have to say candidly, i think he is probably right. i think this will inevitably happen. stories like the megyn kelly story have a short shelf life. i mean we will all move on to something else. i notice today that rush limbaugh on his show was saying, in essence the same thing. he was advising, i think he used the term free advice to donald trump, to move on and get back to the one who bring you. which in rush's case, i think he was talking about immigration and some of the other issues. so i really don't doubt this will happen at some point by the nature of a presidential campaign. >> paul, it seems like it may be happening. there are reports now that trump is sort of had a conversation with roger ailes, fences have been mended on our morning show tomorrow. on fox, as well.

megyn kelly has said tonight it's time to move on. she is not going to be responding. and look, i think she has come out of all of this, a first-class act, and a, really great on television, great at what she does. but it does seem, and it seems like the trump campaign may have some approximately spolicy papet out. and another thing, roger stone said they should be doing. >> mr. trump is going to miss mr. stone. roger stone is hated on my side of the aisle. but i really respect his talent. enormously talented guy. and mr. trump would do well to lure him back. i listened to your interview with him. roger clearly has affection and admiration for mr. trump. here is what is happening. trump is personally in charge. the only voice he is listening to, the voice inside his head, singing hail to the chief. the party now, even fox news, which is de facto part of the republican apparatus has been brought to heel against mr. trump.

you know what he is, the pirate in that movie captain phillip. look at me. look at me. i am the captain. and he is telling the republican establishment, you know what he is the captain. >> he is a somali pirate now? >> he is a somali pirate. better teeth. the republican party does not have the navy seals to rescue them the way tom hanks did. >> rich, what do you make of the way -- >> i could have gone with pirate roberts. but here is why, first of all, i agree with paul. i think roger will be back in the trump camp as a paid adviser. because, because mr. trump needs somebody like roger who can say, if you don't do, if you don't at least listen to me, i am going to quit. he showed he would do that. because what happens is we are, in the first few primaries it's sort of easy to do it yourself. iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. you can do it. on march 1, for example. there are 12 primaries on the republican side. 13 on the democratic side. you need to have an established

leadership team in your campaign. that can, that can work all of that while you as the candidate are doing your job. so, it would not surprise me a bit if by the end of this week, roger is back on board. i think that would be fine. >> jeff, everyone, include the media in this. loves when a candidate is blunt. not handled by a bunch of strategists. i enjoyed my interview ses so f with donald trump, and good for tv, refreshing, he can be charming. is there too much of that approach? particularly when you are seeking the highest office in the land? getting into fights with reporters who are, you know, asking, okay, tough questions, but nothing completely out of the realm of the ordinary? >> i think the beef with megyn kelly was, was context. you know for instance the rosie o'donnell situation. that ak sthactually was begun be

o'donnell on the view. he was responding to her. she said all sorts of nasty things. but, you know, i take your point but donald trump, any one for that matter is going to be donald trump, as hillary clinton is going to be hillary clinton. at this stavenge of their lives they're not going to change. >> can a president of the united states be retweeting some body calling megyn kelly a bimbo? >> you know, in all candor, anderson, i am not sure. i think the ground rules here are changing. i mean twirmetter itself is a v new situation. one can hardly imagine abraham lincoln or andrew jackson. maybe andrew jackson might have done some of these things. >> lot's help who ever is president doesn't have the time to be on twitter. if they have time to be coming up with tweets at 4:00 in the morning. tweet does now, tweeting out. i think we need to refocus. we got to leave it there. always good to have you on.

rich, jeffrey, paul. ahead. what makes donald trump tick. david gergen has written it, suggesting mr. trump is a narcissist, but also that is not necessarily a bad thing to be one. and in fact, many great leaders have narcissistic, narcissistic personalities or narcissistic traits. talk with david gergen and dr. drew pinski, you will hear from both next.

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we talked before the break about donald trump, tone, and whether what he says is getting in the way of his core message. in essence the personal trump is hurting political trump. that's the question. david gergen wrote about it today. in the cnn.com piece what explains donald trump's arrogance. he explains the narcissistic leadership which he points out is not necessarily a bad thing. i spk oke to david and drew pinski. david, a fascinating piece you point out. you said that societies need narcissistic leaders they tend to be strong people, have a lot of charisma, powerful drive to get results or what psychoanalysts call productive narcissists. what's the downside to those kind of people?

>> well, i drew heavily upon michael bacabee, psychoanalyst, corporate consultant to ceo's, leadership guru. and as he points out, you know, as freud said there are productive narcissists, people who are strong leaders at times of turbulence. you know, the public is looking for someone like a trump who presents a lot of strength. the downside is that, in effect the success can go to the head of a narcissist. and they sort of become self -- self-obsessed, self-absorbed, but they begin to go off the rails. they become socially isolated. they don't accept advice. they don't listen to others. they're distrustful. then when they're attacked or someone seems to be threatening them verbally they hit back really hard. all of those characteristics of course, are what we are seeing with donald trump. i have seen him in his private moments when he is, i think, much more productive. but the trump who has been in public fits that role of a narcissist you really have to wonder about. you know, has he created a trap

for himself. >> dr. drew, interesting, to david's point. donald trump when you are meeting with him one on one, or you are interviewing him, he can be incredibly charming. there is a great appeal to him. i enjoyed, i have done two interviews with him. i have enjoyed the entire process. even when he is pushing back hard on me or, saying something negative to me, it's -- it's a pleasurable conversation. it is an interesting stimulating conversation. isn't any person who decides to run for president, or most people in public life, whether it is donald trump or somebody else, aren't they most likely narcissists, including most people on television? >> absolutely -- >> including people on television. >> yes, i have the only published literature that shows that. that people, that's true, people who have narcissistic injuries early in life this is a bid to manage those injuries. it doesn't mean you have to be a full blown narcissist? >> what do you mean narcissistic injuries? >> abandonment, neglect, certain insufficiencies in childhood that may cause these people

narcissistic traits. not narcissistic disorders, narcissistic traits. that can, as david pointed out, be very, very useful in situations like this. you have how to wonder whether he is amplifying some narcissistic traits publicly now because what you have said about him in a private moment, suggests to me he doesn't have greatest, he has a boundary between you and him, he is able to deal with you respectfully and degree of empathy. lack of empathy is the single greatest liability of being a narcissist. >> david, you have -- >> you have how to wonder whether he invented. you whether whether donald trump invented a public persona. somebody he suddenly becomes on stage. we see that with a lot of people. what it -- it is absolutely true that -- that narcissists have often accomplished great things. franklin roosevelt, winston churchill, gandhi, the most effective narcissists are ones who are -- who have this narcissistic trait but they, they hide it, they take it, they, anchor it so it is not well seen.

lincoln falls into that category. but you really have to wonder with trump, mostly is it a partly public act, public persona he adopted over the years? and it works for him politically why not keep doing it even though it smashes a lot of the, the truths we hold in our heads about how a politician, and how a leader, especially a president ought to behave. >> drew, the term narcissism has got obviously a very negative connotation. you say it is not, you don't think of it as the a bad trait per se? >> i really don't. it has liabilities like any trait. and it has strengths like any trait. if you are going to be a leader you kind of have to have a certain amount of narcissism, need other people. you have to have a vision, you have to sort of be able to have a great trust in your own vision for things. where, again, where it starts to break down, you get so absorbed in your own sense of things don't perceive reality on reality's terms or don't take input from people close to you. >> david, when i talked to donald trump, i can't remember the first time or second time in the interview with him.

i asked him, would he change his tone when he became president? do you think it is possible, he said he would. do you think it's possible for somebody like him to change their tone? >> i think he is going to find that if he really wants to win the nomination, and he does obviously have a more durable following than almost any pundit thought, then he is going to have to move. i thought it was a negative sign when he divorced roger stone. michael mackabee makes the statement, one of the things you need how to do is stay anchored, need a side kick, counselor, losing stone i think was a mistake. but he has now made the signs -- he is going to put out position papers, do some of the things roger stone wanted him to do. maybe he is starting to move in the direction of having some conventionality and calming down some. which i've think would serve him over time. >> thanks. >> just ahead, an unarmed 19-year-old college football player, caught on surveillance

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texas, is promising a thorough investigation after a rookie police officer shot and killed an unarmed 19-year-old man.

college sophomore christian taylor who was seen on surveillance video damaging property outside of a car dealership. when police showed up, he ended up dead. that part is not on video. what are the police saying actually led to this young man's death? >> it was a little after 1:00 in the morning on friday morning when the surveillance camera saw the man walking on the lot, later identified as christian taylor. at one point he is seen jumping on the hood of a car and kicking in a window shield. later he drives onto the property and smashes through front doors of the showroom. of course police bra called. apparently, inside that dealership that was an altercation and the unarmed youth ends up dead. >> officers both gave statements to place today. do we know when they are going to release what the officer said? >> no, we don't. that's what everybody wants to know. those two officers it would seem

hold the key to at least explaining from their perspective as to what happened inside the dealership. there weren't cameras inside there. we have been waiting days. they have told it to authorities. the authorities said they will make it public. they say it will be soon. they won't define soon but said it definitely won't be tonight. >> the fbi has decided not to take part in an investigation; is that right? >> this is interesting. over the weekend the police chief said he was going to have the fbi oversee the investigation. the fbi came out with a statement saying they have full faith and confidence in the ability of the police department to do their own investigation. if it's discovered during the investigation that the teen's civil rights were violate then the fbi will investigate. it was definitely a kind of thank but not thanks on the part of the feds. >> i want to talk about it with sunny haase tins. and harry how can.

there is a lot we don't know about what happened here. it is interesting that the rhett ran officer used his taser, the probation officer, the rookie officer, used his gun. what does that tell you? >> it could be one of two things. one, the fact that he used the taser first, and apparently maybe it didn't work. and an altercation had occurred then between both of them and the rookie officer and it got to the point where the rookie officer felt somebody's life was in dachber and he had to pull out his revolver and shoot shoo you about we don't know the location or the sequence. >> what we have to wait for now is now that the officers have given statements, what we do is match the statements to the crime scene and the ballistics found at the scene. such as, let's say the officer says we were wrestling with the ungood morning then there would be powder burns consistent with you wrestling with the gun. or if he says, i was wrestling for the gun, or there was no

powder burns on the body, which tells us that the shot is from some distance away. >> sunny, just because somebody is vandalizing cars and drives their car through the window of a dealership, that doesn't justify deadly force. >> doesn't justify a death sentence. i think when you are looking at this video clearly his behavior is disturbing, it's very odd. >> seems agitated. >> seems like he might be under the influence. >> or emotionally disturbed. officers are trained to deal with edp -- emotionally disturbed people. i think it's going important to distinguish between the veteran and the rookie's actions. the grand jury's job, is the reasonable police officer put into that situation what would that reasonable police officer do. the one with more experience

uses his taser. the one with less experience shoots to kichl i think it's going to be very important to figure out where everyone was. >> we can guess what happened because of that but we don't know. >> harry, you were in internal affairs. the fact that three full days went by before the officers are interview, is thattan kmo? >> we are finding it more and more common. they have a pba, attorneys. like this officer, he had two nights of sleep, because it's also taum advertising when you shootd shoot somebody. in new york city when you are involved in shooting you go right to the hospital and you are treated for stress related injury as a result of that because it's -- it's something you really don't want to go through. >> i'm very troubled though by this trend where you have officers waiting two and three days before being interviewed. we saw it in ferguson, all over the country. >> do you think because it allows to them to figure out their story? >> of course.

people's memories fade and witnesses don't make things up but sometimes have memories that are displaced. i don't think it makes a lot of sense to have an officer wait two, three, sometimes a week before giving an account. >> it's also very easy to have somebody also, your attorney, influence you on -- >> absolutely. >> on memory. memory is something that can be manipulated. >> we've talked about. that i'm uncomfortable with that. >> you have the trite do that also. you are afforded the same rights as anybody. >> and have an attorney. >> specials in this environment with police officers. police officers are going to think, i'm not going to say anything because tomorrow they could be pointing the fingers to me. >> police officers want to have time and obtain representation as well. >> i am disturbed by the behavior we saw on this videotape. a kid in college, why is he vandalizing this dealership?

i think there may be more to this story. >> his father said something. he seemed level headed making his comments and the family did, which is good as far as i'm concerned. >> the fact that the fbi has declined to take part in the investigation, does that surprise you at all? >> it does surprise me. i think it is sort of code for, listen, we don't think this is a racial event, don't think his civil rights were violated. if it turns up there was some sort of civil rights violation we'll look at it. but that is the fbi telling people we don't think those are involved. >> arlington police said we want them involved. whether that was politics -- >> a smart thing to say in front of the people in the city to find out what's going on. >> we'll continue to watch what happens. thank you harry and sunny. we'll be right back with more.

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quick look at ferguson, missouri. people gathering on the streets there. the sun now down, as you can see, less than 24 hours after what was a very rough night last night. the hope is tonight will be quieter. stay tuned to cnn throughout the evening tonight for all of the latest on that. there were shots that were fired last night. one protester who is alleged by police to have had a weapon, and fired shots toward plits police. that protester was shot last night. is now in the hospital.

is also facing serious charges. that does it for us. we'll see you again at 11:00 p.m. edition. another edition of 360. thank for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts now. >> trump means never having to say you are sorry. this is cnn tonight i'm don lemon. you heard it here first, the republican front-runner taking a shot at fox news megyn kelly. >> she gets out and starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever, but she was -- in my opinion, she was off base. >> well, that was right here friday night. but donald trump is not backing down. in fact, he says megyn kelly owes him an apology. what is he so angry about? i want you to listen to the exchange from the gop debate that s