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welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your sunday morning. jonathan martin of "the new york times" and cnn. at most state fairs deep-fried and over the top, well, that's part of the tradition. and iowa rarely disappoints. >> a helicopter ride, okay? right? >> a helicopter ride. why not. this 600-pound butter cow seems a tad understated, double it? hillary clinton was on hand for votes too. >> we can get you a good amount of jobs. how does that sound? >> i want one on a stick though. >> everybody wants one on a stick. >> they both skipped one tradition. the des moines soapbox.

bernie sanders stopped by. give him some credit. he commented on the absurdity of the moment. >> there's donald trump. what can we do. i apologize. we left the helicopter at home. it's in the garage. forgot to bring it. >> we all want to have a bernie copter, don't we. we're laughing, having fun. there was some news with all that fun. i'll believe this when i see it. mr. trump says he's prepared to spend as much as $1 billion of his own money and he says he's about to give us more policy specifics including, he says, an immigration plan. >> we're going to keep the families together. we're going to keep them together, but they have to go. >> what if they have no place to go? >> we will work with them. they have to go. we have a country or we don't have a country. >> they've got go. remember an interview a week or so ago, he said they've got to go but then we'll let them back in, the good ones, on an

expedited basis. that's amnesty to most. >> the plan is it's coming and he's working with jeff sessions on it. that suggests he's coming down with a hard-lined plan that went nowhere despite decent vocal support for it. but, again, it shows you once again he's taking a serious step. we didn't think he's run, he did. we didn't think he'd release his financial reports, he did. now he's talking. it does suggest that despite all the sort of eye-rolling we have about it, he is starting to take steps. >> how much do we trust that they're actually his plans that when they release the white paper and the interview there with chuck andover people have went through it, we'll do wit, we'll do it, work with it, get it done, without explaining what agency of the federal government will do it or how much money it will cost taxpayers.

people are buying it so far, but it's a little rough in saying what are you going to do. >> so far he's had benefit of the doubt. people have come to his events because they love his style. they're like, oh, i want to see the person who's the host of the "apprentice." now that we get further sbeer the cycle, i think people are going to be pressing him on the specifics, but the people who have turned up to his rallies n the last two or three vents i went to that he's hosting, people do want to be there because of his celebrity factor. but people down the road say they support him. when da 'do they decide that they're done with the fun and that he's an interesting candidate and when do they decide this is nothing someone i think belongs in the oval office. >> at the moment they're deciding that mr. trump is their front-runner. 22%. walker at 19%. fiorina at 7%. mr. trump is getting a lot of

conservative votes 678 they say he's not one of us, he's a fraud, but he's getting conservative votes plus the outsiders. carson is doing well. let's look at new hampshire. trump is on top. then you go bush, kasich, cruz, fiorina. guys that have titles, kasich, at 12%. let's go to jeb bush. he's at the iowa state far. 5% of the polls. part of his strategy, forget the drama. pat buchanan challenged my dad, john mccain challenged my brother. you had bachmann. he said forget it. let it go away. he made the case, sure my brother invaded iraq, maybe you don't like that, but in the end the surge was working and obama and hillary clinton blew it. >> where was secretary of state clinton during all of this?

like the president himself. she opposed the surge and then joined in claiming the success, then stood by as the allied american forces was thrown away. in all of her record-setting travels, she stopped by iraq exactly once. >> a lot of people make the case, even critics of george w. bush said there was progress and things were in better shape and president obama should have fought to keep more troops there. hillary clinton fired back this week at tiowa state fair that i was your brother. but can the bush make the case that obama and clinton were wrong on iraq? >> that was the million-dollar question. he said, it doesn't matter what my last name is because for now i am the only one that would provide a detailed explanation of what i would do. i think you're right.

it bothers a lot of voters that another bush is talking about it. we'll see. at the end of that speech, he got a standing ovation and he turned to the crowd and he said, would you all mind moving to iowa. hi's got nine staffers on the ground, two officers. that's more than mitt romney had back in the day. that's suggesting they're waiting to see what happens. if they can find some support, they'll definitely go all in. i bet you're right. most of his attention is focused elsewhere. >> in iowa he was on the soapbox pretty much heckled by the crowd. >> that's what he does every day. compared to others, this is something that happens every day. >> to his credit. >> the argument is can a bush make the argument? can this bush? does he have the political agility and skill to make this argument that he's going to obviously have to make going forward? a lot of times he's very

tentative. doesn't seem to have a lot of fluency in these issues. but he's out therearily and he'll have to do it and maybe by january or february he'll be much better at it. >> you wrote a piece on kasich. he's a midwestern candidate. most say i have to worry about the conservative base when i talk about these issues, especially immigration, especially when it's been quick sanded. but listen to john kasich saying i'll keep an open mind. >> i don't know whether i favor it. let's make sure citizens get in legally. that's my view but i'm not going to pound the table on these things and say my way or the highway. >> previously in an interview aet a town hall in derry, he told a voter who stood up on amnesty, he said, look, some of those folks are the most hardest

working god-fearing people i know, talking about immigrants. we've seen this before. he's working to win over the center right crowd in new hampshire because in new hampshire you can get the new hampshire votes and filaffiliat. he can use that as a springboard. it's a risky move but it's one that makes the most sense to him because that's who he is. george w. bush, passionate, conservative, but john mccain, sort of edgy, tell it like it is. as you all know, that can play well. the danger for kasich, is he walks the very line of edgy and toes it and you're kind of worried that maybe at some point if a voter gets in his face, it may not be pretty. >> up next, joe biden, al gore? maybe it's better to ask which prominent democrats are not looking at hillary clinton's

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so why all this talk of other democrats possibly jumping into this 2016 race? let me give you three reasons. number one, hillary clinton is leading in iowa, but she's not running away with it. bernie sanders at 31%. hillary clinton at 50%. number two, look at these numbers. bernie sanders in the lead. joe biden, one of those thinking about getting in. 9%. 12% in iowa. reason number three. 52% of americans at a monmouth university poll said that hillary clinton's e-mail controversy should be criminally investigated. we know the fbi is looking at it. to be fair, we should note this, 82% of republicans have a criminal investigation. a majority of independents having a criminal investigation. only 23% of democrats think this is a big deal. hillary clinton on tough ground

but according to democrats, not so bad. she's either feeling better about the e-mail controversy or understands she needs to try to change the politics of it. as she says she's cooperating fully with the investigation. she said she did nothing wrong. listen to her here in iowa making jokes about it. >> by the way, you may have seen i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves. >> it's interesting and it's risky. you're making jokes about something that is central to your campaign. but it's part of what we saw with a different hillary clinton. very feisty, going after republicans. essentially senling the message, i'm not worrying and to rally the democratic base. >> i,000 it was funny in a clintonesque sort of way. and she was talking about jeb bush and she mistakenly called him george.

she said, you know, sometimes i get confused. oh, well. she'll probably get confused again and use that same line. i think overall some troubling signs that you have democrats sort of lightly panicking, but that's what democrats do. it's in their dna to sort of be nervous and worry. but if you look at, i think, the entirety of her week starting off with the college aid, which is really big not only with the young folks but also with independent women, i thought that was good. and in her showing in iowa, she seemed relaxed. she was in the crowd. she didn't do that rope line thing she did before with reporters, which was a disaster. we'll see. >> is it the democratic dna? because nia is exactly right. democrats tend to panic a little more. we know joe biden is looking seriously at it. people around al gore said, no, no, no. >> it was a few hours long. >> although i can tell you from personal experience, al gore and hillary clinton not exactly

soulmates. >> joe bide season not exactly a fan of the clintons. >> is there any democrat who has looked at her poll numbers or looked in the mirror? >> that's great question. the democrats who look at her, they're looking at her at her worst point in her life asking themselves how could i have gotten in this thing. i think the answer is probably not. for all of her challenges, she still has remarkable strengths in terms of her party, her money. also keep in mind the possibility of making money as the first female president for her is a really key asset. i think she looks vulnerable this summer, but she's got underlying strengths that can get lost in the day to day. >> before we jump in, let me get to this, which i think is telling about her week, where she's trying to prove i'm a warrior and i will be tough. maybe you're thinking bernie

sanders or joe biden, but in the end, you're going to be with many me, and that's okay. >> i know most of the attention these days is on a certain flamboyant front-runner, but don't let the circus distract you. if you look at their policies, most of the other candidates are just trump without the pizzazz or the hair. >> that's not a bad line. but she's not very charismatic. look. she's a serious sober public servant who's driven by policy chiefly, cares about policy ideas, and is not going to flourish in a way like her husband or barack obama has done at the sort of stagecraft of politics. the harder she tries, it can be a challenge. >> what's happening to her in new hampshire, you look deep into the poll number, not that she's falling behind bernie

sanders, but 35% of the people are excited about her. this is by far the front-runner, but people are not excited about her. can she draw literally tens of thousands of people that turn up? she's just not. >> i was at that sanders ralliy monday night and talked to a lot of them. what about hillary? if they have to do it, they'll hold their nose. they're like -- >> she's also not new. she's not new. people are looking new. they're looking at trump, carson, sanders, and she's not new. >> and she was never great at drawing those crowds. even in 2008, obama outpaced her very much so in terms of those crowds but ultimately a state like pennsylvania, he would get 35,000. she still won that state by 10 in that primary. >> like jeb bush, she is hoping to ride out the drama, everything will go away, and in the end she'll have a general election. tomorrow's news is next. we get you out ahead of the big political news just around the corner. can save you up to 50% on ink,

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let's head around the "inside politics" table anded a a note or two. >> scott walker on tuesday in minnesota will unveil his alternative to obama care. this comes, of course, not only as walker's campaign is

teetering but also at a moment when unsure americans is at a low. he'll unveil a plan talking about expanding affordability, expanding choices and eliminating waste in health care. we'll see what kind of traction he gets from this and also puts the onus on other candidates who want to repeal obamacare, what is the alternative? >> i was going to say it's great thing when candidates get specific, god forbid. >> but a big michigan donor is going to be staging a big education summit wednesday in new hampshire, sort of entering the fray of some of these super i do nors. she has a big crowd coming. a combination of a hot issue on the right, which is education and vouchers, a big donor in a key state. >> and more substance. amen for that again. here's something bill

clinton said this week that actually didn't get a lot of pickup. he said there's not a single piece of evidence to show when he revealed it that it helped the financial line. this is going to haunt hillary clinton when she talks tough on wall street and big banks, she has a president and someone who said i propose it will not lead to a financial crisis. she'll have to answer that. they're holding up the posters. >> bill clinton not always an asset, you're saying? >> not always. >> in addition to the education forum, jeb bush is going to keep the focus on national security. of course, he's gotten a lot of criticism from members of both parties on the speech he gave on iraq, but in talking to some foreign policy experts, they point out a lot of what he is proposing is pretty mainstream and bipartisan.

they point to an op-ed in the "washington post" last week written by a possible defense secretary under hillary clinton and richard fontaine. they propose helping out the sunnis more directly, embedding forces with iraqi security forces going after isis, and then a new global campaign against isis. guess, who else is proposing that. jeb bush. so they point out that, you know, while he's getting a lot of flack for this right now, the eventual democratic nominee might be proposing the same thing, so smart of him to get out in front. >> you mean you don't just have to blow up the oil fields? >> no. >> never mind. aisle close with this. more conversation on joe biden's deliberations about whether or not to run in 2016. even though he's not sure what he's going to decide. he may return to washington and say, never mind, i thought about it, i'm not going to run. or he may mull it over. as he does, these are some

calculations. the vch has been told it will be hard but not imfob pull together a solid campaign team. he's been told he should think first of an iowa to nevada strategy figuring after the first four, he would know whether he could topple hillary clinton from a front-runner strategy or whether it would end in disappointment like the first two and that a campaign through nevada would cause 25, 30, to 100. as in roughly $25 million to $30 million in hard money for the smaller donations and then another $100 million for a super pac. he's been told october 1st is considered by most of his top advisers is the latest to wait to decide whether to get in. there is a joke among close biden providers that he should wait until the morning of october 13th and then show up for a debate for the first night in nevada. don't count on it but it's fun to talk about it. that's it for "inside politics.

we'll see you next sunday. "state of the union" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com arriving in style. donald trump drops by the iowa state fair in his helicopter and leaves more insults in his wake. >> when they give $5 million to jeb, they have him just like a puppet. he'll do whatever they want. he is their puppet. >> can anyone slow trump wn? i'll ask mike huckabee. plus, john kasich. the come-from-behind candidate now surging. >> i am having so much fun. >> is he giving jeb bush heartburn? then gore 2016? biden for president? we go inside the democratic draft movement. why the left is so hungry for a hillary alternative. and the best political team in television will be here with insights from the campaign trail.