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>> thanks for spending your sunday with us. it starts right now. >> this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. >> today we will tackle the united states's four big foreign policy challenges. iran, iraq, china, and russia. we will start the show with iran. last week you heard president obama make his case for the deal. >> that's not just good for the united states. that is very good for israel. >> today israel's ambassador to the united states makes the case against. >> we believe this threatens the survival of israel.
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>> china's currency is falling and world markets are trembling. why? i talked with the former ambassador to china and john huntsman. then why the world is russia destroying hundreds of tons of food when its own people are struggling to get by? finally a harvard law professor is running for president. really. he will explain why. but first here's my take. it's in the form of a letter. hear senator schumer. when you announced your decision to vote against the agreement with iran, you explained your
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reasons in a 1,700 word statement that is thoughtful in substance and civil in tone. yet in the end i found it unpersuasive. i believe that the agreement is fraught. but it is the most intrusive demanding and comprehensive set of inspections verification protocol and snap back measures ever. you set out three sets of objectives that i will get to and you fail to take note of what must happen at the out set before iran gets any sanctions released. they must destroy 98% of enriched uranium. remove and store 2/3 including all advanced and terminate all enrichment at the nuclear facility and render the key components of the plutonium. all the steps must be completed to the satisfaction of the international atomic energy
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agency. it's difficult to imagine that a serious military campaign against iran would set back the nuclear program as well much as this deal does at the out set. the first objections are about the inspections and sanctions. you argue that the inspections are not any time, anywhere, and have a 24-day delay that is troubling. but all of iran's known nuclear facilities would be subject to any time, anywhere monitoring. as for new suspicious sites, what opponents of the deal have done is add up all the time limits and claim that the inspections will occur only after a 24-day pause. this is not true. should they camp the iranians red handed and it might be that they would drag things out as long as possible. in such a case the game to be over. you argue that the sanctions is
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cumbersome. what i am looking at is the first mechanism for the automatic reimposition of sanctions ever create and they can be triggered by washington. you argue that the united states might prefer to restore sanctions in part and that other countries may not go a wlong this, but the fact that washington could snap back all sanctions is extraordinary leverage that it could get other countries to agree with a position of multilateral sanctions. the second objection is that after 15 years of sanctions, iran would be stronger financially and better able to advance a robust nuclear program. let's be clear. iran is going to get sanctions relief no matter what. the international sanctions against iran were put in place by other countries solely to get a nuclear deal. none would go along with
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extending the sanctions given that iran produced what they all regard as an acceptable agreement. they said as much. your final objection is that iran would use some of the newly freed up resources to redouble efforts to create more trouble in the mideast. that might be true, but the deal does not stop the united states and allies from countering the activities as they do today. your basic conclusion is that if one thinks iran will moderate, one should approve the agreement. if one feels that the leaders will not moderate, should conclude it would be better not to approve this agreement. this is the most puzzling and frankly illogical part of the case. if iran remains a rogue state, all the more reason to put nuclear program on a leash. rejecting the deal would result in an iran that ramps up the nuclear program without inspections or constraints with sanctions unraveling and an
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america that is humiliated and isolated in the world. i respectfully urge you to reconsider your position. for more, go to cnn.com/f arare. let's get started. >> you just heard my take on the merits of the iran deal, but you heard all sides. let us hear from one of the chief opponents. ron is israel's ambassador to the united states. prior to being named, he was a senior adviser or the senior adviser to benjamin netanyahu. welcome. >> good to be with you. >> so what the iranians say is that if the deal falls through, they will resume their nuclear program. what the europeans are saying publicly if the deal is
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rejected, the sanctions will unravel. why is that a good scenario for the security? >> i don't think it's true. one of the two things can't happen. if iran goes ahead, think about what happens in the real world. if iran decides to continue the program which it was doing in october of 2013 before the interim agreement was signed, it will not come into compliance. it will be no implementation. >> they have nobody signing the agreement. >> in the real world if iran decides to go ahead, there will be no implementation. the sanctions will stay. it means all the u.s. sanctions will stay. it's hard for me to see european companies that will decide do business and turn themselves away from the economy. we don't believe they will break out.
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they will go under the red line that they perceive that the international community will act against. you will not have a situation where iran does not comply with the agreement and the sanctions and regime unravels. that can't happen. >> let me ask you. >> how does that happen in the real world. i don't get it. the u.s. sanctions stays. >> sanctions are leaky. they don't always abide by them de facto. nobody i know in the u.s. intelligence that they have done more than debay by a year or two. why he has been wrong?
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he has been focusing on the issue for 20 years. >> in two years they will get the ball going. >> look at the facts and look at what he said. i have been with the for 15 years. i know exactly what he said over those 15 years. i can't account for the five years before. they said there was a certain period and it could be two years or four years. had the united states and israel done nothing over 15 years, they would have had a bomb ten years ago. they worked together to prevent iran from becoming a nuclear power and we should continue to work to prevent iran from having a capability. this deal closes the nuclear not by blocking the path, but seating a nuclear arsenal at best delaying it for a few years. >> the biggest problem with the strategy is you are alienating the obama administration and
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washington. isn't it true that no matter what happens for israel's security, a close relationship with washington is essential. you are taking a position that it's at odds with the obama administration. do you worry about that? >> the prime minister of israel and ahead of the coalition is real security. as to your question, the leadership no question that this is the most important relationship in the world. on the most important priority, that's a big deal. the survival is a big deal. they threaten the survival of israel. even with the best of friends, we are making our case and made it to president obama and for a long time. we are making it to all those senators and congressman who will decide the fate of this deal in congress. we are telling them this is a bad deal that endangers the security. i want to be clear.
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when the president of the united states and secretary of state john kerry say they believe this deal is better for america and better for israel, i have no doubt they are being sincere. we just disagree with their judgment. we think it will endanger israel's security. this view is shared by the and the head of the opposition by 30 oust 33 members of the defense committee. moses did not have the numbers. >> they disagree. >> we are a jewish state. there were a lot of opinions and we are a democracy. we are not unanimous on anything. the overwhelming majority, all the security establishment that is responsible for the security of the country and the political leadership of the country, both believe this is a bad deal. you know this to be true. our concerns are shared. they see this deal the same way we do. >> let me ask you about american troops.
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49 former generals and admirals signed a letter supporting the deal. i was struck by one of them. she supports this deal. my question is, is it possible to be deeply pro israel and strongly in favor of this? >> sure. of course. it's possible to be deeply pro american and be opposed to this deal. i think it's important as i say to not question the sincerity of those people who support the deal to not question the sincerity and pose people who oppose it. about two out of three americans oppose this because they know iran has been at war with america for 36 years and declares they will continue. they held americans hostage and blown upbear actions and in the 1990s they were blowing up and responsible for the murder and maiming of thousands in
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afghanistan. there is good reason why most americans are opposed to this deal. >> pleasure to have you on. israel's ambassador to the united states. i will talk to a former ambassador and john huntsman. he is a former presidential candidate and ask him about the manipulation of currency and about the donald. no artificial flavors,
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still later in the week. business got a lot harder for big western companies and apple iphone got pricier for a chinese consumer and pricier still by friday. donald trump is furious. >> china devaluing their currency so they did it again to us today, folks. >> but many reasonable people are worried as well. about the state of the second largest economy and of the government's ability to manage it. let me bring in the former ambassador to chine a john huntsman who also ran for the nomination for president in 2012. welcome, john. >> thank you and it's a pleasure to be with you. >> me first, why do you think the markets reacted as longly as they did about this devaluation.
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>> as you mentioned, you will have a higher cost burden on the exports from the united states to asia and to one of the largest exports to say nothing of the impact it will have. to look at the immediate impact it will have on currencies in malaysia, indonesia and vietnam, it is creating a firestorm and you get that chinese economy that is slowing and it means that china is moving away from the models it had and doing more to the state control. is this going to have an impact on global growth and for example, you already see the
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prices of commodities and oil have gone down presumably because china's demand has slowed down. >> they are hit by very low commodity prices right now by exceedingly high inventories. by a population of 4 billion people who need to spend more and consume more. it's very difficult to get your population to invest more in the future when you lost 25% of the value of the shanghai stock exchanges and people who have more over very little belief in the long-term strength and well being of your economy. the challenge is how do you navigate this basket of reforms that you know are probably necessary for the country, but short-term you have a messaging problem and that is how do you convince the consumer class in
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china which soon will be the largest consumer class the world has known. they need to spend and invest more at a time when all of the indicators would suggest it's not a smart thing to do. >> i have to ask you, you must be watching this republican primary with interest and amusement. you have been through this before. what was your reaction to the debate? what did you think about well? >> amusement to be sure. there is a bit of entertainment value here. i have to say that for all of the negative commentary that the republican bench is deep. it's well-populated and the candidates believe in big, bold ideas and believe in reform. i think that kind of conversation is desperately needed in this country and will create the race to the top that america is waiting for. >> what are do you make of the phenomenon of donald trump. >> well, this is where we are.
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i have to tell you that having been involved in the last election cycle, personally invested in it as a candidate, people are angry. they are very angry at the political class. they have been angry for two or three election cycles. what trump represents is the ultimate loud brash big protest. it doesn't matter that he doesn't have policy proposals. it doesn't matter that he's not as glib and presentable as the po fegz professional politician. he embodies the anger and the disgust that so many have about politi politics. he will either perform well or crash and burn and with it you will see implications in terms of how the republican party is
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able to hold together as a single party without fracturing overtime which could be a result of all of this. depending on how things go. >> sobering and intelligent as always. >> a pleasure being with you. >> the soviets used to talk about destroying america and the west. now they have to make do by destroying food from the united states and the west. i will explain this odd and tragic turn of events when we come back. it's a fact. kind of like shopping hungry equals overshopping. i'm why? because it's red lobster's crabfest. and there's so much crab, so many ways. and with dishes like this luscious crab lover's dream or savory snow crab bake. i'm just getting started so hurry in and get crackin'
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>> now for our what in the world segment. russian president vladimir putin declared a war on cheese. after he issued a presidential decree, a mound was destroyed by a bulldozer. authorities also incinerated giant loads of bacon and destroyed peaches and tomatoes. in all, hundreds of tons of food have been eliminated in russia. what in the world is going on? russia had banned most foods from the european union, the
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united states and others retaliating against the sanctions the nations imposed after russia's bad behavior in ukraine. some of those goods were still getting into the country. putin declared a crack down ordering the destruction of such food to be film and photographed to make his point. all of this made for entertaining political theater and putin probably thinks it makes him look powerful, but in reality russia and putin have serious problems. as nick butler pointed out in an excellent financial times piece, russia's economy is in big trouble because of the dependence on selling oil to survive. according to trading economics, between a fifth and a fourth of the gdp comes from the oil. in other words, it's the major mover in the russian economy. meanwhile, oil prices plummeted
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over 50% in a little more than a year. russia's economy is forecast to drop 3.5% because of that free fall he points out. what's more, the global supply is still growing at a break neck pace. so russia's oil-dependent economy is not likely to get a break any time soon. despite the bravado and the recent power in ukraine, this period in history might be one of the low points. butler's article points to a new book called restless empire that features maps showing the vast reach over the years. today russia is weaker than it has been at almost any time in the last 300 years, the book observes. to add insult to injury, they are one of the least popular nations in the world. in a recent survey, just 30% of
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non-russians viewed russia favorably. 24% had confidence that president putin would do the right thing in world affairs. while putin remains popular at home, many are outraged by his war given that there plenty of people who need food in russia. food prices have spiked by 20% in the last year. russia's poverty ready climbed by 5% in one year. an online petition urging the government to end the campaign has 350,000 signatures. mr. putin would be wise to listen. he should channel frustration into fixing russia's fundamentally flawed economy rather than taking it out on pieces of fruit. next on gps, my next guest wants to take the money out of politics. what is he going to do about it? run for president and crowd sources campaign.
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my next guest is mad and he's not going to take it anymore. he is angry about the current state of american elections and how they are funded. he said our representative democracy is decidedly unrepresented. it is rig and until we unrig it, no reform is possible. what is he going to do about it? run for president. maybe. depending on how much money he can crowd source. i will let him explain. he is a professor of law and leadership at the harvard law school and a popular ted talker totalling more than four million views and counting. let me ask you, what do you think of the current presidential campaign. you have been watching it. >> sometimes when i let myself engage in a state of disbelief, i am excited.
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the bold ideas that are being spoken of and how we address it are the kinds of solutions we need. then i am woken up to the reality that these ideas that they are talking about cannot happen until we address the rigged system first. so, climate change legislation will not be passed in the united states until we address this corrupt system for funding campaigns first. >> explain why. >> we have set up the most unequal corrupt system for funding anywhere in the world, i think in a democracy like ours and equivalent to what we had 100 years ago. members of congress and candidates for congress and candidates for the president are spending all of their time raising money from a tiny, tiny fraction of us. "new york times" had an recall finding they contributed half the money so far.
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we have run in the south, they used to run the white primary where only whites were allowed to vote. we created the green primary where only funders get to vote and who will have the money necessary to run the campaigns. >> the public perception is with you. the "wall street journal" poll asked what is the leading issue concerning voters in the upcoming election and what was it? >> it was this issue, the influence of big money and the elections. the same thing they found 84 percents are of americans that thought this issue and the money and elections was an important problem. the problem is that people are so cynical and skeptical. >> we have to find a way to fix the rig system first. that means a plan that would have a mandate powerful enough to stand up to congress and
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fight for this idea against the most powerful interest we have in our democracy. if elected, i will stay as president as long as it takes to get this fundamental reform passed and once it is passed, i would step aside and the elected vice president would fill out the term and could run for reelection. the mandate i would have would be as strong as any mandate could possibly be. it's not one of eight different issues. it's the only issue. >> what is the reform? what would you do? >> the essence of the reform is to decorrupt, uncorrupt the system. make it so we are equal citizens again. the one i care the most about is to change the way we fund elections. no longer is it the typy few at the front of the line and the rich billionaires and millionaires who get the attention, but all citizens are represented equally. that's not the only inequality. gerrymandering takes huge chunks
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and makes them irrelevant because they are minority parties in a safe majority seat. that should be addressed as well. that's blank two and the schemes for making it difficult for people to vote by and they are unjustified in the equality of systems. these three force us to recognize that we have lost the commitment of a representative democracy and the consequences of a government that can't do anything. this is not a philosophical or theoretical problem. this is practical as mud. our government can't govern. until we confront that and accept the fact that we have to find a way to fix it and talk about what we are going to do to fix it rather than playing the fantasy politics game, we are not going to have the ability to govern. >> the reason nothing can get
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done is you can talk a good game, but once you get in, congress is so beholden to a small special interest that will veto all these things. >> that's right. i'm from the left and i care about things like climate change and legislation and taking on wall street. when you listen to the candidates talking about taking on wall street, this is the largest contributor to congressional campaigns. you can't begin to take them on until you change the way elections are funded. >> if your plan goes as you hope and you do end up president and preside over the reforms and lead, it sounds like the very consequential choice you will make is who will be your vice president. he or she will serve out your term. >> this is two for the price of one. the judgment has got in the who can make it possible for this ticket, this very unique referendum president and a vice president to win the votes necessary to prevail in the
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general election. >> describe the crowd sourcing. how likely is it that you will fix your target and how will it work? >> we set a million goal by labor day. that was 27 days much the first day we raised $150,000. $125,000. that means we are about 1/8 of the way in the first day. we are pretty optimistic we will be able to hit the goal. >> best of luck. >> thank you. >> next up on gps, you can't destroy isis without first fixing iraq. is iraq actually working on solving some of its problems. that's the big news. we will dig in when we come back. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula... to work on fine lines and even deep wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®. the uncertainties i don't wantof hep c.with or wonder...
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>> defeating isis is a priority for the united states and the world. after all isis controls large
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swaths of two countries, both of which are disastrous. syria is in the midst of an actual civil war and iraq has been in the low grade for the better portion of the last 12 years. this week surprising many, iraq's prime minister made what is hopefully the first of many efforts aimed at bringing his country back together with a series of reforms that would as the "new york times" so eloquently put it, radically reshaped the political system of iraq that has been entrunched since the american-led invasion in 2003. let's bring in two people who know iraq and its problems very well. the third highest ranking civilian during president obama's first term. she was under consider for the pop job and the ceo and cofounder for the center of the new american security. dexter is a staff writer and reported extensively for iraq during the wa are and the author
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of the excellent book the forever war. so dexter, you have been in and out of iraq even just as recently as last year. will this work? >> i'm pessimistic about it. the iraqi state is broken in three pieces. there is the shiite and the kurdish part. they are leaving. and the sunni part i think is irreparably broken. trying to knit that together, i don't see it happening. if there was a sense of national feeling somewhere other than the prime minister's office, he is a serious guy and i would be hopeful about it. we built an iraqi army at incredible expense. billions of dollars. it fell apart and the moment that isis swept in from syria, they pushed on it and it fell apart. >> it fell apart because the
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sunnis just don't feel that they want to go to war in favor of the baghdad government. many of them chose isis. >> exactly. they have been so alienated by the shia majority and particularly by the prime minister. it's a shame we didn't get a body ten years ago. when we more or less installed maliki. there is no national feeling. it's gone. i don't think it exists anywhere. what are they going to do at the end of the day? >> you wrote a very tough paper, i thought, given that you are a former very senior obama official arguing that the current effort against isis is not working and incrementalism. what you seem to be supporting is a recognition that iraq is broken. and frankly a kind of
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three-pronged strategy where you say outreach to the sunni tribes in other words create a self standing sunni army that will fight isis and provide arms and aid to the shiite government and its army and the kurdish government and its army. is that a fair reading? you have a little bit about supporting the iraqi integration. >> i think we argued in our paper that the president's strategy has a lot of the right elements, but not being pursued with adequate urgencey and not properly resourced. the most important piece of this aside from the military steps that we can and should take is making the shia leaders in baghdad not only a body, but especially those behind him. to understand that unless they figure out a way to reinclude the sunnis by devolving more authority and resources to the provinces, they risk losing iraq
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as a unitary state. they risk having they risk having it split. and unless they understand that, they've got to understand that to be able to make the political compromises that are necessary. without that, there are no series of military steps that can really make a difference. with that, additional support from the united states to the kurds and the sunnis and the iraqi security forces could make a big difference. the question is will the sunnis stand up and fight to reclaim sunni areas. and again, i think they need the reassurance first that they're fighting for a different political future, that things will change in bagdad and they will be re-included. second, that the united states will back them up, that they can count on us to help provide the support they need to be successful. those are two big ifs. >> that is the crucial part i think that michele talked about. will the sunnis fight to reclaim sunni areas. isis is a phenomenon that is because of sunnis of iraq and
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syria feel disempowered, isis has come in. >> yes. >> let's deal with iraq for the moment. will they fight isis, reclaim the areas, and make it part of iraq? >> i -- it's hard to say, but there isn't a lot of evidence that they will. and i think, you know, if you look at, for instance, what -- if you just take the prospect of what happens next, what is the iraqi government doing militarily to push isis back, they want to go into ramadi, which is now held by isis or fallujah or mosul. what will they go in with? they'll go in with the iraqi army which is basically a collection of shiite militias. that's what it is. that's seen as an occupying army. that's not a prescription for reintegration. again, we can cobble together a bunch of sunni tribes and put them on the payroll, and that's basically what -- that helped turn the war back in 2008 when
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the united states was trying to get out. but that's not a permanent solution. and i just don't -- i don't see it. >> michele, what do you say to that fatalism? >> well, it's hard to be optimistic about iraq, but i am not quite as fatalistic. the question is whether this recent set of protests and this moment, with the support of the religious leader creates an opportunity for him to push those reforms through and give the sunnis the prospect of a different future in iraq. that is the only way that they will stand up and fight, that plus the assurances from the united states that we'll be behind them. but absent that, i agree. you're not going to see much progress. >> in any event, i think everyone agrees this is the crucial issue, to see whether these reforms work and whether the sunnis can be brought back into the fold. thank you both very much. next on "gps," you have heard of the red planet, you all know about the red sea, but i bet you are not familiar with a nation called the red dot. when we come back, we'll tell
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this week more than four years after the fukushima nuclear disaster japan's nuclear power reactor was brought back online. the move ended a two-year period without any nuclear power in the land of the rising sun. it brings me to my question of the week. what country generates the most nuclear energy? france? china? the united states? or germany? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book is "the business of america is lobbying," by a senior fellow at new america. if you were struck as i was by lawrence lessig's commentary on the influence of money in american politics and you want to learn more, you will want to read this book. it lays out the details in an eye-opening way. now for the last look. last weekend the little red dot celebrated its 50th birthday
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with pomp and circumstance. the red dot you say? yes. that's the insult that has become a point of pride for singapore. let me explain. it is said that in the 1990s an indonesian leader dismissed the city-state as a little red dot on the map. that phrase transformed into a motto of sorts as reuters points out. the organizers of the event say the dot, seen all over the city, symbolizes singapore's big status as a tiny nation. and this little country has certainly surprised in many ways. singapore is not a western-style liberal democracy. the current ruling party has been in power for the entirety of its independent statehood. when you look at the numbers singapore comes out on top of the united states in a variety of categories. life expectancy, higher in singapore. unemployment, lower in singapore. freedom from corruption, better in singapore according to the right wing heritage foundation.
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education better with higher oec ratings in math, reading and science. i could go on. singapore doesn't win in every category. press freedom, worse. freedom overall worse according to freedom house. gum chewing, worse in singapore. yes. buying chewing gum is banned in singapore still. actually some might say that's better. how did this little country that is less free than america do better in so many ways? it's why singapore is so fascinating and worth studying. but this week, let's just celebrate its very real achievements. happy birthday, singapore. the correct answer to our "gps" challenge question is c, the united states. the u.s., with its 100 nuclear reactors provides more than 30% of the world's nuclear generation, according to the world nuclear association. and it accounts for 19% of the electricity to power america's grid.
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france has the highest percentage of its power generated by nuclear at about 75%. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. happening right now in the newsroom, an indonesian airliner gone missing, now believed to have crashed into a mountainside. >> mountains in this area top out well above 10,000, even 13,000 feet. >> rescuers hoping to resume their search after bad weather forced them to quit. plus -- >> i felt like pierce brosnan in "dante's peak." i was literally outrunning flames at 60 miles an hour. >> wildfires ravaging the west. thousands of people forced to evacuate as firefighters try to beat back the flames. and north korea threatening the u.s. with,