>> that's the question. and obviously that's why you are talking to legal analysts along the way as all the questions continue to be answered and the story unfolds. >> thank you. see you back here at 10:00 for another sure of "newsroom." i'm michael smerconish. sweet home alabama. >> wow, wow, wow! unbelievable. unbelievable! >> donald trump unveiled his southern strategy last night by drawing tens of thousands to an alabama football stadium. mr. trump showed the depth of his support. is he channeling pat buchanan? plus, charles barkley will be here. sir charles unplugged. maybe unplugged from the democratic party. and mayhem in the financial markets. wall street's worst week in years. what is happening? and could it affect the 2016

presidential race? the trump juggernaut headed south. the feature that usually showcases "friday night football" is showing strength among republicans. many respond to trump's message on immigration. >> support these amendments, i was right on it, you can do something with it and you can do something fast. you can do something fast. so we have 300,000 babies a year, 300,000 that you have to take care of, we all have to take care of, and you know in the case of other countries, including mexico, they don't do that. it doesn't work that way. >> donald trump has run a campaign like nothing we have seen before, or have we? he's often been compared to

herman cane or michele bachmann, but maybe the real compareson should be to pat buchanan in 1996 and 1992. that's what jonathan chaffe believes, he said he's pat buchanon redux, and that's bad. what is parallel to buchanan is his style. listen to the way he described the year's democratic convention. >> we are 20,000 liberals and radicals came dressed up as moderates and centerists in the greatest single exhibition of cross-dressing in american political history! >> that was pat buchanan 23 years ago. that's funny, i remember exactly where i was when i watched that speech. and he joins me now. patrick, thank you so much for being here. is trump taking a page out of your playbook? >> i think he certainly is an

outsider insurgent the way i was in 1992 and 1996. and he's also taken the issue of immigration and unfair trade deals that robbed the country of jobs and investment. and he's riding the issues extremely well. the difference is, donald trump is far, far ahead of where i was. >> how so? >> in thele wh ll polls he's ruo to three in front of the republicans in the national party. in 1992 i did well against president bush but we never had the massive enormous crowds that donald trump is getting or the enormous coverage he's receiving or the poll numbers he's got right now. look, donald trump as of right now is pretty much the favorite for the republican nomination in 2016. >> i want to show you something that jeb bush said this week because the terminology being used in the immigration debate

is becoming a touching point. >> did you use the term anchor baby on the radio yesterday? >> yes. >> do you regret using that term? >> no, i don't. give me a better term and i'll use it. don't yell at me behind my ear, though. >> anchor baby -- >> what's the proper word choice? >> anchor baby. what you mean is people come into the country in san diego, places like that, 22% of the people come in illegally. they have their baby here and give them automatic citizenship to give them all kinds of benefits. michael, political correctness is killing this country. i think there's nothing demeaning about anchor baby because it anchors the family in

the united states. it's a child of an illegal alien who broke into the country and the law. nothing wrong with the baby -- >> i don't think they mean that it anchors the family. >> it certainly does! >> i think it means they dropped an anchor here just to have a baby. that's the way people interpret it. >> that's not the way -- look, that's not the way i interpret it. let me say this, michael, what you're doing, with due respect, is just why the people detest the media. he's got a valid point. it's a tremendous issue. people are upset by it and the media are saying, why did you use those two words? what is the matter with this country given the crises we are in? people are running around asking if the verbiage is politically right or not. >> pat, we have known each other for a long time. the wall street journal on friday, a lead editorial born in the usa said, what happened to republicans? didn't they believe in

exceptionalism? yes, the 14th amendment is exceptional. are they ditching that? >> first, "the wall street journal" has been a horrible influence on the republican party on the issue of immigration. you have to get control of this, the borders in this country, deal with the policy and donald trump, but the part about stopping that, it isn't in the 14th amendment. >> let me crunch numbers with you, because mitt romney's pollster pointed out to win 51% of the vote in this cycle, the republican candidate, if the trends stay the same, is going to need 64% of the white vote. well, the problem is that romney and mccain got 59% and 55% respectfully. there aren't enough whites only to win a presidential race for the republican party if they don't expand the tent, they will be a party of controlling the house but not the white house. >> all right, look, let's take donald trump.

his appeal to hispanics in america, even some african-americans when barack obama is no longer on the ballot, is going to be whether he can deal with an economy which just saw a 500-point drop in the dow on the last day of this week. these are the issues. he's up against bernie sanders and there's the possibility given hillary's trouble, you don't think donald trump couldn't beat bernie sanders? when the judge tells the fbi to start looking at hillary's server to see if she's telling the truth, the lady is in real trouble and getting lawyered up. if something happens to her and the indictment loses her security clearance, who steps in for the democratic party? >> patrick, joe biden, probably, right? >> if he steps in and shoves hillary aside, how do you think american women will react to joe biden? >> patrick, i want to play for you something that happened on my radio show on friday. a truck driver from texas called and here's a piece of our conversation. willen een you listen to this.

>> here's why he'll win, people, the wages are stagnant. one of the reasons why the wages are stagnant is because of illegal immigration. big companies are gonna pay low wages for people that are not even citizens and they will get away with it. the immigrants years ago, when they came in to this country they built their roads, their schools, their churches, their houses. they built the subways, they built the railroads and they obeyed the laws, they assimilated they learned the english language and they paid their taxes. >> overlooking the global technological changes -- >> you have 31.3 million people who have come into this country in the last 30 to 40 years who are immigrants now legal and illegal. most of them are unskilled, many of them have no skills or semi-skilled or some of them

skilled, don't tell me that doesn't depress wages of american workers. secondly, the trade deals that donald trump is hitting, what do you think about the first decade with 6 million manufacturing jobs disappearing. what we have predicted has come to pass. i'm not saying donald trump will be the next president of the united states, but i do think there's a possibility. what is driving that is the anger of the american people and what they have failed to do in the capital city. >> but i'm suggesting to you that the gentleman who was nice enough to call my radio program, his anger is misplaced. it's not the 11 million who are here illegally who are depressing his wages. it's all the other factors that are at work. >> you're telling me that 40 million people from countries all over the world, third world countries, haven't had anything to do with that? and you're telling me the export of our factories through the lousy trade deals --

>> i'm saying tom freeman has it real when he says the world is flat and the world dynamics have changed. here's what some of the things my friend pat buchanan is saying. these are some of the things that my ancestors said in the 1920s by the wasps. >> my ancestors came here, and after they got here by 1925, michael, we had a time-out of 40 years so we could assimilate and americanize all the kids and grandkids of those people. so that by the kennedy and eisenhower years, we were one united america. what we are becoming is what theodore roosevelt warned us about, saying it would be the end of the country. if we become a boardinghouse for the world. i don't want that, i don't think donald trump wants that, and i hope michael smerconish doesn't want that. >> the next time you come here, let us know what pat buchanan knows about the issue, okay? >> i'm getting older.

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nba hall of famer charles barkley is famous for not pulling punches when talking sports. now he's moving to the political arena. barkley says he's seriously thinking about converting to the gop. so whose team might he join? sir charles is here right now. charles, last night the donald was in your native alabama and drew a large crowd. what do you make of the trump phenomenon? >> well, i think it's -- anytime the media is going to follow who is hot. he's got a great personality and great charisma, so that's going to be media-driven. there's nothing happening right now that surprises me. >> he's a straight talker like charles barlkley, is there some

appeal for you? >> i normally vote democratic but they don't have a candidate to get my juices flowing. there's only a few democrats i would vote for and neither are running. i like elizabeth warren but she's not going to run. but right now i'm leaning towards governor kasich from ohio. just looking and listening to him on television and reading a couple articles about him, he's the one who has my attention right now. he's the frontrunner for me, for me. >> you say that normally you look at the top of the democratic ticket but nobody is getting your juices flowing. what's the issue with hillary? why isn't hillary clinton getting charles barkley's juices flowing for this campaign? >> well, you know, she just doesn't have the "it" factor. first of all, i think she's a terrific lady and wish her nothing but the best, but i don't worry too much about the party. the only reason i have not been

a big believer in the republican party in the past, i think they divide and conquer. for the last amount of years they have been using the abortion debate, now in the last few elections they have been using the gay marriage things and those aren't working. now they are pulling out the other ace in the hole which is immigration. i think there's a disservice in this country to act that they are all illegal and not law-abiding citizens. live in arizona. is there a problem with immigration? there probably is a problem with it, but to act like immigration is the biggest problem in this country is a disservice to hispanics. >> so in regard to secretary of state hillary clinton, you say you're not feeling it. she's lacking some kind of pizazz that charles barkley is looking for. >> first thing, i don't like using the term republican or democrat or conservative or liberal. i want somebody who is going to inspire me to want to go out and

campaign for them, talk to my friends about them. but right now i'm not getting that from the democratic party. like i say, governor kasich from ohio, just listen to him. he talks about being inclusive. because what politics really are, there's a certain amount of people going to vote democratic, a certain amount of people are going to vote republican. you have to try to manipulate a 5% to 7% and go one way or the other. and the republicans have always used negativity. like i say, when there was gay marriage or abortion, now it's immigration. and that's the problem i've always had with the republican party. >> i'm going to talk about governor kasich and the republicans in one second, just one final question on the d's, what about bernie sanders? or what if joe biden gets into this? >> well, you know, bernie sanders has not inspired me yet, to be honest with you. no disrespect. and i say, i need somebody -- i'm going to campaign with this

guy, i'm going to tell my friends i like this guy. and that's no disrespect to senator clinton or mr. sanders. joe biden, he seems like a really nice man. he's a person that is like my grandfather type, but i would be concerned about his age, to be honest with you. >> so kasich is a guy you're looking at. i take it you watched the debate and said kasich has some star power. >> no, i saw him do a sit-down interview on cnn with dana bash and talked about being inclusive. he talked about young black kids and giving them an opportunity. his idea of being a conservative is being inclusive. most of the quote/unquote conservatives have attack and blame. it's already somebody else's fought why people aren't doing better. it's kind of like the black lives matter campaign.

black lives matter but you can't go to a rally and scream. you have to come up with a plan. the black and hispanic vote are very powerful. and we have to band together with the candidates and come up with answers on how to bring more economic opportunities to the blacks in the ghetto, to the hispanics in certain neighborhoods. they are using us as a scapegoat instead of us using the power that he had. >> the democratic party could take the minority party for granted. >> they have always taken the minority vote for granted. that's 100%, michael. they have not done enough for the poor people. everybody sits around and wants to make this about being a democrat or a republican or a liberal or conservative. what america has become, the poor people get screwed by rich people. poor people need more economic opportunity, they need better schools, they need better

neighborhoods. that's what this thing is really about. it has nothing to do with the political party. i don't hate on rich people for being successful, but rich people in this country, myself included, we've got to do a much better job in helping poor white an black people and hispanics. they do a really good job of making hispanics, balack people and poor people fight. we have to band together. >> you have a lot of opinions, a lot of well-informed opinions, when are you getting off the bench and into this arena itself? it's been talked about a lot in the past. >> you know, michael, it's silly. the reason i decided that i'm leaning for not getting involved, just watching television every day, just getting two republicans or two democrats on television and they just disagree on every subject.

it's got to the point where it's just silly. why would i get involved in a field where i know going in, just because they are a republican or i'm a democrat, we are just going to disagree every single day. that's just silly to me. >> maybe you would get in because 43% of the country according to gallop are not in the r's or d's but are among the i's looking for leadership. >> i think the political system has become so big, you can be an independent but republicans and the democrats are so powerful, they have all sold their souls to special interest groups. i think you can be an independent but it really becomes irrelevant. you have to pick a team, that's the way it actually works. >> sir charles, thank you so much for being here. >> no, thank you for having me. keep up the great work. >> thanks for that. just ahead, a smart lawyer,

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worse. this has been a long overdue thing. i would say don't panic, it's long overdue and there are a lot of reasons why the stocks fell. >> what are they? >> china is slowing and there are a lot of concerns that we don't know how slow it is growing. there are a couple numbers there discouraging. and a number of markets see the chinese economic miracle of the last 20 years and the multinational company deriving money from there. oil crashed below $40 a barrel. great for consumers in this country will see $2 gas by fall. i think you will see $2 gas by halloween, many parts will, maybe not chicago with the refinery issues, but crashing oil prices and interest rates rising soon. we don't know when but the interest rates will rise. all those things together really gelled into a big, big market rally. >> i'm a political animal. so when this occurs, what i

think of is 2008, lehman brothers, it's the midst of the campaign, people forget mccain and obama were neck and neck. that's when john mccain famously said the fundamentals of the economy were strong and all of a sudden they parted company in the polls and mccain could never catch him. what happens politically? >> the fundamentals of the economy are strong, in the u.s. they are. in the u.s. the republicans are trying to see if they should speak about this. the gas prices are not hurting them. they are getting extra money. remember last time around the republicans promised $2.50 gas if you voted for the gop? well, barack obama is the president, two terms of a democrat and you are probably going to see $2 oil. remember the campaign trail, the thing that you feel every day might be a little overrated. but i think that jobs have been growing nicely over the past three years. and republicans have --

especially the elite party, they want to focus on the people sidelined with jobs. and you'll be hearing from those not benefiting from the jobs market. when you look at all the jobs numbers, while a slow recovery, they are getting better. so that poses difficulties when trying to have an economic platform for the republicans. >> i'm a big fan of jack vogel. he says don't even look at your monthly statement. if you bought into the total market mutual fund, if you own the totality of the stock market, forget about it until retirement time. but it is hard for people to panic. tell everybody what they should be doing, if anything, in the face of this? >> don't just do something, stand there. it's a famous phrase on wall street. you need to make sure you're balanced for when you retire, for how old you are with the risk. if you are going to retire next year, you should not be 100% in

stocks, and you probably aren't. but if you are a generation x or early baby boomer, you love a stock market pull-back because you buy stocks more cheaply. all i have heard over the past two days is people asking me, should i be borrowing the stocks taking a dive? some of the stocks like apple and disney -- >> what is the answer to that? >> they are in a bear market right now. i haven't heard people say, should i sell my stock but when should i step in and buy? it will be interesting to see if that happens starting next week. >> what great advice. continued efforts weekdays with berman. >> thank you. coming up, the sound bytes on the hillary clinton e-mail controversy and talking facts. and he advised donald trump for decades. roger stone is called the master of the political dark arts. people say it is just his civil participation. i'll ask him about the donald's big alabama evening.

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i've been paying close attention to the hillary clinton e-mail optics. julian epstein is part of the house judiciary committee. and he's a legal advisor to the clintons and is joining me from washington. mr. epstein, did he produce from her server any documents with the freedom of information act requests? >> good morning. there's a case in the courts right now that showed a number of information e-mail requests. she'll be providing the e-mails in accordance with the law. the law with respect to freedom of information with regulations

issued in 2009 that permitted mrs. clinton to use private e-mails for official business. so she was certainly complying with the law. even if there are some that believe that officially e-mail would make it easier to comply with the freedom for information requests. the law requiring officials used only official e-mail addresses for official business. it was not passed until 2014. so i think she's perfectly in compliance with the freedom of information requests, although equivocally in that. >> i am sure there are journalists out there who during her tenure made requests for information. and if she alone or individuals acting at her behalf controlled that server, then she would have determined whether documents were produced. and it's a pretty straight-forward question, where there productions of documents pertaining to foyer requests that came from that server or was it a barrier to media access?

>> i'm not familiar with all of the foyer requests made while she was the secretary of state. but whether they were on her private e-mail or her public e-mail or official e-mail, michael, it doesn't really matter because she still has the ability as every other official in the executive branch to make the determinations as to what are official e-mail and private e-mail. so the mere virtue of her using a private e-mail server doesn't change the sub stance of what her response would be to a foyer request. >> let me show you something michael mukasey wrote about this matter this week. it's a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than a year to keep documents or materials containing classified information at an unauthorized location. notice the information is protected. the issue does not turn on whether document or materials bear a classified marking.

did he get it right? >> well, kind of. he's not really giving you a full explanation. the law requires a violation on the classified information. that you know something is classified and would intentionally move it to an area unsecured, like an unsecured server. in this case there's no indication whatsoever that any of the e-mails that hillary clinton received or sent while secretary of state were classified. even there are now some kind of disputes between the different agencies as to whether some of them retroactively or in hindsight should be classified. certainly when she received them or when she sent any of the e-mails in question, none of them were marked classified. so it's almost a totology that she could not intentionally move classified information to an unsecured location. and if you look back at all of the cases kind of involving the prosecution of mishandling of

classified information, you have a clear intent on one of the parties to move something known to be classified to an unclassified area. this is the essential point, even her strongest advocates of which i'm one, could conceive the point that it was a mistake to use a private e-mail server exclusively from her public business. but what her political opponents are trying to do is to turn a mistake into a crime. and i think it is very, very farfetched to argue that this is a kind of a crime or scandal the way her political opponents want to. >> let me speak to that, we all remember very famously, in fact, i'll show the short clip, 1998 when this is what hillary clinton had to say. >> the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is the vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.

>> mr. epstein, i look for individuals -- >> i lived through that. >> i know you did. i believe there are individuals lying in wait for them every single day. i'm not one of them. i think there are legitimate questions and concerns raised here and frankly believe this issue is getting away from her. and what it demands is a sit-down and complete explanation instead of dealing with it like it's an annoyance. >> well, as a political matter i don't necessarily agree. i think this is a real problem for the campaign, but i think you have to -- and i think political opponents are entitled to make the argument that it was bad judgment on the part of the secretary of state to exclusively use a private server. but there's a big difference between the argument that it was bad judgment on the one hand and kind of having that be political risk, if you will. and on the other hand, making the argument that she violated the law and this is a bona fide scandal. let me just point out, michael, three of the last four secretaries of state had exactly the policy she did, which was

she did not want to handle classified information over e-mail. she wanted to handle it on hard copy. secondly, there's a lot of reporting out there on public officials, and remember the valerie plano affair, there was access to classified information with people using public e-mail accounts for public business. the chairman of the oversight committee has his private gmail account listing on his business card. this is to merely suggest that in the e-mail age there is a great deal of kind of confusion and lack of clarity, certainly until 2014 when the law was passed on this about the use of public and private e-mails. >> i think the sooner that there's a full disclosure by her and explanation of why she went this route to begin with, and what exactly, if anything, was

kept out of public hands, the better she'll be and the better we'll all be. i wish i had more time. thank you so much. >> michael, thank you for having me. after the break, i'll talk to roger stone about his startling tweet that jeb bush is so weak that even mitt romney is thinking about getting back in the race. >> i am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i will tell you that. i will tell you. jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. new larger size now available.

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that blazing headline says trump fails to fill the alabama stadium. >> that's so typically "the new york times." it's their headline, a nuclear bomb hits new york city. it has to be hard-hit. the biggest crowd yet in the republican contest in alabama, and it was on fire, just on fire. so i prefer to see the glass half full rather than half empty. >> the entertainment value was priceless last night. he's a cut that caught my eye and had your thumbprint all over it. roll that. >> i said it the other night. my second favorite book of all time. what's my first favorite book? the bible, the bible. and as much as i love the art of the deal, it's not even close. we take the bible all the way. >> come on, man. you're almost smiling at this.

this is a guy who a few weeks ago said he eats the little cracker. now you have him there in bible thumping territory telling people he likes the bible even more than the art of the deal. >> first of all, i don't have him anyplace. >> i forgot, you parted company. >> he knows his audience. but think how much better we would be if john kerry and barack obama had read at art of the deal before they opened negotiations in iran. >> this week jeb bush began i think to engage mr. trump in a way that he had not previously. here is a tweet. i want to put it up on the screen from jeb bush. high school mace sf inconsistencies inside, at real donald trump's imdrags plan is not conservative and does not reflect our nation's values. are they now about to go head to head? >> it makes no sense for jeb because all he's going to do by attacking trump is help trump galvanize the conservatives, the nonbush voters. it's interesting to me that among the other things that bush

has attacked done old for is to say he was a democrat. he became a democrat. yes, he did.old for is to say he was a democrat. he became a democrat. yes, he did. he left to protest the massive spend, medicare part d and a pointless war. so he left in protest of bush policies. >> i thought that the jeb tweet and some of the things that he said were at odds with what mike murphy said. i think murphy is a really smart guy. he runs the jeb super pac. an end to the "washington post" this this week, trump is frankly other people's problem. we'd be happy to have a two way race with 2ru6r78 in the end and think what he was saying is he's cruise owing's problem, he's carson's problem, santorum's problem because he's cutting in to their support, not ours. >> because they can potentially win all the same votes. there is a pool of bush voters and then the pool of conservative voters which is much larger. so all they're really doing is elevating trump by attacking him. jeb bush is not the person to be

talking about or something about conservative records. he's made money on obama care, he's made money on obama phones through his holdings in trac phones. those are the phones that the federal government gives out. that contract is held by a company called trac phone which is partially owned by carlos slim and partially owned by jeb bush. jeb transferred his stock to his son just before he became a candidate, clever. and now he hopes to make money on common core. >> i've not heard that in the past. we'll have to look into that. roger stone classic stone tweet from you. with the weak performance of at jeb bush, my sources tell me at mitt romney is considering getting in. come on. this is stone stuff. this is it the dark arts you're practicing here. >> not at all. look, i have a very good rolodex

when it comes to the republican party confirmed by a morning times reporter who told me this morning that she hears the same thing. so i do think with jeb's failure across the board, his underperformance and that paleo diet, get this guy a cheeseburger, he is has no energy. he's flat. there is no passion there. this is why trump is zooming past him. >> so what do you anticipate from trump going into the september 16 cnn debate at the reagan library, is it going to be continue to follow this playbook? >> no one puts word's in trump's mouth. he's completely unscripted. what you'll see is the genuine trump and it's that spoken that iity that the voters react to. i suspect that he'll be aggressive but he'll stick to his themes. frankly, i'd like to see him take the lead on the iran deal. >> how so? >> well, he's the greatest

negotiator of all time. look at this deal. we'll give them $150 billion, inspectors can only be approved by iranian intelligence service? this is absurdity. >> if he with hhe we had more t ask you to show the tattoo. >> next time. coming up in just a moment, some of your tweets.

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the term anchorman. that's fun any. and erica said amen pat, as in pat buchanan. please stop telling us why we're angry and what words we can say. the point i was trying to make to pat buchanan that hispanics regard anchor babies as a slur and if for no other reason than smart strategy, gop candidates should stop saying it because they can't win with the white vote alone. and sally says i find myself agreeing with charles barkley. i think that you could think that you're an independent thinker. and adrian says relative to my interview pertaining to the clinton e-mails, hillary clinton has said why she used a private e-mail. it's dummies like you you and others that choose not on accept her answer. it's so funny when the subject is immigration like with pat buchanan, i'm perceived as a part of the liberal and when the

subject is hillary's e-mail, i'm perceived as a member of the conservative. what i'm saying about hillary is she needs to tell the full story. she needs to get ahead of the curve if she can on this issue. do a sitdown and layout everything we want to know about the e-mail. see you next week. ran a good ten meters to get to the guy and we did not know that his gun wasn't working or anything like that. spencer just ran anyway. and if anybody would have gotten shot, it would have been sensor for sure. sfwr hearing there from one of the three americans who helped prevent a possible massacre on a train speeding through europe. they took down the gunman armed with several weapons. this hour the americans are holding a press conference to talk about what happened. and cnn is heading there now. plus --