ranking included long-term declines in economic freedom and a drop in rule of law indicators as a result of the war on terror and drugs. perhaps such rankings will be a nudge for leaders of the land of the free. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources" with a fantastic lineup of stories this hour including a follow-up to this dramatic exchange between donald trump and news reporter. >> that's an offensive term. people find it hurtful. >> you mean it's politically incorrect and nobody uses it. excuse me. i'll use the word "anchor baby." >> we'll talk about politically charged phrase plus journalistic lessons from katrina. something that stayed with me

for ten years. i think you will be struck by it as well. later in the hour, captain ba card from star trek. patrick stewart. is now playing a cable news blow-hard. he'll try to teach me a thing or two about hosting. let's set the table with this big question today. what are the effects of the media's trump mania? how is it warping the race for the white house? let's begin with a moment that illustrates trump mania perfectly from fox news on wednesday. watch what happened. >> i'm all in in creating strategies to deal with this. heroin is particularly -- >> so much going on in new hampshire tonight. right now also new hampshire gop presidential frontrunner donald trump drawing a huge crowd. we're taking you there live coming up. do not go away. >> that's right. jeb bush is talking about addiction when greta van susteren breaks away to show an

empty podium for donald trump nearby. she was trying to cover jeb, to her credit. it's true that trump is the media's addiction. when he speaks he is given something no other candidate gets. that's wall-to-wall coverage here on cable news. he sucks up all the oxygen. this week we decided to crunch the numbers. because it's not just cable news that trump is dominating. we watched every nightly news cast since the gop debate, abc, cbs, nbc. this shows how many minutes each candidate has been talked about. the bigger the bubble, the greater the coverage. two and a half minutes for john kasich, ten minutes for jeb bush. now let's add donald trump. 36 minutes and 22 seconds. that's almost twice as much air time as all of the other 16 candidates combined. some of them didn't get on the nightly news at all. listen to this clip. >> john's guests sunday will include three presidential candidates. republicans lindsey graham and john kasich. >> did you catch that?

that was the only mention of lindsey graham in this entire period, on any of the nightly newscasts. one second. lest you think this phenomenon is unique to tv, we looked to "the new york times" coverage too. trump has been mentioned 318 times since the debate. let's move on to the why. why is trump running rough shod over everybody else? there are many ratings. one is that he is ratings gold. last week he was on "meet the press" and that program had its biggest audience in a year and a half. here on cnn chris cuomo's sit-down with him score the biggest audience in month. he writes about politics and culture for the new york magazine. he is also an executive producer of the hbo comedy series "veep,"

the odds on favorite for the emmy awards next month. it satirizes politics like no other show. frank joins me on the set. you have a unique perspective on entertainment and politics. that's what we're seeing with donald trump. we're at this intersection that we've rarely been at in this country where he is such a bona fide celebrity that cable news covers every time he speaks like no other candidate. >> i agree to a point. i think it's not just about his celebrityhood. i think he actually is making news, and he's making more news, for the most part, than his opponents in the republican race who are bland, by and large, who are very, unlike him, don't fly off with add homonym attacks and positions. it took the republicans a couple days to even call for the confederate flag to come down after charleston. >> i said earlier he's sucking up all the oxygen. >> my feeling is he is the

oxygen. he has made this race interesting. he is the one who of course attracts viewers to the debate on fox that might otherwise have been a sleep-fest and had much lower ratings. and he is challenging the republican establishment, the democratic party, the press, everybody, with views that are actually controversial and he is not afraid to state them out loud. >> what does it say about us -- many of us in the press that didn't expect to be here two months ago? when he entered the race in mid-june, there were a predictions he wouldn't go far, that he wouldn't release his financials, et cetera. you saw this coming in many ways and expected him to be a significant force but a lot of people in the media didn't see it that way two months ago. >> i think there is a gap between the political press and the entertainment world. if you're standing outside the entertainment world trump seems like a silly celebrity, which he is, but the show he was on,

celebrit"celebrity apprentice,"a second-tier celebrity. people were so blinded by that prime-time television connection they didn't connect what he was saying to forces that have been out there among the public, disenchantment, populist feelings, well before trump took this turn. >> on friday night i found myself saying to my wife, it's 8:00, time for trump. like he was a show. like he was a prime-time show. that's sort of what he is. he times his events for a big audience. let's look at this montage we've done. i'm not sure how unpredictable he is. take a look at this. >> we'll start with a little talk on the illegal immigration. we're building a wall. it's going to be built right. mexico can't pay for the wall, just so you understand. i will build the greatest wall that you've ever seen. >> i could give a donald trump speech right now. >> now, i'm with anna navarro on

that. i could give a donald trump speech by now. it's pretty predictable. he uses a lot of the same lines. i guess what makes him unique is you never know when he whether go off script and surprise us. >> it's like a rattle snake taking a path through the dirt and suddenly showing off his fangs. look at hillary clinton. no one is ever going to go off script. he has a script. they all do. he at least raises the prospect he'll go off it and often attack someone else. >> are there scenes from "veep," episodes this past season that this summer's experience reminds you of? >> just been spending a few weeks with the writers of "veep" for the new season as the trump thing has been happening. the truth is you can't go up against trump or duplicate it. we have our own fictional world. i don't think anybody would believe a trump character if we invented one. i think this is actually one of the rare times when the farce in

politics are stranger than entertainment could come up with. >> at the same time you're taking him seriously. >> the damage he could do to the body of politics and the republican party is real because he is not going away. and -- but he is a farcical figure. he it a buffoon. he has very shallow views. the views don't quite add up. >> he's going to tweet an attack at you for saying he's a buffoon. >> it's happened before. that's the fun for him. >> he says that to interviewers. he's having fun. that's something you don't hear from the other candidates. they seem joyless. >> the reagan appeal, kennedy appeal. look at jeb bush and hillary clinton, do you think either of them emitt an ounce of joy? it's sort of an eat your spinach campaign for both of them. >> the big headline of the weekend, a story by jeff zeleny yesterday, that joe biden and

elizabeth warren met by themselves yesterday, it was biden's request for the meeting. how does that change the possibility for the democratic race this fall? >> i think what's happened for the democrats is there is a sinking feeling as many have said and written that hillary clinton is running another mediocre campaign as she did against obama and her poll numbers are sinking. she is still the most popular democratic candidate by far but she is somewhat vulnerable. i think biden meeting with elizabeth is interesting. whether he's going to enter the race, i doubt it. i don't know. i feel he's well positioned should she falter. >> for the moment trump is the dominant force on the right and clinton is the dominant force on the left. in terms of the measurements, is the press unfairly at this point warping the race? do you think there is a vicious cycle that's happening where more people are supporting trump, for example, purely because of the television

spectacle? >> no. i don't think the press is unfair to the candidates. if someone makes news, like carly fiorina, they give that person a ton of coverage. i think it is the news. you know, they're the leading candidates, in essence, bush, trump and hillary clinton. and so that only makes sense to me. whether the other candidates feel they're being wronged, lindsey graham or whatever, what do they have to show for their campaigns? 1% following. all the insults are sort of true. >> you're saying the viewers at home who are tweeting right now stop talking about trump, they're actually wrong you're saying. you're saying we should be talking about trump. he is making news. >> he should be examined thoroughly. he is leading the polls and continues to go up every time they count him out. perhaps he is a serious threat so a lot that's going to happen in the next year and a half and we should look at him. we shouldn't say, oh, you know, he is just the comic books and

file him away and forget him. >> thanks for being here. great to hear your perspective. we're hoping to get word today for tomorrow about jason rezaian, the washington po"wash reporter behind bars in iran. i don't know about you this intrigued me. it's one thing for trump to be on the cover of "time" magazine. that makes sense. but the hollywood reporter? how seriously should we be taking his campaign. we'll learn about the ever blurrier line between politics and entertainment next. it's more than the cloud. it's security - and flexibility. it's where great ideas and vital data are stored. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions from a trusted it partner. including cloud and hosting services - all backed by an industry leading broadband network

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stone" soon. let me bring in janice min from guggenheim entertainment media. >> i think of you as the top editor of "the hollywood reporter." let's go with that. you interviewed trump in his office in new york. it was actually a pretty easy interview to get, wasn't it? >> it was surprisingly easy. we -- i had approached donald trump's person several weeks ago wanting to get a cover with him. and this was -- it was scheduled for september. when he did really well at the debates. i contacted them again and said, listen, i want it to be the next cov cover. within days i was in his office doing the interview. i was in with him, all told, about three hours. >> wow! >> not all of it was interview. a lot of it was just spending time with him. it was a good amount of time to sort of see how he operates.

>> the last time i interviewed with you at your office, i think i got a half hour. does your decision to put him on the cover suggest that his rise is just as much an entertainment story as it is a political story? >> the two are definitely intertwined. i made the point in the story to say this is the first presidential candidate since ronald reagan to be born out of hollywood. we say the story of reagan was the great communicator. he is the 21st century version of that, the great entertainment. it seems to be working right now, no matter what you think of his politics. it seems to be working. a big part of the story, you've covered it so well, brian, is the media story is so intertwined with this. when you look at media and television ratings, it all goes together in way that we have never seen before with a presidential candidate. >> for sure. in fact, let me play a part of your interview that was

recorded. you were asking him about this war with fox. i thought it was notable that he actually called it a war, though now they've made peace. here is what he said. >> will you ever be on megyn kelly's show? >> i think it's unlikely, but it could happen. they wanted me to do her show. i'm not looking to do that. i'm a very real person. i know it's good show biz and good for ratings and everything else. hey, i did shaun hannity's show the other night. it won over all of cable as you saw. he has been such a gentleman to me. bill o'reilly has been so great. he is a tough cookie and so great. he's been fair to me. it's possible i'll do the show sometime but not in the immediate future. >> janice, did you believe him when he said that he had made peace with roger ailes, the head of fox news, that all is well now? >> yes, i do. i think it's an uneasy peace and it's a peace that will broken

several times. like israel and palestine for the duration of the election season. it's mutual need at the moment. one thing that really made people on the left pay attention to trump this time was that someone actually took on roger ailes. you have never seen a gop candidate do that. in i would say, what, the last 12 years? so even if you don't like his politics or like him as a person there is a begrudging respect for trump to take on and challenge the status quo in a way that's never been done. >> my last question is what he said about cnn. he suggested to you and also suggested to "time" magazine this week that maybe cnn should pay him to be interviewed or paid to show up at the debate. he suggested this. tell me he was kidding. >> i don't think he was kidding. this is one of the things that was surprising about trump when i was with him. you think he's setting up a joke, and then you realize he actually wasn't joking and he's

quite serious. that's sort of what's breath-taking about him. he realizes he is ratings gold. he is the only thing that matters right now in television. i believe he's the death of summer tv ratings right now because everybody is watching the trump ratings show. he is obsessed with trump and how well he performs. he knows all the numbers by heart. there is a reason he is a been ere and a celebrity ceo. he'll make outlandish claims and statements like this. i believe there is probably a large part of the public that says, if i were driving ratings for these news corporations i would absolutely ask for money too. >> with that said, we should say no network will pay for a trump interview and cnn should decline to comment on the idea. he knows he has leverage, whether giving an interview or at a debate. that's why he's able to call into shows instead of show up on camera like you and i.

>> he is no different than a brad pitt or angelina jolie. kim kardashian. she gets paid thousands of dollars to tweet something, or if you're brad pitt you know your appearance on a red carpet can materially change an adjacent. he is aware of his star status. >> i think brad and angelina are a little better looking but donald has a lot going on too. coming up, it may not be a four-letter word, but the latest term used by donald trump to describe the children of undocumented immigrants in the u.s. has placed a big spotlight on how the media covers immigration and citizenship. an important conversation about that right after this. technology empowers us to achieve more. it pushes us to go further. special olympics has almost five million athletes in 170 countries. the microsoft cloud allows us to immediately be able to access information, wherever we are. information for an athlete's medical care, or information

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"anchor babies" a loaded term referring to the concept that babies born in the u.s. to non-citizen parents are american citizens. many say it's a derogatory term. yet we're hearing and reading about it this week thanks to donald trump. this is an intense exchange a couple days ago with trump. >> that's an offensive term. >> you mean it's not politically correct yet everybody uses it? >> look it up in the dictionary. it's offensive. >> i'll use the word "anchor baby." >> trump demanded an apology from abc for that one. he did not get one. since he talked about it other candidates are taking sides with jeb bush defending his own use of "anchor babies" at a testy press conference. >> do you regret using the term

average anchor babies on the radio yesterday. >> i don't regret it. do you have a better term? you give me a better term and i'll use it. i'm serious. >> you can see it right there. many journalists pushing back, challenging candidates. what you haven't seen are debates inside newsrooms like this one about how to cover this, what language to use, what language not to use. let me bring in someone with strong feelings about this, a pulitzer prize-winner reporter and editor of web u.s. that works with the l.a. times. josé, good morning and thanks for being here. >> good morning. emerging us is launching next month. it's not completely live yet. >> it's part of an effort to cover this topic in greater detail. >> yes. >> you would not use the phrase "anchor babies" on the website unless it's in quote marks attributed to a candidate is that right? >> yes. i have to say, i think we're

seeing reporters are pushing back more and more and demanding more context from politicians like donald trump. and we ought to be commended. reporters ought to be commended who are doing that. >> are they pushing back and giving context or showing liberal bias. >> i don't know about liberal bias. if anything -- i have to say, by the way, donald trump always saying the term "politically correct" is it being pleoliticay correct or being morally decent? when jeb bush was asking, give me a better term, what about babies. u.s. citizen babies. kids. >> is it not correct that we do need to cover this debate, do need to acknowledge both sides or do you not think there are two equal sides? >> there are not two equal sides. what's really sad about this, right -- i mean, as you said, reporters are getting better, but i think we must provide more

context and more facts. for example, a lot of the conversation about illegal immigration that donald trump talks about is tied to mexico. does donald trump know, by the way, that the actual highest growing rate of undocumented population are from asian countries? not from mexico, not from central america but from asian countries, since 2000. right? is that a fact that donald trump knows? does he know that, out of the 40 million mexican-americans this this country, out of the 40 million, the great majority of them are u.s. citizens? and for them, when you use the term illegals and "anchor babies" you're offended a great majority of people in this country. >> that's part of the media calculation as well. here is a sample of what i saw on tv this week. >> -- by using the term "anchor baby" or is it the latest example of political correctness run amok. >> who cares about the term itself. this is another example of the left trying to shut down debate

by name-calling. you're a racist, be quiet. let's not have the conversation. >> this "anchor baby" stuff is a great illustration of how everybody gets distracted over silly, meaningless things. and by silly and meaningless -- people on the left are offended by it. so freaking what! >> josé, what's your response to rush limbaugh saying this is a meaningless thing? of i've heard that online as well from people who think this should not be being discussed. we should talk about the problem, not the words around it. >> words matter. i've been traveling nonstop in our country for the past four years. once people realize i'm mexican, not filipino. they feel totally fine calling people ill legals in front of me and using the term mexican and illegal interchangeably. this is not just about fox news and rush limbaugh.

the new york times have used "illegal immigrant" 300 times. the washington post 800 times. what is the responsibility of these news organizations, right, to actually determine what language it uses? when it calls people illegal, are they siding by donald trump? are they siding by ted cruz or siding by whatever party. i'm neither a democrat or republican. i'm undocumented. i can't vote. i don't think this is a right or left issue. it's human decency. >> you're saying it's about moral decency. >> what if we called one of your kids illlegals. at its very term to call somebody "anchor baby," when people come to this country and they give birth to a u.s. citizen kid, it doesn't automatically make them american citizens. they have to wait years and years, if not decades, for that to happen. are you actually telling me that people are planning, oh, yeah, i'm going to come to america,

give birth to my children, and wait 20 years or so before i become a u.s. citizen? do we actually think that's how people think about this? >> well, that is the debate, isn't it. that's the debate on the campaign trail that will continue. i'm thankful to you for helping to illustrate what's happening in newsrooms. these are the conversations happening in receint days. thank for being here. coming up, sir patrick stewart here to talk about his latest, greatest role as cable news host. something etched in my memory ten years after the fact. it's the moment the hurricane katrina narrative changed. it's a lesson for all of us about journalism today. we'll be right back. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow.

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back to one of those moments in particular, and one journalist's story that personally i know i'll never forget. katrina maid landfall in the morning, august 29th, 2005. throughout the first day, august 29th, it was widely reported that new orleans had been spared the worst. widely and prematurely. >> that last-minute tug to the right was all it took to spare this city from the very worst. >> at this hour, it appears as if new orleans has been spared cataclysmic damage. most levies protecting this historic city appear to have held. >> no question. hurricane katrina has given new orleans a terrible thrashing. that said, this was not the apocalyptic hurricane that so many had feared. >> i went to bed that night thinking, like many, that new orleans had gotten lucky. that it had been spared the worst. but there was a very different story being told by reporters who were outside of the french quarter. they were in neighborhoods like

the lower 9th ward. here is the part i'll never forget. i heard it the next morning. i listened to it many times since. i think it's one of the single best examples of journalism i've ever seen on television. it's a report, by phone, by cnn correspondent jean maserv. >> as i left tonight darkness had fallen. you could hear people yelling for help. you could hear the dogs yelping. all stranded and hoping someone would come. for tonight they've had to suspend the rescue efforts. we watched one woman whose leg had been severed. one of her cameraman went out in one of the boats to shoot. he ended up being out for hours and told horrific tales. he saw bodies. he saw other just unfathomable things. >> people sometimes think that we're a bunch of kind of whacky thrill-seekers doing this work

sometimes. and no one who has listened to the words you have spoken or the tone of your voice could possibly think that now. >> we are sometimes whacky thrill-seekers. but when you stand in the dark and you hear people yelling for help and no one can get to them, it's a totally different experience. >> she weeped. she whispered, which made it all the more frightening and disturbing. after aaron brown returned from commercial break you could see in that very moment how the coverage of katrina had shifted. >> i was going to say the worst of katrina is over. i'm not sure, in fact, that we can say that. what we can say is that the worst of the weather is over. but what remains we are just beginning now, i think, to understand, and that may be far worse than our imaginations to this point.

>> and jean maserve joins me. she is now the director of training at the communications center in d.c. jean, to me this is one of the best illustrations of a journalist as a true first responder. you were trying to alert the country and the officials in washington about what you were seeing. >> yeah. i call it my paul ra vooer moment. i was very aware of the fact that we were the only people broadcasting from that part of the city, that we had the story, the real story, and it was on my mind, particularly the people at the department of homeland security new me, they knew my reporting, they knew i didn't hype. they must be listening. they're going to understand. they went home that night not understanding. >> it's because you didn't sensationalize, because you were in hushed tones, even whispering at points, that i think it was even more attention grabbing. you weren't trying to over state. if anything you were understating what you were

seeing there. >> however, the fact that we didn't have pictures made it a very different kind of story. i think people would have heard it if they could have seen it. >> let's talk about that day and why they couldn't see it. it was in the afternoon. you were at the superdome. people started to arrive, survivors who were soaking wet. that's why you drove out on the interstate to find this part of the city? >> one of our producers at the superdome said, hey, something is going on there. we went and linked up with a city council member who took us to where the flooding was. >> you're seeing it that evening. you're hearing people out there. you tried to get onto television. at times you did. the anchors didn't recognize the gravity of it. >> they didn't get it. >> i think you called into the larry king show and the phone didn't work. it's 11:30 when you finally reach aaron brown. >> that's right. we pulled the satellite truck out of the city because we were afraid we'd lose it. the flooding. we were working with something that would put us on the

satellite. that was late to get to us and then we lost light. so telephone was the only way to do it. yes, i had started around 6:00 in the evening telling people by phone what i was seeing on the air and people couldn't hear it. they just couldn't hear it. one of the heroes of the night to me is aaron brown, who actually listened to what i was saying and played it out. >> which is one of the most important skills in television, actually listening to the guest. in that case, you, trying to get people's attention. >> i've been in the anchor chair myself. i know how tough it is in a breaking news situation when you have lots of inputs. you're thinking one, two, three steps ahead. it is true that nobody was really paying attention to what i said. >> once you started to relay this, once you started to break down, started to weep in this ten-minute long report, did you find yourself thinking this is unprofessional to be tearing up? to me it was the most human thing you could be doing at the time. >> yes.

yes. i am prone to tearing up. i have done it at other instances in my career. when i finished this phone conversation with aaron, i -- i talked to myself and was very disappointed that i had been so emotional. but as you say, because we didn't have the pictures it may have been that emotion that put across the gravity of the situation we were dealing with. >> in that moment the sorry shifts because we realize it's only just beginning, right? it's starting to become the worst. the water wasn't just there. you were seeing it actually rise at that time, right? >> at that particular location it was up to the eaves of the location. when we drove back downtown we could see it had come up just in the hour since we left. >> a lesson is go where others aren't. >> there may be a different situation over the hill or down the road. go seek it out. >> jean, thanks for being here and recounting it with us. >> my pleasure. a special report here on cnn with anderson cooper on tuesday night, "katrina, the storm that

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the last hearing was august 10th. under iranian law the court had a week to come up with a verdict. it's august 22nd. do we have any idea what's happening? >> we should have heard last tuesday. we're waiting. the judiciary said we wait hear something this week. the iranian week starts saturday. we're hoping they do the right thing and let jason out. >> you have had no signal that a verdict could come tomorrow or tuesday. >> we haven't heard anything directly from the court. we keep asking and they won't give us any kind of indication. >> i checked with marty baron at "the post" today. he doesn't know anything either. this must be beyond frustrating for you. >> you have to put your normal ideas of how things should down out of window. people expect there to be a process. you expect the judicial process to be there, but this is not what we're going through. we're going through something completely different that doesn't have any rules,

apparently. and they do what they want to do. >> what do you know about your brother's condition in prison and what he's going through. >> >> he's very isolated and doesn't see people for a long period of time. he's been fed disinformation about the outside world so that he gets more and more worried about things, more concerned about what's going on. they try to scare him as much as they can. they don't have evidence against him, so they're trying to get him to say that he did something that he didn't do. it's now been 396 days that he's been held. he was in court for a total of about eight hours and spent ten months before he even had an attorney. this whole situation is just unbelievable. >> are you optimistic that he will be freed? your mother was quoted this week saying she does not, she expects a harsh sentence and for him not to be freed. >> i think my mom is over there, and she is dealing with those things. what we've heard from our

lawyers, that there is no evidence and that there's nothing to support the charges, so we have to go with that and be ready for whatever happens. >> ali, we're with you. the journalism world stands in solidarity with you and jason. thank you for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me on. >> we'll stay on top of this case here on "reliable sources." coming up, we'll take a turn. you may know him as the captain of the starship enterprise or the x-men army. now patrick stewart my interview with the self-professed news junkie, next.

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>> welcome back from network and broadcast news. abc's sports night and the newsroom, film and television had a preoccupation with the person sitting in the big chair both on and off camera. there is a new interview to the blunt talk debuting this weekend on stars. stewart plays a hard drinking table tv news host whose personal life is in chaos. i'm sure that's entirely fictional. take a look. >> i saw your show tonight. >> thank you. you may be the only one who did. >> stewart is best known for his role as the star trek captain. how did he prepare for this news

role? i invited him and found out. >> your character gets wasted and picks up a transyend er prostitute. >> this is something you wouldn't understand. >> the show is not doing quite as well. he has been on the air for five years and walt wants to reinvigorate and wants to establish a new relationship with his audience. he wants to change the world with his news program. in the meantime he needs to get his personal life a little bit more organized and less chaotic. >> this is a sat ire of the news business. how did you prepare? >> i have been a news junkie all

my life. news and sport are my two primary preoccupations with television. i spent two days. one at the daily show and one with rachel maddow. >> what did you learn from jon stewart and maddow? >> i learned quickly how clever they are when they work on the show. how intellectually clever and articulate. i sat in on the show for "the tonight show." what is it going to be? there was never a silence. the moment somebody stopped talking, somebody else did. i said to our team, whenever we are having our production meetings, our discussions, there should never be silence. always somebody has something they want to say that is urgent and they want their voice to be. i learned the techniques of

teleprompt reading by watching real anchors and news men do it. >> what did you learn about reading the teleprompter? >> not to stay fixed and rigid and staring at it as if there is a poisonous snake. >> try to be conversational. >> you need an excellent relationship with the operator who can speed up and slow down. it appears like now that it is all tanuous. what would you be challenging me about? >> tell me, brian. you have a very big election coming up in just over a year's time. how do you think that is going to go and most importantly, what

impact will it have on the rest of the world. >> i'm trying to think of a way not to have trump in my answer. >> walter and donald. >> walter stewart as a host some day? >> i would love to have a go. >> blunt talk right now. we are all out of time and stay tuned. a special live edition of state of the union gets going right now. >> coming to you live from washington for a special edition of state of the union. we are awaiting a live press conference in paris where three americans are being hailed as heroes after they took down a gunman who opened fire on a train traveling for