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thank you for joining us on this monday. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thank you for joining us tonight. another sign political outsiders are in and insiders are in trouble. there is donald trump and carson. on the democratic side, vermont senator bernie sanders. big news tonight. he has been drawing big crowds, bernie sanders has in his race with hillary clinton. fresh evidence in the form of new polling tonight. cnn's john king lays out the state of the race on both side by the numbers. bernie sanders within striking distance of hillary clinton.
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break down the numbers for us? >> hillary clinton went off the rails in '07/'08. hillary leading in iowa. 37%. bernie sanders in striking distance at 30%. the math, within seven points. two, hillary clinton below 50 for the first time. sanders leads in new hampshire. now in striking distance in iowa. it is interesting when you lack at this poll. democrats, this is good news for hillary clinton. 61% of democrats say the controversy is not important. 37%. 38% say some what important. 6 in 10 say not that important. interesting for bernie sanders. 96% of sanders voters are supporting him they like him and his idea. only 2% say rejection of hillary clinton. the democrats for bernie sanders aren't doing it anti-clinton mood. one more point. look at this. a close race.
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democrats in iowa. they like their field. use the president. 88% favorable among democrats. joe biden, hillary clinton, bernie sanders all good favorability. clinton negatives at 19. look at this. kid the political world. iowa democrats are largely happy. >> when it comes to the republican field. ben carson giving trump a run for the money. >> a wild, wild ride. anti-establish. and outsiders. two polls to look at. "the des moines register" poll. and donald trump 23. ben carson, 18. ted cruz, scott walker, jeb bush. donald trump leading. 23, 18. two guys never held political office leading the race. brand new out, monmouth university poll. that one shows dr. carson in a tie with donald trump. 23-23. third place, a republican who never held political office. look at this. this isn't rocket science. republicans in iowa are lacking for something different. they're looking for somebody who never held political office. that's the hurting governor bush and governor walker.
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>> of trump as far as he goes he has got a, a coup when it comes to favorability ratings. >> again, fascinating. a lot of political pundits. the more people hear donald trump, vulgar language, crassness, refusal to answer questions get specific. will people move away from donald trump? in iowa poll, favorability rating 61%. 6 in 10 republicans, caucus goers favorable t to do that in today's politics to go 35% in may to 61% now a huge jump. why? let me tell you quickly why. republicans in iowa are literally mad as hell. 9 in 10 say they're mad as hell at the government, and the president, and wall street, 75%, their own republican leadership in congress. 91% mad at hell at politics. republicans in iowa have had it and look for somebody to come to this town and blow it up.
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>> thank you very much. talk more about the numbers. talk with more donna brazil, and jeffrey lord, ronald reagan's white house political director and cnn commentator, trump supporter. also with us amanda carpenter, former communication director for ted cruz. amanda, donald trump, ben carson, republican sigh. outside traditional mold. not governors. not senators. how concerned should the establishment be at this point? >> the way i view the polls now, anderson, the people in the top tier, are who voters want to hear more from. they're saying donald trump, ben carson, carly fiorina, ted cruz, we want to hear more from you. don't think it is a vote. for the most part, largely not vetted. haven't been in the political eye that long. whereas my former boss, ted cruz has. people are familiar with their positions. i am curious to see once people
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like donald trump stake out policy position have plans to defend how they fare in the polls once they're put in that position. >> an interesting idea. donna, do you think that's true on the democratic side with bernie sanders? amanda saying not necessarily that they want to vote for trump or ben carson. they kind of look what they're hearing. they want to hear more. do you think that's the same with what is going on with sanders? >> yeah, amanda is right. at this point in, in the political season, you know, voters are window shopping. they're taking a look at all right candidates. they're going to rallies. they're going to union halls. they're listening to all of these candidates to find out if they look them. i mean they're dating anderson. what's wrong with dating at this, at this stage of the season? i mean, in a few months. five months from tomorrow night, they'll actually have to stand up and proclaim their support, that's like a, you know, announcing that you are going to, you know, get engaged. so i think it is very important to understand that bernie sanders is drawing a lot of first time voters.
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a lot of people are interested not just in his ideas, but, you know his enthusiasm, the fact that he wants to start a political revolution to take big money out of politics, to revolutionize you know the way students get their loans and pay them back. he has a real serious plan for the future. i'm not surprised democrats are taking an extended window shopping view of bernie sanders. >> jeff, do you think donald trump is somebody to be concerned about. the monmouth university poll, trump, carson tied in iowa each with 23%. >> well i think you are always concerned. but i think he is doing just fine. there is within more that snuck in here before i came in. where he had 37% to 9% for the follow-ups. the point here i think is that there really its a pattern here. with this anti-establishment business. donald trump tapped it into big time. i saw something on john king's show yesterday. and it's on the cnn website.
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i find it so striking i've wrote a column about it tomorrow for "american spectator." cnn's maeve reston discovered there are establishment types out there preparing a big attack on donald trump after we get through the labor day weekend. they're trying to figure out who it is going to come from and how it is going to work. basically i thought, what in the world are these people thinking? when you look at these fog yerz, when you add up donald trump and ben carson and ted cruz and carly fiorina, you are over 50%. in one case in one of the polls close to 65%. so this is like pouring gasoline on this. this -- this would be a huge mistake. >> amanda, at what point do maybe push back on jeff's point. at what point do the other candidates have to start pushing back on donald trump? they have to do something if they want to stay in it a awe
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those that went hard on donald trump, it backfired. rick perry, rand paul, the wrong move. we had a conflict in the republican party, grassroots and establishment. this is continuing to play out. until the typical establishment like candidates learn that they need to pay attention to the fears and concerns and hopes and dreams that grassroots americans have rather than trying to shut it up and ignore it. until they learn that lesson the republican party as a whole will never be successful. >> donna, always interesting. to have an establishment candidate be told by their people you have to be an outsider now. that's the exact opposite of what an outsider really is. so it is sort of it proves the point that they're really are an establishment candidate if they have to be poll tested to be told to be an outsider? >> well you know, the so-called outsiders. insurgents on the democratic side. gary hart, jesse jackson, howard
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dean, barack obama, he actually did win the nomination. though hillary received more votes but had less delegates. there is no question they're able to attract the voters that want candidates who are not scripted. want candidates who can speak to their hearts as well as to their souls and spirits. i think what we are seeing this summer and what we may see at the beginning of the fall before voters actually begain to sta-- begin to stand up and declare support. we may see the polls change again. four years ago, i won't forget. every time i tried somebody else took over the lead. donald trump is rewriting the book. an interesting book. i hope the democrats can write the final chapters by, by, winning in 2016. >> all right, donna. jeffrey lord. amanda carpenter. stay with us. we'll talk to you. want to get your take on donald trump and use of twitter. his latest target, hillary
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clinton's aide, huma abedin, and her husband anthony weiner. is trump going too far going after her. most of his supporters probably just say no. we'll talk about that. breaking news in the ambush killing of this man, a texas sheriff's deputy, and the sheriff claim that rhetoric surrounding the black lives matter movement could have motivated the suspect. details ahead. [ male announcer ] we know they're out there. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions. the innovations. all waiting to help us build something better. something more amazing. a safer, cleaner, brighter future. at boeing, that's what building something better is all about. ♪
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you may remember when donald trump said this on cnn. watch. >> who are you going to attack in your first tv ad? >> nobody. just wanting to talk about my accomplishments. i would rather have positive tv ad. >> he said he would rather have positive television. we haven't seen any television attack ads from trump yet. that's besides the point considering the way he uses social media. on instagram posted an attack ad against jeb bush on twitter he insults opponents, associates and spouses. friday, trump took aim at huma abedin, hillary clinton's aide, married to former congressman anthony weiner. >> who is huma married to? one of the great sleaze bags of our time. anthony weiner, did you know that? >> anthony weiner as you recall
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is the guy who sexted pictures of his parts to a woman on line. he tweeted, huma abedin top aide to hillary clinton and wife to perv anthony weiner was a major security risk as a collector of info. here is randi kaye. >> reporter: donald trump unleashed in 140 characters or less. his tweets are often sarcastic, hateful, and downright nasty. most are directed at his opponents. j jeb bush never uses his last name on television, signage, is he ashamed of the name bush. pretty sad situation. go, jeb. congratulations at lindsay graham sc, you just got four points in your home state of sc. far better than 0 nationally. you are only 26 points behind me. after democratic candidate
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bernie sanders lost control of his microphone to black lives matters protesters, trump tweeted. how is bernie sanders going to defend our country if he can't defend his own microphone. very sad. trump went after the president during the ebola scare. i am starting to think there is something seriously wrong with president obama's mental health. why won't he stop the flights. psycho. in another tweet he asked if the president is stupid or arrogant. trump has nearly 4 million followers on twitter. so his tweets hardly go unnoticed. his favorite word when firing off these zingers seem to be dumb and dopey. he uses the word great a lot too. but mainly about himself and things he likes. trump goes after the media too. retweeting this about fox news' megyn kelly after she returned from vacation. the bimbo back in town. i hope not for long. this a but anderson cooper. what a waste of time being
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interviewed by anderson cooper. when he puts on really stupid talking head like tim o'brien, dumb guy with no clue. pundits are a target too. in the line of fire with trump calling him a totally overrated clown who speaks without knowing facts. and this tweet, one of the dumber and least respected of political pundits is "the washington post" at the fix. moron hates my poll numbers. celebrities are also fair game in trump's twitterverse. trump tweeted this about singer katy perry. katy perry must have been drunk when she married russell brand. brand fired back. are you drunk when you write these tweets? or does that foam you spray on your bald head make you high? whatever it is that inspires trump's tweets, a "washington post" headline summed it up this way. your next president, donald trump, basically tweets like a
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12-year-old. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> back with the panel of whom remember life before twitter was a thing and political weapon of war. donna, jeffrey, amanda. is there a lesson in the way trump uses twitters for other candidates? >> sure. it shows donald trump for who he is. he is a bully. he is, likes to trash talk people and particularly against women. he goes for the gutter. i mean if you look at his speeches. a lot of time, stream of consciousness. same old things. these are things he chooses to say. they're not staff writing. him, his personal thoughts. and i don't think this is language that is suitable for a president. maybe people find it cathartic. proves he will shake up washington. but at some point, imagine him in a presidential debate stage against hillary clinton bring up monica lewinsky and calling her a bimbo. that is not a debate i want to see. hopefully nobody else does. >> jeffrey, you get the notion
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that trump is writing the tweets. if you look at the times they're sent. 2:00 a.m. 3:00 a.m. >> right. right. >> he clearly focuses on this stuff an awful lot. to the point where he says about not wanting to run negative ads. is that -- >> i wrote, i wrote a column about this which i haven't yet posted. which basically supposed that he was president and on the, once the inaugural was over, parades and balls, he slips into lincoln's bed and starts to tweet about vladamir putin, vlad, you're a loser. the serious point here its there have been a lot of president whose have taken technology to a new level. i do moean this seriously. abraham lincoln, telegraph, john f. kennedy with television. richard nixon and the tapes, hillary clinton, not a president is, is mired in this e-mail business. i think that twitter its the
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wave of the future here. i think he knows how to use it and uses it well to his advantage. i think his opponents have been clueless about this whether they will pick up now, i don't know. there is a lot of history of this kind of thing with presidents and technology. >> donna, for those who don't like donald trump, another example of him having an incredibly thin skin. i guess the question is to man day's point. can a president have such thin skin? if he -- looked like we are having technical trouble. is donna still there? jeffrey, i think you are the only one left. somehow the other people have just vanished. i don't know if donald trump has control of our airways at this point. >> you know he tweets favorable thing as about me, anderson. >> we balance each other out. do you believe he has thin skin? can a president be somebody engage in these kind of fights.
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he has written how you need to challenge. people go after you. you need to stand up. challenge them. not only for dealing with that person. but for sending the message to everybody else, you can't be messed with. and when you extrapolate that to the political world. there are a lot of americans who believe that that is one of the problems we have in the country. one of the reasons they responded so well to ronald reagan. of course, as we all remember the day he was sworn in, the iranians released the hostages. that kind of message is coming through here. >> jeffrey lord, i can hear donald trump tweeting right now. thank you for joining us. donna brazil, amanda carper ten as well. coming up next -- new details in the ambush murder of a sheriff's deputy. information about the alleged killer's mental health history. that, his day in court, and the debate over race and justice. some say is vital and others say is putting police lives in danger.
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new information that could shed light. the facts are terrible enough. friday night someone came up behind the sheriff's deputy and opened fire with a 40 caliber semiautomatic pistol. the killer emptied the clip, 14 round. one in the chamber into the deputy. he was a ten year veteran father of young son and daughter. a suspect is in custody. more is become known about his mental health history and trouble with the law in the past. the deputy's whiff aife and two are living a nightmare. law enforcement grieving across the country and paemeople acros the area and the country. the deputy is white, killer is african-american. happening across a backdrop of protest and debate over the death of african-american men, women and teenagers. the sheriff --
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>> our system of justice absolutely requires law enforcement be present to protect our community. so at any point with the rhetoric ramps up to the point where calculated, cold-blooded asa assassination of police officers happened. this rhetoric has gotten out of control. black lives matter. all lives matter. cops lives matter. let's just drop the qualifier and say lives matter and take that to the bank. >> we'll talk to sheriff hickman about that in a minute. first, we are jind with toined latest. what do you know? >> this is interesting, back in october of 2012, it aparpears t 30-year-old man accused of capital murder facing the death penalty in the murder of the deputy was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. weapon being his hand. back in october of 2012. this happened in austin, texas. according to the prosecutor on
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the case, miles had gotten into an argument at a homeless shelter. apparently, spending time at the homeless shelter in austin, texas. got into an argument and fight with the homeless man there at the shelter. the remote control. television set. recreation room. charged with aggravated, assault, and before the case could go to trial, he was found mentally incompetent by a psychiatrist and a judge agreed with that. miles was then sent to a state mental hospital. for six months. when he was brought become to travis county to face the criminal charges the prosecutors could not find we are told the other homeless man in the case. so the case couldn't be brought to trial. but also, obviously, mental health issues playing a significant role in that case. we also learned here in harris county that prosecutors issued a sa pea that going after the hospital records of another mental hospital here in the houston area for any records pertaining to shannon miles as
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well. in the documents the prosecutors say they don't know the exact dates of the treatment. but obviously prosecutors trying to get their hand on more medical, mental health records. >> the da presented in court. what do they have linking the guy to the killing? >> they had several things. really the most detailed account of the way everything unfolded here in the gas station parking lot. prosecutors have ballistic evidence, tying the shell casings found at the murder scene to a weapon that was discovered in the garage of shannon miles' home. not but a half mile here from this site. they also detailed as you mentioned there in the intro ducts, the gruesome way this attack happened. shannon miles running up behind the deputy, had no idea he was being targeted. according to prosecutors, shannon miles unloaded 15 rounds into the deputy. >> just awful. he has had a prior record. in fact, a number of run-ins
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with police, right? >> yeah, before this aggravated assault back in oufctober of 12. everything we found between 2005, 2009. really a lot was misdemeanor situations where it was time served. spent a handful of days in jail. but other than that, there has been very little information about his background here. we know that according to his facebook page he bounced around from colleges here in the houston area. but there has been really no statements being made publicly from this family or friends here. since the days that he was, day he was arrested saturday afternoon. >> ed, appreciate it. the remarks earlier by the sheriff. reaction to them as well as other statements on all sides have turned. what was already a tragedy beyond that. better, wes, fair or not, appropriate or not. many appear to be squeezing this into a debate, race, justice, policing. with the e motional b aal body
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emotional body blow, i spoke with sheriff hickman before all of it. >> i want to express our condolences on the murder of the deputy and our thoughts and prayers are with his family and his family throughout your department. first of all, what kind of guy was sunny what do you want people to know about this deputy? >> what we want the people to know is that the person that weep lost was one of the good guys. his wife describes him as easy-going. her best friend. and the guy that you actually wanted wearing the badge and the uniform. he was his 5-year-old son's hero. his daughter can't imagine living without him. >> i understand the suspect has a record that goes back many years. not much of a social media presence. i'm wondering is there any new evidence pointing to his alleged motive? >> we continue to research that
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issue. certainly we are interested in -- in any connection the two of them ever had. thus far we have not found a connection. >> at this point, do you still believe that deputy was solely targeted because of his uniform? >> at this juncture, we find no other motivation other than the fact that he was wearing a uniform which makes it purely a random kind of issue. >> over the weekend. you said, we have heard black lives matter. all lives matter. well, cops' lives matter too. and then you went on to say at any point where the rhetoric ramps up to the pin the where calculated cold-blooded assassination of police officers happens, this rhetoric has gotten out of control. >> do you believe the black lives matter movement is somehow responsible for the deputy's death? >> one can speculate the rhetoric in our area, of course, a short distance down the road from waller county where the
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bland case has elevated attention to those, use to a very high level. so, it isn't very a far stretch to believe that kind of rhetoric could influence someone. >> but you have no direct evidence at this point of what was in this alleged killer's mind? >> no, certainly not. >> there has been some criticism of your statement. a texas state representative, garner coleman said he thinks your statement was politicizing the death. he says it shows a lack of understanding of what is occurring in this country when it comes to the singling out of african-americans. i want you to be able to respond to that. do you think there is any validity to the concerns of those in this black lives matter movement? >> well i think he may misunderstand my purpose. there will be people who want to make this a political issue. that's not my interest. i have visited with the spouse of the slain deputy she very clearly indicated she wants to
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communicate that we are on target. all lives do matter. and if we have any connection whatsoever with the public, we want to convey that message. >> an organizer with a group called organization for the black struggle he also criticized your comment saying that, that the black lives matter movement has never condoned any violence against police officers. and that if you can't understand why people saying, why people are saying black lives matter, then that's the problem. i want you to be able to respond to that? >> there will people that pervert this, twist it for their own purposes. and to pursue their own agendas. and clearly my agenda here ties make sure that we tone down the temperament of all rhetoric. when it gets so inflammatory. >> to those who say they will continue to protest in the black lives matter movement, what do you say? is it -- is your concern just the kind of bringing down some of the rhetoric.
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is it the movement in general? >> i dent thithink what we are about extremes. talking taking people's lives, taking pictures. killing cops on radio talk show. kind of rhetoric can get out of hand. >> the president of the fraternal order of police believes this should be labeled a hate crime. do you think that should be the case? >> i think if we can demonstrate that he was isolated and selected because he is wearing a uniform, i think that would qualify. >> sheriff hickman. appreciate you joining us. so sorry under these circumstances. >> thank you so much. >> you heard the sheriff's take on the case against mandate who allegedly murdered the deputy. the bigger question was he targeted for wearing a law enforcement uniform? is the black lives matter movement in some way encouraging it? some people are pointing to this rally as proof it was. we'll ask our panel.
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you heard the sheriff, absent another motive, rhetoric may have contributed to the killing of a deputy friday night. speaking shortly after the deputy's murder he says war declared on police officers, a war led, quoeting, by high profile people one out of the white house and one out of the department of justice. then there was this in march. >> pigs in a blanket! >> fry them like bacon! >> marchers there saying pigs in a blanket. fry them like bacon. one chant that was chanted throughout this protest. but a lot of people have been focusing on that. here to talk about all of it. cnn law enforcement analyst, harry houk, opinion columnist, charles blu, and former
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prosecutor sonny hostin. you hear the sheriff saying, all lives matter and rhetoric may have contributed to the death of the deputy? >> i said from the beginning. the investigation is on going. at the very beginning of the investigation the we can't link the black lives matter movement to this killing at this point. >> the sheriff when i asked him about that does say it is speculation. we have no idea what the motive 'ti is. it is speculative. we have the first amendment. people are allowed to protest. to give voice to their frustrations if i will say this thing, pigs in a blanket. fry them like bacon. it is inflammatory, disgusting. i don't think that's appropriate. i don't think it's prept to lynn to link the two. now that well know mental illness, when it comes to mental health issues and gun control. i talked about it when the two
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journalist were murdered by somebody mentally ill now. another incident with some body with mental illness being able to get a gun. when are we going to start talking about that instead of always hinging these things on race? >> charles, when somebody says, look all lives matter. shouldn't use the term black lives blat matter, all lives ma. >> that is a good concept. i wish all america believed that all lives matter? what we see desperate treatments of different segments of the population, along racial lines in america. which looks like a devaluation of specific segments of the population, specifically black people. i think until america says, in its core, all lives matter it is appropriate and necessary to point out the lives that america steams to value less. >> when you say america, you are specifically speaking about the court system. system of justice?
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>> yes, i am adamant this conversation always hinging around police and people of color is too narrow. the police are simply the tip of the sphere and not the sphere itself. you have to look at the system. the state as an actor. the state becomes us. america. all of america is arrayed against black people. look at desperate treatment, from interactions with police, criminal justice system. how people are sentenced. longer sentenced to the death penalty. >> he is right. statistic do support african-american men in particular are treated differently than white men in our criminal justice system. >> lot me bring in harry here? >> how is that so? >> just look at the stats, harry.
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>> the stats show there are more black men incarcerated. i see that. i know that. that means they're committing crimes. you are sitting here listening to charles talk about this. all of white america, all of america is against black america. that's crazy. that's the problem. >> no the problem is you putting word like that into my mouth. that statement itself become is a racist statement. for you to then take america. >> charles, you just said it. >> i let you speak. you will let me speak, harry. when you take america to say, that means, all of black america is against white america. that is a racist statement. in and of itself, harry. and you have to step back from your perch and look at what you are saying. >> that's a racist statement. you are the expert on racist statements now. >> specifically racist. >> what i am looking at, targets. because i disagree with you i'm a racist. that's your narrative. >> one at a time. let charles finish. >> i would like for you to do that. that would be the right thing to do, harry. >> when you look at that. when eye look at who is the
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target. who is treated negative lie, that becomes america, black and brown people you. can have your opinion. you don't have the right to your own set of facts. >> i want harry to be able to respond. >> that is your opinion. >> do you agree, that african-americans in this country are treated differently in the court system or justice system? >> no, i don't. i was in the system for 25 years. i have never seen that. you know what it takes for somebody to go to jail in the city of new york no matter what color they are for christ's sakes. it happens all the time. it is amazing to me how you can sit there and say that charles, how many people that are black and in jail. how many do you assume are innocent? >> when you were talking about you being on the streets of new
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york. let's talk stop and frisk on the streets of new york. we look at the numbers, the numbers on that. the facts on that. is that 9 out of 10 of the people who are stopped and frisked were black or brown. and 9 out of 10 of those never got a charge. that means they never did anything wrong, right? >> right, they were probably stopped because there was reasonable suspicion. >> you can't look at that. and say that is a fluke. people just happen to suspect. when you looked at the number of people who actually were armed, of that group, white people were more likely to be armed than the black people. and you know why? it wasn't because white people are running around in packs with weapons. it was the officers were more likely to stop white people for a cause. not because of the color of the skins. those artifacts. >> those artifacts. >> it is in judicial opinion.
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>> no listens if everybody talks over. harry, i want you to respond. >> that's an assumption on your part, charles. let me tell you something. the black community, all right, is where there is most of the crime. say in new york city. >> be careful, hairy. that is not true. >> los angeles. >> it is very true. >> it is very true. >> law enforcement officers are targeting african-americans in their community. >> in the city because there is crime. >> all you have to do is read supreme court opinions. >> that is why there is -- >> let him finish. fini finish. >> there are more stops in these naked. th -- there are more stops in the neighborhood. there are more crimes committed. >> sonny, you are saying that's not true. >> the bottom line. >> you are the problem, harry. >> now, two complaints in my whole entire career gainst me. >> if you read any supreme court
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decision, any legal scholar, they study these issues, it is very clear that. >> who study. a bunch of liberals. >> they're targeted unfairably by law enforcement officers and then they're treated unfair low when they get into the system. i myself, as a former prosecutor, know that to be true. i am ashamed that i was somehow part of that process. but that is the bottom line. that is the process. and we have got to talk about institutin instituting. >> then you perpetrated some of the stuff. you perpetrated some of these unjuu injustices against blacks. >> we are only in your neighborhood bah that's where the crime is. as if all the black people, one day woke up and said i want to move to an area that is high crime. oh, i want to live in a place that is, that is plagued by extreme poverty. right? that is not what happened. any body who ever studied history understand that is not what happened.
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these neighborhoods are actually designed by government policy. it is government policies, lending policies, it is red lining policy and then basically creates these neighborhood and then we. >> liberals look you created them. >> please stop talking while i am talking. i don't like that. and then we wonder why these pockets of extreme poverty have issues. and not, we take no responsibility as america that we have created these pockets of extreme poverty t that becomes the systemic part of the racism argue on this story. >> we're going to leave it there. sorry, but it is important discussion. we will have more. harry, sonny, and los angeles police officers are doing something unprecedented. doing their jobs wearing body cameras. l.a. the largest city to embrace the technology. up next the controversy surrounding them. should police have access to those images while writing incident reports. if i want to go up...
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>> take your seatbelt off. stop! >> reporter: when university of cincinnati police officer ray tensing shot and killed sam dubose, the police report claimed the officer was dragged, almost runover, officer tensing forced to shoot the driver. and listen to audio of officer tensing justifying the shooting minutes after the incident. another officer even telling him, stop talking. awe thought guy was going to run me over. i shot one round. took off. got my hand caught in the car. almost got runover by him. >> reporter: video from the officer's bed camera appears to contradict his account. so much so, officer tensing was fired now facing murder charges. >> get out of the car! >> reporter: another example, sandra bland where dash cam video with a microphone on the
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officer's uniform paints a much different picture than the arrest report from texas state trooper. in it, the trooper says the 2-year-old became combative and uncooperative and the trooper tried to make her extinguish her cigarette and when she refused it escalated to this. >> get out, now! he used a taser as a threat. that left out of his police report. after bland was taken away, the trooper heard on his own body camera giving a different account of the incident by phone to what sound like a supervisor. >> tried to de-escalate it. it wasn't getting anywhere at all. and i tried to put the taser away. talking to her. calming her down. that was not working. >> reporter: while video confirms or supports an officer's account, nationwide in incident after incident either body, dashboard or cell phone cameras, have at times told a
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different story than the official line. the country's largest police force, nypd under court order is now testing body cameras. 54 officers voluntarily using them. and the program will soon expand to 1,000 officers. eventually, body cameras for all 35,000 nypd officers could become standard issue. but the rules about usage are evolving. there is one sticking point in particular should officers be allowed to review their own video before filling out police reports? >> if you allow officers to look at the video, from the body camera, in advance of getting their statement, that might possibly taint what the officer tells the investigator. >> the recently named inspector general for nypd issued a report on body camera policy. when they should be turned on. how data will be saved. whether cops will have access to their own videos. something the police
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commissioner here says they should. >> i'm not intending to use cameras to play a game of gotcha with the cops. the idea, several months after an incident if hea can recall what transpired moment by moment on video. it doesn't work that way. >> a point in the arrest and death of eric garner, selling cigarettes. nypd reports left out critical details cell phone video captured. specifically the chokehold. and that garner called out for help. uttering 11 times. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> before falling unconscious. >> approximately spolicy that a officers before writing a report, that is not going to build trust in the police. >> reporter: policy for nypd federally mandated program of 1,000 officers wearing body cameras will be recommended by a
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