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9:00 p.m. here in new york. 8:00 p.m. north of chicago where the search for three suspected cop killers is still going on at this hour and the shock of a beloved police officer's murder is just sinking in. people in and around fox lake, illinois, have been through a lot today. none of it good, some heartbreaking. they have seen the killing of police lieutenant charles joseph gliniewicz, a mentor to local high schoolers and the father of four. schools have been put on lockdown, no-fly zones imposed and a statewide manhunt swinging into action. ryan young joins us now. what is the latest? >> reporter: as you look around here, you can see one big difference from our last live shot. the light has gone away.

it's dark now and we've seen several dozen officers coming back to the command center here. we've also seen heavy equipment coming into the area. those heavy-duty lights they might bring in to light up an area. the helicopter has just taken off as well. but think about this community. someone who served here for 32 years, a guy known to many as g.i. joe, a father of four who had deep connections to the community. there are a lot of people who showed up on the side of the road with their signs, giving support to this officer. but right now they are still intensely looking for those three suspects. we have seen extra k-9 units, equestrian units. this heat is taking a massive toll on a lot of people. if you think about all the gear these officers carry going through the woodline for most of the day, you can understand how tired they are and the idea that they are searching for people responsible for killing one of their own, a brother, and maybe about a half mile from my location, is where the shooting happened.

officers are checking the area to see if there's been a digital dump in the area. but you have to remember, there's water around here, there's marsh around here. and there are residential homes all throughout this area. some of them that are not occupied. anderson? >> and i just want to remind our viewers what they're looking at on the side of the screen are taped images. these are not live pictures. and we're doing that intentionally because we do not want to give locations of where police officers are currently searching just in the off chance that any of these three suspects may actually be monitoring television broadcasts like this one. so explain this neighborhood because behind you, ryan, it looks almost industrial or commercial. there's also residential area. there's also a kind of marshy area. it sounds like a lot of different kinds of terrains and neighborhoods. >> reporter: let me give you the mix. first when we arrived, we saw the officers in the area as

well, near residential homes, over the railroad tracks here. we made a decision to come to the command center because obviously we didn't want to give street names away where these officers may be gathering to go out. we saw k-9 officers walking in the woodline as well. we are in the industrial area where the officer was shot. but back in the residential areas, there is a woodline and what was described to me, some of it's marshland, some of it's woods and some of it breaks down into a residential community. add to the fact that a lot of people here are boaters. you may have boats behind homes that aren't used. massive labor day weekend coming up, everybody will be enjoying themselves. but a lot of homes have poet boats in the back that no one's been searching through. and these officers have to go door to door as they know someone out there is armed and dangerous. we do believe they took that officer's gun after shooting him and killing him. >> in terms of the suspects, not much information has actually been released. we don't know whether or not -- correct me if i'm wrong on this,

ryan, we don't know whether or not police have more information that they're understandably not releasing because they don't want to tip their hand to any of the suspects who may be watching. but as far as we know, the only information that has been given out is two white suspects, one african-american, correct? >> reporter: and obviously you want more information to be able to give out to the public. right now, the last news conference we had was at 4:45. so right now, they're really kind of keeping the funnel of information among law enforcement. as we see these large group of officer officers, you have to wonder if they have more information. whether it's a t-shirt or shorts or the shoes the suspects were wearing. did they have a chance to change their outfit? this is information we hope that law enforcement is working with. maybe if they bring the information to us we can put it out there. but the latest information we got was around 4:45 except for the fact of them releasing the fact that the officer was a father of four as we do see massive amounts of officers coming into the area.

you have to understand, the search continues in earnest at this time of night. maybe the night vision goggles will be coming on soon with those helicopters. >> ryan, appreciate the update. joining us by phone is the grant township supervisor. kate, thank you for being with us. i'm so sorry it's under these circumstances. first of all, what can you tell us about lieutenant gliniewicz? what kind of guy was he? >> he was just a wonderful guy. he was involved in his community. he had a beautiful family. he was at every event in this area, always helping. one of the biggsest things he did was work with the explorers. and the kids just idolized him. he would go to their dances. he would take them on excavating -- not excavating but teaching them these practices in the school parking lots and showing them cars when they were crashed and how you get people

out. and he just taught those children so much. he was idolized by them. the community loved joe. i talked to one of my friends today who's in her 80s. she goes, oh, my gosh, he always helps me get in my car. he was just always there for everybody. >> i talked to a teenager, a high school student who's in the explorers club who actually is the mentee of the lieutenant and not only is heartbroken but says he's more determined than ever to join the force because of the example set by this lieutenant and because of what's happened to him. the mood in the community obviously besides being heartbroken, i imagine there's got to be fear out there as well because you have potentially three suspects on the loose. >> absolutely. a lot of places were on lockdown today. i did lock down the township. and if anybody would have come to the door, which did not happen today, they would not have gotten in if we didn't recognize them.

but i made all my employees come inside. and i know one of our local banks was locked down. it was just a safety factor for everybody. and i think we have to be aware that there's potential out there of danger. and we know that these people that showed up today in this village will do their job. but that's one thing i would like to remark on was the outstanding position these forces took today coming into this community. i don't think they're going to leave a rock unturned till they find them. and it was just such a brotherhood. it made, i think, myself -- i felt like this is really a great thing happening in this community because it makes you know that people really, really care and they will do something about that. >> kay, to that point, our correspondent ryan young was saying that earlier there were members of the community coming

out onto the streets to voice their support, to show their support, not only for the lieutenant who was killed but also for the officers who are searches. you consider they're doing that at the same time that there is a manhunt, there's people on the loose. despite what understandable fear some people have, they wanted to come out and show their support. >> absolutely. i did see some people down there. they had their signs and they were showing and the beeping of the horns going by, it does show that there's a lot of compassion right now. >> have you ever seen anything like this before in your community? >> not really, not this severe. i'm sure people have been stopped and maybe hassled a little by an arrest but nothing like this. it's just overwhelming. and you see it around the country, this happens all the time. and i always do say when, not if, because sometimes it can happen. and we should be ready.

and today how -- it was a miracle on how they got those forces together on location there. >> and very quickly, we should also point out -- >> i'd like to extend my best to the family and prayers. and i know the community is going to be behind them all the way. >> i'm sure there's -- >> this is such a tight community. when somebody needs -- these people here are always ready and willing to help. we're not the richest but we're the most giving. there's a lot of compassion here for people. >> we're seeing that today certainly. i know your heart is heavy and the hearts of many people around the country watching this are heavy tonight as well as ours. i just wanted to thank you for taking the time in your time of grief to bring us up to date, thank you. >> thank you for your concern and letting people know these things do happen and we should all try to work for peace.

>> we believe -- it's the 26th officer this year who has been killed in the line of duty. shocking and disturbing number. kay, we'll continue to check in with you. thank you. joining us is lenny depaul who we got to know during the search for those two killers in upstate new york. also with us, jeff rorda, former fbi profiler and mary ellen o'toole. lenny, in terms of what law enforcement is up against and we'll be showing pictures -- they're not live pictures. i don't want people to believe that we're giving away any current police activity or positions. how much harder has this search gotten now that the sun has gone down? >> well, good evening, anderson. it's gotten extremely hard not only because the sun's gone down, they're chasing ghosts. they don't have anybody identified. in the upstate new york case we knew what they were looking at. makes it extremely difficult when you're trying to track

people that we don't even know who they are at this point -- at least i'm not aware. hopefully law enforcement -- and i'm sure these investigators are on to some intelligence that they've gathered that maybe are pointing them in the right direction. but they need a game changer, something to identify these three suspects. but it's tough out there. i'm sure aviation support, thermal visioning, night vision, whatever assets are needed to be deployed. if they're waiting for nightfall, they'll have the appropriate amount of manpower and resources to get these three in custody. >> jeff, i allude to your expertise to know what to say and not to say in a time like this. but how does an operation like this work? what's always so impressive to me with law enforcement is when an officer is down, so many different agencies seem to respond instantly. how does it all work? >> anderson, it is -- everybody

is invited to the party kind of situation. officers will come from miles around to help with this. my experience with these manhunts has been limited to escaped prisoners. but sort of the same circumstances, particularly when you've got them locked down into a small area. the one advantage that the officers have with the sun going down is the thermal imaging and the infrared will help them if they've got the guys in the area where they think they are. but the situation is very dynamic, very dangerous. guys that are in this situation particularly when they're armed and they've already killed one law enforcement officer do some really desperate things. you remember those "charlie hebdo" shooters and how desperate they were and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory at the end. let's hope this one doesn't end that way. >> mary ellen, when you have -- first of all, this attack, as far as we know, wasn't -- we

don't know if it was preplanned or not. but how key is that in figuring out the suspects' mentality now that they're on the run? if it wasn't preplanned, if this officer happened upon a scene, they went running, that certainly i guess would help law enforcement because there's not kind of a preset plan these suspects may have. >> that's right. it really is help law enforcement because if this was more of a spontaneous act -- here's how this will unfold. once the officer is shot and killed, there will be dissension amongst the three because all three will have committed to having killed a law enforcement officer, at least equally have committed to killing him. so there will be yelling and arguing. now they have to default to plan "b." and there's a lot of dissension going on. so that is going to cause them to make mistakes. and that's what we want. we want them to make mistakes. and if they're listening, if they're inside a home, what we

want is that message to come out to that one person who says, i didn't want to kill that officer. that's the person that needs to come forward to the authorities because once they're all three arrested together, the authorities will not be interested in making any deals. so they're going to rely on the dissension amongst the three to really compel the weaker one to come forward. >> mai appreciate all of you beg here in this situation. this manhunt under way right now. more on who this latest fallen officer was and how deeply he will be missed by so many. a lot more also happening in the presidential race. details on that ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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more information on the manhunt as events warrant it tonight in this next hour. but cnn is hosting the next republican debates on september 16th. and tonight there's a change to tell you about. we are tweaking the rules to determine who qualifies. any candidate who ranks in the top ten in polling between august 6th and september 10th will be included in the debate. that's even if they didn't -- joining me now, amanda carpenter. appreciate you being with us tonight. amanda is the former communications director for ted cruz. also cnn political commentator, jeffrey lord and ana navarro.

great to have everybody here. what do you make of this new criteria? >> i think it was a very good move by cnn, as self-serving as it may sound for me. but this is an unusual year. there are 17 candidates running. i think you have to acknowledge that there were changes because of this debate. some people went down. some went up. >> carly fiorina -- >> carly fiorina went way up. and i also think that kudos to her for putting pressure, having gotten the grassroots activists to weigh in -- >> she called out cnn -- >> yes, to this uprising in the public. >> jeff, i want to play a clip of carly fiorina at the so-called happy hour debate last month where she went after donald trump referring to a "washington post" report which said that president clinton called trump months ago encouraging him to play a larger role in the republican party. >> i didn't get a phone call from bill clinton before i jumped in the race. did any of you get a phone call from bill clinton? i didn't.

maybe it's because i didn't make a donation to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign. >> if she makes the cut for this debate, how much could it change the dynamic -- she would be the only woman on the stage and perhaps going toe to toe with donald trump? >> i think she'll be fine. i think she'll express her ideas. i think donald trump himself was for getting her in there. i should tell you, give you a little bit of news here, the temperature taking out there in the conservative world, i reached out to the talk radio shows who said, cnn's decision responds appropriately to the existing political reality that she's more popular and better known today than she was several months ago, wise decision. this is a good decision all around. i'm sure donald trump feels that way. it will be good to have her on there and on we go. we'll see how she holds up. if she can't handle donald trump, as i said, she shouldn't be president anyway. that applies for everybody else.

>> one of the moderators of the debate spoke to carly fiorina today after the rules changed and asked her if this now becomes a trump/fiorina showdown. and she brushed it off. but the dynamic between the two of them, i'd imagine a lot of people will certainly be on the lookout for that dynamic and particularly whether she kind of takes him on. >> yeah, i think there's certain to be sparks that will fly between the two. they've been dancing around attacking each other. she did it from the first debate stage. he said her voice gives him headaches. he's attacked her business experience. i think we'll most certainly see a conflict there. and also when people see that happen, they'll be reading to see how donald trump may challenge a potential hillary clinton on the stage. you can't ignore the male/female dynamic and the history he has attacking women in this gutter-ball way. so i think that's certain to happen. but also carly getting on the stage is a testament to her grit

and determination. i don't think we should overlook the fact that she organized a grassroots coalition and petitioned to cnn official, made the case based on the polls. we have a very tenacious woman here. i don't think she's going to back down from that fight. >> last night on jimmy fallon, governor christie was on. he said at one point in the last debate he went 20 questions in a row without being asked a question. fiorina's presence could mean basically more than ten gop candidates on that stage. >> maybe he'll go 25 questions without being asked a question. he also said, i think, on that show he might go nuclear at that debate. so jake tapper, dana bash and h hugh hewitt will have their hands full with up to 11 candidates. figuring out how to deal with donald trump. i expect carly fiorina to take

him on. she has in the past. the dynamic is also of the two outsiders, two political outsiders, two people that come from a business background, going at it with each other. and carly has not let him get off scot-free with some of the comments he's made on women. >> jeff, donald trump in an interview today with don lemon -- don will have the complete interview in about half an hour on his broadcast -- was asked about donations to his campaign and fund-raising. i want to play just a little bit of that. >> are you going to accept dotations, large donations, small donations if people want to give you money? >> no, the answer is no -- no, wait, small donations. people sending in $100 and $7 and $9. it's relative peanuts. they want to be a part of it. and i love that. that's not a lobbyist giving me

$5 million where they want to put in millions and millions of dollars. that's people that want to invest in the campaign. that, i happen to love. i think it's a really good thing and i think it's a really positive thing. >> it's really interesting that he's selling this as investing in the campaign. i don't know that i've ever heard a candidate kind of using that verbiage before. it's an interesting way to look at it, whether -- maybe it's just spin or putting a face on it. but it certainly is an interesting way to sell it. >> i think, anderson, this goes to the heart of the reality here that he has a real connection with as it were regular folks or working-class folks or middle america or working america. they love him. i have seen this myself when i've been with him long before he announced for president. i may have mentioned it on the show here. they just swarm to him. i honestly don't think it's about celebrity. i think it's that they agree

with him. they think that he's determined to do something and they trust in his ability to do it. so the fact that he gets these contributions, he loves it. he'll take them and they're not $5 million and he'll make it known. >> the reality is he is raising money. he had an event at his daughter's father-in-law's house, a very wealthy real estate developer in the new york area. you know what the reality is? he's very, very rich as he himself has told us many, many times. but he's also very, very cheap, doesn't want to spend it on his campaign. >> we have to jump out here. amanda, ana, jeffrey, thank you. >> thanks, anderson. just ahead, dick cheney sounding off about hillary clinton's e-mails, president obama's nuclear deal with iran and why he thinks joe biden should make another white house run.

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party loyalists. here's tom foreman. >> reporter: to hear trump tell it, his expertise is clear. >> who knows taxes for than me? >> reporter: what he plans to do about taxes is far murkier. he's floated a variety of ideas, easing the burden on working families -- >> i want to lower taxes for the middle class. >> reporter: cutting back on government spending. >> there's so much fat in washington that if somebody got in that knew what they were doing, you don't have to raise taxes. >> reporter: and in a move that has alarmed some staunch republicans, trump is echoing a democratic line, make some rich people pay more. >> they pick a stock and all of a sudden they make a lot of money. i want the hedge fund guys to pay more taxes. >> reporter: as a result, some pro-business anti-tax groups like the club for growth are not impressed. >> he knows how business works for him to create money and he's happy to tax everybody else's

business. that's a bad plan for the whole united states. >> reporter: trump says he can bring u.s. companies back from overseas by lowering their corporate taxes. but some of these groups are convinced heavier taxes on investors and punishing companies for shipping jobs overseas in the first place will kill incentives for growth, wiping out jobs and productivity. ever since ronald reagan, republicans have loved the idea of lowering taxes. >> read my lips -- no new taxes. >> reporter: but many have found keeping those promises can be tough and it may require much more nuance than trump has offered so far. >> people are going to be very happy. >> there are winners and losers in tax reform and people who stand to lose scream really loud. >> reporter: in other words, it is the same complaint that was raised about trump's plan for immigration reform. what he is saying is popular but hidden in all those details he

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a lot of people are talking about hillary clinton's e-mails including dick cheney in an interview with jamie gangel who is making her debut on our

program tonight welcoming her to cnn. last hour, we brought you part one of her interview with dick cheney and his daughter liz. they have written a new book together. in part two of the interview, cheney has a lot more to say in his classic blunt style. jamie began by asking what he thinks about hillary clinton's use of personal e-mail server when she was secretary of state. >> well, it's difficult to know what her motives were. i found it surprising that somebody as high-ranking, secretary of state who's dealing with classified and sensitive information all the time, would they this it was okay to have a private server in your home. >> reporter: how did you handle your e-mails -- >> i didn't do e-mails. >> reporter: how would you describe her handling her e-mails this way in a word? >> i think it was sloppy and unprofession unprofessional. the chinese recently picked up the files of everybody who is currently working for the federal government. now, the situation strikes me -- maybe she went into ignorant but

i find it hard to believe. she's an intelligent woman. she spent a lot of time in the white house. you should not operate in the way she did. >> reporter: she should have known better? >> i think she should have. >> reporter: you think the russians and the chinese have her e-mails? >> they've got my personnel records. how can they not have her e-mails? >> liz, when you were deputy assistant secretary of state, you know what it's like to handle very sensitive information. do you think she jeopardized national security? >> i do, certainly. i think there's no doubt, given what we now know, what we've seen in the very limited number of e-mails that have actually been released and the investigation that's under way, the questions that have been raised by the department of defense and others, there clearly was information on that server that was classified and so you've got to conclude that there was a risk to our national security. >> reporter: do you think this undermines or disqualifies her candidacy? >> i think there's a very real possibility of that.

>> reporter: i know you're not in the business of giving the democratic party advice. but what do you think of joe biden and do you think he should get into the race? >> i'd love to see joe get in the race. >> reporter: because? >> go for it, joe. he's tried twice before. he obviously is interested. i think there's a lot of support for him in the democratic party. i think it would stir things up. they're short candidates on their side. so i'd urge joe to have a shot at it. >> reporter: who do you think is a more formidable candidate, biden or clinton? >> there is this notion that hillary sort of inherited the nomination, nobody could really challenge her for the nomination. i think that's now pretty well gone by the boards because of her problems. and i think that's why there's potential support out there so she does have some opposition now. and my bet is joe is going to run. >> reporter: he may want joe biden to run but it isn't stopping cheney from a full-on

attack against the white house and the iran nuclear deal. >> the objective was no nukes for the iranians but that's not what's happened here. the objective was no enrichment for the iranians. that's not what the treaty does. it's not a treaty. what the agreement does. basically it's what it says within a specified period of time, iran is going to be able to do whatever they want to do with respect to developing nuclear weapons. >> reporter: and cheney goes further. he believes the deal will cause a nuclear arms race in the middle east and charges it will more than likely lead to the first use of a nuclear weapon since hiroshima and nagasaki. >> when you take the rise of the caliphate and the terrorism gone on in that part of the world and dump nuclear weapons into that mix, i think the possibility that sooner or later somebody's going to use one of those nuclear weapons has increased fairly significantly. >> reporter: president obama says it's the best deal we could

get and opponents are pro-war. you say? >> he's wrong. we've done much better than that in the past in other negotiations. he gave away the store. >> reporter: president obama said, opponents of the deal are either lying or ignorant. >> i think that's a very sorry statement by a president of the united states. he ought to read his own agreement. >> reporter: on jon stewart's show, president obama said his critics think he should have sent dick cheney to negotiate the iran nuclear deal. >> if you were going to send people to class and study how to be a negotiator, you would not do it the way that barack obama has done it. >> reporter: liz, you think your father could have done a better job? >> i think my father's dog could have done a better job. but in all seriousness, every time the president says those of us who oppose the deal are pro-war, i think it's important for people to go back and look at the specifics of what the

deal actually does. and the fact that this deal will make it more likely that we will in fact have conflict in the middle east and make it more likely that that conflict may well be nuclear. >> reporter: you in the book blame the spread of isis on president obama. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: he says it's your fault, that bush/cheney left the region unstable. >> well, i think he's wrong. look at the record. we had a situation in which by the time we got through the surge in '07 and '08, president bush made a very courageous decision, very correct decision. iraq was in good shape when we left office. and barack obama said as much. what happened basically was they failed to follow through. they withdrew as quickly as possible and left no stay-behind force there. they created a vacuum. and the vacuum was filled by isis. >> reporter: how dangerous do you really think isis is now to homeland security, american soil? >> i think extraordinarily dangerous, partly because of their ability to recruit from

the united states, people to become members of isis, to go to syria, iraq and so forth. i think the danger of having those people return, having trained, for example, over there or their ability to motivate people in the united states and elsewhere and other parts of the world to become ardent followers, if you will, of that ideology and sacrifice themselves in the name of killing infidels, i think that possibility is increasing. and i think isis is very dangerous indeed, especially if you think about the prospects of nuclear weapons being developed in the middle east. >> reporter: do you think we could see another major 9/11-style attack on american soil? >> i think we could see another 9/11-style attack with much deadlier weapons, if they use chemicals or biological agents. they used airline tickets and box cutters on 9/11.

that was a difficult, terrible day for us, 3,000 casualties. it will be worse if they find deadlier weapons. >> joining me now is ari fleischer, former press secretary for president george w. bush. and also democratic strategist, paul begala. they're laying the blame for the spread of isis solely at president obama's feet. >> amazing. what a valuable piece of videotape. that is a portrait of a political sociopath -- >> political sociopath? >> yes. i went and looked up ant mayo clinic website the deflection of that disorder and it fits mr. cheney to a "t." inability to ever express remorse, error, manipulative, dishonest -- this point about isis, for example. isis exists because of the invasion of iraq. iran is stronger because of the invasion of iraq. we invaded iraq because mr. cheney twisted intelligence to try to persuade the country to invade a country that was no

threat to america. now he hits there and actually has the gall to try to blame president obama for trying to manage the damage. >> ari, is it irresponsible of the former vice president not to accept any responsibility as paul says? >> well, the question put to him was about isis. and i think it's irrefutable. the fact that isis exists is created because of the vacuums that president obama has created. the question was not, do you have any apologies you would like over the eight years you were in office? very different issue. >> does seem like dick cheney is washing his hands of some responsibility. first of all, he talks about the surge. he doesn't talk about what came prior to the surge, which were clearly a lot of missteps that made the surge essential and also the surge was really designed to create the possibility for some sort of political solution in iraq with leaders picked by your former

boss's administration and they failed to do that and there was an agreement that president bush signed about the status of forces that you can argue whether or not president obama worked hard enough to keep u.s. forces there, to kind of refashion the agreement. but can he really just lay it all on president obama? >> first of all, we don't know what questions were asked in the snippet you showed about the 2003 decision. and people can argue about that. i think what you can't argue about, that iraq in 2007 and 2008 was a stable country. that is the country that president obama inherited. >> in terms of the military situation was far better. the surge obviously was something -- >> the political situation was an improving situation -- >> but nuri al maliki clearly -- >> it was an improvement from a situation that had saddam hussein at the helm. maliki wasn't the strongest leader. but you needed america's guiding hand to pull iraq through it.

barack obama didn't have any interest in extending america's guiding hand. he wanted to end it and get out of there. and that's one of the reasons that the vacuum was formed. that's one of the reasons that isis was able to take over so much of iraq and that's why we have so much turmoil there today and why iran is so influential in iraq today. this is all the results of the vacuums that gets formed when america does not lead. >> paul, it's also interesting, cheney clearly doesn't seem to give any credit to president obama for the killing of osama bin laden. he credits the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques which critics would call in some cases torture techniques. >> right. and the senate select committee on intelligence issued which i read declassified -- i will say in other interviews he has said it was good that president obama killed bin laden. so at least -- but in this one, he didn't. it goes to this -- on this question of iran, i'm old enough to remember when bill clinton,

my old boss, was trying to pass tough sanctions on iran in the 1990s. we had strong republican support for that. but chief opponent of our sanctions against iran was dick cheney and the ceo of halliburt halliburton. we passed the sanctions despite cheney's oppositions. he enriched himself. and now he's the one saying that president barack obama is not enou tough enough on iran? it boggles the mind to now be lecturing president obama. it's amazing to me. >> ari, should president obama get some credit on the killing of bin laden? >> of course he should. he's the one who authorized the mission. the s.e.a.l.s carried it out and the president deserves the credit for authorizing it. joe biden opposed it. i don't know what relevance this has to the future. if this is what you want to

shape the next debate about, the killing of bin laden, good luck. that's something that barack obama should be and could be and all americans should be proud of and the enhanced interrogation techniques absolutely played a role in the detection of the courier who led us to bin laden. all of that came together. and the other thing that helped the mission to be successful was the military build-up that george bush put in office. i've credited president obama for the continued drone strikes, warrantless wiretaps. he has continued much of the infrastructure that he criticizes as unconstitutional. he tweaked most of it and leaves some of it in place. but he criticized george bush for violating the constitution when those things have kept us free and i'm glad president obama has continued then. >> paul, appreciate you being with us. ari as well. thank you, gentlemen. up next, we'll return to the manhunt near chicago with a special focus on the fallen officer at the heart of it all. we'll learn more about the kind of person, the kind of friend

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>> was known as joe to his friends, g.i. joe to his fellow officers. he worked with a lot of officers over the years. he made just as many friends in the community. one of those long-time friends joins us now. thomas, i'm so sorry for your loss. and i areesh yat yppreciaapprec us in your moment of grief. you've known the lieutenant since you were both in high school, is that right? >> that's correct. >> what kind of guy was he? >> oh, boy. he was just an incredible human being. the one thing that i remember is just being the optimist that he was during every situation. >> in high school, did he know he wanted to be a police officer? >> did he know he did? >> yeah, he did. we discussed it before and i

told him my plans of doing it and, you know, boy, i'm tell you what, 30 year that is he put in was almost, you know, went from a kid in high school to a cop almost immediately. >> i mean, to serve on the force for more than 30 years is just an incredible, incredible sacrifice. said that he's more determined than ever to get on and to join the police force in the wake of what happened to joe. >> and that's a credit to joe, the kind of guy that he was. i followed joe on facebook. we talked a lot.

joe just had a passion for teaching these young kids. not only being a mentor to these explorers, but he taught them tactics and all kinds of police work. but the things he taught them most was the lessons of life and these poor men are hit harder than almost anyone today. >> i mean, he has four kids. the loss is just -- it's impossible to think about for his family. >> if the people who were responsible for this knew the kind of family man he was and knew the care he had for the public, this wasn't -- this was a great guy. this was a guy who would have wanted more help from an

individual he had to arrest than getting a kick out of somebody they had to put behind bars. >> it sounds so hollow to say, but i really am sorry for your loss. and please extend our condolences to all of our friends and the family, as well. >> if i could just say one more thing, anderson. i would strive to be the kind of man joe was. if there was more people out there like joe, we'd need a lot less cops. >> tom, again, thank you so much for talking with us. i really appreciate it. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. >> thank you. >> stay strong. we'll be right

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