about it, and what, we just have to watch where we step. >> kennedy did not want to talk to keira knightley on camera, but told us he has not had the animal for very long, adding the cobra is afraid of humans and is more likely to shy away than to attack. >> thank you for watching this morning. "smerconnish" starts now. i'm michael smerconish. our political season is well under way and we'll get into it with some great guests. is this woman in jail because she being her denied her religious freedom, or is she more like an american version of the taliban? and hillary clinton finally speaks out about her e-mail scandal but refuses to fully apologize.

i will speak with the attorney general who says shes that plenty to be sorry about. the jobs report game out, the numbers look good but donald trump says the economy is terrible. 93 million americans are still out of work, advice from dave ramsey. and is obama's iran deal bad for america? we start with groups that include groups called "club for growth." say say he is the worst kind of politician. speaking of trump, here is something i wonder. is he getting an unpaid political commercial every time americans see this sad footage of the european migration crisis? do americans see that and ask themselves could it happen here? joining me now, beckel, bernard,

and stone. bob beckel is a former fox news anchor. michelle bernard, and roger stone. roger, i'm looking at today's "new york times" so it must be true. the club for growth and other conservative groups are all now plotting and scheming to take down the donald. >> the political establishment is soiling their britches over the rise of trump. a new pole today has donald trump leading hillary clinton. no wonder the political establishment is in a panic. >> the donald continues to

dominate headlines, this was gotcha? >> are you particular with general soleimani? >> yes, go ahead and give me a little, tell me. >> he runs the quds forces. >> yes, okay. >> the kurds have been horribly treated by us. i think you said kurds. >> no. >> i'm sorry i thought you said kurds. >> what do you hear in that tape? >> what i hear is donald trump instead of having an issue to throw back at somebody, he is a lot of things and i think he is stronger than people give him credit for. every political analyst that

says this guy will be gone is wrong. it is about 35% of the republican elector rate. he needs to get more serious on policy, not attacking everybody. he gave hugh hewitt a little back handed slap, that was about it. i think donald trump for the first time, i think he thinks he might win now, and if he does he has to give himself a campaign that reflects the presidency. >> but michelle bernard, he can't win out knowing the difference between hamas and hezbollah. >> exactly he has to know the difference and he cannot write it off with the typical trump response that we heard in the interview with hewitt where he basically said it doesn't really matter. by the time i'm elected in 16 or 17 months by now, all of the players will have changed and i will know what i need to know by

then. it is foreign policy one on one. it wasn't a gotcha question. i think quite frankly donald trump's response, not so much on the quds versus the kurds, i will give him the benefit of the doubt, but his responses in terms of not knowing the answer, pretending it's not important at this point in time, and then deflecting about building a great wall and being the best military person i will be so good your head will spin. that is someone running in the republican party where foreign policy issues are so important to so many voters. >> you allegedly wrote the internal campaign memo that t k talked about trump speaking and not using specificity.

has he reached a point he may have to speak more specifically? >> no. it didn't stop risk from botching up benghazi. donald trump understands the big issues. we're not looking for a chief -- we don't need to get down in the weeds. this is not about arcania. >> bob beckell, i voited my theory that the migrant crisis will play a role in the 2016 cycle, do you agree with me that it reinforces the concerns that the donald put into people's heads? >> he adjusted to that quite well. i think we should take some of the refugees over here. he decided that the votes that

carson has, for example, dr. carson, that the votes that carsonlaid off a little on bush. you can attack donald trump which is dangerous, or agree with him which is more dangerous. at some point, i think you will have to started talking with specificity, but he is not ready yet toe do it. >> michelle, he makes an interesting point about the interplay between carson and trump. this debate on the 16th will be big. what is the dynamic between the two "front runners." do you think donald trump goes off ben carson? >> i don't think he will go after him unless ben carson goes after donald trump. carson is doing well in the polls right now.

it is amazing to see this happen. after the fox debate, carson spoke what, maybe two or three times. they finally asked him a question and he brought the audience to applause and laughter. so the someone debate will be a very, very big deal for carson. not so muchspective to see if donald trump will go after him, but to see what he will say in response to all of the questions he was asked. me made to be gaffes throughout the campaign, and now he will be on a national teenage, and i think donald trump doesn't have to go after him because ben carson will be his best friend or his worst enemy. >> he only attacks those who attack him, but he' ta attacks

at twice the force. >> did the man who wrote "the art of the deal" -- >> on the contrary, i think he gave away nothing and got everything. >> what did he get? >> he has a written commitment to every one for every one of h opponents to support him if he gets the nomination. so he gave away nothing and he got everything. classic art of the deal. >> let me show footage of vice president biden speaking very emotionally this week. >> the factor is can do i it? can my family under take what is

an big task. >> hoe re ran for president twi and he was embarrassed twice. he has been a public servant all of his life, and he has been a very good one. the idea of going back and doing this again and he will be beat. i don't care how good joe is, but the fact is when his family talks about it, he looks in the mirror, he will say this is not the way i want to go out. one other thing about trump, he also has a deal with the deal with the rnc. if he wants to run as a third party candidate for some reason, he can. >> finally, a one-word answer from each of you, does vice president biden get into this

thing? >> roger? >> no. >> michelle? >> maybe. >> bob? >> no. >> and interesting interplay in kentucky. they feel pulled for the primary audience to be supportive of her, but that is a losing method. >> if she has religious objections, she could resign. i think jailing her is ridiculous. >> thank you to my guests. talking about kim davis, a county clerk, who has become a symbol of the resistance to the ruling by the supreme court that marriage licenses can be granted to same sex couples. and on tuesday, mike huckabee and tony will be at a

free kim davis rally. >> we have a long history of accommodating people with religious conflicts. even under the administration they changed the citizenship status, they don't have to pledge to take up arms, based on moral or unethical code. this is a dilemma created by the court, and it is a travesty because the governor could have easily resolved this issue by calling the legislature into session. they could have simply allowed the name of a deputy clerk to be

on the certificate. >> it's interesting to me that you make a military argument. put that up on the screen, he says someone that objects to war because of religious conscientious has a triegt be a conscientious objector and not serve in the military. and the same applies here, doesn't professor adler make a winning argument? >> no, there sz many conscientious objectors that serve honorably in the military but they're not in a position to take up arms. they serve as medics, administrative support, and in administrative capacities. what the courts have done here

is establish a reverse religious text. they would be barred from serving in a position of public trust. for many people, religious is like a dial on their car stereos. they turn it if they don't like it. we have accommodated them -- >> respectfully, it reminds me of that which we are fighting overseas. here is another hypothetical, imagine it is not the marriage bureau, it's the d.m.v. there is a muslim clerk who takes the position that the faith doesn't recognize the right of women to drive. we would say absolutely not. you're imposing your religious on society.

>> if it offends, that is not something we take into consideration. if they're barred from getting a license, that's different. but they can go to the next clerk. a little over a year ago, i was working to advocate the release of a woman who was under arrest for her third world religion. little did i know a year later i would be advocating for a woman behind bars for her religious. he is a w appointee. a devout son --

>> governor could make accommodatako accommodations like they did in north carolina. >> i respectfully argue i think she is now ill suited for that job, thank you, tony perkins, i appreciate you being here. i want to know what people think, you can tweet me at me @smerconish. a financial expert and radio star dave ramsey is here with the scoop, next.

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being played over again? >> i have no idea, but i personally invested in 2008 all the way down and all the way out. the world didn't come to an end in 2008. we thought it would for a minute, but it didn't. and i don't think it is anywhere near that sort of thing. >> people are panicking, and i know that you're a long hold mutual fund kind of guy, am i accurate in seeing you're not advising people to sell today? >> it's the wrong time to sell, if you let your emotions manage your investments you will be broke your whole life. ride the ride, enjoy the ride, it's part of the ride. the markets come and go and that's part of the beauty of

them. you will not lose all of your money, just smile, you lost a little money if you cashed out today. if mine went down or up, i didn't lose any money because i didn't cash out. >> this is all playing itself out now against the backdrop of the 2016 presidential election. donald trump said something the other day that caught my ears. i want to play it for you. >> if you look at the economy it's been terrible. we have 93 million people out of work. they look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden statistically they're considered employeed. we lost tremendous amounts of jobs to china, japan, mexico, and so many other places. it's really very sad when you look at what is happening. >> dave ramsey, the new jobs numbers came out on friday and they caused unemployment to dip

to 5 tnt 1%, and i recognize from statements made by donald trump and other that's we have an unprecedented low level of job participation. it's hard for a layperson to make sense of it all in terms of what is the job market like? >> if real unemployment was 5.1%, that would be considered full employment. now we have measures of people who want to work and are not being issued there. it's a misnomer when you change the calculation to get the numbers to go down. in that sense the donald is on track there. there is a lot of people are unemployed and are not being counted as being unemployed. and i think the stock market reflects that.

at best we have a lackluster economy. i don't think it is as tra mdra as he has stated, but it's not as good as stated either. >> is there enough intelligent conversations about the economy? >> no, it's all soundbites at this stage. it is almost sadly humorous. i tell my listeners that most of your success, if you're watching michael and i right now, it doesn't have anything to do with washington, it has to do with you. don't will booking to one of these candidates to fix your life, that will mean your life sucks. >> you think they get too much credit and blame? >> absolutely. absolutely. i prospered under every version of conservative, liberal,

democrat, republican, right wing, left wing, all of this goes on, i'm old, i have done this a long time and my radio station gets bigger every year. i sold more books every year. but you have to get up and leave the cave, kill something, and drag it home. there is a preoccupation with the circus waiting for one of these guys to fix their life. >> you had an interesting exchange with dr. ben carson, i would like to show it to the audience. >> my plan is based on the bible. and the concept of tithing. i think god ask a fair god. he thought it was fair that if you make $10 baillion a year, yu pay a billion. the guy that put in a billion still has $9 billion left. that's not fair we need to take more of his money.

that is called socialism. those systems never work over the long run. >> you questioned dr. carson in that exchange. i know you have been inviting others in, here comes the next cnn debate, what does dave ramsey think is the financial question they should each be asked. >> do they have the political will to cut spending, really. not just yak about it, cut increases in spending, but actually cut programs. i run a business and occasionally you have to prune a rose bush to have beautiful blossoms and roses on the other side. that means cutting things that no longer work and recognizing them. anyone that has good walking around sense, knows there is a huge level of that at the federal level.

there is way too much of that. honored to have you on the program. all good things. hillary clinton finally addressed the issue of using a private e-mail as secretary of state, but her answers didn't satisfy one former attorney general. only glucerna has carbsteady, clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.

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>> my next guest, a former federal judge and u.s. attorney general finds this not just hard to believe, but illegal. they argument that clinton "defies the law and common sense." judge, before we go into the weeds, tell me in lay terms what did she do wrong? >> okay, she did two things. depending on what was in her e-mails and what she knew. the first thing she did that i think was wrong, by any standard, is to carry on her official e-mail correspondence on a private e-mail system. that is something that no reasonable person in government does, particularly in a job where you're dealing with a lot of controversial information. she says she didn't think, then certainly people around her would have tapped her on the shoulder, or should have, and said something.

but the inherent nature of what she was dealing with is that it had to be on a secured system and it wasn't. that's the first problem. >> what's the second? >> the second was wiping the server after she turned over what she says were all of her official e-mails. she turned them over in paper form rather than electronic form that makes it difficult to word search, or to search them at all, but also eliminates all of the meta data on there originally and that is essentially destroying part of the records. we don't know what else is there or if there is or items that should have been turned over. >> of what legal significance, if any, is that these e-mails were not at the time staffed

cla -- stamped classified. >> it's of no significance. the determining factor is the gla classified nature of sensitivity. >> you said it is a misdemeanor punishable by a year in prison. however, the individual that oversaw that prosecution responded to you. that is ann thompkins.

she said i oversaw the prosecution of general petraeus, and i can say this comparison has no merit. will you respond to that? >> sure, the key phrase there is based on the known facts. we don't know at this point what wicket knew about the classified name of that material. on the other hand, the more the material comes out, the more it becomes obvious that she could believe it was classifieclassif. there was one communication with tony blair about a conversation he had on benjamin netanyahu and

he says we should talk about this on a secure line. there is an executive order says that anything relating to communication with foreign powers is automatically deemed to be information that could hurt the united states and is classified. >> in the case of general petraeus, he put it into a journal that he gave to his "biographer." that seems like a clear cut case where he knew what he was doing and it was wrong. how do you get over that mens rea hurdle for clinton? >> you find out what conversations she had at the time, what was in all of the e-mails on that server and we have not seen or heard that. they have not yet all testified.

>> i should point out in this cycle, and you correct me if i'm wrong, you're a jeb guy that i think has been informally counselling him, i read the e-mails that have been released us in far and i felt a little dirty because it had nothing to do be benghazi. there was a lot of personal stuff. my worry is we're making it difficult for the next public servant to tap their friends and advisors for candid council. take 30 seconds and tell me if you think that is a justified concern. >> i don't think it is a justified concern. you can tap your friends were council all you want. you can have a conversation with them in a room. if they send you an e-mail about your official duties and about material that you're dealing with as an officer, that is a public record and the public is

entitled to know about it. when i was in government i didn't have any private e-mail server. i didn't have a private communication device. all my communicating was done in documents that were public or on a telephone or in person. >> thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, yes, the iran nuclear agreement looks like it is about to go through, but there is a lot of uneasiness for a professor who wrote a book attacking it. he is here to explain. i found her wandering miles from home. when the phone rang at 5am, i knew it was about mom. i see how hard it's been on her at work and i want to help.

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allen dursherwitz wrote a book in 11 days about the iron deal. congratulations on the book. before we get into iron, judge casey was here and we were talking about secretary clinton, react to what you heard. >> he was a great man, a great attorney general. i think he is under estimating the exto facto clause, hillary clinton had to know at the time it was classified, and he had to know that later she wouldn't know it would be classified. >> let's switch to iran. is it all over now except for the vote something. >> i think why i subtitled my book -- i anticipated this vote.

the president manipulated it undemocratically so all he yeeded is one-third of one-third of the house. now we have to figure out how to stop iran from getting -- the problem with the deal is that it only responds to 10, 12 years. and with the preface to the deal, they will under no circumstances seek out nuclear weapons. >> we need to have that sort of balance. i wish the president started and said we will stop you. why do we have to suffer from the sanctions. under the spector of american military power, we eliminated the mir tear option.

realistically we bargained as equalled. >> your good friend is netanyahu, any prospect of a first strike by him? >> i hope not, but if israel is confronted by a situation with the nuclear iron or a military strike, they will take the military strike. that makes it more risk. i think it makes it more likely. the inevitable development of nuclear weapons by iran more likely. we need to give them legislation that will toughen the deal without changing the words and tell the iranians we will not tolerate their developing of nuclear weapons. >> bob casey, a 17 page

explanation for why he is voting this way. let me ask you this question. a mistake for b.b. to have attended that congress? >> no. >> did he overplay his hand? >> no. help must defend the people of israel and say what he thinks is in the best interest of his country. the president should have invited them in. there should have been much more correlation between the legislative and the executive branch. you cannot blame the prime minister of israel for doing what they did in 1998. israel has the right to defend itself and it's people to defend themselves. if we ever get nuclear weapons, we'll destroy israel because it's a one bomb state. even if they retaliate, israel will survive and the jewish

states will not. >> this is an acknowledgment that when an advanced country seeks a nuclear weapon, we really can't prevent them from getting it. >> that's not going to work. they're going to get more money to repress. you can stop them. israel stopped iraq. you can stop an advanced country from getting nuclear weapons if you maintain a firm military option coupled with tough sanctions. >> could there be a realignment? >> it will always remain a bipartisanish. i'm going to try and push the democratics hard to maintain

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dollars go the king took over the entire four seasons hotel. my pen says 9/11 never forget. it's been 14 years but something is being forgotten, we still don't have all the answers as to what gave rise to 19 hijackers who commandered four airplanes and killed 19,000 people. we know 15 of the 19 were saudi nationals. we don't know for sure whether any acted as agents of the saudi government or senior saudi officials. the 9/11 commission report said there was no evidence of such a connection. but that finding is contested by two members of the 9/11 commission former naval secretary john layman and former secretary john kerry. an inquiry by congress points a finger at a saudi role.

i have to qualify that statement. 28 pages of that congressional report have never been made public. bob graham the former florida governor was the chair of the senate intelligence committee and co-chair of the congressional inquiry into 9/11. he often publicly stated he believes there was a connection between 9/11 terrorists and saudi arabia. just yesterday on my sirius xm radio program he said this. >> i think the evidence that at least some of the hijackers received financial and other support from agent of saudi arabia is incontrovertible. my own suspicion is that when those materials are released it's going to be found that this -- there was a network of support for the 19 hijackers, which allowed this group of men, most of whom didn't speak english, most of whom had never been in the united states, and many of whom had very limited

education to carry out the complicated plot that they did on 9/11. >> graham can't give details because they are classified but widespread reports say the 28 pages tie a saudi government agent to 9/11 i htwo hijackers. president obama promised he would release the 28 pages but a review of the office of director of national intelligence just passed the one year mark. in other words the review has now taken more than ten days for every single page with no resolution. and that's inexcusable. mr. president, please release the 28 pages. before we mark yet another 9/11 anniversary. still to come, your best and worst tweets. diabetes, steady is exciting.

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