for more than 69 years. don't forget to tune into the next gop debate this wednesday at 6:00 and 8:00 p.m. eastern here on cnn. thank you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i'm brian stelter. it's time for "reliable sources." our weekly look at the story behind the story of how news and pop culture are made. special guests are standing by this morning. first a late-night talk show called unpredictable, ground-breaking and controversial. we have the host, dick cavitett. he is here to size up stephen colbert's first week as the host of "the tonight show." weeks after alison parker and adam ward were executed on live tv, alison's boyfriend

chris hurst is about to go back on the air for the first time. you have to hear how this tragedy has changed his approach to his work. but first, the stage is almost set for the second gop debate, three days from today, 15 candidates facing off at the ronald reagan presidential library. once again, donald trump will literally be center stage. and trump's continuing rise in the polls means this debate could be even more contentious than the first, as all of the other gop hopefuls focus their attacks on trump and vie for their own breakout moments. how do you handle all of these fired up candidates and a wild card like donald trump? let's ask the man who is about to do it, cnn jake tapper who is at debate site. jake, thanks for being here. >> good to see you, brian. >> have you been watching the game tape? how do you prepare to moderate these debates? >> look, the challenge is going to be considerable, given the

fact that you have 11 candidates on the stage for the main debate and they all want to talk and they all want to make their points. we're just going to try to enforce the rules. a minute when you're called on. 30 seconds to respond if your name has been mentioned or you've been attacked. and i'm just going to do the best i can. i don't know if bringing out a whip and a lion tamer's chair would help, but we're just going to try to enforce the rules and ask the questions and see what happens. >> is one of the goals for you on wednesday to spur more actual debating? what i mean by that was, one of the most interesting moments in the fox debate last month was very chris christie and rand paul side by side talked to each other and debated each other? >> you and i are of like minds on that. i agree. that was my favorite moment from the debate. i talked to our boss, jeff zucker and said that was my favorite part of the fox debate. it was actually two guys

passionately debating an important issue. >> right. >> let's have as many of those as possible. so yes, what the team and i have been doing is trying to craft questions that, in most cases, pit candidates against the other, specific candidates on the stage, on issues where they disagree, whether it's policy or politics or leadership. let's actually have them discuss and debate. i'm going to be trying -- look, they're going to want to talk to the camera and get out their talking points, but i am going to attempt to get them to address each other and actually debate. >> you'll be joined by dana bash and hugh hewitt. do campaigns and operatives and journalists send you ideas for questions? are you overwhelmed by all the ideas? >> it's not just candidates and campaigns and journalists. it's your uncle harry and your aunt sally and the guy that you scooped ice cream with at baskin

robbins when you were 15 years old. everybody you've ever known is submitting questions, many of them great questions. >> i bet! >> a lot of them are interview questions. a lot are interview questions that would be good on a one on one but are not necessarily debate questions. that's what we've been crafting. we've been pouring over the questions that have been submitted to cnn via social media, facebook, twitter, however. we keep every day refining and refining. and we'll see if it works on wednesday. >> i asked viewers on twitter questions for you. jana asked what's your strategy or corralling the donald and limiting his bullying tactics? is there a strategy or a plan in case he goes off the reservation so to speak? >> i don't have a plan for donald trump any more than i have a plan for anyone else, which is to say, if somebody -- if there are interruptions or if there is debate, you know, i think in some cases you want to

sit back and let that happen and let candidates debate and let the organic process run its course. if it gets out of control and out of hand you want to say, excuse me. i am sorry, we'd like to let everybody have a turn or let's try to follow the rules of the debate. but i don't anticipate any more problems with any one candidate than the other. >> you don't think trump will try to make you part of the story the way he did last month with chris wallace and megyn kelly? >> i anticipate that somebody -- and i don't know who, but i anticipate that at some point somebody is going to take a shot at me as the straw man, as the stand-in for the media at large. >> right. >> i don't know how it's going to happen. i don't know when it's going to happen. i don't know who it's -- who is going to do it. we should probably lay some bets down in vegas as to what is going to be the one who does it. i don't know that it will be donald trump any more than it's going to be carly fiorina or ben

carson. the media is a whipping boy, and it's a republican debate. let's be frank. republicans often take issue with the media at large. so it could happen. my job is just to, if there -- if they're raising an issue that needs explaining, to explain quickly but generally to move on to the next question. look, isis, health care, jobs, these are topics that are much more important than me. so i'll try to focus the attention where it needs to go. >> you probably saw this morning, actually you may not have. it was during your program, state of the union, trump tweeted out why is george pataki allowed on the debate stage? i know you didn't make up the rules, didn't make up the criteria. what do you make of trump going after other candidates like this, challenging their legitimacy. our argument would be the more candidates the better, because then you hear more voices. >> first of all, george pataki is not on the main debate stage.

he is on the undercard debate stage with the three other candidates that did not make the cutoff for the main debate. so that's -- he will be on the debate stage, that's true, but he won't be with donald trump. he is not at 0% in the polls. he is at i believe 1% in the polls or whatever the minimum is to make the debate stage. so that's not accurate in terms of qualifying to get on the stage. in all fairness to donald trump, george pataki is attacking donald trump and attacking his legitimacy. george pataki said that he is not going to vote for donald trump and donald trump won't be the nominee. so, in this instance, it appears more like donald trump is firing back, counter-punching, and he has every right to do so. >> he also brought up the issue with rand paul, who will be on the main stage. he said rand paul shouldn't be allowed to participate either. maybe that creates more opportunities for the actually debating or maybe the two men

will actually talk to each other on the stage. >> look, there are issues where donald trump and rand paul disagree. there are issues where many candidates disagree. we're not just trying to set up ways for donald trump to disagree with every candidate on the stage. we have -- we are crafting questions that will pit many different candidates against one another. i hope that they will be talking about leadership and policy and politics and not who deserves to be on the stage according to polling. i don't think that voters will find that all that compelling. i do think that they will be voting on issues of leadership and policy differences, and that's what we want to get out. >> i know you're getting back to preparation. but before you go, is this the toughest assignment of your career, especially knowing how big the audience is going to be? >> the toughest assignment of my career was writing the book i wrote about afghanistan because that entailed, you know, two and

a half years' worth of work and talking to people who have suffered through some amazing, amazing tragedies, people who have lost loved ones and people who have undergone battle and lost friends. that was emotional wrenching and taxing. this is a challenge, and i'm excited about it. and i would be lying if i pretended that i am not a little nervous. but it's nothing compared to that. and look, i mean, at the end of the day, having written that book helps me keep assignments like this in perspective. i am sure there will be plenty of nasty tweets coming my way one way or another on wednesday night, as is the case every day of my life. it's nothing compared to actual bullets fired by the taliban. so i am okay. >> jake tapper, just a little nervous this morning. thank you for joining us here. >> thanks.

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the stakes are so high for wednesday's gop debate here on cnn. that's not just promotional babble. for some perspective about past debates i printed out the ratings spreadsheet for every primary season debate for the past decade. back in the 2008 campaign cycle fox's first gop debate in may of 2007 had 2.5 million viewers. then in the 2012-cycle fox's first debate of that season had 3.2 million viewers. let's face it. these events were primarily for political junkies, not for a general audience. but now that has changed. thanks in part to donald trump. fox's first gop debate this season shattered every record all at once with 24 million viewers. that's bigger than almost every

show on tv and almost as big as football. 27 million people tuned in for the nfl season opener this week. it's no wonder wednesday is being likened to a super bowl. debate gaffes and zingers have the power to make or break a campaign as some candidates know all too well. 1980, the republican primary debate when ronald reagan essentially catapulted himself to the nomination. >> i am paying for this microphone. he was funding the debate with his campaign money to try to include all the candidates. of course, he went on to win the new hampshire primary and the presidency. in 1992 jerry brown and bill clinton got into a spat on the stage. >> he is funneling money to his wife' law firm for state business. >> i don't care what you say about me, but you ought to be ashamed of yourself for jumping on my wife. you're not worthy of being on the same platform.

>> george w. bush and john mccain argued about negative ads. >> this is an attack piece. it says paid for by john mccain. >> who can forget when hillary clinton was asked about her likability in 2008. >> what can you sa i to the voters of new hampshire on this stage tonight who see your resumé and like it but are hesitating on the likability issue where they seem to like barack obama more. >> well, that hurts my feelings. >> i'm sorry, senator. i'm sorry. >> i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likeable enough, hillary. >> former texas governor rick perry would surely like to this this moment back. >> it's three agencies of government that are gone when i get there. commerce, education and the -- what's the third one there? let's see -- i can't -- the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> then of course the fox news

republican debate from just last month. new jersey governor chris christie argued with senator rand paul over the government's mass collection of personal communications. >> when you're sitting in a subcommittee just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that. >> i don't trust president obama with our records. i know you gave him a big hug, and if you want to give him a big hug again, go right ahead. >> and this moment needs no introduction. >> you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell -- [ laughter ] >> no, it wasn't. >> with this roster of candidates on stage again, you can expect more fireworks. yes indeed. joining me now and making his debut as cnn senior reporter for politics dylan byers in simi valley this morning. welcome. >> it's a privilege and pleasure to be your colleague. >> this wednesday you are out there at the debate site, the

candidates who haven't been polling as well are on at 6:00 p.m. eastern time and the higher ranking candidates will be on at 8:00. you wrote a lot about this this summer, the hand-wringing about the two-tiered fox debate. this time we're not hearing much complaining. have the candidates accepted their fates at this point? >> you have to think about it. how many candidates do we have left on the undercard stage now and how relevant are they? we have 11 candidates in the main event. rick perry who has recently dropped out of the race. i wouldn't be surprised if, by the time we get to the next republican debate we don't even have enough candidates to have an undercard debate. >> that's interesting. rick perry dropping out on friday. you wonder if the debate was part of the reason why, knowing the debate was coming. this week donald trump suggested that the profits from the cnn debate be donated to charity. the story seems dead now. cnn has not imphencommented on .

how many viewers do you expect to have tune in? >> we said 24 million viewers for the fox news debate. that was sort of opening night, right? i watched the pats-steelers game on thursday. i don't know if i'll watch thursday night football next week, so i don't know if it's going to be quite as high. i am putting it at about 18 to 20 million. donald trump obviously generates a lot of interest. we're out of summer and into the fall. i think more people are watching because of that. 18 to 20 million but i wouldn't be surprised if it went higher. >> i have been thinking 16 and 17 million. then again, there might be people who missed the fox debate who want to see what the fuss is about and maybe that will drive viewers who didn't watch a month ago. sort of those two dynamics in play. >> i think that's true. also, if you look at the highlight reel you just played, these debates are some of the most exciting moments of the political season, and that

debate a month ago, there were fireworks for the full 90 minutes. i think a lot of people who missed that debate are looking forward to tuning in to this one. >> we cannot underestimate the fact that these candidates get face time in front of 25 million viewers as opposed to in prior debate cycles, two or three million. a huge advantage from past seasons, is it not? >> it's an enormous advantage. this time in any other political cycle we're looking at two to three million viewers. the most viewers for any cable news primary debate was less than seven million. you had 24 million last time. we'll put up similar numbers this time around. the whole sort of conventional wisdom that the early days don't matter and that we're not -- this election doesn't really start until we all roll into iowa, that doesn't apply this time. donald trump has made this a major national media event that the country is paying attention to and that the country can't

ignore because you can't go to an airport or to a bar without seeing donald trump in the republican primary story rolling out as it is. >> i feel like at dinner parties people used to talk about the weather when they got there and now they talk about trump. do you think this debate is make or break for any candidate in particular? >> sure. i think it's -- it's all about promotion and relegation. if you are carly fiorina and you are on the debate stage now, you have to prove why you are there. if you're ben carson and find yourself standing at center stage, you have to demonstrate to the american people why you deserve to be there. by the same token, if you are someone like a walker or paul who has been falling in the polls or any of the candidates at the wings of the stage, you also have to demonstrate why you shouldn't be kicked off that stage. so doing that in front of 20, 24 million people as opposed to two million people is a huge opportunity, and it's free press and it's a big deal for these candidates. >> sure is like fight night. dylan, great to have you here. thanks so much.

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welcome back. week one of "the late show" with stephen colbert is in the books. what did we learn? the guest booking wars are back in a big way, especially when it comes to presidential candidates.

>> in what ways do you politically differ from your brother george? >> light-night tv. for politicians is it the new sunday manager? stephen colbert's "late show" premiere featured presidential contender george bush. >> i am obviously younger, much better looking. >> policy, though. any policy? >> two nights later it was vice president joe biden. >> do you have anything you'd like to tell us right now about your plans? >> yes. [ cheers and applause ] >> i think you should run for president again and i will be your vice president. >> light-night couches are incre creasingly a place for political q & a. colbert invited hillary clinton for his premiere too but she is doing "the tonight show" with jimmy fallon this week instead. >> once i announced i was doing it, nobody believed i was doing it. >> i didn't believe it. >> i know. >> i still don't. >> the booking battle shows the

symbiosis. >> they're not going to talk about economic policy as much as maybe what's your favorite midnight snack, what about your family, your childhood. things that wouldn't be asked by a journalist and as important to a voter and they get to show their personality hopefully. >> they use the couch to humanize themselves. john mccain announced his run on the couch in 2007. mitt romney did a top ten list. >> isn't it time for a president who likes like a 1970s game show host. >> senator john f. kennedy went on jack para's show in 1960. richard nixon did laugh in. who can if forget bill clinton playing the sax on arsenio hall.

there is the risk of an walk ward moment or coming off dull. many critics thought john kerry bombed on "the daily show" in 2004. >> are you or have you ever flip-flopped? >> now as the 2016 race heats up viewers will be watching to see if the candidates are big hits on late night or political misses. what's already clear about colbert's "late show" is that he wants to distinguish himself by having serious guests and conversations like his emotional interview with vice president joe biden the other day. let's talk about that with dick cavett. his book is out in paperback next month. mr. cavett, thank you for being here this month. >> i was in the neighborhood. >> i asked you more than a year ago on the show if you thought the decision to have colbert host the show was a gamble. here is what you said back then.

>> if they are, it's probably the best gamble anybody ever took. i can't think of anybody more qualified or if there ever has been anyone more qualified -- >> wow! >> -- to do this show. >> now you have seen the first week. do you still agree? is it true? >> absolutely. let's face it. colbert has everything that's needed. looks, brains, ability to talk, well informed. and a lightning wit. that is a couple other things, maybe his ability to dance, make him a perfect host for the show. by the way, politicians on the show can be a deadly game. >> oh, yeah? >> i will the late spiro agnew on one time, and the show went right through the floor to the center of the earth from boredom. and the idea that it's an x-ray camera scares some politicians.

the hell it is. i have sat next to the biggest phonies in the world and the camera did not detect it. >> who was the single biggest phony? >> let's see. it's such a difficult choice. one was the segregationist governor lester maddox who said i had called all the people in georgia bigots and threatened to walk off. i said if i called anyone a bigot who is not a bigot i apologize, and he walked off. he was a pretty lively guest. some just put you into the ground. >> let's look at the calendar for the next two weeks of "late night." martin o'malley on seth meyers. hillary clinton on fallon. bernie sanders on colbert. supreme court justice stephen breyer,al following week, trump with colbert, ted cruz on with colbert. let me read you something justice briar said to national justice. he said, quote, he has a serious

news show. he is more interested in news. it's not a comedy show in particular. what do you make of the idea that colbert may not be a fake newsman on comedy central, he might be per foiforming acts of journalism? >> my guest is he'll be more of a news show. he does it all well, but my guess is -- i don't mean to name-drop by saying that i know him, but he is a wonderful conversationalist. my guess is that those parts of the show will expand. and donald trump, is it, that he's having on? >> oh, yes, a couple weeks from now. >> yep. well, i can wait. >> you can wait. so you didn't watch him on fallon on friday night? he was hilarious. >> he handled himself very well. he really has the ability to do that, i have to say that for

sure. and it's good for them to appear there instead of, on some of the dreariness of sunday morning, the writer calvin trillon called the dreary gas bags. >> did you say dreariness of sunday morning? >> i did because it can lapse into the dreary. however, because of all the dear hosts who are all dear friends of mine, it rarely does. >> you saved yourself there. i'll take that. >> i tried. >> trump was on fallon. they had the scripted sketch that i thought was pretty well done. we showed -- it showed that trump can actually maybe laugh at himself a little bit. isn't that ultimately the value of these guys going on light-night? >> that's what's valuable about it, yes. and we're lucky to have two excellent guys like trump and fallon and let's not forget the excellent other jimmy. and -- yeah. and you know, we're lucky today

because in the old days people would switch back from me to jack to whatever, to johnny. now you can see both of them, or all three of them, with our new techniques. so that's a plus. and it's damned good for a politician to go on and get a laugh on late night. people immediately think i like him or her better than i did before. >> any advice for colbert now that you've seen the first week of his shows? anything he can improve on in. >> only advice would be to keep doing it and let us see more and more of you talking, because he is so good. and he is not the type who will let a politician get away with b.s. if there were a politician foolish enough to say, i can solve the border problem, colbert will say, you're not leaving here until you tell us how. or words to that effect. >> that interview will be on

september 22nd, trump with colbert. it will also be interesting to see clinton on fallon this week. dick cavett, a pleasure to have you. thank you. >> have me back! >> i'll set a date during the commercial break here. coming up on the program, though, hundreds of thousands of desperate migrants have been pouring into europe and cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon has been there nearly every step or jog of the way. this incredible live scene played out on cnn a few days ago. she joins me from the border of serbia and hungary in a moment.

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is becoming is to see when top news anchors from tv travel to the scene. nbc's lester holt is there this weekend. he will begin reporting tonight. i think the most remarkable and impressive reporting has come from the journalists who have been there for a long time like cnn's arwa damon who has covered the brutal fighting inside syria and on refugee camps inside turkey, jordan and iraq. she is at the gates of europe on the border between serbia and hungary reporting the story with power and passion. >> arwa, thank you for coming on the program. you have been covering this refugee crisis for years, you've been covering what is happening in syria and how it's spread to other countries. why do you think it seems to be breaking through now? >> i think right now it's difficult to ignore for the

western world to try to turn its back on what's happening because the -- syria and iraq crises and afghanistan, for that matter, have literally made their way all the way through europe. and deeper into western europe. you cannot ignore scenes like this anymore because this is not something that is isolated. this is something that is happening on a daily basis. thousands are making this trek. and what are now absolutely miserable conditions, parents you see they are trying to shield their children as best they can. it is pouring rain, and there is very little shelter here. in fact, the only sort of assistance that you will see in a place like this is thanks to volunteers. when this is happening in europe, europe can no longer ignore what is taking place. it is fairly easy, relatively speaking, to try to turn your back on the violence that has ravaged iraq and syria, but you can't really turn your back on

this, not when it ends up in your own back yard. >> your reports have been so widely praised here in the u.s. as some of the best reporting of your entire career. and i think one of the reasons why it has resonated so much is because it's been live. you have been walking along the highway live, running through a corn field live. tell us how you've been able to do this with your crew there in europe. >> we do this with the support of our crews, producers and camera people, also with our support in our various different headquarters because it is so important to keep tracking exactly what it is that these people are going through on a regular basis, because it's not as if they cross one border and then have an opportunity to relax or to get warm. no. this is the crossing from serbia into hungary. the gateway to the european uni union. it's our responsibility to bring as much of this as we possibly can into our viewers' homes. >> at times i've sensed you've

been frustrated by the european response to the crisis. has it been hard to keep those emotions? have you felt comfortable sharing them openly? >> i think one needs to express a certain level of frustration and anger because that is what the refugees are feeling. they fail to understand how it is that they can come this far, reach europe, and end up in these absolutely miserable conditions. the other thing is, this is not something new. sure, it's in the headlines right now. it is making big news right now, but people have been crossing this route for about a year, perhaps not in these same numbers but going through these very same hardships. we are pretty much, to a certain degree, their only voice. they are so angry, they are so desperate and confused by the way they've been treated and they are absolutely exhausted, mentally, physically, emotion emotionally exhausted and yes,

it is our responsibility to take what it is they have been through and try to tell it as best we can. that emotion has to be injected because those are their emotions, this is their hardship and anger and their frustration and desperation. and our job is to try to translate that to the best of our abilities and bring it and drive it home to our viewers and especially try to drive home the very critical point that this -- these are people, and this could be any one of us. these are people who thought that their lives were safe, who thought that their realities were stable and then saw it all ripped away from them by violence over which they had no control and who many are still struggling to comprehend. >> have you sensed that some of the government reactions we've seen in recent days have been direct result of these reports from you and your counterparts in the field? >> it's hard to tell. at the end of the day it doesn't really matter why the world is paying attention. the important thing is that they are paying attention, and i

think what's important right now is, you know, the current catch phrase seems to be europe has woken up or the world has woken up. that's great, yes. but the real issue right now is to make sure that, if in fact europe and the world have woken up, they don't fall back asleep and betray and abandon these people again. >> thank you for sharing us the journalist' role in covering it in these countries. let me clarify what i said at the beginning of the segment. i called the travellers migrants. i think the more accurate word is refugees. to find ways to help with the crisis go to cnn.com/impact. up next on "reliable sources" nearly four weeks ago the murder of two journalists live on the air shocked the nation and threw a community into grief. now the wdbj anchor who says he lost the love of his life goes back on the air tomorrow. here why chris hurst wants to get back to work, next.

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>>. >> 18 days since allison parker and adam ward were shot and killed in an early morning live shot. family and friends and colleagues are reeling from the tragedy. including evening anchor chris hurst. he and allison had been dating for nine months and wanted to get married. he tweeted we were very much in love and just moved in together. i am numb. she was the most radient woman i ever met and for some reason she loved me back. he will be back on the air for the first time since allison's killing. chris, first, thank you for being here and my condolences personally for your loss. >> thank you. >> your expectations for

tomorrow. why is it important to get back on air and get back to your job at the station? >> brian, it's what she loved to see me do. she loved to see me in work mode to have the exclusive interview all lined up while she was there at the station. she liked sheing me in that environment. also too when you take an anchor position, in times of tragedy and grief, you will have to console your viewership and the community. in this troubling time, we need to tell people that we literally will start this process together. >> feel feel like they knew allison and especially morning tv. people are waking up and getting ready for the day and watching people like allison every day. for you now that you had a couple of weeks to reflect on

this sick attack that happened, do you think it could have happened to anyone? do you think television reporters like allison are uniquely vulnerable? >> they are uniquely vulnerable, but that doesn't mean that dramatic changes need to occur. i don't think journalists want to live in an environment where they need to wear bulletproof vests or have security with them. they want to be unincumbered to do their job with great freedom. allison, you are right. she came into people's homes every morning and was the first thing many people say when they woke up and she was a shining light in our community. what adds to the tragedy is that so many thousands of people saw her and adam's death live on television and they are dealing with a unique kind of grief. we are trying to do the best we can. adam and allison made everyone's day so much better. we don't have that anymore.

we are trying to have their energy come through us, but that's a difficult challenge because they were the most unique amazing people i have met. >> allison's father made reducing gun violence his mission. you are supporting him, but not taking a particular position. tell my about that. >> i don't know if what i am doing is the right or the wrong thing. i am trying to do right by allison. she had strong convictions and ethics. there is no playbook as a journalist. i'm trying to do the work allison was doing to make it safer and better and we have to have a conversation on violence in general. why have we become a violent nation and why is it occurring in all arenas. mental health issues and the tools used to commit the acts and prosecution and legislation

as well. >> i hate to say it, but this is tricky. i maybe you are not using gun violence because you will be marred as an activist instead of a journalist. >> she doesn't feel like she needed to stand by her convictions and make a conclusion. her conclusions are a unique situation to be in and one that i am not qualified or willing to wade into. no one should have to go through the heartache or anguish like anyone who lost a loved in such a sudden fashion. there is work they can do to report or expose solutions to reduce violence. >> you would like to see a more aggressive posture from the media with these issues. >> we are the state we are on

equal level with the other branches of government. certainly in the media and journalists forget that. whey have been talking to many journalists about since this happened, allison, i believe, would want us to realize what we have is a great privilege to do what dwee. that comes with a lot of responsibility as well. she was so sponl in tresponsibl the work she did. i want journalists to remember that. >> our hearts go out to you and all of you at wdbj. thank you for being here. >> thank you, brian. have a sustained level of effort. that is what she brought to the table. it is our responsibility in the mead why to never give up that level of effort. bring it like adam and allison did. >> thank you. >> stay with us. we'll be right back. many people clean their dentures

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