after me. whatever. whatever. >> reporter: donald trump boasting about his 13-point lead to a crowd of 18,000. >> we are killing it. >> reporter: and none of his competitors were off limits. >> carly is giving me a little bit of a hard time even though her poll numbers are horrible. ben carson, he's in second place, jeb bush, governor of florida, a sitting senator in florida. marco rubio. and the poll comes out the other day, trump is leading in florida. >> reporter: again, striking a heavy on style, light on substance approach, the billionaire candidate neglected to talk policy monday night. instead claiming success with women voters. >> i'm surging with women. i have such respect for women. >> reporter: though he also highlighted his controversial comments about fox news anchor megyn kelly. >> we're going to have so many victories that at some point they'll be coming out of your ears.

though i have to be careful what i see about coming out of somebody's ears. i have to be careful. >> reporter: inside, cheers on a hot button issue, immigration. >> we have to end this sanctuary cities crap fast. the whole subject of anchor babies, we didn't say that somebody could be pregnant for nine months, come across the border, have a baby and now it's ours and we have to take care of the baby forever. >> reporter: while outside, hundreds of latinos protested trump's harsh rhetoric on the issue, marching under the slogan dump the trump. >> his words have hurt many people. >> we have to respect each other. we're human beings and we're here to stay. >> reporter: now the big question remaining, will trump tweak his strategy before taking center stage at wednesday night's debate. >> he's had the most television training of any candidate in the modern political error. he's a highly skilled television professional. so he's not going to change that.

>> hugh hewitt giving his take. >> a lot to talk about. >> what are the strategies that these different candidates are going to use? how much of it will be about trump? let's discuss. cnn national political reporter maeve reston, also positioned outside the library and errol lewis, cnn commentator, political anchor at new york one news. we heard hugh hewitt saying trump has a lot of experience on tv. true. he has a lot of experience doing something else, branding. when he says trump is leading in florida, he's being arrogant. he's disassociating the brand from himself. isn't that a big reason people are grabbing on? >> sure. it's one of the many rules he's rewritten. most people talk about themselves, growing up in a log cabin or humble roots. >> talk about somebody else. >> exactly right. trump instead talks about trump. he is building a brand, connecting with voters, doing all of these things.

but i think the challenge though is seeing that, this has led him to 30% in some cases 40%. that's not a majority. six out of ten republican voters are still saying i want to look at somebody else. the fact that it's spread out over, you know, a dozen candidates, is the temporary reality, that's not going to be the reality forever. donald trump has a small group of people who like the brand. who will sit in that stadium. >> it's not small. he's attracting a stadium sized crowd. >> well, i mean, as hugh hewitt pointed out, they didn't come for substance. they didn't get substance. they came for entertainment, inspiration, perhaps, which is not a negative thing. does this translate into votes, though? >> maeve, as a political reporter, wednesday night has to be your dream come true. tell us who you will be keeping an eye on? aside from trump who will you be watching wednesday night. >> this is a high stakes game

for all of these guys who have slid back in the pack as trump as taken a greater and greater part of the vote share. obviously all eyes are on ben carson who's been kind of sliding up behind trump, perhaps threatening to eclipse him a little bit. certainly the biggest test really is for jeb bush who was once thought to be the nominal front-runner here, $100 million raised by him and his allies and he's been really intensive debate prep. obviously he's been kind of out of the arena for a few years now. trying to s toing t toing to sy talking points. i think it will be interesting, obviously someone like scott walker has almost fallen off the stage if you look at the polls. he's down at 2%. so it will be really incumbent on them to do something that creates some fireworks and bring

some attention back to their campaign. >> maeve, you make a point about jeb wanting to bring the same passion and anger or he's going to do something in politics they call the positive opposite, that's where carly fiorina comes in. she doesn't want to match the hostility of donald trump because she thinks it's counterproductive. now she has an opportunity. let's play her ad, which tees up what donal may have to deal with tomorrow night. >> ladies, look at this face. and look at all of your faces. the face of leadership. the face of leadership in our party. the party of women's sufferage. >> if carly comes tomorrow and that is her line against donald trump of exposing the insult but also becoming a positive opposite, how could it work? >> well, that won't be the only thing she's bringing tomorrow night. i covered her 2010 senate

campaign out here in california. i am sure she has some amazing lines up her sleeve. she's one of the most practiced and just sharp candidates on a debate stage. she's incredibly disciplined. and she knows how to throw a punch or a jab donald trump's way in a way that comes off as benefiting her. a little bit softer touch. we saw that in the first debate. i'm expecting to see fireworks from carly. this is totally her arena. she loves this kind of back and forth. she did a really great job against barbara boxer within she was running against her in southern california. >> errol, what is the strategy? are people going to wait for trump to hurl an insult or will they punch first. >> some of the candidates are waiting to throw something. they've spent a lot of time crafting something. the scott walkers of the field, the people feeling desperate as they see their numbers dwindle will try and get some piece of

his glow. carly fiorina, that ad we just saw, that's exactly the right way to do it. bounce after it. only would you realize this say trouble line that she's turning to her advantage. the reality is, you have to go out and make your own message, play by your own rules. if you try to play the donald trump game, he'll blow you right away. he has 14 years experience. this is a crowded stage. you run for senate, governor, there might be two on the stage, might be three on the stage. 13 on the stage? 11 on the stage? it's never been done. so what most people will do, i think if they want to be smart about it is either save the line or get rid of it in the first round of questioning and go back to building their own brand. >> they have a bigger concern now, maeve. donald trump is always the target that we put out there for the rest the field. now they're worried about attrition. now that governor perry is out, a lot of these campaigns are talking about who's going to be next? we need to survive more than we

need to take out donald. if you need to pick two or three candidates that have to make a case tomorrow night that they're in for the long haul, who would they be? >> jeb bush has to show he can bring it. he has don't ares that are jittery about his slide in the polls. rubio has to have a strong performance if he's going to continue to argue that he can be the youthful, charismatic, standard bearer for the party. certainly ben carson to show he can match trump. at the same time we have to remember one of the most dangerous dynamics of a debate is too many potentially piling on trump. that can work to his benefit if you end up having those kinds of dynamics. >> right. >> there'ses aloy the play here, especially with the group dynamic. >> you don't want to see trump as the victim. s speaking of turning lemons into lemonade, jeb bush has a new campaign out, telling trump to speak english while in america.

watch a portion of this. >> i have lived more than half my life here. i agree that we all have the same interests, the same feelings. [ speaking spanish ] >> okay. that was jeb speaking spanish and his wife speaking english. >> great ad. it will enrage part of the republican base, for sure. it may backfire to a certain extent. the people we think he's trying to get, if he's trying to pull some of the trump voters, that ad is not going to do it. somebody who hasn't been mentioned, governor kasich has to have a big night this week. >> there you go. >> he had a bit of an excuse the last time. he came into the race right before the debate. his numbers didn't move all that much. he had a good performance on stage. this time he has to do it and it has to be substantial. if he's going to be looked at as an alternative to jeb bush as the establishment's best hope as

a conservative that may have crossover appeal, the jeb bush ad will not do it. if he has something better to offer, we need to see it this week. >> th>> governor kasich has mad it clear he doesn't want to get into a blood bath from donald trump. how do you steal some of his fire without drawing fire? >> thank you for starting off off right. tune in to the cnn republican presidential debate, starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the prime time event with 11 candidates on stage begins at 8:00 p.m. you won't want to miss this high stakes debate from the reagan presidential library in simi valley. serious news. eight people are dead, breaking news breaking overnight. heavy rain caused roadways to quickly flood along the utah/arizona border. looking at this dramatic rescue that unfolded on video, raging floodwaters surround a car. the passenger is pulled out one

by one. let's turn to cnn meteorologist chad myers with the latest. boy, what a concern there. >> that story there had a good ending but there are other stories that did not. this storm started yesterday afternoon about noon. then there was another storm around 3:00 and all of this weather focused right on colorado city. there was a flash flood, a second later on and some were caught off guard. >> this is the front yard. >> reporter: dramatic video this morning showing a massive and deadly flash flood. ripping through a small town on the arizona/utah border. you can hear the screams from shocked residents. stunned by the rushing water. >> whoa! >> what's happening right now? >> reporter: the cause, heavy rain falling in the mountains above a canyon town, causing the river to rise rapidly, catching onlookers off guard. >> it's starting to slide. >> reporter: watch this video of

rescue crews racing to save a family from a car, moments from being swept away. >> they're getting everybody out. >> reporter: children pulled quickly from car windows. the flood so strong, trees uprooted by the current, pile up. >> that's pretty powerful. >> reporter: a search is still under way for several people. after two vehicles carrying a total of 16 parked to watch the flood were swept away by the intense rush of water. at least eight have been found dead. all of the victims, mothers and small children. the youngest just 4 years ole. >> there's still active floodwaters and very dangerous, very treacherous. the banks are caving off, more significant flood than we've had for quite some time. >> reporter: water went from zero feet in this canyon river to eight to ten feet and back down rapidly. the fire chief said the sun came back out but not before so much

tragedy there. we talk about fires across parts of the west. there's an awful lot more weather coming for those firefighter as well. valley fire, butte fire, hundreds of smaller fires across california. about to encount a cold front. that could mean some rain but that could also mean significant wind along the front itself. firefighters don't want wind, certainly they just want the rain. with the wind here, 19, 16, 24 miles per hour at times today, that will take the embers and throw them downwind, chris. you never want the embers to blow farther away. krogh can make more fires from the embers alone. >> governor brown saying people against mother nature, and mother nature is stronger than we are. other breaking news this morning, more threats out of north korea, saying they're ready to use nuclear weapons against the u.s. and anybody else at any time. cnn's kathy novak is live in seoul, south korea with the

latest. where is this coming from and what do you think the point is here? >> reporter: it's coming from the state news agency, kcna, chris. back in 2013 when north korea last conducted a nuclear test, it promised it would restart operations at a key nuclear facility and this article in kcna says that is what happened. that facility is fully operational and it's launching this threat against the united states. take a listen. if the u.s. and other hostile forces persistently seek their reckless hostile policy towards north korea and behave miss chiefously, the dprk is fullried to to cope with them with nuclear weapons any time. james clapper says that north korea was indeed following through on this promise to expand that nuclear facility and part of the season this is of extra concern is the timing. it is coming ahead of a major

anniversary that north korea is planning to mark on october 10th. there was already speculation it cowl be planning some more provocation, perhaps a rocket launch, perhaps a nuclear test. both south korea and the united states are watching these developments very closely. alisyn? >> thanks for that back ground. more breaking news to tell you about here at home. that man suspected of killing a professor at delta state university in mississippi an a woman he lived with is dead. he was found by authorities with a self-inflicted gunshot. cnn's alena leen na mlina mach latest. >> reporter: he told investigators he wasn't going to jail. when they finally caught up with him, he pulled out a gun and killed himself. schmidt was a history professor at the university. police say he was shot in the head in his on-campus office yesterday morning. no gun was found at the scene, only two shell casings were left

behind. even though police were on the scene within two minutes, schmidt's killer was able to get away now, the shooting prompted a lockdown as local and state law enforcement agencies launched a manhunt. we later learned that almost was also wanted in the killing of 41-year-old amy prentiss. she was found 300 miles from campus. police say she lived with lamb and they believe she was killed earlier in the morning. so far, authorities have not released any information on a possible motive for the professor's killing. all we know is that lamb and schmidt taught together at delta state. >> frightening time for the students and faculty at delta state. thanks for the update. an unruly female passenger forced an american airlines flight from miami to chicago to make an emergency landing in indianapolis. >> nothing wrong. ow! >> video there shows the woman being removed from the plane. witnesses say her behavior became more erratic during the

flight. she allegely hit a fellow passenger and a flight attendant. she's been charged with battery, criminal recklessness and disrupting the operation of an aircraft. don't you find you look at the person next to you on a plane assessing the person. >> they can tell there's nothing unhinged. >> i am a nervous flyer. i do look at them and think, do i need to tackle somebody? >> we cool? we cool? you never look at someone and say, do i have to tackle that person? >> i look at somebody and say who around me will tackle this person? >> i look around the plane and i try to figure out who the marshall is. >> me, too. >> who's going to save me. >> me, too. the gop field lost one man. more are sure to go. events like tomorrow's republican debate right here on cnn can make or break a candidate. the first debate was for show. now it is time to go. donald trump has a bullseye as big as his lead on his back.

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so the debate. i hear they're all going after me. whatever. whatever. i hear it. >> one of those quotes that you'll hear in history at some point. >> whatever. >> whatever. but it does sum up his attitude towards the people who are coming after him. donald trump says he's ready to shine. and there is no need to hide before the debate. so he was in texas as you just saw with over 10,000 cheering him on. but tomorrow, ready for this, it's not really about him. >> i'm sorry, what? >> yes. cnn political commentator, republican consultant margaret hoover enaand editor in chief a the daily beast, john avalon. here's why. there's no fear of trump dropping out but there's attrition going on here.

governor perry is out. who's next? people are saying we have to hang on, find a way to hold on and make it through the next seven, eight months and get in the real race. so is it fair to say it's not all about trump tomorrow? he doesn't have to prove himself? >> no. he has a towering lead over the rest of the party. the question is who else in the field is going to step up, stand out in the pack? >> who do you predict that to be? >> marco rubio could be a great candidate in the cycle and he has faded into the background. he's got to step up. >> you suggest punching at donald trump though? >> not necessarily standing up and pinching at donald trump. you have to show a vision an a contrast with this kind of a threat. >> jeb bush has to do that. >> the only person i think has it in the make-up to be able to do that is carly fiorina, not because she's going to go at him directly. nobody wins when you go after him directly. she's best and most effective with the counterpunch. she's a shrewd candidate. truly, ben carson is the only

one apologized to donald trump for going after him. frankly he's come out okay. he is the anti-trump. right? he's the guy that iowans are going to like. it shows. he's surging everywhere. >> he's not a positive opposite of donald trump. >> nobody wants a positive opposite at this point in the cycle. they want an outsider who is authentic, who can offer something different. carly fiorina has that, ben carson has that. they don't have the anger and all the baggage that donald trump has. >> they have no governing experience between the three people you just mentioned. that's okay. >> sure. >> that's a bad word, though, right now. >> that is a bad word. >> experience. >> that's a real problem in the republican party right now. their hatred of government has turned into a people with a dislike of governing. >> they say you'll get good people around you. get up on that stage tomorrow night and let you know why you're for me as much as trump is and why you'll stop playing this game and do it in a way that doesn't make me hate you more than i love you.

>> bernie sanders, even though he's been a snaer for 25 years is the outsider candidate. why is he doing well? because he's not hillary clinton who's been in washington also for 25 years. there's this insane anti-outsid anti-outsider. i'm sorry. anti-insider, pro-outsider. >> carly fiorina has to counterpunch but not throw the first jab. what does that look like on wednesday? >> i love when you talk boxing. i want you to know that. >> none of the candidates can let trump define them. don't let him have the first word. is jeb bush or ben carson too low energy? they've been define by trump as low energy. you have to push back against trump defining you without actually attacking trump directly because you lose. >> look, when you argue with a fool, you have two fools. what you need to do is stand up and say that this is a cancer on our party and the conservative movement, we need to stand up

and send a positive, inclusive direction for america that's deeply conservative and do that with a sense of integrity. >> i said that, you gave me the stink eye. your husband says it, you're looking at him adoringly. >> "a," you're not my husband. "b," what you say is right except that it can't be that explicit. it has to be implicit. what did she do? she came out with an ad -- the my face ad. she didn't reference trump. it was more of a hit at hillary than donald trump. >> two for. >> it has to be more implicit. >> "the new york times" is saying jeb bush is going through rigorous practice sessions and going over pointed responses. >> is he pointing at me. >> i want the rocky montage of jeb -- >> that's exactly right. >> egg yolks in his morning orange juice. >> a training video, now. >> hold on a second.

>> george h.w. would be the father figure. >> he's an opponent. >> that's hilarious. >> don't make me throw it in. >> anything worse than i'm going to be feisty? >> that's very mitt romney, trying to get out of the straitjacket. that's the problem. jeb has to be jeb. the question is style versus substance. >> you know what name we're not saying here? john kasich, you know, you're all over my positive opposite. it cost me a whole lunch to sit down with this guy who does this for a living. i thought i had a great line and you crushed it. he is somebody in this field, who yes he may have that dirty word of governing experience but he checks so many boxes that could make him formidable in the general. he needs tomorrow night to stand up and say why he's different than these other people. >> he does. >> in a way that doesn't get him punched in the nose by the big man but allows him to make this case that we are better than what we are right now. >> that's what he succeeded doing first. send a positive, inclusive

vision to the republican party, a passionate conservative rooted in midwest governorship. he's not big enough for other people to attack down to. it will be a big debate for kasich to continue that message. do you agree? >> he's third in new hampshire. he just has to keep -- >> he spent a lot of time and money there. it's the only place he's popped so far. >> ask john mccain if you need much more. >> fair point. >> great to see you guys. we'll be looking forward to all of your insights for the next 24 and many hoursen yod. thanks so much. >> i don't think i'll get my lunch reimbursed now. they'll say this is an unjustified lunch. tune in tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern for the cnn republican presidential debate. this is the first set of field, governor, senator, governor, senator, big field there .prime time event begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern. i'm not going to name what everybody else here is or is not. we have an update coming on the death toll.

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avalon. gentlemen, let's see if we can get through 11 candidates. we have a few to start with. let's just do quick takes here. we're going to start with donald trump. the man in the middle of the stage tomorrow night, what should he avoid? >> he'll have to stick to what has worked. the petty putdowns, the insults, the avoiding of any kind of discussion of policy. in fact he qun get into policy because either what he has to say is going to be very, very much against what the republican core wants to hear or it's going to be inconsistent. >> all right. next up, john avalon, jeb bush. performance for him tomorrow night is critical. >> he has to show fire in the belly, stand up for his vision of the republican party and draw a clear contrast. >> errol, scott walker is next in our lineup. we've seen his numbers drop significantly since the last debate. what is he going to have to do to keep this campaign alive? >> he should go back and look at the speech in which he announced. he fought battles for the

conservative cause and won them. he can't appear desperate. he has been sinking in the polls. if he starts going after trump in a different way, it will completely blow up in his face. >> ben carson, what does very to do. >> he has to keep the numbers up, can't be a beta version of donald trump. he needs to have a clear contrast. >> this is a name we haven't been hearing a whole lot of. ted cruz. what does he have to do? what should he avoid? >> he's been making an alliance of sorts with donald trump and get some of the trump voters. that's a tough call for somebody who is as socially conservative as he is. if he tries to grandstand, it doesn't work in debates or government either. >> we're dividing up the next level. we know you've been watching marco rubio. what are you thinking for him? >> he has to make the case that he is the republican's strongest general election candidate

against hillary clinton. he has to show passion, clarity and make the case for generational change. >> we're ticking them along here. mike huckabee, errol? >> he needs to remind us he was a governor once upon a time. he has government experience. he's recast himselves is a social conservative and tv commentator. same-sex marriage, abortion, these are dead issues for this particular election. >> rand paul, he made news with the back and forthwith christie. what will he be focusing on this time around? >> rather than simply getting in food fights with other people on the stage, he needs to own the space as the white knight of libertarianism on the stage. he needs to be a champion, he needs to throw a clear philosophical contrast. >> john, we're changing it up. kasich. what do we have to do here? obviously his performance in the polls hasn't been overwhelming. so what next? >> he's got to keep the momentum.

he has to be the happy warrior, the guy who can make the case for compassion aate conservativ. he has to make that clear. >> here's somebody who has similarities with donald trump in a way, chris christie. >> he has a lot to explain. he has a record that he's trying to run on that includes a disastrous public pension system, that includes a full-blown scandal that burst into the national view in the last week. he has to get into it. he can't go around blaming everybody else. he blames the state senate, the democrats, obama, everybody. >> i know it's killing you not to be able -- >> last but not least, carly fiorina. a lot resting on her shoulders tomorrow night. >> she fought for and got the right to change the rules a little bit and get into the main debate. she has to show she belongs there and can have the conversation that has been going on at the big kid's table so to speak. >> we realize she was able to improve her standings since the

last debate. let's talk about the happy hour, if you will, the lower-tiered candidates. what are your thoughts about what they need to do in preshow, if you will? >> lindsey graham needs to keep being the truth teller. bobby j booby jindal is getting his roots, fighting with donald trump in ways that are honest. i think jindal and graham have the best shot of making a case. >> governor george pataki has a splendid record to run on. he lowered the budget in new york, saw us through the post-9/11 period. it's a little bit distant. voters don't remember it. he has to real estate mind usmi >> kasich jumped into the race before the last debate. we didn't have a chance to see

him flesh out some of his ideas. a lot of conservatives are backing him. he's an alternative to jeb bush. he has experience. >> you don't agree? >> the biggest thing right now is jeb bush has to show that he's not beta bush. he has to come out, show real following and make the case he can be the leader of this party right now. if he doesn't that momentum will keep going down. >> we tried something new and you did it well. a plus grade. tune in tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern for the cnn republican presidential debates. the prime time event begins at 8:00 eastern. do not miss it. donald trump says he cherishes women and women love him. for the first time, there will be a woman on stage with him tomorrow night. he's not been cherishing of her. is there a carly/donald showdown in the cards? tina brown weighs in, next. s pa, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day.

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i have such respect for women, i cherish women. i'm going to take such good care of women's health care issues. you won't even believe it. but i'm surging with women. >> you owon't even believe it, e says. that was donald trump talking about women last night during his rally in texas. qualify kf may not fe-- carly fiorina may not feel cherished by him. we bring in our guest. great to have you here. >> thank you. fun to be here. >> does donald trump cherish women? is that the right word? >> what a lovely word. i also love "i'm surging with women." that's a good one, too. the amazing thing about trump, he gets to say anything and not go down. you would think he lost women by

this time. people understand he's not running a political campaign. this is standup, performance art, a late-night comic. he can make outrageous comments and people laugh. they know that's his brand. insult is his brand. >> is he a sexist? >> i think he doesn't know how to be different. i think that's who he is. when you say is he sexist? i don't think he'd consider himself sexist. he's just that guy that behaves like that. >> can you only be sexist if you consider yourself sexist? that would be a nice out for a lot of people. >> of course he's sexist. but he can get away with it because women know it's just his brand. >> let's take that one more step. they know it's his brand. it's okay for him because that's part of the confounding thing about covering him. is that the normal rules don't at ply. his supporters will say that's because you media people are all caught up in this pc stuff that we don't care about. he's speaking the truth. he's rough around the edges. i'm not electing him uncle.

i'm electing him as one who will take on the tough stuff. >> when he forgets people's name, usually an index for a fool if you don't remember a foreign leader's name. it doesn't bother them. the reason it doesn't work with the others is because they know the public knows these are the poll tested guys with their market research and their positioning themselves here, positioning there, so when you get called out, the phony gets called out. when donald trump makes grotesque off the cuff remark, he was asked about how does he feel about his birther comments about obama? he says, i'm off that topic. >> it will be interesting to see how they do it on the debate stage tomorrow. we've been watching this situation play out, the back and forth between carly fiorina and donald trump. carly fiorina has responded to

that comment he made about, look at that face. she created -- her team created an ad. let's watch it. i want you to give me your take on how you think she handled it. >> ladies, look at this face. and look at all of your faces. the face of leadership. the face of leadership in our party, the party of women's suffrage. >> take the air out of that face comment. >> that was brilliant, actually. >> she's smart. >> it's a huge boone when somebodysults your looks. i love the way she said, i owned every wrinkle except she doesn't have any. because she can afford not to. i think she handled it extremely well. she turned herself into a dove ad, the slowly smiling women, the little girls. it was great.

great job of it. >> do you think she should look at donald and say, are you going to apologize? >> no. she's a tough lady and she's making the point, i can take the heat. that i think is appealing. i'll make a joke out of this. she's not going to suddenly get us off into that pc sort of bridge. that's smart of her. actually people are tired of that. >> let's look at the latest poll numbers about donald trump with women. this is the republican's choice for nominated 2016. he gets 33% of women's support. carson 22%, bush 10% and down from there. so -- >> fiorina is only at 3%. that could be name recognition also. >> women like authenticity. as i've said. they feel he's authentic. so they don't mind that he says these things. i do think that his racism is going to absolutely boomerang. all we need, frankly, i think

trump could implode, not with these grotesque shave in any event -- chauvinistic stuff. there will be an incident in which immigrants are violently treated and the name of trump is invoked. at that time, americans who are decent about these issues will say, you know what, it was fun for the summer but this guy cowl create proobs fproblems for us. >> holing the first summit in london. what are your goals, what are you hoping to achieve by taking the sum tote london? >> we've become a global brand. we've gone on to india after that. we made a partnership with the "new york times" which enables us to make these expansions. our goal is to see the guys through that of women.

we lean on, not in, we lean on unfair governments and unequal situations all over the world. women who are repressed in countries that doesn't have an equal opportunity in any sense. at the same time, we also celebrate women of achievement who have broken through and can tell their stories. to bring it to europe which is in the middle of so much turmoil and the refugees, for instance, will be a big part of women in the world this year. we have women from syria who are so brave and surmounted so many obstacles. that was our goal, bring it alive in europe. >> sounds wonderful. atina brown, thank you. >> tweet us using #newdaycnn. also on facebook, facebook.com/newday. the prime time event begins at 8:00 p.m. tomorrow night. you don't want to miss

donald trump is an entert n entertainer. i am a leader. >> tomorrow is the cnn republican presidential debate. >> i hear they're all going after me. whatever. >> i've watched jeb bush/donald trump food fight. nobody cares. >> a massive and deadly flash flood. rescue crews racing to save a family from a car, moments from being swept away. at least eight people are dead. several more are missing. two massive wildfires burning in northern california. >> as tens of thousands evacuate. >> as it came down, there was fire everywhere. >> we are really in a battle with nature. >> nature is more powerful than we are. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira.

we are hours away from the highly anticipate d debate on cnn. cnn's kyung lah is live in colorado state, arizona. kyung, the situation? >> reporter: about a mile downstream from where those cars were swept away by sudden flash floods. you can see that heavy machinery right over my shoulder. they're moving very, very quickly. they're digging through heavy mud, rocks, broken twigs, looking for several that are missing. and what makes all of this so desperate and heartbreaking is that the missing are mothers and children. >> this is the front yard. >> dramatic video this morning, showing a massive and deadly flash flood ripping through a small town on the arizona/utah border.

you can hear the screams from shocked residents stunned by the rushing water. >> whoa! >> what's happening right now. >> heavy rain falling in the mountains above the canyontown earlier in the day caused the river to rise rapidly, catching onlookers off guard. >> whoa. >> watch this video of rescue crews racing to save a family from a car moments away from being swept away. >> they're getting everybody out. >> reporter: children being pulled from the windows. the flood so strong, trees uprooted by the current pileup. >> that's pretty powerful. >> reporter: a search is still under way for several people. after two vehicles carrying a total of 16 parked to watch the flood were swept away by the intense rush of water. at least eight have been found dead, all of the victims mothers and small children. the youngest just 4 years old.

>> there's still active floodwaters and dangerous, very treachero treacherous. a more significant flood than we've had for quite some time. >> reporter: back live here now. again, about a mile downstream from where the cars were swept away. the people in the foreground with their backs to us, they are members of the community that have been holing vigil here throughout the night. we are told from people who have seen them. this is a very small community, a community that is home to the flds religious sect, a very tight community and one tonight that -- this morning at least, is praying for a miracle. michaela? >> a miracle indeed. kyung, thank you for the update. meanwhi meanwhile, water would be such a blessing for the fire yews battling fires in northern california. the valley fire which began on saturday has become the most destructive wildfire of the season. it has already spread to three

counties. cnn's dan simon is in middletown, with the latest. looking at the charred remains of those homes. it's terrifying. >> reporter: yes, michaela, the severity is becoming more clear. you have 600 homes destroyed in this fire alone. that statistic itself makes this the worst wildfire not just in california but the entire west coast for this fire season. we were driving around, we happened to find another neighborhood that's been destroyed. once again, you soon see the cars and the homes that have been destroyed, probably three or four homes just on this street. it's just endless devastation. at this point, ma quayle la, we know of one fatality and the situation regarding this woman's death is absolutely heartbreaking. this was a 72-year-old woman who was disabled. she had multiple sclerosis, her name is barbara mcwilliams. and her caregiver who wasn't

home at the time, she alerted authorities and said that mcwilliams needed help. but by the time authorities got there, her home was already fully engulfed. just a terrible situation. we know that more people are unaccounted for. the chances that the death toll will rise, unfortunately, are probably pretty good. we'll send it back to alisyn. >> thanks so much for the update. the make or break republican debate one day away. donald trump passing on the prep work last night to hit the campaign trail. instead, he energized a big dallas crowd with his calls to build a wall along the mexican border. hundreds of latinos outside the rally were not happy. athena jones with the latest. >> reporter: last night was quintessential donald trump. he used his trademark fiery and controversial rhetoric to talk about illegal immigration while attacking his critics.

the crowd in dallas seemed to love it. >> reporter: just hours away from the cnn gop debate, the front-runner, shrugging off mounting attacks from his rivals. >> i hear they're all going after me. whatever. whatever. >> reporter: donald trump boasting about his 13-point lead to a crowd of 18,000. >> we are killing it. >> reporter: and none of his competitors were off limits. >> carly's giving me a little bit of a hard time even though her poll numbers are horrible. ben carson, nice man, i think he's in second place. jeb bush, governor of florida. you have a sitting senator in florida, marco rubio and the poll comes out the other day, trump is leading in florida. >> reporter: again, striking a heavy on style, light on substance approach. the billionaire candidate neglected to talk policy monday night. instead, claiming success with women voters. >> i'm surging with women. i have such respect for women. >> reporter: though he also highlighted his controversial

comments about fox news anchor megyn kelly. >> we're going to have so many victories that at some point they'll be coming out of your ears. i have to be careful what i say about coming out of somebody's ears. i have to be careful. >> reporter: inside, cheers on a hot button issue. immigration. >> we have to end this sanctuary cities crap fast. the whole subject of anchor babies, we didn't say somebody could be pregnant for nine months, come across the border, have a baby and now it's ours and we have to take care of the baby forever. >> reporter: while outside, hundreds of latinos protested trump's harsh rhetoric on the issue. marching under the slogan dump the trump. >> his words have hurt many people. >> we have to respect each other. we're human beings and we're here to stay. >> reporter: now the big question remanning, will trump tweak his strategy before taking

center stage at wednesday night's debate? >> he's had the most television training of any candidate in the modern political era. he's a highly skilled television professional. so he's not going to change that. >> reporter: i've got to say i have to agree with hugh hewitt there. it doesn't seem like trump has any plans to change his approach heading into tomorrow night. we'll next hear from him later today when he delivers a speech on national security to veterans aboard a retired battleship. chris? >> athena, thank you very much. we have a great guest for you right now. he knows many of the candidates from his time in congress and he also knows what it's like to be anti-establishment before it was so cool like it is now. former republican senator from oklahoma, tom coburn. >> pleasure. >> it is not new for you to hear about going after the culture going on in d.c., trying to change from within. what do you think of the tone of the gop side of the race right now? >> one, chris, i haven't watched

it very much. i think we're way too early for me. >> is it just the timing or is there another aspect that turns you off? >> i think it's way too early for us. if you look historically, people that are ahead this time usually aren't ahead when we get down in spring of next week. so to me, it's early. i think what you ought to do, why you see some out there like carson and trump and others, is the reason. they have votes is because they're appearing authentic. and you know, that's the real deal. it's not about knowing everything. it's about what do you feel, how do you feel about it and can you express your inner feelings in a way that's not politically correct? but still careful to not judge other people? >> is it sounds good versus works well, though? in that analysis, if somebody goes down into d.c., doesn't know the system or what's going on, surrounds themselves with the smartest people in the world

that presumably could know the system, do you think they can be effective? >> yes, i do. i think what you have to do is fix the real problems, not what appear to be the problems. that's one of the reasons i left the senate. >> what are real problem that we're not hearing about? >> the number one people the most people in the senate and the house are career politicians and they're conflicted over doing the right thing for the country versus the right thing for the re-election. same is true of leadership. leadership will do what helps them maintain majorities. and what gets lost in that is the fact that american people's needs, wants and desires take second place. so why are we not addressing right now in this presidential debate the fact that medicare, medicaid, social security, federal employees retirement, military retirement, all going bankrupt. we done the have the money to pay for them. last year, for example, cbo and omb, said our deficit was $480

billion. we added $4.6 trillion in unfunded liabilities. we actually accumulated $5 trillion worth of debt. and we're to the point now where every taxpayer is on the hook for a million bucks. every taxpayer. and i just noticed yesterday what was 106,000 for american family on publicly held debt. why aren't we fixing the real problems. >> they're too hard to deal with. >> no, they're not. >> doesn't sound good. you just depressed me. i want to be passionate. you have to capture my imagination. don't tell me how bad things are. >> it's about let's solve the problems and there's not a problem we can't solve if we do it together. we can't keep lying to the american people about where we are. >> why is nobody in the field talking about this? >> well, chris christie is a little bit. they're wanting to get elected more than fix the system. >> that's the system, isn't it? >> here's the problem. they are getting worse every

year. if you don't talk about it during the political campaign, you'll never get the political will to fix it. >> you'll have no mondaydateand >> right. >> carly fiorina, you seem to say the most unqualified positive things about carly fiorina. is that true? why? >> i know her heart. she's authentic and sincere. >> do you think it is silly to ask the question as to whether or not she can stand toe to toe with these guys on the stage tomorrow. >> that's a silly question. >> she's got a good a chance of shining as anybody. >> absolutely. >> why? >> she's smart, capable. has worked her way up from very low position to a very high position. she's experienced toughness in terms of her business dealings. she's experienced success and failures. i'm not endorsing anybody in the race because i think it's way too early. you'll see a lot of gaffes come in the next few months. >> do you think among the

outsiders, that's who's catching the imagination, donald trump, dr. ben carson, carly fiorina, less so in the polls but more in the media. do you think she's the best out of the three in terms of who can do it? >> i don't know. i don't know the others well enough to know that. an answer to that. what i do know, she's not afraid to take on a problem but she'll never -- it will never get fixed in washington. what is happening to our country is never going to get fixed in washington. >> where is it going to get fixed? >> through a convention of states where we call a convention. >> a constitutional type convention? >> it's called a convention of states. there's a big difference between a constitutional convention and convention of states. a convention of states is specific. we force a balanced budget under generally accepted principles. we cause them to limit the scope and jurisdiction of federal government more in line with the enumerated powers, article 1, section 8 of the constitution.

>> intriguing but what would be the authority? >> the authority is already in the constitution in article 5. >> convention of states, you would harness the power of the constitutional principle, bring the states together, create a quorum and pass laws. >> high bar. you have to get 34, 38 to pass anything. it's not a reckless approach. it's a smart approach. because washington's never going to give up power and they're never going to fix things. >> you think the states could do it better? >> i think states as a group want to have their power restored which has been taken away. i think congress as a group would like to have their power back which they've given away to the president. you know, the fact is bureaucracies write most of the laws in this country and they're never held accountable by our elected representatives. that needs to change. >> you're looking at your party, the gop, yes, it's early but do you believe that donald trump is the legitimate face of the gop right now? he's leading in every poll by a

yawning measure. >> i can't answer that for you. i was never a legitimate face of the gop. i don't know what that is. what i know is, most americans don't want us to throw away $400 billion a year, which we are. most americans want less government, not more. most americans love the social systems we have but want to make sure they're secure so they have to be changed we're going to keep them. most americans want their freedom more than they want big brother telling them what to do. >> let's end on this just as an intriguing idea for people as they are considering the candidates early on. less government, not more. less government meaning what? less defense. no, people want more defense. the wall street guys say they want less regulation but they want bailouts and corporate welfare laws. >> sure. >> what does that mean, less government? >> less government means you have 212 science, technology, engineering, math programs all independent, half of them run through the pentagon. think about that.

212 separate federal programs for science, technology, engineering, math. we should have one. it should be efficient, have metrics on it, should be measured. are we successful at educating kids in those areas? how did we get 212? i can give you 57 school teacher training programs run by the federal government. and most of them not in the department of education. how did that happen? it happened because members of congress wanted to look good at home so they pass a bill, doing something and create a new program. each one of these wasteful programs has a twntcy. members of congress won't get rid of them. i tried for years to get rid of all these things. couldn't get help from republicans or democrats. >> take a breather, get back in the game. we need you back in there, senator coburn. >> it's a pleasure. thank you. tomorrow night, the big time, the cnn republican presidential debates starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern. you have the prime time event,

11 candidates on the stage. 8:00 p.m. you're not going to want to miss this high stakes debate from the reagan presidential library which has been turned into thunder dome in semivalley. you better get a power nap, my friend. new threats out north korea regime claiming they're ready to use nuclear weapon against the u.s. and other foes at any time if they perceive reckless and harmful policies. south korean officials are looking into the matter. malcolm turnbull, he had been the country's communications minister. abbott accused them as acting as the assassin's knife. more children than ever are getting alcohol poisoning from ingesting liquid hand sanitizer. yes.

poison control hot lines across the country reporting a 400% increase since 2010 not in crazy teens, in kids under 12. the amount of alcohol in hand sanitizer ranges from 45% to 95%. the problem is that's up to eight times more than most beer, wine, really just about anything. officials say be particularly careful with the fruit scented varieties. why? the obvious. children find them more attractive. >> right. kids aren't trying to get intoxicated. they're welcoming their strawberry flavored hands. >> never occurred to me. you have to be so vigilant. >> we all have it all over. i just stocked up yesterday because we're back to school mode now. >> go away from the fruity scented ones. >> i went with the cheap stuff. >> that's better. carson and political outsiders seem to have the inside track for the republican nomination. will the establishment candidates fight back or give

up? our panel weighs in, next.

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away now -- >> how much exactly? i wish we had a clock. >> i'm going to crunch the numbers. >> there it is. >> 34 hours, 39 minutes and 21 seconds away from the big debate tomorrow night. three of the top candidates, trump, carson and fiorina are

washington outsiders. so what will the establishment candidates do tomorrow night to gain traction? let's talk about it. joining us now, alex castellanos, also, ben ferguson. thanks so much for joining us. >> good morning. >> ben, let me start with you. should the establishment candidates give up and drop out much the race? >> no. we're still, what, almost 14 months away here? >> yes. >> how do you survive long enough with your campaign that you don't become the next rick perry. each one of the candidates has to be very specific with what their game plan is. if ben carson comes out swinging at donald trump and tries to get into some sort of back and forth war with him during the debate, i don't think that's his best strategy. he's at 20 plus percent, depending on which poll you look at. >> what is his best strategy? >> for him, you've got to be yourself. that's what got you to that point. you are 180 from donald trump.

don't try to outdo donald trump. your an ideas guy, a policy guy. that's what people are responding to. if you're on the end of the stage, in that 5%, 4%, 3% rate, you have to do something quick to keep your campaign alive so people, one, will notice you and, two, will give you money. carly fiorina did it. some said she was on the jv stage. now she's on big stage. you have to look at where you are and have a strategy that works for you. >> alex, you've been confounded by this from the beginning. we appreciate you being on "new day" to talk about this. you have a lot of experience. carson and trump are growing out of the same plant right now, which is we don't like everyone else. what do you tell a john kasich who you have to feel good about on paper. do you tell him to go after donald trump? do you tell him to be the positive opposite?

what do you tell him to be? >> a little bit of everything is required here. on the one hand you have to give as good as you get from donald trump. strength is important. if you don't can't stand up to donald trump, you can't stand up to the presidency. you have to be able to handle yourself in an exchange. these governors, kasich, walker, jeb bush, they can be outsiders, too. >> how? >> that's one of their missions in this debate. well, because they're agents of change. in their states they were republican governors who went in and produced some real results. cut taxes, grew economies, created millions of jobs. they want to bring that same change to washington. so part of their mission is don't play trump's game. you can't ride that rocket. let trump do that. he has between 20% and 40% of the vote depending on the state. that leaves between 80% and 60% of the vote. that's a lot of votes. play a longer game. establish your record.

you can bring real change to washington. the wheel will turn. >> that will be music to the ears of all of the establishment candidates, alex. >> i'm voting for castellanos. >> he's impressive. >> will that work for jeb bush, to read a laundry list of accomplishments in florida? >> no. people want to see a big fight, a big exchange of ideas. you have to just not overreach when you go for the big punch. donald trump, he's by far the best political/debater/trash talker/live tv reality show guy that we've ever seen. i'll give him full credit for that. if you think you'll be able to get the spotlight by talking about your accomplishments "a," "b," "c," "d," "a" and "f," you'll be at 5%, 6%, 7% when you leave, maybe even lower. >> why is there this assumption that anybody would see this in

their best interest, going at donald trump? he says he's not going to go after anybody else they come at him. in the last debate they set trump up to be a target. >> sure. >> they came at him about personally out of the box. that's probably not going to happen now. you have the pledge cast. they're not going to go over the same territory. >> well, this debate -- >> why focus on him? alex? different.bate is a little this debate, trump, again, it's all about trump. trump's even figured out how to win the first round of the debate before the debate with that brilliant speech last night in dallas. he's -- it's already all about him. he's carrying that momentum into the game itself. so it's all about being the alternative to trump. strength matters. these candidates can't allow themselves to be big-footed by donald trump every single time. >> too late. >> last night --

>> the president of the united states is a pretty big job. you do have to have the strength to hold a country and a world together. that seems to be spinning apart. if these candidates can't do that, the best advice i would give the other candidates is whether you take on trump or not, be the president, be the president we believe you will bcome. >> that is good advice. what were you thinking last night? >> last night when i watched him in dallas here, the one thing i realized, it was very clear, trump has literally own and cornered the narrative of it's us, theard yens, against world, against the machine, against washington, against the governors, against the gop establishment. so the other candidates i think if you come out there, ted cruz is a great example. come out there tomorrow night and talk about his lack of substance on policies, that's really the only place right now that donald trump, i think, is vulnerable. because even when he talks for

more than an hour last night -- >> he's been buddying up with trump. >> my point is this, when you have over an hour of a conversation with a huge audience and you really did not put out one specific plan except for i'm going to do this, i'm going to do that, i'm going to be the best president ever, you're going to love america again, you'll be proud of america again. i'm not going to apologize for being an american. >> sounds good. i'm voting for ben. >> it would be smart to talk about, hey -- >> good luck with that, ben. >> you have to take a chance at some point. hold your breath. that's like tossing a softball to trump. >> not if you can sell it. >> alex, ben -- >> next week he comes out with a tax plan. >> there's so much more to talk about. alex, ben, we'll have you back shortly. thank you very much. i like that you just will vote for anybody -- the last person who speaks is what you like. >> sound goods. i'm voting for you. i like you. >> i no he that. tune in tomorrow night to see

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unreasonable danger to the community. the deadly encounter took place after mr. scott was stopped for a broken taillight. more than a year after the shooting death of michael brown, a reform panel is call for the consolidation of all st. louis area police departments and municipal courts and the scaling back of the use of police force. the 16-member panel appointed by the governor after the riots in ferguson recommends retraining officers and the establishment of a statewide database to track police abuses. chris, over to you. all right. clearly there's going to be one big target on stage at the reagan library, donald trump. the question is, how do you deal with that target? and how does donald trump carry himself tomorrow night in "new york times" political correspondent patrick healey been tracking how the kanes are preparing for tomorrow night and cnn national political reporter maeve reston back with us. maeve, we saw your tweet. you think we need big boots to

go there? >> this is not typical california weather. it is a torrential downpour at the moment. >> your suggestion is that the -- >> good for the drought, right. >> the oncoming debate, i believe this is your suggestion, tell me if i'm wrong, the consequences are so huge, it's changed the weather in california? >> a low pressure system. >> exactly. >> that's how big it is. >> do you agree? >> biblical. wait for the ratings. >> do you agree with the fire and brimstone, cats and dogs, do you believe the stakes are real and if so, for who and how? >> the stakes are unquestionably real. jeb bush needs to come out of this debate and show voters as well as his donors that he has got some fire to go up against donald trump, that he is not a wimp, not someone who can't take on donald trump how's he going to take on vladimir putin? he needs to be someone who conveys strength and passion and can get to it and can show he

can stand up to the sky. he's got lines that he's been rehearsing. the question is does he deploy them or as we've seen in debates in the past, does he get jumbled up. >> you have new reporting whereby you write they are preparing, quote, aggressive new tactics for this debate and entering a more combative phase. what will that look like tomorrow night? >> for jeb bush is will look like from everything calling donald trump to a new york liberal, pointing out his donations to democrats, his view on abortion rights. we saw businesses going bankrupt or giving money to democrats in order to help his corporate interest. the question is does he deploy any of this? right now in our new poll this morning, he's down from 13 points to 6 points. >> jeb? >> jeb. scott walker has tumbled from 10 points to 2 points. the question becomes, does level of desperation start coming off

so that they get worried about whether they want to go on the attack too strong? >> right. >> because they might be seen as flailing, sinking. >> it also looks look player hating. why go after donald trump? his people love him because of his message. carly fiorina, for example, she had ample opportunity to go right at him and insult him for what he said. but she didn't. she put out an ad that says, let's look at the face of women in leadership. you say you're not surprised, that she could very well come with her own agenda that has nothing to do with trump. >> absolutely. she is -- she's got lots of lines ready, i am sure. and she's certainly going to be able to be a good foil to trump in the sense that she does that in an artful, charming way that appeals to voters. that's the tricky line that all of these candidates have. is that with jeb bush who's obviously been planning a very

aggressive strategy, he's really been trying a lot of that over the last couple of weeks. and it doesn't seem to be getting him very far at this point. so it's unclear what attacks will actually stick with trump. i mean if you have a policy heavy agenda you're trying to contrast against that, is that what people really want to hear right now? seems like when you talk to voters out on the trail, that they want to talk about the anger and frustration that they are feeling and so jeb bush really has to find a way to tap into that and show that he feels it. >> chris christie was asked last night about what his plans are for tomorrow night. let's play a bit of that. >> if i feel like there's something i need to say on wednesday night, i will say it. but we're also running for president of the united states. i think people want to hear about our ideas for the country's future. and not just get in a food fight. i've watched this jeb bush/donald trump food fight. let me clue them in on something. nobody cares. >> is he right about that or do

people like the food fight right now? >> people love the food fight. it's entertaining. for christie, john walker, some say for john kasich, this was supposed to be the year of the governor. we want someone with executive experience who will go in, know how to pass laws and push agendas. you haven't seen any of these guys catch fire. chris christie, you would think, might be the one person that can turn people on, be able to grab people because of his sparky personality. trouble obscured all of these guys they haven't quite figured out also how to master these debates. does chris christie become a guy that jumps in on jake the way that rand paul did in the last debate? does he mix it up? >> maeve, patrick, it will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow night. >> the cnn republican presidential debates, there's not one, there's two.

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foreign policy plan and not -- and saying they don't need to know the names of various foreign terror leaders. >> you know, one of the things we know is the very first day, hillary clinton even said this in her speeches, the president -- the next president will be tested. so january 21st, 2017 is a very important day for the next president of the united states. you have to have a good basic understanding of the challenges and the nuances, if you're running around saying we're going to send the 101st airborne division to solve all the world's problems, you have a problem or if you say we're not doing anything at any time, you have a problem. you have to have a nuance understanding of national security. it does drive you crazy when the candidates don't spend the time they need to spend to have a better understanding to engage in this topic. >> when hugh hewitt was talking

about somewhat obscure people. zawahiri is a bit of a household name, a almost jalani, al baghdadi, are those gotcha questions? >> you don't have to know the name of the terrorist groups. you want to get a feel, can they handle the notion of the nuance between hamas and hezbollah and where those organizations get their funding and how you would move forward on a foreign policy issue. that nuance is important. knowing who the hamas leader is versus the hezbollah leader is by name, i think is a bit of a gotcha question. you want to find the basic policy knowledge of these individuals or their principles that they would apply to really tricky national security problems that we have today and

are only going to get worse, as i said, will test that next commander in chief on the first day they're sworn in. >> let me play for you how donald trump responded by hugh hewitt asked him about those names. >> when you start throwing around names of people, where they live, give me their address, i think it's ridiculous. >> i wouldn't do that. that's crazy. >> by the way, the names you just mentioned probably won't even be there in six months or a year. >> i don't know, nasrallah has such staying power. >> let's see what happens. in that case, first day in office or before then, right the day after the election i'll know more about it than you will ever know. >> do you want to see hugh hewitt take that tact again tomorrow night? >> i don't. i think trying to get into the nuance of what the names of the individuals of these terrorist groups are is a complete waste of time. i hope what he's trying to do is push this understanding that we have the relationship between

these groups, you should know what hezbollah and hamas is and how they relate to isis and how it relates in the middle east. because you're going to have to weave through those cones in order to get to a good policy decision on how to deal with this. that is a fair question about these groups. i think the names of these individuals is a step too far. i wouldn't -- that's like asking who the president of ra kean ob place is and shoving that in their face. >> mike rogers, thanks so much. we'll be watching for all of their answers and how they navigate that tomorrow night. great to see you. thanks so much. the answer is blaze compiori.

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>> jimmy. >> jimmy wins on that one, as far as i'm concerned. >> yeah. i don't think stephen colbert's was even really a joke. it was just a set up to a joke. but still. of course. what will they do? what will they do if people start dropping out of this race? it is just such rich material. >> and think about it. what coburn was saying. it is going to get richer and rich for these comedians as time passes. >> i still think it is the space for colbert. yes you pointed out john oliver has done a good job as well. but smart talk about the politics. it doesn't just turn everybody off. smart. it's true. >> snl too. >> i wonder who they will parody the most? donald trump -- that's not my answer. i'm segueing to him. he's making his own rules.

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carly's given me a little bit of a hard time. even though her poll numbers are horrible. ben carson, a nice man. i this i he's in second place. nobody is going to be able to do the jop i'm going to do. nobody. >> republican debate. >> bam i'll come back at him. don't worry about that. >> let me clue you in on something. nobody cares. >> at least eight dead, several more missing. >> all the victim's mothers and small children. >> we are in a battle with nature. >> tens of thousands evacuate from monster wild fire. >> we came down there was fire everywhere. >> this is new day with chris cuomo, allison camerata and

michaela pereira. >> good morning. we are just 34 hours from the crucible of political competition known as the cnn republican debate. we begin to set the stage a new cbs "new york times" poll. look at it. donald trump 27%. big head line could say dr. ben carson catapulting. 6% to 23% just since august. is he the trump alternative? >> well donald trump passing up an opportunity to prepare for the debate in order to campaign in dallas last night. whipping up the crowds with calls to build a wall along the border with mexico. and calling america the world's dumping ground. this as hundreds of the latinos marched outside in a "dump the trump" rally. we begin with athena jones live in simi valley california. give us the latest.

>> good morning. you heard of doubling down. last night trump tripled and quadrupled down on his fiery controversial rhetoric about illegal immigration while also attacking his critics. the crowd in dallas seemed to eat it up. >> hours from the debate the front runner shrugging off mounting attacks from his rivals. >> i hear they are all going after me. whatever. whatever. >> donald trump boasting about his 13 point lead to a crowd of 18,000. and none of his competitors were off limits. carly is giving me a little bit of a hard time. ben carson, a nice man. i think he's in second place. you have jeb bush, governor in florida. a sitting senator in florida. and a poll coming out the other day trump is leading in florida. heavy on style, light on substance approach.

the billionaire candidate neglected to talk policy monday night, instead claiming success with women voters. >> i'm surging with women. i have such respect for women. >> though he also highlighted his controversial comments about fox news anchor megyn kelly. >> we're going to have to so many victories at that some point they are just going to be coming out of your ears. i have to be careful about what i say about coming out of somebody's ears. have to be careful. >> inside, cheers on a hot button issue -- immigration. >> we have to end this sanctuary cities crap, fast. the whole subject of anchor babies, we didn't say that somebody could be pregnant for nine month, come across the border, have a baby and now it is ours and we have to take care of the baby forever. >> while outside, hundreds of latinos protested trump's harsh rhetoric on the issue. marching under the slogan "dump

the trump". >> his words have hurt many. >> we have to respect each other. we're human beings and we're here to stay. >> now the big question remaining, will trump tweak his strategy before taking center stage wednesday night? >> he's had the most television training of any candidate in the modern political era. he's a highly skilled television profession and he's not going change is that. >> i've got say i agree with hugues hewitt there. trump hasn't given any indication he's going to change his approach to the candidates. we'll hear again from him later today when he gives a speech on national security to veterans a. >> and former advisor to the george w. bush and the senior advisor to the brunswick group. good to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> new numbers just released.

that is cbs news poll. and shows donald trump in front at 27%. the most stunning part is what's happened to ben carson. he's catapulted up the ladder. he was at 6% the last time they looked at this. he is now at 23%. how do you explain it? >> i think you see carly fiorina was an asterisk before and now -- >> yeah. those are the only three who have shown growth. >> it is not just outside washington. people outside of the politics. not in elected office and i think it shows the frustration out there with republican voters. frustration with washington d.c., elected officials. i i think you see that frustration on the democratic side as well with bernie sanders surge on the democratic side. but it is very pronounced in the republican primary right now. >> ed, i had to laugh when i read the research packet the producers sent to us and it described your credentials.

it said ed gillespie is the quintessential establishment republican. h ouch. do you feel like you are living in some new world order in the past few months where that doesn't work anymore. >> first they can describe me how they want. i've got -- >> feather in your cap. >> here is thing. people have to run o on their policies. i ran as the candidate last year. i was able to bring together our tea party friend and liberty movement friends and the traditional republicans to almost win a senate race in virginia. you can do that and i think that what we're going to see over the course of the next few months are candidates starting to put out greater policy detail. and i think that is going to be a turning point in the campaign. >> meaning you think that the establishment candidates are going to surge at some point over the outsiders. >> no i think that -- i think that's possible. i think it's possible it doesn't happen. i think the voters are going to

looking now for policy. and donald trump has pout immigration policies. he's been clear on that. scott walker has a speech yesterday about labor reforms. he's put out specifics on healthcare policy in replacing obamacare. the jeb bush has put his his policy on tax reform and economic growth. i think you are going to see more of that and the ngs shift to that and i think the challenge for someone like donald trump, ben carson, carly fiorina is to say yes now i've gotten the attention, i've gotten the support. here is what i'm going to do with it and here are the policy i'm going to put in place if i'm the next president of the united states. >> of all the candidates who has the most at stake tomorrow night? >> the front runner always. and donald trump is going to be front and center. he's got a lot of stake. but so does everyone else. if you are in the third tier you have to try to get into the

second tier. and if you are the second tier you have to try to get into the first. so the stakes are high for everyone but it is not going to be decisive tomorrow night but it is part of a building pattern that you have to take into account. >> is it possible something decisive will happen tomorrow night? meaning the candidates in the first debate at 6:00, the four candidates who didn't make it to the main stage, is it possible that after tomorrow, if they don't get a bump on thursday, could you see somebody drop out of the race within the next week? yeah i do think -- i think we're at the point. obviously we've seen with rick perry. people are going to start to drop and the field is going to start to be win knnowed. >> who do you think is most vulnerable? >> i it is hard to say. look, this is a year where clearly the conventional wisdom

has been turned on its head and it is hard to say who's most vulnerable. >> i want to pull up the poll again. i want to look at jeb bush. he was in august at 13%. he has now dropped to 6%. he has so much money. i mean, he was win -- >> i think nobody has anticipated the big demand out there for the non elected official candidates. not just from outside washington but from outside elected office. and he does have enough money for staying power. he's someone who east clearly made clear he wants to try to have a big debate tomorrow night to punch through a little bit. and you know he's got the resources and the people in&the staff to be able to, you know, get through a slump. and if he can come out of it sustain himself.

>> we keep using the lingo "punch through." would you recommend that the establishment candidates land some punches on donald trump? or should they ignore him. >> whether establishment candidates or non establishment candidates, or however you want to brand them, the fact is he's the front runner. and if you are going to make gains they have to come at his expense. i think what you are going to see tomorrow night, again whether you are branded establishment candidate by the pundits or non establishment or right wing or however the pundits want to brand you. they are going to treat him as the front runner. >> does that mean they go after him? or let him hurl an insult first or they first? >> i think it depends on your own campaign strategy. but look there is only a finite number of voters. and what you are seeing in the poll is donald trump is commanding the lyons share. if they are going to make gains he's going to have to come down over time. and you are going to either hope that happens or try to effect

that happening. and we'll see who tries to effect it tomorrow night. but look there is risk too. you have to be who you are. and there is always risk of over reaching and comings across awkward because they are not being who they are. >> a lot of people are going to be watching carly fiorina. and donald trump. particularly after he said look at that face. do you think it's okay how he has spoken about women? >> she's already responded. i don't know if you have seen the video but it is fantastic. >> we have a portion of it. basically she turned lemon into the lemonade by saying look at this face. this is the face of experience. look at all of you women out there. these are faces of the strength. >> to my larger question do you think that he has been speaking in a sexist or pejorative way about women in general? >> i don't think that the language he's used necessarily is going to translate well in a general election environment.

>> you don't think women will like it in general. >> i don't think so. and i'm interested to see if he starts to change a little bit and shift his rhetoric in anticipation of potentially becoming the republican party nominee and trying to broaden his appeal to women voters, which are obviously, you know, a v majority of the voters in the country today. so you want to appeal to them. >> of donald trump, who should we all be keeping an eye on tomorrow night? >> hard to say. i think there are people who performed well in the last debate. kasich, rubio. but you didn't see the movement in the numbers like you did see with kasich for rubio. chris christie will try to get momentum going again. rand paul as well. and ben carson has an opportunity. he's not front and center but he's right in the middle of the stage. and i think he'll have greater attention on him tomorrow night than in the previous debate.

and he has an opportunity to take advantage of what you are seeing in those polling numbers and seize that momentum. >> ed, thank you so much for walking through it with us. tomorrow is the big day. tune in for cnn republican presidential debate at 6:00 eastern. that is the first debate. then the prime time debate begins at 8:00 p.m. you won't want to miss this high stakes event. live from simmi valley and on thursday morning to bring you all the debates, highlights and low lights. there is a very serious concerning situation in utah. breaking overnight, deadly flash flooding hitting hilldale utah. eight killed at this point. several more are missing. want to show you this dramatic rescue as raging water surround a car. live in hilldale with the latest there as light is still a few

hours away. >> that desperate search. you saw the one rescue. the search is still going on. we're about a mile downstream from where some of two cars -- people in two cars were swept out of their vehicles. and what you are seeing here is heavy machinery that is still digging through mud and rock and heavy debris. and then just over here to the right to give you sense of the power of a flash flood, teams just a short time ago pulled that white car out of the debris. i you can see how smashed in tz. and to the right of them you see all of those women, the women wearing the dark jackets. they are members of the flds religious sect. this area is home to that community. and they have been waiting here all night holding vigil, praying for a miracle. >> this is the front yard. >> dramatic video this morning showing a massive and deadly flash flood ripping law small

town on the arizona/utah border. hi hill. >> heavy rain falling caused the river to rise rapidly catching onlookers off guard. >> whoa. >> watch this video of rescue crews racing to save a car moments from being swept away. children pulled quickly from the car windows. the flood so strong trees up rooted by the current pile up. >> pretty powerful. >> a search is still under way for several people. after two vehicles carrying a total of 16 parked to watch the flood for swept away by the intense rush of water. at least eight have been found dead. all of the victims mothers and small children.

the youngest just 4 years old. >> there are still active flood waters and a very dangerous. very treacherous. the banks are caving off. more significant flood than we've had for quite some time. >> we spoke to a relative of the missing and she says the people who are missing is a mother, her children and a cousin. michaela. >> so we saw how fast that water is moving. how swiftly the currents are going. have they adapted the search area to beyond where it first started? >> yes. we are about the mile downstream from where those cars were swept away. there have been multiple search areas throughout. and you can see some of the machinery is moving back in. they are adjusting based on where they are clearing. this scene once it is cleared they are just going to continue to move down the river until they find all of the missing.

>> thank you so much for that update. >> michaela, in california it is not water but fire. devastating three northern counties. the valley fires destroyi inini hundreds of homes and threatening thousands more. >> we found yet another neighborhood that has sever more destroyed homes. at this point the images are very familiar. you see all the twisted metal. it is just a mess. you can't really even make out anything. at this point you have 600 homes that have been destroyed in this fire. you take that number alone and it is the worst fire we've seen in quite some time in california. maybe along the west coast in a number of years. at this point the weather i should say is getting a little better. cooler, the humidity is rising so hopefully that will help firefighters but at this point

the fire is only 10% contained. at this point we should tell you about the one fatality. this was a 72-year-old woman who had multiple sclerosis. her caregiver alerted authorities and said this woman needed help but by the time the authorities got there the flames had already engulfed her home. what a terrible situatin. more people have still unaccounted so it is likely the death toll is going to rise. >> and that is the concern, folks that don't have the ability to get out in time. hopefully they will make more progress in evacuating people as this fire continues to burn. overseas now. breaking news for you. new threats out of north korea there morning. claiming they have restarted all their nuclear production plants and ready to use them against the u.s. and any other foes at

any time. here is the latest. >> north korea has for some time been promising to restart operations at this key nuclear complex. and now it is saying that the complex is indeed fully operational. this includes a uranium enrichment plant a plutonium production reactor and the north korea is saying it is developing nuclear weapons to protect itself from what it sees as the threat to the united states. and issuing a threat of its own. if u.s. and other hostile forces persistently seek their reckless policy towards the drk or north kor korea. the dprk is fully ready to cope with them with nuclear weapons at any time. that is threat of course that some question whether or not north korea really does have this type of capability but one that both the united states and

south korea are taking very seriously. especially because north korea is preparing to mark a key anniversary in just a few weeks time. and there has long been speculation it is planning a the provocative act. it is also saying it is preparing to launch a new satellite. for many that is just code for a the ballistic missile technology test and that is the kind of technology north korea would need to deliver the weapons it says it has to the united states. >> thank you for that reporting. meanwhile back at home a man suspected of killing a the professor at delta state university in mississippi. he was found with a is self inflicted gunshot wound. what do we know so far? >> authorities say shannon lamb told investigators hoefs not going jail and when they finally caught up with him overnight he pulled out a gun and killed himself. lamb an instructor at delta

state was wanted in connection with the death of a professor at the university. he was shot in the head in his office on campus yesterday morning. no gun was found. only two shell casings were left behind. and even though police got there within 2:00. the killer was able to get away. the shooting prompted a lockdown. and we later learned lamb was also wanted in the killing of 41-year-old amy prentice. she was found dead in another city in mississippi three 300 miles from campus. she lived with lamp and police belief she was killed earl in the morning. all we know is that lamb and schmidt taught together at delta state. we also learned classes are canceled there to give faculty and students opportunity to grieve and cope with what's happen

happened. and they are planning a the candle light vigil tonight to honor professor schmidt's life. >> so tragic and so mysterious. thanks so much kayla. >> day of fun on the water almost turned out for the worse for a pair of kayakers kayaking off the coast of southern california. that is the giant hunch back whale nearly crushes the kite. the kayakers apparently were knocked into the water you can see there. they were not hurt. i love to kayak. and now i have a new concern. >> you're rethinking it. >> i don't think i'm rethinking it. but i boy you can't contend with a whale if it decides to breech on top of you when you have the entire ocean to meander through. >> yeah you're right. the whale is being greedy with ocean space. but you can't pay for that kind

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i hope we will focus more on the issues and what our vision is and what the solutions are. but you know sometimes it is hard to resist. >> all right. that was presidential candidate ben carson hoping to sidestep controversy he says in tomorrow's highly anticipated gop debate. so will donald trump once again eclipse the field? or will a new star emerge? here with their predictions are cnn political commentator and former reagan white house political director jeffly lord and the cnn strategist kevin madden. we have installed you both already in simi valley. and there are the podiums behind you where all the action will be happening tomorrow night. great the see you both. >> great to see you today. >> that is right. let's debate. >> this is a new poll of the the presses, just came out this

hour. donald trump is at 27%. that is not the surprising part. ben carson is the surprising part. he is at 23% when in august the same poll, similar, he was at 6%. and also carly fiorina has surged up to 4% from zero. #tags. and the jeb hash babush has gon from 13% to 6%. who will you be keeping your eyes on tomorrow night? >> the outsiders without a doubt. it is pretty clear what people are saying in all of these polls is they are interested in the outsiders. they are interested in trump, in ben carson. there is some interest in carly fiorina. they have had it with the professional political class. i think that is the real message. i'm even wondering if this sort of one-two thing keeps going with trump and carson whether or not we're seeing the emergence

of the republican ticket. >> obviously we'll be watching the outsider. there is a lot of buzz. as an establishment candidate what do people like rubio and kasich need to do tomorrow night? >> e i think they want to -- look, they really want to capture more energy. they really want to break through. the one thing that has happened with donald trump's entrance into the race is he's created his own news cycle. one news cycle after the other. it's all been focused on donald trump. and as a result marco rubio, jeb bush, scott walker, so many of them have gotten left out of the conversation. so voters -- as voters have tuned in to those outsider, these candidates have to break through and a have a real moment of strength. the debates at their core are judged on the moments of the strength or moments of the weakness. so they have to break through and remind voters why they would be a better candidate to

represent in a way that maybe ben carson or the donald trump because of the lactate of electoral experience wouldn't be able to. >> let me hear from each of you in terms of what you're look footwork tomorring for tomorrow. fiorina starting with. >> she's going to try to take on the donald in some form of fashion. >> what do you think? >> i think that's right. but also she sees this a huge opportunity talk directly to voters. because she's also not as well known. >> jeb bush, jeffrey. what are you looking for? >> survival. >> and what would that look like? >> he's got a real problem. well, you know, an assault on donald trump? i really don't know. he's had all of this debate practice. he's got a problem and he knows it. >> is that what it is going to take? an assault on donald trump? >> i think any time you are your candidate's goal to be survival, that is a bad thing. i think you want more than that.

one of the problems is bush is he's got to go out and establish his conservative credibility. so many republicans believe that he hasn't done enough to really establish that. and his resume as a conservative golf. i think you will see more of that in this debate. >> what role is ben carson going to take? >> ben carson. he'll be the same, low-key doctor self, without doubt. >> kevin people he's called low key. he's also called sleepy. does he need to turn it up a notch? >> i think ben carson's appeal. people aren't looking for a fire brand. many are looking for a candidate who isn't afraid to be a values candidate. that is the key to support in early primary states. so i think expect personal appeals to those voters from ben carson. >> how about chris christie. what's he going to do? >> wow, that is a good question. i mean i think the thought was originally that he'd be donald

trump. and he's been outtrumped here. so unless there is another fight with rand paul i think he's sort of out there in left field. >> he just said last night he's going to atry to avoid a food fight. but is that the right strategy? >> well i think the most important thing chris christie is do is start to remind people that he was a strong chief executive. and he's probably done most of the any of these candidates right now to probably talk about things like social security reform. i think if he can do that he can show policy chops as a strong record as an executive he'll be able to break through. >> let me pull up another element from this poll. it asks republican primary voters, is your mind made up or is it still too tooerl say for sure? 37% say their mind is made up today. 63% is still too early.

which is moez surprising? that 37% already have their candidate? >> yes. that is surprising. i think this is a very unusual election cycle. and i keep going back to a quinnipiac poll who says 87% don't want anyone with a washington experience. >> so true. and this race is breaking all of the rules which makes tomorrow night particularly interesting. >> yeah. and i do think that 60% number, where folks haven't yet made up their mind, that is a key number for so many of these other candidates that are watching candidates like trump and carson ascend in the policls. they believe their best chance of nomination is to consolidate some percentage of those supporters. in august it was still okay to say it is early. in september and october as we get closer to these contests in

iowa and new hampshire that is harder to hang on to. so this is an extraordinary opportunity for these candidates that are in single digits right now to finally make their move. >> jeffrey and kevin, i'll look forward to seeing both of you out there tonight when we get there. thanks guys. see you soon. in a little more than 33 hours you can watch the highly anticipated cnn republican presidential debate. it starts at 6:00 eastern. then the main prime time event begins at 8:00. live from simi valley tomorrow. >> how did jeffrey get the gig of being inside out of the rain? that's amazing. lucky guy. all right. so the donald kind of became a household name with the apprentice on tv?

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talk, we'd have that bump in. because we're talking about donald trump but in a different sort. finally has a replacement not in the race for president but as host of a aprebts. movie star turned governor turned movie star again, arnold schwarzenegger is going to take over. begs the question, has the blinds between politics and reality tv become too blurred? >> you just blurred those words. that is how blurry it is. >> -- nothing blurry about him. also cnn senior reporter for media and politics. good to see you dillon byers. i was with allison camerota lunches yesterday when this news showed up. >> did it surprise you? >> id did not. well it did and it didn't. i think it probably took you the same way.

>> his name wasn't on the short list. >> but it makes sense. >> he's recognized. a worldwide name. he's recognized in so many countries. a business sensibility because he's been so successful and made millions at the box office without being a businessman per se. and we have a reality show star trying to become president at the same time a former governor is becoming a reality show star. >> stop it. you are scrambling my brain, brian. but isn't that just the point? are all just extras no in this weird noo reality show called the presidential race? >> over time politics and entertainment, politics and media, these two fields have been blending. you can argue it goes -- certainly it goes as far back as the whole clinton scandal and the 24 hour cable news cycle around that and you can argue it goes all the way back to 1960

when nixon refused to wear make up not understanding how much command it was going to have over voter perception. >> the donald quickly took to the twitters to congratulate the orn arnold about it. i think we can pull up his tweet. he was in dallas yesterday and i think he sent out a tweet congrats to my friend schwarzenegger whose doing next season's celebrity apprentice. he will be greet and raise lots of must be for charity. he probably loves this. this is within his brand in a way to have someone of rnarnold i ilk take over the show. >> now the network does have a chance to rejuvenate the

franchise approximate a new host and i think the show will travel well all around the world because schwartz negativer is so well known. i assume the line will be you're terminated instead of you're fired. it could be hasta la vista. there are a lot of options. >> you don't it's not going to be "you won't be back". >> there is so many options. they are going to delay the show until the fall of 2016. so hoe he has time to figure it out. but this now clouz closes a door that was still slightly open for trump. >> someone made the suggestion to me the other day. is this essentially -- this blurred lines conversation, blurring the lines between politics and entertainment, having trump in the race. is this the kardashianization of american politician? >> well certainly you can't ignore the immense ratings

donald trump has brought and the attention he has brought to the early stages of this am cam pain. and they reflects demand more something. whether it's just pure entertainment, rolling circus or whether people love his authenticity which is maybe something they associate with him. there is something he's doing and it is coming from that world of reality television that really appeals to people. i don't know -- i don't know if it translates to votes but it certainly appeals to viewers. and it drive ratings. there is also different kinds of reality tv and different kinds of celebrities. there are celebrities we -- they are business women at this point. but thoer not known for being forces for good helping charities and relief organizations. then there are charielebrities all know using their popularity

and power for good. so it is not necessarily a bad thing that we're seeing this celebritization of politician but there are lots of different kinds of celebrity. >> he just said the kardashians have big franchises. i didn't know that's where we were going with that. >> thanks so much. great to talk you do about this. >> interesting conversation. >> very. >> what's your take? tweet us with #new day cnn. or facebook com/new day. tomorrow night's debate is 6:00 p.m. eastern. the main prime time event is 8:00 p.m. the show is going to be live from simi valley tomorrow and on thursday morning to bring you all of the debate highlights and analysis. that means no sleep for you. >> thank you. i look forward to it. it is going to be very exciting.

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