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bolduan in for erin burnett. scott walker is out. the wisconsin governor ending his bid for the republican nomination for president. walker made the announcement moments ago in madison, wisconsin. taking a not too subtle swipe at donald trump on his way out. >> i will suspend my campaign immediately. i encourage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive conservative alternative to the current front-runner. >> walker was among the early front-runners. he was leading in the early polls in the critical state of iowa. nationally, he was third behind trump and carson in july. in the most recent, he was less than one-half of 1%. behind that drop, a lot of

stuff, i'm sure, including two disappointing debate performances and trouble fund raising. dana bash is out front tonight. not only did he announce he's out, but took a nice parting shot at the front-runner. what are you hear sng. >> that's right, kate. i remember being in wisconsin talking to walker aids before he announced his bid in july. his strategy was going to be ignore donald trump. walker learned he could only ignore trump at his own peril. it wasn't only trump, but his style. he is a shoot from the hip caution from the wind attitude. that's what republican voters are drawn to right now. walker is just the opposite. he was so cautious during his 70-day campaign that he looked unsure, uneasy, maybe flip-flopping. that's the opposite, it seems of what republican voters are looking for now. >> going in, i mean republicans

saw him as he was going to be the fighter. that was his pitch almost every stump speech. he's the second republican to drop out. how did it happen so quickly? >> money. i mean, you know, he couldn't catch fire with money because they all go hand in hand. public opinion and money. remember, like you were saying, six months ago, he was the man to beat. he was the top of the polls. now he's not registering. one source told me, when it comes to money, it dried up after the first debate. they couldn't get enough donors to give. they have a lot of overhead. another walker source told me the governor, himself, explained to his aides, you cannot run a national campaign against a national debt if your own campaign is in debt. even though his superpac has a lot of money, there's a firewall there. his own campaign doesn't have it. that's why he decided to suspend his campaign today. >> another candidate in the headline, dr. ben carson facing

calls to apologize and drop out over his comments about muslims in america. >> we have been talking about scott walker dropping out, a lifelong politician that is more cautious. trump and carson. nothing speaks more to that than the conversations going on inside the gop right now. even in a campaign full of explosive comments, this one immediately stood out. >> i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> reporter: ben carson said that he wouldn't want a muslim as president in answer to whether the islamic religion is consistent with the constitution? >> well, the constitution provides there should be no religious test for public office. >> there are two muslim members of congress that both lashed out

at carson. >> that's like saying a neurosurgeon could never become the president of the united states of america. >> reporter: the democratic front-runner was quick to chime in saying can a muslim be president of the united states of america? in a word, yes. let's move on. the conversation began at a donald trump town hall last week when he failed to correct a voter who said president obama is a muslim, even though he is a christian. on sunday, when asked what he thinks about the idea of a muslim president, trump stirred the pot, making this not so subtle suggestion about president obama. >> some people said it already happened, frankly, of course you wouldn't agree with that. >> reporter: this as the front-runner is losing ground, down eight points since early this month. and carley fiorina is on the rise in second place with 15%

after a standout debate performance. now back on the controversy about muslims and whether they should or could be in the white house, houma abedin sent out a tweet tonight. you can be a proud american, a proud muslim and proudly serve this great country, pride versus prejudice. kate? >> you can be sure this would be an attack line in the general, no question about it. out front with me now is the executive director of council on american islamic relations. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> you are not -- you are calling not just for carson to apologize, but calling for him to drop out of the race. he and his team are saying he is not backing down.

would anything short of dropping out be acceptable to you? >> the question is would it be acceptable to the public. the public upholds, likes and wanted to live under the united states constitution. ben carson clearly stated that he does not believe in that part of the constitution, which is article six, which says no test should be acquired as a qualification to any office or department in the united states. so, he clearly trashed the constitution by saying that an american muslim cannot be president of the united states. that is a religious test. therefore, he is proving himself unfit to lead the united states. he's not going to uphold the constitution. >> nothing short of him dropping out is acceptable to you is what i'm taking to that? >> he has to prove to all of us

as americans, he will protect the united states constitution. if he does that and says i no longer believe in the statement i made, it will be up to voters. he clearly and he doubles down when he opens his mouth about the constitution. >> i spoke with his business manager today about your response and the press conference you all held. i spoke to him directly afterward. listen to what he said. >> we are no longer interested in the rhetoric of care and what they say. when they change their actions, end their behavior, what is going on in this world, in this country, isis beheading people, treating women like animals, are you kidding me? change your action. show us that we are worthy of your trust. >> that's armstrong williams. he's pointing the finger at you.

how do you respond? >> if he googles it, we condemned isis and terrorist organizations. the record shows that. now, they are trying to change the conversation. they are trying to target the messenger. it's the flawed statement that he does not believe in article six of the united states constitution. how would we trust someone who would be in the white house to treat all americans equally and uphold the constitution? that is the question ben carson has to answer. >> we know you have invited him to meet you and with your group to discuss. we will see how that goes going for. thank you very much. >> it's an open invitation. >> out front with us now, cnn political commentator, ben ferguson and former chief of staff to the republican senator, mitch mcconnell. good evening, ben. from your perch, what are

conservatives saying, should ben carson apologize? >> no. they think he is being taken out of context. listen to what your last guest said. with all due respect, he did not hear ben carson. he did not say we should pass a law that a muslim should not be allowed to be the president of the united states of america. he did say, i would not advocate for a muslim to be the president of the united states of america thach . that is completely different from what they are claiming. there's some religious test here to ban all muslims from serving in government or the highest office of the land. people every day, in a campaign, look at candidates and decide which candidate they think is close enough to their personal beliefs or religious beliefs. if someone was a muslim running against hillary clinton, i would probably support them. ultimately, if a muslim is

running for president and i'm a christian, i'm not going to support them. they are not banned, as they are implying, which is insane. >> josh, do you think what ben is saying is spot on? that carson was right here? >> no. i mean, i almost can't believe we are having this conversation, right? we are talking about a candidate for president of the united states who happens to be in a top three situation who is actively advocates that millions of americans are unqualified to be president of the united states. this is not an issue of your personal preference. this is the foundation of our country. i can't believe we have gotten to a place where anybody can justify this kind of point of view from somebody looking for the votes from millions of americans. >> ben? >> again, you are making this much bigger than it is. every single day, people that run for office look at the

religion, the background of an individual. >> ben, let me ask you this, real quick. >> let me finish. donald trump shouldn't be president because he made too much money or carley fiorina should not be president because she -- or hillary clinton should not be. >> here is the difference. they are talki ining about one person and their situation. when i spoke with the business manager, he said, and we asked him if he's saying that the numbers vary that between 2 million and 7 million muslim that is live in the united states today, if he thinks that all of them fit into the same category as being unfit to hold the highest office in the land. they said yes. >> well, look, armstrong williams is not ben carson. what i heard carson say is he would not advocate for a muslim being in the white house. i don't think that eels a

shocking statement that means he is implying you can't run. you can run, no matter what your religion is. could he have said, hey, right now in this country, there's plenty of other candidates that i would support before a muslim, that's his right to say that. i also know, this morning, when i woke up, 50% of americans would say they would never vote for me because i'm an evangelical conservative christian. no one is criticizing them for that. you goat decide what you will -- there are people right now in the democratic party that would not vote for many of the republican candidates solely because they are evangelical, conservative christians. that's okay. it's the same right ben carson says he would not advocate for a muslim in the white house. that is okay. this is not a big deal. >> i know you say it. we'll see if it turns out to be a big deal. one question is, is this going to hurt ben carson?

some people saying can he survive it? >> i don't think it will. >> the bigger problem is, here we are, yet again, allowing liberal critics to argue the republican party is bigoted rather than islamic extremism. the fact that this administration refuses to acknowledge islamist fundment lists is a problem and republican voters are dying to hear about. >> agree. >> ben -- >> you have a trust problem -- >> is this the conversation you want to have? >> here is something else. there is a trust issue, in many conservative voters when it comes to muslims, based on the fact, when we have attacks, boston bombers, the shooter

active in a mosque, the individuals that came to shoot at the draw mohammed event, active in a mosque. we do not see many muslims in these mosques telling authorities we have extremists in here. we are seeing home grown terrorist who is are active in their local communities, their local mosques. the leadership is not calling them out for it. there is a big trust issue here. there are terrorist attacks in this country to back them up. >> we need to be careful saying they are not trying to help authorities. >> i'm saying some of them. they usually say they were distant. they weren't a big part of our congregation. many around them say they were active in these communities and mosques. >> it's going to be a headline that continues to follow. ben carson, we will see how that conversation continues. great to see you, thanks, guys. next, hillary clinton riding

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trail buoyed by a new cnn poll showing her lead in the poll. >> we are not going to let our country be taken backwards by people who are out of touch and out of date. >> reporter: clinton stands at 42% nationally with bernie sanders at 24 and joe biden at 22%. it's gootd nd news for clinton r months of sliding poll numbers. sanders and his passional following southed away support. she does not plan to run a negative campaign against sanders. >> i know bernie, i respect his intense advocacy of his ideas. that's what i want this campaign to be about. >> reporter: a major unknown, will biden run? if he stays out, most of his support goes to clinton, putting her almost 30 points ahead of

sanders. in an interview of a catholic magazine, biden, who lost his son to brain cancer made it clear, he's not ready to make a decision. >> it's not there yet. it may not be there in time to make it feasible to be able to run and succeed because there are certain things. if that's it, that's it. >> reporter: one person close to biden thought to be resistant to a run, his wife, jill. >> you have to talk to my wife about that. i have to talk to my wife about that. >> reporter: after reports she is supportive of a run, she issue third-degree statement. of course doctor biden would be on board if he runs for president, but they haven't made that decision yet. a biden candidacy comes as the clinton campaign seems more spontaneous and accessible. she's giving more interviews and making appearances on late night tv. >> let me grab my pen.

>> asked on cbs to give three word that is describe the real hillary clinton, she struggled. >> i mean, look, i am a real person with all the pluses and minuses that go along with being that. >> reporter: that is really the opening that some democrats see for joe biden. he is very authentic and he is open, even when talking about something as personal about mourning the loss of his son, bo. he is acknowledging the window for getting in the race is closing. october 13th, the first democratic debate that cnn is hosting is just around the corner. it's unclear what biden sees as his last chance for getting in this race. >> an excellent point. october 13th, debate, i think is an important marker at any point in this race. great to see you. thank you so much. out front with us now, jennifer granholm.

and co-author of hrc secrets and the rebirth of hillary clinton. great to see you both. governor? >> yeah. >> no matter what those around biden are saying there's a draft biden movement, from what you hear from joe biden there when he says it may not be feasible in terms of timing. is this the vice president telling us what you see, that he's not going to run? >> well, who knows exactly, but if you look alt his actual words in all of these interviews, i mean clearly, he know that is if he got in and, you know, we all love joe biden. i love joe biden. if he got in, he would have to make a difference between he and hillary clinton. they are so close. no doubt, your poll today, your cnn poll, which has her on the rebound, you know, the people who are surrounding her have to

look at that. he has to look at that, too. who does he bring that she's not already bringing. the poll, she's got 50% support of all the candidates listed among women and minorities. she's, you know, hopefully put the e-mail stuff behind her. i don't know. it would be a tough thing to jump in this late. >> john, i want to get your take on this. the governor was just mentioning, the new poll. without joe biden in the race, it hoems clinton. she would have doubled bernie sanders level of support. you think in the long run, joe biden not in the race could hurt hillary clinton. why is that? >> i think that you sort of define the democratic race by hillary clinton. it's hillary clinton supporters and anti-hillary people. i think bernie sanders showed good spirit and putting together a strong core there of the anti-hillary group. if they are both in the right,

biden and sanders rk i expect the anti-hillary vote divided. it's helpful to her. if biden pulls more from her than sanders, it's not enough to get sand eers or biden in first place. >> he doesn't want to get in for a third time and face another -- you know, it's soul sucking to run for president. it's hard. he's just had this horrible thing. let him make his decision, i'm sure he is going to do what's best for him. >> in his time. he's acknowledging, that time is quickly running out. i have to get your take. as we are talking hillary clinton rising in the polls. clinton insiders say the voters are going to see more humor, more heart from clinton. this weekend, we saw a little of that. we saw her dancing on the campaign trail in a video from abc. then there was this hilarious appearance on jimmie fallon. look at this again.

>> haven't seen you since my last wedding. >> i'm sure i'll see you at the next one. >> are you writing all this down? >> hold on. let me -- let me grab my pen. [ laughter ] >> john, i know it's exactly what you say anytime a source calls you. i'm grabbing my pen, a nice glass of wine. >> i go for jack daniels. >> there's a lot of alcohol combo in this studio as well. no, this is the hillary clinton that folks want to see more of. here is the question. i mean she said in an interview with cbs, i'm a real person. folks don't normally have to say that. will will last? >> i think it's not helpful for her to be out there making the argument she's a real person. she's not warm and fuzzy. when she tries, it doesn't work. >> come on. look at her in the fallon thing. she was totally warm and fuzzy. it was great. >> it was a great moment for

her. that's not who she is most of the time. i think the wine glass, everybody can relate to. to the extent she can do that is helpful to her image. it's not who she is. >> i disagree, and i want to say quickly. all the interviews, the serious ones like on face the nation and ellen degeneres and the questions she's answered about the e-mail over and over again, it opens people's minds up. she's going to talk about helalh care. >> i think it is yet to be seen if she has put that e-mail controversy behind her. >> sure. >> as much as you would love it. >> i would. i would. >> the governor has wishful thinking going on. >> exactly. wine for all of us. governor great to see you. john, great to see you. >> take care, kate. carley fiorina, the new

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how is the former ceo responding to the attacks? tom foreman is out front with tonight's money and power. >> reporter: carley fiorina now in second place, trailing only donald trump whose lead fell eight points after the debate. >> people come to know me, understand what i have done and what i will do. they tend to support me. >> reporter: donald trump wasted no mind turning his tongue and cheek on fiorina. >> when they find out she ran two companies into the ground. >> trump blasted fiorina saying she's terrible with business, the last thing our country needs. after college jobs as a secretary, she joined a trainee program at at&t and soared through the ranks becoming the

first female vice president. leaving in 1999 to become ceo of hughlet package. no other woman ever rose to such heights in business. >> we are not losing revenue as a result of this merger. >> she oversaw the megapurchase of compact. it led her to make this claim. >> we doubled the size of the company. we quadrupled the cash flow. we tripled the rate of innovation. >> reporter: hp went into a tail spin, laying off 30,000 workers. in 2005, fiorina was fired. fiorina calls him a clintonite. doubles revenues, that's not what business is about. every has been shuttered. >> reporter: fiorina's tenure produced mixed results. >> i do not think she is the

worst ceo of all time. i do not think she destroyed the company. i think they ended up in a better place as a result of her strategy. >> with the tech bubble bursting, many firms were in trouble back then. >> every other technology company laid people off. i it's the worst thing a ceo thooz do is say you don't have a job. >> reporter: for trump, he says it's what happened at hp during her reign. stk company is a disaster. they continue to be a disaster. they haven't recovered. >> reporter: people were affected in their job by her decision. some have taken to the internet with great venom. they are furious about it. does that spill over into a movement that can derail her rise in polls? kate? >> that scrutiny is only beginning. thank you so much. out front with us now, former

political director in the reagan white house, jeffrey lord. great to see you both. tom laid it out really well. the blemishes or dark spots in fiorina's record. do you think she's able to shape that? it was clearly an effective line in 2010. >> yeah, carley that has opposite problem as mitt romney. mitt romney needed to convince the country his record of success in business should matter. she has to convince the country some of her failures should not. that's a marketing trick. i would, if i were her, talk up more of her personal story of rising from receptionist to ceo and how hard she worked to get there and less of the bullet points on her time at hp. that's where she gets into some

trouble. i would also remind her to avoid the romney problem of getting defined too early. you can hear trump and some democrats talking up her record of failure both in business and in politics, in that failed senate campaign. if i were her, i would position as a fighter, someone who fought her way up the local ladder, fought breast cancer, fought her way on to the debate stage. i think that's a better definition for carley. she's got to do it early before the other stuff starts to cement. >> interesting you put it that way. trump says he's not worried about carley fiorina, but if you look at his attacks, he said she is terrible at business, did a terrible job, virtually destroying both companies, she never got another ceo job offer. he went on from there. that sounds like a donald trump

who feels threatened. should he be? >> kate, i think that's happening here is the second debate marks the end of the first stage of the campaign. what we are shifting into now is what is, quote, unquote, normal in a presidential primary season. i mean, this is the stage when george h.w. bush went after reagan for voodoo economics and jfk went after his family's ambassador for england and believing the nazis are going to win. >> what does that mean for trump and fiorina? there is nut thag is typical or usual about how the campaigns have been run so far. >> right. what it means is it's settling into now, the records. we are really get sboog ting in. we are going to get into her record and donald's record. ben carson and his statements and all this. this is pretty normal.

this is what's going to happen. we have scott walker dropping out. there will be more of those. this is what's going to happen. she's going to have to buckle in here as will donald and they are going to go at it. >> an interesting thing, we talked about this off camera. fiorina is the first candidate to successfully attack trump after gaining in the polls, not dropping or cratering like others have. why is that, do you think? >> i'm not sure that she's actually attacked him, per se. i remember the two moments that the debate one where she delivered the look at my face line. i don't know that i would call that an attack. she let trump walk into a punch line. going after his record, jeffrey is right, that's part of normal campaign business. even trump thinks it's not below the belt to talk about donald trump's record on business. i think she's avoided trump smartly, if you look at other

people like marco rubio who stayed, kept his head down, that has served him well, too. carley does have a built-in advantage, just being a woman, whether it's fair or not. i think it makes it more difficult for him to swing at her in the ways that he has attacking her looks. and not suffer some consequences for that. i think you have seen his dip in the polls. >> we will see about that, though. every day brings another fight. great to see you. >> that is right. >> great to see you guys. >> bye, kate. a top general says bergdahl is not a trader or taliban sympathizer and should not go to prison. our report on that, next. pope francis appearing before a joint session of congress. could the people's pope face silence or worse from angered republicans? ♪ [engine revving]

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a homecoming. >> part of the poll reported says that bergdahl, i wanted to go to be a russian hitman. >> reporter: according to the army's own investigation, that narrative was completely false. during a hearing to decide if bergdahl should face a court-martial, two key witnesses took the stand, the army's lead investigator spent a day and a half interviewing bergdahl and says his investigation found no soldiers died looking for him. he also testified bergdahl left his post under the delusion his unit was being poorly led and he needed to speak to a general at a different u.s. base 18 miles away. the plan failed the following morning when he was captured by the taliban. he felt jail time would be, quote, inappropriate. next came terence russell one of the top experts on prisoner of

war. he teared up describing his 1,797 days of torture, depravation and captivity. according to russel, he is beating with copper cables and tried escaping several times telling officials bergdahl's experience ranks in the same echelon of horrible conditions we have not seen in 60 years. he was an army of one. he had to fight the enemy alone for four years, 11 months. you cannot overestimate how difficult that is. he said there was absolutely no evidence bergdahl provided any military information to the taliban. >> martin savidge is joining us now. with the develop milliments the saying he suffered from a severe mental disease or defect. that is how it was presented in the courtroom in the hearings. what does that mean for the case against him? >> well, it depends, actually.

that came from documents from the u.s. coast guard. it turns out that bergdahl was applied and accepted by the coast guard before the army. they said he was mentally unfit for even them. the army waived a psychological evaluation. this would be considered, perhaps, a mitigating factor here. in other words, does not excuse his actions, but could be taken into account by a court-martial if it comes to that point and we don't know if there will be a court-martial case. >> everyone, including beau bergdahl waiting to hear. it's great to see you, thank you. out front for us next, pope francis to join ahead. why are so many republicans angry with this popular pope. ? bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested.

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priests. >> translator: if a person is gay and seeks god and will, who am i to judge him. >> reporter: the earth, our home is beginning look more and more like an immense pile of fillth and said this opinion never confirmed by the facts expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those yielding economic power and the president's policy on cuba, a change the pope helped broker in secret. >> i want to thank his holiness pope francis. >> reporter: they dubbed it the pope francis and republicans had enough. >> i think the pope is wrong. the fact is this his infallibility is on religious matters, not political ones. >> reporter: it's not the first time a pope and u.s. president have joined forces. ronald reagan and pope john paul, ii were allies during the cold war. >> when john paul, ii went

against polish communism, he was lotted for that kind of advancement and so i just think it's interesting that this pope when he kind of went into the waters, gets criticized stay out of politics. >> reporter: some are steamed the white house is inviting pro-choice and proadvocates to the arrival ceremony. mike huckabee dubbed that a new low for anned a machine station that will go down as the most anti christian for the american history. the white house says the pope deserves a diverse audience. >> no test administered when giving tickets to the south lawn wednesday morning. >> reporter: officials concede there could be moments when the pope publicly disagrees with the president on the subject of abortion. aids to the president say they have some clue as to what the pope plans to say on thursday with the joint meeting for congress but also bracing for plenty of surprises. kate, a very unpredictable pope.

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