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>> you're watching communion, the core part of a catholic mass. these are the wafers being given. there are about 25,000 people there and 200 eucharist are handing them out. john, this is a very, very poignant moment for many people there. the pope himself gave the wafers to a group. >> it's the supreme moment of the mass. catholics believe that the bread and wine become, in a real way, it's called the real presence, the body and blood of jesus
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christ. so they are entering into communion with christ physically and spiritually. tonight it's about communion with the pope, with the holy father. >> yes. >> and this is a moment that the 20,000 people there inside madison square garden -- it's the kind of thing you'll tell your grandkids about. >> even just watching it. seeing the popemobile today from afar in central park was something special. monsignor is with me. you see some people very dressed up, others are wearing t-shirts but they are t-shirts with pictures of this pope. everyone should know, this take as few minutes because you've got 25,000 people getting the wafers. >> i'm sure it's very well orchestrated. this is like any catholic mass in any parish but there's something special about it because it's communion with the pope. he talked about during his
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homily how god is present in the city, the god is present in the many ways that the church ministers but tonight god is in the mass, in the eucharist. >> erin, catholics typically do not applaud when the priest gives a homily. but tonight when the pope said, god continues to walk in the streets of the city because god is in the city, these new yorkers, who are often, i think, a little sensitive to perceptions that cities in general -- and let's face it, new york in particular is seen as kind of a godless place. >> yes. >> to hear the pope there and say, god is in the city, people couldn't help themselves. they brought out in applause and what they heard was a huge affirmation that the pope recognizes that even in this fast-paced and somewhat cut-throat place, got is still here. it's something to hear that from
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the pope. >> and also delia gallagher, our vatican correspondent. delia, it's incredible what this pope has done. he still has two more days in his tour in the united states, of course, in philadelphia. but now leading this mass, it's -- he understands that there are thousands, tens of thousands, 100,000 people today who have come to hear him and he is delivering, not backing down, not letting exhaustion take over. >> that's right, erin. and he's delivering a message tailored for these people. he's a pope who comes from a big city himself, in a big city that might be polluted like new york is and he says god is also there with us through the smog, a kind of -- another -- bringing in his theme, again, of the environment and then he also said something really beautiful, i think, which is about the immigrants and
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about the poor and about the homeless in our cities saying we often think they don't have a right to be there. we walk down the streets and think, what are they doing there? and they have a right to be in the city, that they are one of us. i wanted to point out for our viewers that the man that you see in all of these masses of the pope, he sits on the right of the pope and he helps him as he goes to the altar and processes in with him, his name is monsignor and he's also in charge of the conclave and he's the man who, after all of the cardinals process in the conclaves, closes the door, says "everybody out" and he closes the doors. he is the pope's main man for all of these celebrations and, indeed, you can see that they are quite complex and he has got
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to orchestrate every single one of them, at the vatican and on papal trips. >> one thing we've learned over the past few days -- and i'm speaking a bit for myself, maybe -- but a lot of people who are not catholic are appreciating the ritual and the pomp is not the word that the pope would want to apply, but the pomp and circumstance of the catholic ritual and someone who is catholic, you may think, why is all of this necessary? you can see how important and special this can be when you see these rituals invoked by the pope. >> catholicism is a sacramental tradition. we catholics respond not just in words but to symbols. the late father andrew greeley, talked about the sacramental imagination. so when you see the bread that becomes the body of christ, the wine that becomes the blood of
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christ, you know, the candles, the incents, that gives us a tangible way to think about things that are physical and intangible. >> to emphasize to many watching, again, if you're not catholic, it's not a symbol. the wafer that you take and wine that you drink is not a symbol of the body and blood of christ. catholics believe that is -- >> the real presence. >> -- the body and blood of christ. in this mass now, it's imprablti impractical to provide wine to 25,000 people. >> yes. but we believe the full body and blood of jesus exists in one species. there are people who can't take the host. we take it to the dying who can only take a drop of the dying blood on their tongue because they can't ingest food. one or the other suffice for us. because we're into the ritual and appreciate the gesture, the
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sign, both is often experienced in parishes here in the united states. >> and delia, it the very simpl chair in which he is sitting, the fact that -- how he lives, that he doesn't drive in fancy cars, he doesn't eat fancy meals, the pope that he is. and yet a tradition that is a very rich, deep and involved set of rituals. in a sense, there is a bit of a contrast there. >> well, you know, erin, it's very symbolic in a sense, talking about the mass, because the mass is one of those parts of catholicism which combines the tradition that we were talking about. we heard a chant, a beautiful chant at this mass and we heard some latin which comes from the old mass and then bringing it up to the modern mass. often you see the difference between conservatives within the
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church regarding the mass. those who prefer the tradition, those who prefer the modern elements. and that is the fine line that pope francis himself is walking in all of the discussions within the catholic church. updating some of the traditions, updating some of the practices but maintaining the route because that is essential to the catholic identity. >> and there are, john, different strands of catholicism. you have jesuits and, of course, francescans here. >> and at least one jesuit in the room because it's pope francis. >> a jesuit, of course, who chose the name pope francis. >> yes. >> after the francescans. >> we often talk about the unity and we have all of -- the technical term is unique identities of different outfits within the church and among
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religious orders and then, of course, there's the geographic spread of the church. 1.2 million catholics and catholicism in subsaharan territory is different than that is northern europe and yet with all of that the word is unity and the catholic word for that is communion and that, of course, is what we've just witnessed. >> what we just witnessed and now a hymm that is familiar to anyone who has attended a catholic mass. let's listen in. ♪ ♪
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you have seen our cathedral. you have seen our catholic schools. you have seen our catholic charities and now you lead us in the most important and powerful act we can do, the holy sacrifice of the mass. here -- [ applause ] >> here you see, papa francesco, our religious leaders and brothers, our deacons, our priests, our bishops -- [ applause ] our organizations, our
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ministries, our interreligious neighbors, so many benefactors and civic leaders, god's faithful people. it's so radiant on an evening such as this, is it not, my brothers and sisters, that god -- [ applause ] it is so evidently radiant that god is our father, that jesus is our lord, our saviour, our older brother, that mary is our mother, that saints -- that saints like the jesuit north
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events ever. >> i'm sure he was happy to step aside to let this magical night unfold, a night that no one who watched it will ever forget and certainly nobody who was inside the garden tonight will ever forget it. i mean, obviously the presence of any pope would be the world to the people who are there but i think this pope in particular, the kind of -- you know, magnetic draw he exercises on people, and, in particular, ordinary people and saw a couple of disabled people in wheelchairs. >> he went right over. >> right. he immediately, distinctively had to prompt him. no one had to whisper in his ear to walk over to those folks and give them a caress and a smile. it's that love for ordinary
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people, the most vulnerable and excluded in particular that i think people have -- the people have been drawn to him because of that. >> and monsignor rick, this was also cardinal dolan, a known figure across the united states, you know, he has a very effervescent personality. papa francesco, he brings a very human and casual feel to this. that was also a special moment as he spoke. >> as much as we talk about it being an honor and privilege and experience for someone to be at mass with the holy father, it's even more so for the bishop of the local diocese to host the pope so that cardinal dolan had to welcome the pope to new york. last night when he said holy father, you walk through these doors and you're now a new yo
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yorker, pope francis had a smile on his face. there are so many extremes in all of these, in images because there's a quiet intensity when he celebrates the mass. some people think it sounds like he's tired but he's very understated and it's a very intense kind of prayer. >> you could describe that as intensity. because, yes, it comes off as, is he tired? >> you could see the smile on his face earlier. >> let's be clear, he is tired. think about the day this man has had, the united nations. >> ground zero. >> the school. >> in harlem. the swing through central park and i think monsignor is right, pope francis is often absorbed in prayer. dolan has a grade school loyalty to the pope. you can imagine what it meant to him to be able to host the pope. >> i think it's only fair to say
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it's right for cardinal dolan to feel real pride tonight, which he certainly does. we're going to take a brief break. the pope is going to be getting back into the fiat and going to be in a motorcade. we'll show that to you live right after this. if you qualify for a sittingham's card today i can offer you no interest for 24 months. thanks to the tools and help at experian.com, i know i have an 812 fico score, so i definitely qualify. so what else can you give me? same day delivery. the ottoman? thank you. fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. so get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com, become a member of experian credit tracker, and take charge of your score.
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♪ you are watching live, this is madison square garden in new york. the pope just finishing mass, a very special moment, punctuated by cardinal dolan with some true joy as he thanked the pope for coming to new york. the pope right now is moving outside. he's going to get back into his motorcade and get back into the fiat and go through the streets of new york, something that has been so uplifting and inspiring to so many, to catholics and not. right now he's changing his vestments so he will be clad in white as he gets back into the fiat. our alexandra field is out there with the crowds, waiting for that one moment that they may get a glimpse of the pope. >> reporter: erin, it's really genuinely pretty spectacular. you certainly don't have to be catholic to appreciate it. it's just a crowd of people out here holding their breath waiting for a glimpse of the holy father as he passes through in that fiat.
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we've been out here for hours now with hundreds of people and thousands of people. so many of them waited patiently for so long just to see for a very brief moment pope francis as he rode by in the fiat, making his way to madison square garden. a whole new rush of people have come through now and they are hoping to see him on his way out of here. erin, what has really struck me the most is not just the fact that they are catholics from all over the country or really from across the world who came out here to be out here tonight, but just the sort of ordinary new yorkers who decided to stop and watch, you know, this is a city that is quite used to welcoming world leaders all the time and it's quite common here to see a presidential motorcade that doesn't even really draw the kind of notice that you might expect but there were so many people who really made a point of coming out here tonight, wanting to experience this. and when we saw the pope go by, coming right down seventh avenue, the moment was truly
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electric. the crowd had been so quiet and there was a really gleeful expression as he passed, with the window down and waving to the crowd as he wants to do, erin. >> and you do, you hear the roar. you can tell when he's getting closer. we saw that last night outside st. patrick's and today at central park. delia gallagher, our vatican correspondent, as we wait for the pope to come out, we're going to hear that roar again and you hear the cheering, the joy inside madison square garden. he is a man. he is a human being. how does this not go to his head? >> well, you know, erin, this is the pope's last night in new york and, my goodness, what a sendoff. i was thinking there as cardinal dolan was speaking and the crowd gave him a standing ovation, i thought to myself, well, he doesn't want to be a superstar but he sure is one. >> yeah. >> and i think that it's not going to his head, obviously.
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he's got a deep spirituality and very kind of interior presence and very rooted in prayer and keeps his focus there. but i think he enjoys the fact that people are excited and that people are paying attention and i think that he appreciates that he's got an audience and he certainly is using it to his best effect, of course, trying to get his message out there. more than the man, it's about the message for pope francis. >> monsignor, he does appreciate it. he talks about the things that he thinks matter. you saw that shy smile when he got the standing ovation. he's so rooted in spirituality that it's not something that he perceives to be about him. >> that's the only thing that could keep him grounded and when he was elected, i remember there were conversations about who's campaigning and things like that. none of them wants to be pope. because when you really
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recognize what the office is, what it means is they wouldn't choose to have it. and that's why he ends -- he's ended every moment with, please pray for me. >> yes. he did here with a smile. >> with a smile. it's becoming rather a hallmark of his, to do that, to ask for prayer. >> i think that's something so many people -- that someone can be so humble in the face of such agilation. >> i think every pope handles that differently. pope john paul ii to some extent played off of that. he had a very playful spirit with it. benedict xvi who was a remarkably humble guy, he was always a little bit, you could tell, just a visible register, a little bit uncomfortable. and he did things like putting a crucifix on the altar when he celebrated mass because he wanted to remind people that the focus should be on god, not on him. in francis' case, i think delia
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is right. he wants to use it as a missionary moment, an opportunity to sort of get people moving. if there were two words that have resonated throughout this trip, it's go forth. he's repeated them over and over. okay. we've had a good time here. now get out on the streets and get something done. >> and do something now. >> we are waiting for the pope, as i said, the mass has concluded. he's changing his vestments and we're going to see that motorcade again in the fiat as he heads through the streets of new york lined by thousands and thousands of people. we're going to be right back to see that live.
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full mass so he needs to actually change. >> that's right. he was wearing the vestments, special garments that priests wear when they celebrate. so he had to go back into a space where they take those clothes off and he will put back on then, therefore the normal papal vestments, white and we will see him get into the fiat. been a great week for fiat company. >> yes. >> and they will make their way to the residence where he has been staying here in new york because that's another very early morning for the pope. 8:30 in the morning on the papal plane heading towards philadelphia getting there about 9:30 for it to begin the last two days of what has been an absolutely remarkable trip to the united states and of course, let's not forget at the beginning to cuba. >> that's right. very important part of this.
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delia gallagher, one thing that happened in mass, the pope that revolutionized the church, brought people in who had long ago perhaps given up on the church, the elector tonight a reporter for "cbs sunday morning" hope openly gay. the pope inclusive and doing something frankly more conservative members of the church may not support. that is what this pope is. >> well, absolutely. of course, for the catholic church, you can be gay. that's not necessarily the problem in terms of that issue for them and goes into other aspects of a gay perp is perfectly acceptable as a child of god and so on for catholic teaching. the issues are about marriage and gay relationships and so on.
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none theletheles nonetheless, an aspect of pope francis he wants people to be included and feel included. i think he is pointing to groups of people to the divorced and remarried, to gays, women who had abortions and so on. we've seen before this trip that he has made a concerted effort to reach out to those people and so certainly in his travels, it's clear that he's going to meet them. you heard a little bit of controversy the with the white house invitations that maybe some at the vatican were concerned about that. the concern about inva tapgss or about inviting people who might be contrary to the church, he's probably on his way. the concern is just that they might, there might be someway they use the pope to try and further a cause, which is clearly not what the pope wants. so the pope is again, trying to walk the fine line of holding
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onto the basic teachings of the catholic church but keep the door open, as he's said. >> as delia said, you hear the roar anticipating this parade of suvs will be followed by the fiat and pope. i want to explain the breakup in the signal as the pope comes close, the signals take a hit. i'll be honest because of the jamming signals with security, that's part of the problem. i hope this will come back up. you can hear everybody. you can hear very well the roar. there it is. there is the fiat with the pope. and jason carroll is right now, you see everyone cheering, moving very quickly, jason carroll outside the residence where the pope is heading now to spend the night before he goes to philadelphia and jason, people there also waiting for a glimpse of this pope.
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>> well, erin, there were people as you can imagine here on manhattan's upper eastside, 22nd street. the residence where the pope has been staying since he's been here in new york. the problem is the nypd telling us that as soon as the pope gets close, what they do is put the area under a security freeze. they already in fact have done that and as a result of that, anyone who is here on 72 isn't street is moved a block away on either side. anyone wanting to come to see the pope who doesn't live in the area has to go to 71st street on one side or 73rd street on the other side. once again, so many people have come out in this city who didn't get a chance maybe to see the the pope at st. patrick's or could not get into central park and waited out in the street, waiting on this street, as well, hoping to get a glimpse of the fiat and get one little tiny little shot of the pope as he drives by.
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i just have to tell you after being out here since early this morning, speaking to so many new yorkers, talking about why they decided to come out and hoping to see. so many people were grateful to get a glimpse of him. they said that was enough. that is how much this pope has touched so many people here in this city. erin? >> it is incredible. your heart leaps that moment that you get a glimpse. anderson will be taking over in a moment and anderson, we both now have seen him, right? up close and there is this moment that you feel yourself in the presence of something. >> it is extraordinary. i was there in st. peters square the night he came out on the balcony for the first time, but to be so close to him, we were there outside st. patrick's last night within 100 feet or so, it does take your breath away. you see images of him and maybe seen him from a far but up close, for those people, once in
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a lifetime experience. >> it is and this is something you'll tell your children and grandchildren, and it is. i can say it truly is. a wonderful thing to be part of and i know you're going to and i know you're going to continue our coverage. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. moments ago pope francis left. he is heading back to the vatican diplomatic residence. he travels to philadelphia early in the morning where his weekend will continue a mass for what could be many as 1 million people. his visit ended here, it would already be memorable. today alone, we saw tens of thousands fill new york central park to get their first glimpse of the pontiff as he got the first look in his life at central park. we also watched him do what he seems to love best, sharing moments of his time, as many as he can with children, school kids up in east harlem helped him use their version of the magic wall on top of addressing
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