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so wednesday night, my introduce with donald trump will air right here. i'll sit down with him. make sure you tune in. that sit for us tonight. thank you so much for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow night. ac360 starts right now. given our new lead tonight, you know erin talked to donald trump today. take more, he says, from people like himself and boost the economy. >> we're reducing taxes, but at the same time, if i win, if i become president, we will be able to cut so much money and have a better country. we won't be losing anything, other than we'll be balancing budgets and getting them where they should be.
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so this is a plan that's simple, that's a major reduction, i think people are going to be very happy. we've already had some very good reviews. i did the plan with some of the leading scholars and economists and tax experts that there are in this country. they love it. they say why hasn't this been done before and this is my wheelhouse that's what i do well. the economy is what i do well. whenever they do polls, i always come out better than everybody else on the economy and on leadership, by the way, but i won't say that. >> that's from his news conference today. his plan cuts the number of tax brackets in half to 10, 15% to 25 r 25% at the top. tax would drop, estate tax would vanish and hedge fund earnings would be taxed as regular income. mr. trump says healthy friends will not like that part and says non-masters of the universal will like what they see
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promising half of american households will pay no incomes tax whatsoever. most already don't. that's not the only way in which this plan opened a question. erin burnett as we said had a chance to ask some of those questions and joins us now. thanks for being with us. fascinating interview. a lot of tax cuts for people across the board. how does he pay for it? >> that's the big question, right, and i kept pushing him on that. fundamentally, it seems like the way this will be paid for, we're talking about trillions of dollars in tax cuts, right? this is an incredible amount of money is basically through growth. campaign says we only need the economy to grow at 3% and this will pay for itself. a lot of economists think more. this is a classic conservative plan in that one regard if you cut taxes, people are more productive and pay for itself. that's the fundamental bet. these loopholes are small. if you cut the carried interest loophole for rich hedge funders,
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they won't like that and he's right. and if you cut capital gains rates, they probably will end up with a tax cut overall. so it's really about growth. >> that's something you hear from a lot of politics, particularly republicans and he said to you we have sound that basically the economy will be beautiful under this tax plan. so let's watch. >> i think it will probably be more than before if you look at the economy, the economy will be like a rocket. this is wheelhouse, you'll create jobs and part of this as you and i were discussing, i'm going to bring a lot of jobs back because so many countries have taken our jobs and base and manufacturing. so we're going to couple that with this tax plan and we'll have a country that will rocket again and we haven't had that for a long time. >> the economy will up like a rock. economists had a chance to score this? do they say this might work?
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>> some do. grover norquist is famous for saying any tax hike is a problem has enthusiastically endorsed the plan. he's come out. club for growth which is of a similar vein of thinking said they think it's a secret tax hike but i've talked to some economists that would like a plan like this and one of them described a mess and confusion. it's an overall picture but a lot of meat to be put on the bone. >> donald trump has a lot of money. everyone knows it. he says it all the time. how will this affect the tax plan? let's watch. >> one final question, donald trump's tax plan, will you pay more money? millions and millions, hundreds of millions? >> i will probably pay more money but at the same time the economy will do better i'll make it that way. i believe in the end i'll do better because i really believe the economy is going to boom,
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beautiful. >> is he right? will he pay more? >> his use of the word probably. you'll have to see how americans react. the answer should have been absolutely, i will pay for i can afford to pay more. you heard it there, he's betting on growth. that will be the bet. it will be very hard to pin someone down, john, and say well it won't grow. these are hypotheticals. no one can categorically prove it won't work. >> it was really interesting watching him say he has teams and lawyers and accounts to pay as little. >> that's fair. everybody is entitled to pay as little as you have to. we'll have more on his take on his tone. first let's talk about the tax plan a little more namely the politics of it with trump, campaign co-chairman sam clovis
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amanda carpenter, former xhiexz director ted cruz and our chief national correspondent -- i get tongue tied because he is that good -- john king. >> call me what you will. >> so, sam, in republican politics, offering increases in taxes of any kind can be an asset. trump says he does want to increase some taxes, closing some loopholes, removing some deductions, changing carried interest tax. will republicans respond to this well, do you think? >> well, here is my view on the tax code is that if you take a look at the tax code, it's nine times longer than the bible when none of the good news.ç so any effort to go in there and modify the tax code to streamline the tax code, to cut it down to size and to make it understandable and usable to the american people i think is a noble effort and i'm on board. >> a criticism is he is short on specifics. look, i read this plan, i listened to his propels.
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this isn't that unspecific. this isn't unserious. this isn't hermann cane saying 99. will this help him, donald trump? >> that's an interesting question will it help. we know and we'll talk more about this, donald trump is in a rut dropping in the polls, plateauing at best but donald trump likes this for a number of reasons. number one, talking about donald trump, not ben carson's rise and not talking about carly fiorina's rise and donald trump. number two, the next debate is on cnbc, donald trump did well on the first debate, not so well on the second, heading into the third more of a player and more center stage and more of a driving force in the race and as he said to erin burnett, this is in his wheelhouse. as this gets analyzed, there will be people who say it explodes the deficit. people will say you never get the economic growth you want for it. we'll see how it plays, trump is trying to get back as the driving force. amanda, jeb bush released a tax with plan not that wildly different with than this one but it didn't get with nearly the attention that this is getting, so is this the trump
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effect we're seeing here? >> well, certainly, whatever donald trump has a way of getting more attention than the others but i think the easiest way to think about this plan is that a, it's very much like jeb bush's plan and collapses the brackets from seven to four and has a big healthy dose of populism on top in terms of wiping out taxes for the low income earners, taxing hedge fund managers and punishing companies that go do business in mexico and china. this is a very populous plan that sort of covers up a conventional republican tax agenda and i think it's kind of interesting because it's almost establishment, right? you have outsiders talking about flat tax, fair tax, rand paul putting out a plan that balances the budget and going this very traditional route. >> john, amanda used the p word, she said it's populous. that seems revealing to a broad base of republicans.
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>> that will be the test in iowa where sam is in new hampshire, whether the club for growth that doesn't like donald trump and might like a tax plan like this, suspicious of donald trump and said today does he mean it because in the past he proposed tax increases. there is early analysis that says you can call this populace but sounded like the tax plan would be because while the little guy does well, the big guys do fantastic to borrow a word from mr. trump. that's what trump is going for. if you look at the polling, the base of his support are down scale voters. >> sam, i was listening to the trump announcement today and q and a he started talking about marco rubio and one thing he said that senator rubio of florida, he could never come up with a plan like this.
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he's bashing marco rubio now. why? >> i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that we're in a very large race with a large number of people and i think that we often times see the sharp elbows come out when you have that kind of thing. i've been through a couple races myself so i have some experience with this, but i wanted to get back to a point amanda made. i think that i would disagree that this is really a establishment plan. i like the idea of the populace notion here. in my day job, that title comes professor of economics so i put it through a couple of my simplistic models and looks to me like we'll be able to balance the budget a lot sooner than people think if we have good budget discipline and take a look at the spending we're doing now.
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so a man that disagrees. >> because he's betting on 3% and 6% growth in order to recover revenues, there is going to have to be strict budget discipline. i saw in the press conference donald trump mentions recruiting government spending but we're going to have to get more specific. i would love it if more republican candidates coupled a tax reform plan with a government reform plan because those two things really have to work together in order to keep everything going the way the that it can. if people could go out and campaign and say hey, if you want a tax cut, we need to get rid of the government agency. that would be an honest way of putting the problems to the american people but we're not there yet with donald trump. >> john, the mere fact we're having a debate now between two republicans about donald trump and dynamic growth and deficit reduction as opposed to something he's saying about someone's face, it indicates that trump is doing something different here. >> he's doing something different here. he's a calculating politician and don't mean that as a criticism.
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when he's been bumped and bruised, he's recalibrated and adjusted. if you're establish the republican and don't like donald trump, you're not so opposed to this conversation. if they are having a conversation which taxes to cut, what about spending? about government reform? which agencies would you eliminate? republicans are happy to have donald trump in the middle. they would prefer that than talking about birthright citizen ship or building a wall. so on this issue, donald trump is more main stream in the republican party and the party is welcoming this debate and on others, he makes them cringe. >> thank you so much. john king stick around a bit longer. i want your take on new polls with potentially big implications for donald trump, also, joe biden. and more from erin burnett's conversation with donald trump including how he would handle vladimir putin and speaking of vladimir putin, more on his face-to-face meeting with president obama that just wrapped up after one of the non-toastiest toasts ever caught on camera.
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relieve the ringing with lipo-flavonoid. new polling tonight shows donald trump no longer holds such a commanding lead over his republican rivals. plus, a rare concession from trump on his tendency to answer political swipes with nuclear counter strikes. erin burnett asked him about that. >> people say look, this is a guy that will call someone a loser, he'll say something and they say that's childish and say that's not the temperament of a president. >> probably is a little childish but this is a campaign and usually, and i think you know this better than anybody, i'm responding to them. i'm a counter puncher. i think at every single instance, i've hit for instance, walker was very nice to me and
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hit me and i hit him back. all of these guys, rubio was nice to me. couldn't have been nicer and a week ago -- >> so you're saying you're not going to talk about vladimir putin calling him a loser or something like that. >> i actually say the opposite. i guarantee, i think i would get along very well with him. we were both on "60 minutes" last night, putin and trump. i think i'd have a good relationship with him. we have a horrible relationship with russia now. we have a horrible relationship with china even though he's here now and look, what they are doing to us is amazing. what china is doing is a great theft in the history of the world. they have taken jobs and money and we're wining and dining them in washington. i don't mind that. they have to understand we have to renegotiate. we cannot continue to have u.s. trade deficit with china of almost $400 billion a year. can't do that. that's going to end. if i'm there, it's going to end. i think my temperament is great. i build a great company because of my temperament. jeb bush and hilary, almost in the same day said we don't like
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his tone. i said tone? they are chopping off heads, they are drowning people. we have people in the world that are looking to kill us. we need a strong tone. we don't need that soft, soft group of people. we need something tough. i think i have a great temperament. >> a great temperament. that's what donald trump thinks. what do the voters think? john king is back with a look by the numbers. what does the republican field look like now? >> john, just look, first just the republican numbers off the top. donald trump in the lead but this is a tie essentially of dr. ben carson. that's a new dynamic in the race, trump plateauing, marco rubio and carly fiorina at 11%. between donald trump and carson and carly fiorina, a march joy testify of republican primary voters want somebody that hasn't held office. marco rubio on the way out. these are the people, rand paul, chris christie, huckabee, how much longer are they in the race but three of them say they aren't going anymore but if you're looking for people to drop out, they would be on the list. >> that's what gets interesting, using the nbc wall street journal poll.
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let's bring numbers side by side. donald trump wasn't in the race in june, got in in july. we had him at 30% but they have him at 21%. in the wall street journal poll he's plateaued and he's down a little bit in others. dr. carson, if you're a stock that's the way to go from 11% to 0. marco rubio back to where he was before trump got in the race at 11. carly fiorina, again, if you're a stock, that's the way you want to be going and if you're jeb bush, that is not what you want. you're at one-third where you were just a couple months ago, that is a slide, jeb bush needs to stop. >> all right. so what about the democrats, john? >> another interesting race if we move from the democrats and shift over. this is with joe biden in the race and this is what has a lot of people saying wow, could hillary clinton be in trouble? seven-point lead over sanders.
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sanders has been ahead in iowa and new hampshire but that's as close as we've seen it. that's with joe biden in the race. what is interesting, john, when you take the vice president out, hilary's numbers go up, secretary's clinton's numbers go up. at least on paper there is not a great path for joe biden to get the to the nomination but on paper he takes some obama voters and establishment democrats. biden campaign if you look deep in this poll helps bernie sanders get closer. we'll see what the decision is. >> very interesting, john king stay there. i want to bring in nia mallika henderson and gloria borger. one thing that caught my eye is ben carson does better against democrats than donald trump does. what does that tell you? >> well, it tells you that the
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general electric to general electr general electric electorate, 58% of the general election population has a negative view of trump. and if you look at some other polls we've seen, that includes 85% of democrats, and a majority of independents. now somebody like hillary clinton also has a high negative, 47% but 58% is something that donald trump has to overcome that ben carson does not. so when you were talking to erin about the tone of donald trump and how he seems to be changing a little bit, you know, i think he is smart, he's looking at these negative numbers this unfavorable view and saying i have to do something to fix that if i want to win. >> these numbers are the glass half empty for trump. >> yeah. >> nia, there has been a lot of talk about a slide or plateau for donald trump yet, the polls all still show him on top. i mean, isn't there some good
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news in that? isn't some kind of tightening inevitable? >> sure, if you're donald trump this continues to be good news for you because we had predicted before that it might be the summer of trump and then once people start to tune in, they would go to other candidates. i think those jeb bush numbers, right, if you're jeb bush, you've got to worry about that slide. we saw before with scott walker for instance, he had been ahead in the polls doing really well earlier in this year, particularly in states like iowa and just had a drop and unable to come back up. i think in talking to republicans, they sort of don't know what jeb bush's plan b, plan c, plan d is to say listen, i've got a pile of money and folks will eventually come around but so far, that's certainly not bearing out in these polls. he's at 7% dropping from 21% and now you have donors, also, figuring out maybe jeb bush isn't their guy. maybe somebody like marco rubio and donald trump with 21% and in
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this field, you can win with 21, 25%. he's got to feel good about that, donald trump. >> john, nia brings up jeb bush. let's jump to the issue of jeb bush because when this slide happened to scott walker, it wasn't a slide, it was a depth spiral and as nia says, we're seeing donors now leaking if jeb doesn't do something soon, they will flee. how much trouble is he in? >> he's in a descent amount of trouble but unlike scott walker, he's the republican party's $100 million man. he has more money in the bank. some is in the super pact and that can't payday today bills. there is no question he has the money to weather it now but to the point of the donors, they say jeb, start going back up or you're not going to get much more. >> now, the question is how long does now last? does now go into november and december? that's an open question. gloria, john brought up the point if you add up donald
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trump, ben carson, carly fiorina, it's more than 50% of republican voters right now say they support someone for the nomination that never held a day of public office. never served for a day in public office. couple that with what is going on in congress with john boehner being kicked out or moved out depending how you look at it now there is a real outsider movement inside the republican party. >> right. there is an outsider movement in the democratic party, too. bernie sanders is viewed as an outsider compared to hillary clinton. the whole politics doesn't work this time around. if you're jeb looking at it, you're saying it's a problem and can i just make one more point about jeb because i do believe that you never say never in politics and he is at 7% now and he has gone down from 22% in june, but all of us were around when john mccain in december of 2007 was at 7%. rudy julian knee was the
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favorite. a lot to go yet in this race, although, i would say if your last name is bush, it's kind of tough at this point but what they are saying is this is a march than, they are in it for the long haul and putting a lot of money into the early states, particularly new hampshire. it's been done before, not easy but not over. >> well, jeb has money. >> he sure does. >> i'm old enough to remember when donald trump used to beat up on jeb bush, now he's beating up on senator marco rubio. does that tell us the biggest threat? >> yeah, he called him a kid and zeros in on vulnerability and makes him strike back and we'll see in the next debate these
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candidates are looking at this next debate to see if they will make it. i talked to republican just a little while ago and he said they might cut this off at seven candidates and with that, you'd have people like christie probably not in this debate. we'll have to see. >> the next debate is right here on cnn, democratic debate october 13th. do not miss that. great to have you-all with us. >> thanks, guys. carly fiorina digging in defending remarks about planned parenthood in the face of non-partisan fact checkers that say video images she described seeing don't exist. i'll speak to the deputy campaign manager. the new revolution about mars that has people excited. it boosts the odds of life on the red planet but by how much and why?
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uncovered video in question. on "meet the press" she questioned it. >> are you willing to concede you exaggerated that? >> not at all. that scene absolutely does exist and the voice saying what i said to keep them alive to harvest expressed as well. >> you saw that on the tape. you saw that moment on the tape? >> yes, i would challenge planned parenthood, here is the deal, yesterday i was protested by planned parenthood people throwing condoms at me. i don't know what that has to do
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with this. they are trying ocho distract the american people that planned parenthood is aborting fetuses live to harvest their brains and other body parts that a fact. >> she is digging in and today weighed in on another controversial topic. to endorse the practice of waterboarding. joining me now, sarah flores, carly fiorina's deputy campaign manager. it's not just nbc or meet the press, nonpartisan fact checkers, fox news, which is hardly an enemy of many republicans have pointed out that carly fiorina is misrepresenting the videos, the clips she continues to reference doesn't show what she says it shows. wouldn't it be better to admit that she is getting it wrong about this clip? >> she's not getting it wrong. it's at the 5:56 mark. chuck todd never showed the video. "the washington post" recently said carly wasn't a secretary, either. >> let's leave that aside for a
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second. >> my point is the non-partisan fact checkers aren't as non-partisan as you pretend. >> fox news i don't think is anti republican. the clip shows someone describing the scene. you hear someone describing the scene and see file video that doesn't show what carly fiorina says it shows. >> to be clear, planned parenthood has gone out and said there is no such video showing an aborted fetus kicking on the table. they say there is a stillborn. that is not true. the left continues to repeat it including non-partisan pact checkers not checking facts. that is an aborted fetus kept alive in the metal try to die in the metal trey while kicking for life at minute 5:56 and you should show the video to say it's widely discredited. that's not true. also, planned parenthood is not saying this isn't happening. they are not saying that they are not aborting babies alive to
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harvest organs. they are not saying that. they are trying to quibble over a video and it is true someone is describes how she was told to harvest it's brain. that's what is going on. >> the video doesn't show what the person is describing and relitigating this point probably isn't fruitful because the bottom line is carly fiorina is not going to back down on this, let's be clear. >> no. >> and she can't just take on planned parenthood without talking about this video. >> absolutely. we're happy to take on planned parenthood every day of the week. these are the people this weekend carly was visiting a pregnancy center and tweeted out ugg, carly visits pregnancy center. that's disgusting. they can't acre knowledge these people are doing good things. >> so the new nbc news wall street journal poll that came out today shows 60% of americans oppose taking away all of planned parenthood's federal
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funding and i know carly fiorina supports taking away that federal funding. she would support a government shut down to do so? >> we need to removed planned parenthood funding and republicans need to stand. we should not have abortions after 20 weeks, late-term abortions and speaking of fact checkers, when hillary clinton was asked about that, she said the the only late-term abortions are out of medical necessity. that is provably false, no fact checks available. >> i want to talk about water born. a vocal supporter of john mccain in 2008, she says water boarding is torture and says it doesn't work and adds to that saying it compromises american authority around the world and carly fiorina says she has no problem with it to go after sustained -- suspected terrorists. >> she was the chairman of the board in the central, the nsa, and after 9/11, michael hayden called her for help, president
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bush talked to her, as well. in that interview, she's discussing that we need to protect our national security and at the time, that was a way to do it. >> all right. sarah, i appreciate you coming on and appreciate your insight. hopefully we'll talk again soon. >> thank you. today's high-stakes meeting at the united nations. president obama and vladimir putin sit down face-to-face for the first time, first official meeting in two years. were they able to put aside tensions and find common ground?
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leaders are well-known. all this buildup to a face-to-face meeting they had this afternoon. their first official sit down in more than two years. chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins us with the latest and this was a rare meeting for these two gentlemen. what came from it? >> first formal meeting in two years. it was 90 minutes long and spent the first half talking about ukraine and the second half syria. on ukraine, the president and white house and pressing some possible progress there on instituting the so-called peace accords and fighting there but on syria, the white house saying that putin and obama have a fundamental disagreement. you heard that in the speeches with president obama describing him as a tyrant who killed tens of thousands of his own people and putin calling him a bull walk against terrorism where they did have some agreement is they both believe there is the possibility of a political solution there.
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how they get there is another story and white house expressing some level of comfort as long as those operations are against isis, which is not clear yet. really expectations for this meeting, john, were not grand and didn't expect some grand solution but are talking and they at least have an end goal in mind, which is a political solution to the fighting in syria. >> interesting because the meeting came after their dueling speeches at the u.n. which were unusually blunt and pointed about each other. >> no question. i mean, first of all on bashar al-assad and taking shots at each other without naming put president obama clearly talking about russia when he talks about countries that imprison their own and that blame the outside world for revolutions and ngos even on their land that coming from president obama and then president putin taking a shot at
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the u.s. plans to train syrian rebels saying half the weapons end up in the hands of al qaeda fighters, which is true. they were taking those shots, so didn't seem the best diplomatic setup for a sit down on an issue as crucial as syria. can they find some common ground. >> must have been 90 prickly minutes. i want to dig deeper on the top picks in the meeting and the stakes. joining me fareed zakaria and mike rogers, former u.s. congressman who served as chair of the house intelligence committee. so , the body language, it was a joyful clink or not? we've gone so far beyond that. russians and this meeting between the two leaders is way more significant than body language. >> way more significant and i
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think we reduced foreign policy sometimes to psycho therapy where we think it's about the relationship. obviously, there is a personal element but they had very conflicting views off the situation of their interest in the situation in the middle east with regard to ukraine and there has to be some clarity brought to that. how can you find some area of common agreement and interest. that is probably where there were serious business of the meeting was. >> and mike, you know, they couldn't even agree on who asked for the meeting, john earnest said that the russians, vladimir putin was desperate to meet. is that part of the problem here? >> i mean almost soft mark that the white house would gauge about what wanted the meeting or didn't candidly. this is a serious problem.
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russia has been very, very clear from the beginning what they want in syria when we had lots of leverage there, at least more than we do today. they wanted the warm import, they wanted the syrian president to stay, and they wanted to continue to secure those deals, especially on the aircraft stuff. this is exactly what they worked for. i would argue this is the first order problem from the iran deal, russia believed after that deal that they had this relationship with iran and they already had a relationship in syria that they could leverage with iraq. that's what they did. that body language, that's saying we're large in charge and by the way, we're putting a coalition together and united states we'd like you to join us in how you defeat isis. that's to me the biggest turn of what happened today. >> fareed, it's interesting, you heard mike rogers layout what he thinks vladimir putin wants in syria and the region. is one problem is that it's not clear what the white house exactly wants inside syria? >> that's always been the problem.
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we have moral clarity on syria but strategic incoherence. we're against the bad guys, don't get me wrong. we're against assad who is a bad guy, isis, al qaeda, all the affiliates, against iran militia and hasballah. who are we for? are we in favor of? >> we have hope there is moderate syrian force there. what putin's strategy is is basically to say i have an ally and that's assad and enemy and islamic terror groups and that's basically the same view iranians have. they all have the same enemy and ally. they are saying let's band together. we can ring our hands but we have an incoherent position. we're against everybody in syria and frankly, the ad va kits of intervention have to explain who are we for? we're going to go into a country
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with significant military force. what are we going to do? we'll fight for the 50 odd moderate syrians we've been able to find. >> literally 50. literally 50. so mike, donald trump today told our erin burnett, said, assad to me looks better than the other side. he's talking about isis. if that is, in fact, the case, many vladimir putin is willing to fight isis in syria, can the united states get something out of this? >> i agree with fareed. the first question you get back when you ask is hey, what is the united states' policy? are you doing? who are we for and against? listen, trump is tapped into one thing. it is probably likely that if you want a diminished end, you have to sit down with them. evidence of flowing water found on mars. is life far behind? i'll speak with miles o'bryan
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a big announcement from nasa is music to the ears from those who dream of life. nasa researchers confirmed there is evidence of flowing water on the surface of mars. this isn't the first time water has been discovered on mars, but, this new research suggests it is more habitable than previously thought. joining me with more on what this means, cnn aviation analyst and bona fide space geek and i mean, that miles o'bryan. miles, we talk about flowing, evidence of flowing water, what's the significance there? >> when you look for water on earth and you find it in its liquid form, you almost invariable find living things, toxic waste dumps and places in the ocean that never see the light of day. water is a prerequisite for life. if you can find flowing water, that gets you close to life. >> is the this like the hudson on mars? >> this is water you would never
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want to drink. think about mars for a minute. cold place. the band width for liquid water is narrow, normally, and that's why scientists first started seeing streaks down the cliffs in 2010 they were like what could that possibly be? they analyzed it using a tool and inside it was salt, brine, so salty it doesn't freeze up in cold and harsh temperatures on mars. the real question, is it so salty it cannot support life. a lot of scientists believe that could be the case. >> what does nasa do next? how do they analyze that? >> it's not an easy mission when you talk about water dripping down a cliff on mars, how do you build a mission to find that and get to it? there will be a lot of people thinking about and it makes them
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think where did the water come from? is there an aqua beneath or strange humidity situation on dry mars. it's possible. there are missions that there are coming down the pike that will start to get beneath the surface in mars and you can bet they will rethink the architecture of future missions with this in mind. the water beneath the surface is fresher and thus, probably more likely home to tie moe kroebs. tiny martian microbes. >> the rover program. >> a great building block program of high-tech rods looking for water. water is the path toward life as we know it and step by step we're presumably getting closer. i'm just waiting for the day. >> in boston, i'd like to say i love that dirty water. thanks so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> coming up, the woman that admitted to helping two inmates escape an upstate new york
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let's get the latest on other stories we're following. >> former prison worker who helped two convicted murders break out of a new york prison in june has been sentenced to seven years behind bars. joyce mitchell admitted to bringing in tools including hacksaw blades and planned to pick up the escapees but didn't go through with that part of the plan. on the plane back to rome after his trip to the united states, pope francis says the warmette he encountered was beautiful. he said new york was exuberant. and a massive sinkhole opened up near a camping area in queensland, australia. no one was injured, amazingly,
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but the 300-foot wide, 10-foot deep sinkhole swallowed several vehicles and tents. incredible. >> that does it for us. our coverage continues from cnn in atlanta. this is "cnn newsroom" live from los angeles. >> eye to eye, but as far apart as ever. the u.s. and russian presidents meet for the first time in years amid rising tensions over syria, i isis and eastern europe. do the numbers add up? >> plus, water flowing water on mars and with that, the possibility grows that we are not alone. hello, everybody. great to have you with us. we would like to welcome our viewers in the united states and all around the world. >> "newsroom" l.a. starts right now.