the former president of old navy will take over as ceo. and check this out. marine biologyists found a glowing sea turtle in the solomon islands in the south pacific. the first discovery of a buy biofluorescent reptile. >> thank you for joining us. erin burnett "outfront" has more. tonight, president bill clinton and hillary on her track record as secretary of state. >> i think she looks great. she did a great job. >> and what the former president thinks about the attacks on his wife. >> you can't think and should not be able to insult your way to the white house. >> plus clinton and a long-time friend talk about living forever. >> you couldn't pick a better subject that we want to live a long time. >> that is all ahead on a very special edition of "outfront."

>> and good evening, welcome to this special edition of erin burnett "outfront." this is the organization dedicated to solving global problems. it's ten years old, so what is next for cgi and president clinton as wife runs for the white house. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome president bill clinton. >> this is all coming of course on the heart of the 2016 election. we are right in it right now. so let me just ask you, because i know the other day you said it was possible that donald trump could win the nomination. which republican do you think will win the nomination? >> let me first of all say -- this is my life now. i have -- i last ran for office

-- >> this is your way of saying you don't want to be vp? >> yeah, i also think it violates the spirit of the 22nd memoamendmen amendment. even if hillary did not run for president, and someone else was nominated i still should not be vice president because i think it violates the spirit of the second amendment which clearly limits a person to two terms. and you don't want the person who is first in line to the presidency to be able to serve. because consider what that would mean here. means let's say if the democrats end up winning the white house then the first person in line really to be president would be the republican speaker of the house which would undermine the intent of the election. it's a nice thing to talk about but it's not going to happen and it should not. >> the reason i said that is i honestly don't know. and i don't think they know yet.

because if you look at it -- i didn't see mr. trump's interview with you but i read about it. but they're basically stalking around, trying to prove they're bona fide, who hates the democrats the most. and who can blame president obama the most. somebody caught a cold in bali, i told you we have no leadership. and that kind of stuff. two of them have dropped out. but we still have not had any really serious discussions. we have been through five hours of debate tonight and foolishly enough, i watched eight ait all. but we had discussions about, well, what if you were there what would you do about this? i said i don't know, i thought he had a chance to win.

i do. one thing you have to be able to do is stand out, brand yourself and be identified. but at some point you also have to say what are you going to do? you can't just spend all of your time saying that everything everybody did was wrong and they're all dufuses -- >> so can i -- on the dufus issue, donald trump called marco rubio a clown. he called his campaign a freak show. and it goes on and on. what do you make of a race where these are the kinds of words that are being bandied about and discussed? >> well, i think they believe that authenticity is created by making your campaign look as much like a reality tv show as possible. i really do. and so they think that real voters have a limited band width for policy.

they think that everybody they're talking to would never even consider voting for a democrat because they have had them hooked up to siloed news coverage so they get limited alternative views. it's a little problem on our side, too, they think it's very hard to create space for an honest debate. so i think you know it's just the reflection. and you see this in a lot of other countries, too, where -- but you can't -- you should not be able to insult your way to the white house. or use enough politically correct phrases to get your way to the white house. on either side we live in a challenging time. and i personally think the main jobs are to restore broad-base prosperity instead of narrow prosperity, now that we're growing the economy.

and specifically, for getting families raised and women back in the work world we fell from first in the world to 20th. we have to create more jobs for young people. these are serious things but i have a lot of sympathy about people who sit in your chair moderating these presidential debates because you don't want to deny anybody a chance to be heard and seen on the republican side. and we have had two withdrawals and there will be more in the coming weeks. and i think as the field winnows down i hope it will get more serious. because the american people deserve some sense of what the heck you're going to do if you actually get the job. because the day after you take the oath of office, you can't level an insult or have -- you're not in an episode of "survivor," you actually have to show up and run the show. >> so you say you can't insult your way to the white house.

i have to play this, something he said about your wife. i have to play it and get your reaction. >> i always respect him, when we look at what is going on in the world, when we look at the job that hillary did as secretary of state she goes down as perhaps the worst secretary of state in history and when i'm running against her in the polls i'm doing very well against her and beating her. erin, when you look at her during her reign as secretary of state, the whole world is blowing up. we've lost our friendships, we've lost everything. >> the thing about branding it, you don't -- you can be fact-free. and i think -- so -- even the republicans admit that the sanctions on iran were well done. and that it was a major

achievement to get russia and china to agree to sign off on these sanctions and to enforce them. she did that. that is what made the talks possible. so even people that don't like the iran deal like the sanctions. second thing she did is to negotiate with her team at the state department. the only thing that survived in the russian reset. the new start treaty. in a world with all of these tensions which you have already noted between the u.s. and russian, having these two sides still committed to reducing the number of nuclear war heads and missiles i think is a good thing. that is two. something i work on around the world. president bush's program was saving 1.7 million lives with aids medicine when she took office. when she left, $5.1 million. she tripled it without spending one more dollar of tax money. simply by going to the kind of medicines we routinely buy.

those 3.4 million people live in countries that kind of like america. so when she left, these are all facts so they're not common to the diatribe. so when she left office the average approval rating of the united states was more than 20 points higher than it was when she came into office. i don't think that is nothing. and i could give you eight other for examples. so i would be happy to have this debate. there will be somebody on the other side of the debate. if he becomes the nominee he will have to sort of hone his criticisms a little more finally because the facts will be easy to marshal. but you know, he is good at this, that is what he does. and the people that he is telling it to now, basically have only heard that story. so they believe it. and it's probably good politics for him. let me just tell you this.

he asked her to come to his wedding when he found out we were going to be in florida. and i don't know how many times he told me what a wonderful job she did for new york as a senator, after 9/11. >> you are now infamously, depending on how you viewed it, you attended the wedding. >> we did, and it was perfectly nice, i'm glad we did. but he also told me on more than one occasion what a did job he did in the senate for new york after 9/11. so this is just -- heck, it's a crazy season. they have to winnow the field, winnow the issues and get it to a number of people that the voters can really you know effectively compare. and then we'll see what happens. >> voters are frequently asked about the first word they think of when they think of her, the quinnipiac poll. the top three words were liar, dishonest, and untrustworthy.

why is that? >> oh, come on, erin. i have answered these questions for three days and i'm not here to practice politics. if i were sitting in your chair and you were sitting here and you wanted to run for office and i had had four or five months to make sure nothing but the opposition's negative claims on you were run and i presume your guilt with every question and i beat up on you, do you think i could run your numbers down? look, i trust the american people, they are innately fair, but they have to have more disclosure. she wants her e-mails released. the state department and the intelligence agencies are arguing about whether any of them should be retroactively classified. that will play out however it does. but she is the only secretary of state in history that ever said

just release them all. all of my work-related e-mails. and so far as i have said you get the record out i think she looks great. i think she did a great job. and i think she has been doing a good job answering these questions now. i saw a poll today just in the newspapers, you see the polls, that she was going well up again among people who don't get siloed news coverage, that is among the democrats open to voting for a democrat. so i'm just not worried about this. she has to run the campaign. answer the questions and get back to the big issues of the election. what should the american president do to keep big bad things from happening and make more good things happening in the world? what should the president do to have broad based prosperity and to help at succeeding their kids, helping them get work. and that is what i think it will be about. and i have been there. i've been through this whole

deal. and so -- i just -- i'm not worried about it. >> one final question, she was asked the other day about your marriage. and here is what she said. i was terrified about losing my identity and getting lost in the wake of bill's force of nature personality. i actually turned around twice when he asked me to marry him. >> that is true. >> just making sure the facts are accurate here. but the question is, what force will you be? you're out here, you just gave the most succinct and clear defense of her tenure as secretary of state that i have hear heard. >> first of all, it is true that i have done markedly less to this point than i did eight years ago when she ran. eight years ago i did a lot by now of what i have only done two

things. i did some of the fundraising events so she would be free to come out and campaign. but i couldn't do more because this year we had foundation trips to africa and still one to finish to latin america. and it's the 20th anniversary of a lot of things that i was involved in. a normalization of relations with vietnam. the peace conference, the peace in bosnia. the irish cease-fire that began the irish peace process. the hand-over of land to the palestinians that they still govern on today. so my foundation life was full. and so now that -- when this is behind us i'll be able to do some more of that. but it's not to raise my profile. it gives me a chance to go talk to her supporters and tell them

what i think they should know and answer their questions. and frees her up to campaign more. i have no idea what else i'll do. i -- you know, i'll do what i'm asked to do within the limit. but she was great about this. she said in the beginning, you got to take care of the foundation first. it's your life. you built it over 15 years. and whatever you can do, you can do, i'll be grateful. and we sat down and mapped out the chart. and i said i'll do the best i can. next, much more with president clinton and why he thinks president obama needs putin to beat isis. >> i still think it's possible to maybe reach an agreement with them. plus later, president clinton joined by his long-time friend, a world renowned scientist responsible for this discovery. >> so you're the maximum

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and we are back now with former president bill clinton with the global initiative in new york. obviously, cgi is this week, the u.n. is this week, the pope was just here. pretty overwhelming. >> he had a great visit. he did a wonderful job i thought in washington, new york, and philadelphia. it was a great thing for catholics throughout the world and especially in america. but also i liked it because i went to georgetown, which is the oldest jesuit university in america. and he is the oldest jesuit

pope. i liked it because it was inclusive. it was communityarian. but you could still identify with his call to not forget the that were the most unfortunate among us, and the fact we had to find a way to go forward together. it was very moving to me. >> it truly was, russian president vladimir putin, and president obama, they met at u.n. they're deciding what happens with isis and syria. when they met, they both gave dueling speeches of one another. the confrontation was icy. how worried are you about how bad their relationship is? >> well, only a little bit about that. what i'm worried about is that putin essentially changed the

direction of russian foreign policy in general. and decided to go all in on defining russian greatness in the 21st century in terms of their ability to control their neighbors and to have an influence in the middle east, at least. that depends upon at least to this point, they're increasing their influence at the expense of the united states and europe. and that ignores what i think should be the priority, which is using their influence vis-a-vis europe, to build a cooperative relationship. if they thought of ukraine as a bridge between europe and russia everybody would win. if they thought of how we could all help to stabilize the middle east everybody would win.

but -- and that is the real problem. but i still think it's possible to maybe reach an agreement with him. see, he wants president assad to stay in power because that keeps russia's position in the middle east stronger. >> why is that a bad idea, though? there are so many -- >> a lot of people believe that if you look at his father's success there was a lot of violence in the beginning and then he developed this sort of inclusive authoritarianism. and then there were more women in the region, in government. there was a place for all the various minority religions and sects there, but it seems clear that the syrian people would like a more representative government. but -- here is the deal.

the number one priority now is to get ahold of this isol threat. because they say that they want to redraw all the national boundaries of the middle east that were drawn after world war i. what i think that the president and president putin are trying to do is see if they can have a timeout without either one of them giving their convictions and their position away so that we can join forces in fighting this curse. i think now nobody else had an interest in isol breaking every cookie jar in the whole region and continuing to kill all of these innocent people. so i think they're trying to figure out a way to work together without acknowledging any change in their long-term position on the future of the assad government. that is what i think is going

on. and i think that you know, for all we know they made more agreements than they let on. >> all right, well, thank you very much. president clinton. thank you. >> thank you. and when we return, we're going to be joined by a man renowned for his contributions in well, maybe making us live a whole lot longer, craig ventor, we'll be right back. look like this. feel like this. look like this. feel like this. with dreamwalk insoles, turn shoes that can be a pain into comfortable ones. their soft cushioning support means you can look like this. and feel like this. dreamwalk.

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>> welcome back to a special edition of erin burnett "outfront." president clinton is with me, and also, marine biologyist, dr. craig ventor, who celebrated the first completion of the entire human geno, the president called

it the wormost wondrous map eve performed. and the president called it extending our lives to have better and longer lives. thank you for joining us. and you used those words, wondrous, but this is a man you have known for a very long time. >> yes, i have known and been fascinated by him for more than 30 years. >> and let me just go straight to you with the question. we have a man sitting here, watching him, big fans of him. they want him to live a very long time. he is still a very young ex-president. but will you be able to do that? extend how long people can live? >> you couldn't pick a better subject that we want to live a long time. i think he is the most important historic figure that is alive today and we would like to keep him around as long as we can. he had good preventive medicine.

he had good cardiac bypass, look how much slimmer he is right now than he was in the white house. >> yeah, i'm less chunky than i was when i'm in the white house. >> i haven't picked up your diet. but i want to. preventive medicine, is what we discussed. this next ten years will be the most exciting in the history of biology and medicine. because what we did ten years ago that cost my team $100 million for that first map, today, we can make it for roughly $150,000. that is a big change, his genome is obviously unique, but all of ours are. it's this this 3% difference. we got an honorary degree together a few years ago. he was the speaker. he said he learned from me that he was 4% neanderthal, and it

explained all the problems that he had in the white house. >> it is true, you know. every human on earth -- whose ancestors did not come 100% from the subsaharan in africa, had the 100% neanderthal genome, when i told hillary she was not surprised. i was joking with them, i found out a factoid that they didn't find out, they were surprised they were found to be neanderthal -- >> in fact, they were part of your success in the white house. >> they were bigger and stronger than we were. >> so would you want to know. say when you get there and you can sequence the gene and all of a sudden you know all sorts of things, personality traits, you

know whether you will get alzheimer's. you know things like that. i guess the question is, would you want to know? >> knowledge is power. and i can give you a very personal example. being the first one in history to have his genome sequenced, mine has been examined quite extensively. and i found out early on i had had a 90% more probability of melanoma, being in the sun, i'm probably in the high percent. ten years ago i had had a small melanoma removed. and that was it. had i not re moved it for six months we may not have had this conversation today. so knowledge about yourself and knowledge of what is unique to you gives us potentially the power. >> so many things we can do. president clinton, you know, we

were talking about the pope earlier. when he was here in congress he talked about the golden rule, one thing he says is the golden rule reminds of our responsibility to protect human development. the genome project has allowed us to learn about such things as down syndrome. and now, people can find out these issues early on, before they have the baby and they can abort the baby. what do you think about that? >> well, first of all i have met a lot of young children and not so young children with down syndrome. and they are loving and loveable. life enriching people, mostly. the ones i have met i have been enchanted by. but it's a decision i think that every family has to make.

it's a -- and a harder one, i think than one of the things that has been thrown in high relief by this recent debate, and i see it in the republican presidential primary, is when i met three pro-life women, they decided to terminate their pregnancies early because they had severely hydrocephalic children, and they were told that the children would die in child birth or immediately after and if they didn't terminate the pregnancy by shrinking the size of the head they may give up the opportunity to have future children. now, these are the kind of questions as we learn more we may confront more. and i think, i hope that there will be some way to avoid that choice. so you could argue, and these

women all decided, one was a roman catholic. one was an orthodox jew, one was a christian evangelical. they all decided that the pro-life decision was to preserve their ability to have children that had a reasonable chance to live. so that is one of the reasons that we have created a space in our law to let women and their families and their doctors make this decision. i don't -- these are difficult decisions -- >> you are talking about down syndrome baby, you don't want to draw the line there because where do you draw the line? >> 20 years later we may make different decisions because we have practically different decisions we can choose from. and that is one reason we need the invest and push the

frontiers, learning, i agree with craig. knowledge is power. it's scary, but you know, i think one of the things that will happen with this human genome is that we will be able to develop much more specific and granular knowledge about what diets are necessary to lengthen our lives and preserve our health. particularly against heart attack and stroke. as well as certain kinds of cancers. >> also alzheimer's. >> yes. >> next, what is ahead for president clinton. >> anybody who knows me knows that i -- that i am subject to material excitement. just like eddie, the first step to reaching your retirement goals is to visualize them. then, let the principal help you get there. join us as we celebrate eddie's retirement, and start planning your own.

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and back to president bill clinton here at the clinton global initiative. we talked about the difficult choice of abortion, which there will be a lot more choices as people get more information.

but there are also people in china, this year, when they were able to mess with the gene. you know, as this goes ahead and you're thinking on the moral frontiers, right, you may be able to say not just do i want a baby with blue or green eyes but i want somebody with this personality trait or i want them to be that way. that power could be in our hands, right? >> it is in our hands today except we don't know the genetics around personality trait. >> it's kind of terrifying, though, isn't it? >> i find it very exciting, depending on how you use the information. you can actually select a cell, we can do the genome sequence on a cell, and you can find the cell lacking for a terrible disease that will kill the child in the first ten years of life. so just by knowing the code you

can make the decision about whether to have an abortion or not. it's inevitable we'll go in this direction. i'm hoping we'll wait until we get more knowledge and wisdom to do it a little bit more intelligently. >> let's look at something i think will happen a little sooner. you have a lot of -- because of the practice now of studying people with cancer and trying to stop people from dying premat e prematurely even if the cancer is rapidly growing, by analyzing the genome, the tumor, we know that we have 10,000 cancer cells that the body destroys. but there are a lot of researchers who believe we should basically be able to kill all of these tumors the way our body disposes of all the others by in essence attacking them with killer cells.

so on balance this stuff is going to be way good for us. at the margins there will be continuing moral ethical, practical questions to be resolved. and the -- matching your inner landscape to your outer reality will be a different kettle of fish 20 years from now than it is today. but that has always been part of the burden and joy of being human, trying to decide what is the right thing to do, in complicated circumstances. but we should not make the agreement on -- i agree with craig. this is going to be way good. i mean, it's going to be really, really good. >> in fact, if you have cancer, there is nothing more important than you can know, knowing the good genetic code, only about 2 or 3 cancer patients in the u.s.

have this knowledge right now. >> so you have tenure, you're talking about the sequence in the vaccines. i was in africa with you once when you were doing some health projects. but i know obviously you want your wife to win. she says you're respecting what you're doing. the cgi is your passion. is it going to keep being your passion? what are you personally most excited about? >> well, anybody who knows me knows that i have -- i am subject to cereal excitement -- >> that is genetically predictable. >> i'm about to go to latin america. and i'm excited by the fact that when i started this work there was a huge amount of interest

and crying need in africa, particularly on the health care front. there still is. but africa has got one of the fastest growing economies in the world. you know, we're literally going to be in a position to work ourselves out of a job in a lot of parts of africa in the next few years. meanwhile, parts of latin which used to be one of the least equitiable sections in the world, trying to share a more broad quality of life, so i'm going to start in a trip to central and south america where we're essentially trying to do two things. we're trying to help countries become as energy independent as possible in a way that maximizes their climate change impact. and we're going to begin in

panama, where the man sitting behind you has built the maximum energy empire where it will make it one of the cleanest cities on earth. so we're going to do that. and our other major prospect there is called the enterprise project in which carlos slim is a partner. we're going to distribute income to women who have never earned an income in their life, to these remote andean villages. mexico's oil prices are down, brazil is having the trouble it's having. but in the long run, just like latin america, africa is a great bet. ten years from now you won't recognize either one in a good way. >> well, thank you both so much. >> thank you. >> and when we return, actor/activist edward norton will be with us.

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welcome back. i'm joined by edward norton, an academy nominee, a social activist and the co-founder of crowd rise. craig venture is also here credited with sequencing the first draft of the human genome, might help us live forever and the parker foundation has its mission to progressively pursue large scale change. thanks very much to all of you. the university of michigan did a study a few years ago on what the web is doing to young people and the concept of social networking. they found college students are 40% lower than empathy in their

counterparts a couple decades ago because you can live your world online and you're not dealing with actual human beings, you're not meeting their eyes, you're not touching them and it takes away from your connection. do you think there's anything to that? >> i think the expectation that one would have in talking to me since i've been involved in so many social media projects before there was the term social media, that i look at this entirely positive. i don't think any technology is entirely positive or negative in their impact. the end result is the platforms are maybe too good at consuming your time and making you feel slightly connected to a lot of people but not very intimately connected to anyone. the trouble is that culture hasn't yet developed the immune system, that immune reaction that we have culturally hasn't yet caught up to these

platforms. i think eventually and you see it with younger kids that are growing up with these immediateiums, i think they're beginning to self-regularte a little bit more. i'm not sure if it's good for my ownership in facebook but it's good for society. >> our parents' generation was worried about the same effect o were afraid of a generation of zombie-like children sitting in front of the television box, which i guess did happen. people raise the flag of concern every time there's a new form of social absorption or something like that. and it's legitimate. it's people who -- people who, you know, ten years ago wanted to write off the whole idea of social networking or something like facebook as white noise, a

waste of time, you know, all these kinds of things. that would have been really premature because the speed with which the social networking space has matured and involved, crowd rise wouldn't exist if facebook didn't exist, linked-in wouldn't exist. >> when you look at crowd rise, what are some of the interesting things that you're raising money for. >> one of the causes -- by causes i mean their platform that they had is that people, you know, you see american corporations and american foundations making a lot of effort to select causes and then get people to engage with it and one of the things we say to the companies we work with is people don't need a lot of coaching on finding a cause to be passionate

about. most people have something that has touched them in one way or another. most people have two or three things they're actually fairly passionate about. they don't really need identification of what to care about. they need mechanisms to act throu through. i think that's one of the really gratifying things that we see is that people in the united states and all over the world are actually very passionate and they're looking for -- they're looking for easier and more effective ways to engage within it. >> thanks very much to all of you. ed norton, craig venture and sean parker. to all of you, you can see more on this panel on my show on cnn international this weekend.

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more to come tonight from bill clinton. plus donald trump speaking his mind tonight. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump tangle with bill o'reilly on fox news. donald trump calling marco rubio a clown. guess who gets the last word? >> it's the clown stuff that's not fine. you can understand that. >> but he hit me very viciously. >> plus bill clinton says this about the trump brand. >> the thing about branding is you don't have to be -- you could be fact free. >> also the rise of dr. ben carson. is his campaign about to